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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #24675 on: May 23, 2013, 07:21:35 PM »
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #24677 on: May 23, 2013, 10:15:39 PM »
Hey, guys: there's a rough ridin' band playing.  Put your penises away and just enjoy your cigars like civilized people.
This summarizes better than any other statement in close to one thousand pages of this thread.  :thumbs:
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« Reply #24678 on: May 28, 2013, 10:08:04 AM »
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/27/4887208/big-issues-big-payday-on-big-12.html

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Big 12 conference officials will convene Tuesday in Irving with an eye toward solving issues related to future bowl affiliations, college football playoff ramifications and NCAA legislation.

But the primary highlight of the annual spring meetings, which conclude Friday, will be the disbursement of 2012-13 league revenues to the 10 member schools, including TCU, that are expected to be the largest of any league this year.

In January, Forbes magazine projected this year’s disbursements would be $26.2 million per school for Big 12 members, the largest per-team figure among BCS-affiliated conferences. League Commissioner Bob Bowlsby has said that estimate is not exact but remains “in the ballpark” with actual distributions expected to be announced later this week.


During the four-day meetings, league officials also are expected to discuss a revamped bowl lineup for the 2014 season, the first to be played under college football’s playoff format. The initial national championship game of the playoff era will take place Jan. 12, 2015 at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, with the Arlington-based AT&T Cotton Bowl Classic becoming part of the playoff mix in the 2014 postseason as well.

Other anticipated topics of discussion include a proposed football scheduling alliance with the Atlantic Coast Conference, issues related to NCAA legislation and the potential makeup of the selection committee that will finalize the annual four-team bracket during the College Football Playoff era that begins with the 2014 postseason.

This does not include the T3 TV money that we're all monetizing.

There's a lot of great stuff in this article as well:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20130525-carlton-a-year-into-big-12-tenure-bob-bowlsby-has-seen-conference-stabilize-but-won-t-rest-on-his-laurels.ece

It appears that we may be working with the Pac-12 to do a Sugar Bowl-esque arrangement with the BWW Bowl:

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Bowlsby said the Big 12 and the Pac-12 are talking about a partnership in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl much like the Champions Bowl concept with the SEC that became the Sugar Bowl.

“We’re looking at a modified Sugar Bowl model where we will be part of the operation of the bowl, instead of an invited guest,” Bowlsby said.

Buffalo Wing Wings Bowl spokesman Andrew Bagnato confirmed ongoing discussions.

“Given the financial realities, this could be a very advantageous partnership for the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl,” he said.

People can say what they want about Bowlsby, but the guy understands how to make money.  If we had just swapped TCU for Louisville, I'd feel really great about where we are at, but cest la vie.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #24679 on: May 28, 2013, 10:25:54 AM »
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #24680 on: May 28, 2013, 10:44:40 AM »
TCU was like the lowest hanging fruit ever.  I'm pretty sure they were actually just laying there on the ground ready to become worm food.

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« Reply #24681 on: May 28, 2013, 11:41:08 AM »
TCU was the right move from a conference perspective imo.  Having 4 teams in Texas will only make it easier to expand if it comes to that.  UofL will need to win a couple of FB National titles before having them in your league is a larger positive than TCU and their DFW location.

From a purely Kstate perspective, TCU is infinitely better than UofL will ever be.

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« Reply #24682 on: May 28, 2013, 11:58:39 AM »
TCU was the right move from a conference perspective imo.  Having 4 teams in Texas will only make it easier to expand if it comes to that.  UofL will need to win a couple of FB National titles before having them in your league is a larger positive than TCU and their DFW location.

From a purely Kstate perspective, TCU is infinitely better than UofL will ever be.

There are pros and cons, but having a school like Louisville, that would raise our competitiveness in basketball and non-revenue sports, would have been pretty nice.  Also, it would have given WVU a travel partner immediately, which would have helped in that regard.

But, again, cest la vie.

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« Reply #24683 on: May 28, 2013, 12:25:23 PM »
TCU was the right move from a conference perspective imo.  Having 4 teams in Texas will only make it easier to expand if it comes to that.  UofL will need to win a couple of FB National titles before having them in your league is a larger positive than TCU and their DFW location.

From a purely Kstate perspective, TCU is infinitely better than UofL will ever be.

There are pros and cons, but having a school like Louisville, that would raise our competitiveness in basketball and non-revenue sports, would have been pretty nice.  Also, it would have given WVU a travel partner immediately, which would have helped in that regard.

