Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[GoodForAnother]

Tucson is ok. Tempe is awesome. Salt lake is awesome. Would be a great haul from a destination perspective.

[Shooter Jones]

Just go after Utah, BYU, Ariz, Ariz State, Colorado, Colorado State and lock up the whole Mountain time zone with each having an in-conference rival.

[Panjandrum]

I find it hilarious that when discussing the Arizona schools some of you keep mentioning New Mexico, Colorado State, and BYU but not talking about Utah. You guys forgetting about Utah?

No, I haven't forgotten about Utah.

My take is that Utah, specifically, may want to be aligned with the Pac-12 for academic prestige and a sense of loyalty for promoting them to P5.  Also, they've competed fairly well in the conference thus far, and you're more likely to have recruits come to Utah from the West Coast as opposed to Texas.

They're used to not having a lot of scratch, so they're doing just fine.  I don't see a lot of incentive for them to move again.

[kslim]

I find it hilarious that when discussing the Arizona schools some of you keep mentioning New Mexico, Colorado State, and BYU but not talking about Utah. You guys forgetting about Utah?

No, I haven't forgotten about Utah.

My take is that Utah, specifically, may want to be aligned with the Pac-12 for academic prestige and a sense of loyalty for promoting them to P5.  Also, they've competed fairly well in the conference thus far, and you're more likely to have recruits come to Utah from the West Coast as opposed to Texas.

They're used to not having a lot of scratch, so they're doing just fine.  I don't see a lot of incentive for them to move again.

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so rough ridin' sick of hearing that crap.

[MakeItRain]

I find it hilarious that when discussing the Arizona schools some of you keep mentioning New Mexico, Colorado State, and BYU but not talking about Utah. You guys forgetting about Utah?

No, I haven't forgotten about Utah.

My take is that Utah, specifically, may want to be aligned with the Pac-12 for academic prestige and a sense of loyalty for promoting them to P5.  Also, they've competed fairly well in the conference thus far, and you're more likely to have recruits come to Utah from the West Coast as opposed to Texas.

They're used to not having a lot of scratch, so they're doing just fine.  I don't see a lot of incentive for them to move again.

  have you been paying attention to this stuff?

[kim carnes]

Stop talking about teams leaving the pac12 for the big12.  that is never going to happen.

[sonofdaxjones]

Stop talking about teams leaving the pac12 for the big12.  that is never going to happen.

Yeah, when the P12 is distributing $25-$27 million per school off their Tier I-III network, CCG and all other things included.   While the B12, SEC and BiG are distributing $35 million plus, and the B12 schools have all their own Tier III rights earning from $4.5 million to $15 million on top of that.   Everything is going to be great in the P12 and no one outside of the core Cali schools, Oregon Schools and Washington is going to be looking around.   

[Emo EMAW]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

[KITNfury]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

This basically why I said I wasn't in love w/ the Arizona schools. I could be wrong because I have nothing to back it up, but I don't even think of the them as being in the top 1/2 of PAC in terms of desirability. USC, Oregon, UCLA and probably Cal are ahead of them. So maybe they are in the middle 3rd somewhere.

Better than shitty schools like Memphis and Houston by a light year, but not boner worthy (with the exception of raiding a legit conference instead of being pillaged, there's some fun in that).

[HerrSonntag]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

I don't think staying at 10 teams is a big deal, but I'm not going to pretend like being back at 12 or 14 or whatever wouldn't be better. 
IF you were committed to having a conference championship game, i think doing it with 12+ is better than with 10. 
IF you are going to add teams, its not a question of which teams can you grab that add value but rather which teams add the most value relative to the others. 
Any team the Big 12 grabs probably isn't going to increase revenue distribution per-school.  The best, one could hope, for is a team that thins it out the least.

[michigancat]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

[Shooter Jones]

almost 7 million people in Arizona, this is always about the number of tv's and markets and stuff, right?

[Emo EMAW]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

Not if the new members were 2 or all of the 4 that left.  That's the only way it'd be better.

[HerrSonntag]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

I think 12 members with 2 of them being shitty schools scraped off the Pac 12 or some faraway school would be worse than the current 10 team round robin.  But, i think it would be preferable to the whatever dogshit format they come up with for a 10 team conference division format.

[DQ12]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

I think 12 members with 2 of them being shitty schools scraped off the Pac 12 or some faraway school would be worse than the current 10 team round robin.  But, i think it would be preferable to the whatever dogshit format they come up with for a 10 team conference division format.

If we're going to have a championship i'd prefer 6 team divisions.  Anyone turning up their noses at the Arizona schools is insane imo.

[KITNfury]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

I think 12 members with 2 of them being shitty schools scraped off the Pac 12 or some faraway school would be worse than the current 10 team round robin.  But, i think it would be preferable to the whatever dogshit format they come up with for a 10 team conference division format.

If we're going to have a championship i'd prefer 6 team divisions.  Anyone turning up their noses at the Arizona schools is insane imo.

