Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Pete]

It’s probably the right thing to do to bring those 4 in. I hope it works out.

[Pete]

But we better not put “PAC” in the name of the conference. That’s dead.

[MadCat]

Wild West Conference

[Katpappy]

After listening to a few podcasts about the Big XII getting the 4 leftovers, I am convinced that it would be a DBL. negative for the conference.  It would give the old PAC schools the same voting power as the hateful(original) 8 and they would or could change what we want to what they want.  I don't think that would be an ideal situation for the future of the conference.

[Katpappy]

Wild West Conference

WE already have rights to Big XII, XVI, and XX.  TY Bob.

[deputy dawg]

After listening to a few podcasts about the Big XII getting the 4 leftovers, I am convinced that it would be a DBL. negative for the conference.  It would give the old PAC schools the same voting power as the hateful(original) 8 and they would or could change what we want to what they want.  I don't think that would be an ideal situation for the future of the conference.

The 4 PAC schools we added will always be looking for a way out if they can find equal or greater revenue opportunities.  Adding 4 more won't make things any better. 

[cfbandyman]

Wild West Conference

WE already have rights to Big XII, XVI, and XX.  TY Bob.

Amazing foresight given his lack of foresight in other things

[ChiComCat]

I've seen articles indicating the 4 remaining teams are going to be the beneficiaries of $65m in NCAA tournament payouts if they stick together in the PAC.  I don't know what happens to that if there is a "merger" with the B12 but that's a pretty good chunk of change (particularly to those 4 if they're left out of a power conference). 

[Katpappy]

They also have a "war chest" and it is substantial.  They could easily pay off their debt and have enough left to subsidize their payout as the ACC is trying to do.  Maybe we bring them in at $10 million per year and add other payouts from CFP and NCAA, plus bowl money and whatever we get from ESPN+ it could add up to $25 million plus.  That should satisfy their shares and add 80 million plus to give out to the other schools.  80/16 million amounts to about 5 million more per school and should put us at 55 million plus.  I still don't think it's worth it.

[Spracne]

Nope. Sorry. Do not want. Let's stand pat at 16. Particularly OSU and WSU. Dead weight.

[PurpleOil]

Nope. Sorry. Do not want. Let's stand pat at 16. Particularly OSU and WSU. Dead weight.

This is where I'm at as well. I don't see an advantage, or a need to add any of the remaining PAC schools.

The 4 PAC schools we added will always be looking for a way out if they can find equal or greater revenue opportunities.  Adding 4 more won't make things any better.

I doubt it. The only options to go up are the big 10 and SEC and neither of those conferences have acted even remotely interested in adding those schools. Nobody in Michigan wants to watch Baylor play Arizona State. Likewise for the people in Alabama or Georgia.

[Houstoncat93]

I've seen articles indicating the 4 remaining teams are going to be the beneficiaries of $65m in NCAA tournament payouts if they stick together in the PAC.  I don't know what happens to that if there is a "merger" with the B12 but that's a pretty good chunk of change (particularly to those 4 if they're left out of a power conference).

I think it was Bob Thompson, former FOX exec, who I saw say this.  He said that if the PAC completely dissolves then the NCAA credits revert back to the teams and their new conference. I think he referenced the SWC when it dissolved as a precedent.  As long as there is some legal entity known as the PAC, it will get the credits.

[ChiComCat]

I'm sure it was Bob Thompson - he's been pretty great on realignment.

From everything I've read, there's just no incentive to add any schools unless a TV partner changes our deal to do it.   The TV people seem pretty clear that they're not interested in changing our deal for those 4 schools. Maybe the NCAA payouts plus language in the current contract could get us there in this deal, but the payouts would be challenging to collect and it may piss off our TV partners who seem fine leaving them by the wayside.

[chum1]

I'd be totally good with either adding or not adding those four. Either way seems like a pretty great situation.

And the prospect of eventually adding ACC schools doesn't change anything for me. Like, what's the real difference between a 20 team conference and a 24 team one?

[MakeItRain]

Wild West Conference

WE already have rights to Big XII, XVI, and XX.  TY Bob.

Amazing foresight given his lack of foresight in other things

That was a rumor that turned out to be untrue

[Kid In the Hall]

I'd be totally good with either adding or not adding those four. Either way seems like a pretty great situation.

And the prospect of eventually adding ACC schools doesn't change anything for me. Like, what's the real difference between a 20 team conference and a 24 team one?