But, again, cest la vie.

is this whole idea of a travel partner is laughable and dumb.

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« Reply #24684 on: May 28, 2013, 12:51:59 PM »
TCU was like the lowest hanging fruit ever.  I'm pretty sure they were actually just laying there on the ground ready to become worm food.

This has to be one of the best analogies ever.  :thumbs:

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« Reply #24685 on: May 29, 2013, 01:06:10 PM »
http://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/cord-cutting-q1-2013/

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Pay TV had a really bad first quarter this year, with cable companies losing an estimated 263,735 subscribers from New Year’s Day to the end of March, according to the Leichtman Research Group. Satellite TV providers and phone companies with a TV business gained some subscribers during the same time period, but fewer than in previous first quarters, and one of the culprits seems to be cord cutting.

A bad first quarter is notable for the industry because that’s when it is usually the strongest. The industry added an estimated 445,000 subscribers in Q1 of 2012, and 470,000 in Q1 of 2011. But even with additions from satellite and phone companies, this year’s first quarter was only up around 194,000 – not enough to make up for previous-quarter losses.

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Cable has been bleeding for years, and it’s no surprise to see this continue – even though many had expected a stronger showing for Comcast and Co. But really concerning is the slowing growth in the satellite TV segment, which is where price-conscious consumers have been fleeing to in previous years.

DirecTV added 184,000 subscribers in Q1 of 2011, and 81,000 in Q1 of 2012. This year, it only gained 21,000 new subscribers in the same time frame. Things didn’t look better for DISH, which dropped from 104,000 subscribers in Q1 of 2012 to 36,000 in Q1 of 2013.

That’s a sign that people aren’t just looking for a cheaper pay TV option anymore, but actually want to get rid of the traditional pay TV bundle altogether.

The moral of the story is that cable subscribers are down across the board.  The only real growth in the space is in the Verizon/AT&T space.  Even when you factor in their growth, all traditional TV subscriptions were down 80k last year.

What does this mean?  All of these conferences are sprinting to follow the Big Ten model (or some version of it), but it appears that they're all moving towards this new model when the market itself is in decline.  ESPN is making huge investments in these properties, but they had to lay off employees, and a part of the reason is increased rights fees.  Even after adding two new schools, one of them in Texas, it's estimated that each SEC school will make nearly $25 million in TV money.  That's essentially what WE MAKE WITH TEN TEAMS AND NO NETWORK when you factor in T3 television deals.  Schools like Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas will blow those numbers out of the water, and the rest of us will most likely sit in that $25 million wheelhouse give or take $1-2 million.  And we'll all get greater cuts of playoff money, bowl money, NCAA tournament money, etc.  There is a very real chance that the Big 12 will lead all conferences in conference distributed revenue for the duration of the new playoff system because the networks that all of these conferences are banking on have nowhere to go but down before some of them even begin.

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/april/how-much-can-sec-network-make-on-cable-fees.html

In 2016, almost every single football game (save the 10-12 held back for T3 purposes) will be on ABC, ESPN/2/U, Fox, Fox Sports 1, or a nationally televised FSN broadcast.  We'll have the flexibility to broadcast tier 3 content in a way to maximize it's profit potential, and we'll be completely insulated from market fluctuations in the cable industry, which will see a pretty dynamic shift in the next decade.

There is a very strong, compelling argument that the Big 12 is the conference best situated to come out of the playoff era in it's current format as the most profitable and stable conference.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #24686 on: May 29, 2013, 01:08:18 PM »
oh yeah, I think everyone can agree that the B12 won conference armegeddon

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« Reply #24687 on: May 29, 2013, 02:08:55 PM »
oh yeah, I think everyone can agree that the B12 won conference armegeddon

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« Reply #24688 on: May 29, 2013, 04:21:58 PM »
There is a very strong, compelling argument that the Big 12 is the conference best situated to come out of the playoff era in it's current format as the most profitable and stable conference.

As long as the prestige the Big 12 lost doesn't hurt us too badly in the short term, I agree that the Big 12 has an excellent chance at survival.

But most profitable and most stable?  I don't see it.

You say the SEC looks like it is going to have $25 million in TV revenue with the SEC Network added in.  That's as much as the Big 12 distributes in total, including TV, Bowl, NCAA tourney, Big 12 tourney, etc.  And I think the new Big Ten TV contracts in a couple of years will blow everyone elses out of the water.