I'm certainly not turning my nose up, but I think staying at 10 might better. I simply have no doubt the playoffs will at some point expand to 8 teams. Once they do, the Big 12 will auto qualify. If you believe the playoffs will expand, then we absolutely should not be in a hurry to expand unless a slam dunk value add team is willing to come on board.

[DQ12]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

I think 12 members with 2 of them being shitty schools scraped off the Pac 12 or some faraway school would be worse than the current 10 team round robin.  But, i think it would be preferable to the whatever dogshit format they come up with for a 10 team conference division format.

If we're going to have a championship i'd prefer 6 team divisions.  Anyone turning up their noses at the Arizona schools is insane imo.

I'm certainly not turning my nose up, but I think staying at 10 might better. I simply have no doubt the playoffs will at some point expand to 8 teams. Once they do, the Big 12 will auto qualify. If you believe the playoffs will expand, then we absolutely should not be in a hurry to expand unless a slam dunk value add team is willing to come on board.

Well if it goes to 8 there will still be two at large teams for which each of the five P5 conferences will lobby. 

[ChiComCat]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

I think 12 members with 2 of them being shitty schools scraped off the Pac 12 or some faraway school would be worse than the current 10 team round robin.  But, i think it would be preferable to the whatever dogshit format they come up with for a 10 team conference division format.

If we're going to have a championship i'd prefer 6 team divisions.  Anyone turning up their noses at the Arizona schools is insane imo.

I'm certainly not turning my nose up, but I think staying at 10 might better. I simply have no doubt the playoffs will at some point expand to 8 teams. Once they do, the Big 12 will auto qualify. If you believe the playoffs will expand, then we absolutely should not be in a hurry to expand unless a slam dunk value add team is willing to come on board.

Well if it goes to 8 there will still be two at large teams for which each of the five P5 conferences will lobby. 

K-State won't win that lobby regardless of what the Big 12 does

[KITNfury]

12 or 14 members would absolutely be worse

I think 12 members with 2 of them being shitty schools scraped off the Pac 12 or some faraway school would be worse than the current 10 team round robin.  But, i think it would be preferable to the whatever dogshit format they come up with for a 10 team conference division format.

If we're going to have a championship i'd prefer 6 team divisions.  Anyone turning up their noses at the Arizona schools is insane imo.

I'm certainly not turning my nose up, but I think staying at 10 might better. I simply have no doubt the playoffs will at some point expand to 8 teams. Once they do, the Big 12 will auto qualify. If you believe the playoffs will expand, then we absolutely should not be in a hurry to expand unless a slam dunk value add team is willing to come on board.

Well if it goes to 8 there will still be two at large teams for which each of the five P5 conferences will lobby.

Correct, and you can probably grant the SEC a second team most years, so now you're down to 1. You have to look no further than two years ago and the Big12 would have had 2 teams in under that scenario.

At 12 or 14 teams, we'd be guaranteed 7-8% of the conference in the playoffs, with a chance at 16 or 14%.

At 10 team, guaranteed 10% with a chance for 20% of the conference in.

I recognize the hard part is determining how often that second gets in w/ 10 teams vs a larger quantity of teams and then justifying the  loss of  profit due to smaller pie slices per team. My gut says stay at 10 unless you hit a homerun with teams like FSU.

[MakeItRain]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

Perception vs. Reality. If the networks think you'd additions are strong the reality of the situation doesn't matter at all. Rutgers and Maryland added insane value to the Big 10 even though no one gives a crap about Rutgers.

[Emo EMAW]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

Perception vs. Reality. If the networks think you'd additions are strong the reality of the situation doesn't matter at all. Rutgers and Maryland added insane value to the Big 10 even though no one gives a crap about Rutgers.

I guess the networks would do better to spend their money hiring people that can ascertain the difference between perception and reality.

[kim carnes]

Perception is reality

[Emo EMAW]

I guess a fool and his money are easily parted.

[CyberToothCat]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

Perception vs. Reality. If the networks think you'd additions are strong the reality of the situation doesn't matter at all. Rutgers and Maryland added insane value to the Big 10 even though no one gives a crap about Rutgers.

Rutgers is valuable to the Big Ten only because of the way the BTN makes money. They get to charge a higher rate per subscriber for TV subscribers in the Rutgers tv market area. And there are a lot of people there. It doesn't matter (for the moment) that no one turns on the tv to watch Rutgers. What matters is that people pay their cable bills so that the BTN can get money. If/when cord-cutting reduces the power of the BTN, then Rutgers could well be an albatross hanging around the Big Ten's neck.

[Skipper44]

How could current Pac 12 teams bring more value to any other conference than they can to their current conference?

in a similar way to how WVU is more valuable in the Big12 than it was in the Big East.  The AZ schools would increase Big 12 visibility on the west coast for all games.  The biggest increase would likely be from at least five or six 9 pm CST kickoffs that would allow the Big 12 to have a 4 window Saturday with only 1 Big 12 game.