I mostly agree, but I'd like to think BY has a strategic plan that's focused on a number (20, 24, etc.) taking into account all the variables (TV revenue, etc.). Whatever the number is, if you assume there is one (and, maybe there isn't), then you're weighing those 4 schools against UConn, Gonzaga and whatever you project as the remnants of the ACC when it meets its demise.

So the question is, are those 4 schools worse/better than: Boston College, Louisville, NC State, Pitt, Syracuse & Wake Forest - the schools that won't be in the SEC/Big Ten - as well as Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech (the schools that could get in, but might not). This assumes Clemson, FSU, UNC and Virginia are gonzo.

If 24 is your number, then, by all means, add those four. But if 20 is your number, you could make an argument that several of the above schools bring more to the table - especially if the "maybe" schools don't get called up to the big leagues.

Of all the public schools on that list, OSU and WSU are behind all the others in 2022 athletics revenue by at least $15 million (for whatever that's worth).

[Katpappy]

Yeah, like when I announced the 30 million per school ESPN offered to the PAC last fall was untrue. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I really wish we were only adding Arizona and Utah.

[Kid In the Hall]

I really wish we were only adding Arizona and Utah.

Colorado had $95 million in revenue in 2022 - $21 million behind Utah, $26 million behind ASU, $29 million behind Arizona. And, even $5 million behind lowly K-State. In fact, if you were to add the revenue the other new teams would have gotten if they had been in the Big 12 last year, CU would have the lowest revenue of any of the public schools in the new Big 12.

[chum1]

I'd be totally good with either adding or not adding those four. Either way seems like a pretty great situation.

And the prospect of eventually adding ACC schools doesn't change anything for me. Like, what's the real difference between a 20 team conference and a 24 team one?

I mostly agree, but I'd like to think BY has a strategic plan that's focused on a number (20, 24, etc.)

He says publicly that he does not have a plan for a particular number but does have one for stretching coast to coast.

[OB_Won]

I'd be totally good with either adding or not adding those four. Either way seems like a pretty great situation.

And the prospect of eventually adding ACC schools doesn't change anything for me. Like, what's the real difference between a 20 team conference and a 24 team one?

I mostly agree, but I'd like to think BY has a strategic plan that's focused on a number (20, 24, etc.)

He says publicly that he does not have a plan for a particular number but does have one for stretching coast to coast.

I know I'm dumb, but why the boner for coast-to-coast? Do fans refuse to go to games or shut off the TV on Saturday evening because they have to get up for early church the next morning. Can't MDT/MST schools schedule their game an hour later for TV?

[wetwillie]

I really wish we were only adding Arizona and Utah.

Colorado had $95 million in revenue in 2022 - $21 million behind Utah, $26 million behind ASU, $29 million behind Arizona. And, even $5 million behind lowly K-State. In fact, if you were to add the revenue the other new teams would have gotten if they had been in the Big 12 last year, CU would have the lowest revenue of any of the public schools in the new Big 12.

Isn't some of the difference between the zona schools and Colorado that they have way more athletic programs? Also the zona schools contribute quite a bit more to the AD through student fees than CU does.

[cfbandyman]

Wild West Conference

WE already have rights to Big XII, XVI, and XX.  TY Bob.

Amazing foresight given his lack of foresight in other things

That was a rumor that turned out to be untrue

Seemed too good to be true

[MakeItRain]

I'd be totally good with either adding or not adding those four. Either way seems like a pretty great situation.

And the prospect of eventually adding ACC schools doesn't change anything for me. Like, what's the real difference between a 20 team conference and a 24 team one?

I mostly agree, but I'd like to think BY has a strategic plan that's focused on a number (20, 24, etc.)

He says publicly that he does not have a plan for a particular number but does have one for stretching coast to coast.

I know I'm dumb, but why the boner for coast-to-coast? Do fans refuse to go to games or shut off the TV on Saturday evening because they have to get up for early church the next morning. Can't MDT/MST schools schedule their game an hour later for TV?

It's just the ability have games in every window, it's more visibility.

[MakeItRain]

Wild West Conference

WE already have rights to Big XII, XVI, and XX.  TY Bob.

Amazing foresight given his lack of foresight in other things

That was a rumor that turned out to be untrue

Seemed too good to be true

It's also not how trademark law works. If you have a trademark you have to be able to show that you're actively utilizing said trademark. You just can't trademark a bunch of things then just sit on them for 10 years.