And there are zero teams in the SEC or Big Ten that have wandering eyes or are having any thoughts about jumping ship.  For one thing, the Big Ten has a GOR that last about three times as long as ours.  For another, the SEC is the best conference in the country by far and no one is interested in leaving it.  Plus, the Pac 12 is extremely stable as well, if for no other reason than because it is so geographically isolated.

The Big 12 has a very good chance at keeping its seat at the table, but we are by no means at the head of the table.

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« Reply #24689 on: May 29, 2013, 04:46:23 PM »
We just need UT and OU to feel like they have seats at the head table and we will be fine.  Financially, UT will have no problems but we should all be purchasing any OU ppv games

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« Reply #24690 on: May 29, 2013, 04:55:06 PM »
The reasonable non Clay Travis' of the world have said that the SEC TV deal at it's peak will pull in about $30 million dollars total a year per school   That's before Tier III money and bowls and NCAA distribution.   Many of their schools will still have Tier III revenue, but likely not nearly as much as they have now because the Tier III offerings will be diluted.   

The Big 12 TV deal at its peak will pull in $20 million dollars per school.   That's before Tier III money.   Texas with the LHN will go over $30 million a year, the rest will be around $24 to $28 million per year.    That's before NCAA tourney, bowl/playoff distributions.   Once that kicks in, the Big 12 schools will be in the $30's and some in the $40's. 

Just a few years ago, K-State made about $11 million total off everything in these categories.    It's very possible that K-State could make $30 million this year on total conference distributions plus Tier III, K-State is slated to get an extra $900K bonus from the conference for selling out its allotment of BCS bowl tickets. 

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« Reply #24691 on: May 29, 2013, 07:52:06 PM »
There is a very strong, compelling argument that the Big 12 is the conference best situated to come out of the playoff era in it's current format as the most profitable and stable conference.

As long as the prestige the Big 12 lost doesn't hurt us too badly in the short term, I agree that the Big 12 has an excellent chance at survival.

But most profitable and most stable?  I don't see it.

You say the SEC looks like it is going to have $25 million in TV revenue with the SEC Network added in.  That's as much as the Big 12 distributes in total, including TV, Bowl, NCAA tourney, Big 12 tourney, etc.  And I think the new Big Ten TV contracts in a couple of years will blow everyone elses out of the water.

And there are zero teams in the SEC or Big Ten that have wandering eyes or are having any thoughts about jumping ship.  For one thing, the Big Ten has a GOR that last about three times as long as ours.  For another, the SEC is the best conference in the country by far and no one is interested in leaving it.  Plus, the Pac 12 is extremely stable as well, if for no other reason than because it is so geographically isolated.

The Big 12 has a very good chance at keeping its seat at the table, but we are by no means at the head of the table.

Our T3 deals added in will put us over 25 million.  Then we start getting into the other stuff.

People say that our $26 million is some static number.  It's backloaded just like everyone else's.  Dennis Dodd had that piece last fall that estimated our total conference take may end up being in the $40 million range in the latter part of this decade, and that's helped by us having less mouths to feed.  And, again, that doesn't count T3 money.

The benefit of our model is that we get max value from T1 and T2.  Other conferences sacrifice either T2 or T3 dollars in a swap for their network programming.  We can maximize every dollar at a level befitting of the school.

Again, the main point is that every other conference is banking that these networks are going to be as profitable in 2025 as they are today.  The trend that I linked shows that a subscriber based cable model has most likely plateaued, especially for these niche networks.  People in California don't give a crap about the SEC, so they aren't going to pay for the sports package that this is bundled with.  And to prevent the cord cutting slide, all college networks are going to a special tier with other niche sports networks eventually.

However, the Big 12 has insulated their product on channels that make their hay on PRO sports.  ESPN and Fox will still be on basic so people can get all of the pro sports they crave.  Even most of the teams in the conference have sold their rights to regional networks that are propped up by the NBA and pro baseball.  Our distribution mechanism is shielded by the popularity of pro sports, which bodes well for us in the future.

The bottom line is that we have placed ourselves in an extremely lucrative and SAFE position.  There is nothing speculative about our approach.  The other conferences are banking on this conference specific network to pan out, but the odds are that it's growth will be marginal at best and less profitable at worst.

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« Reply #24692 on: May 29, 2013, 08:55:46 PM »
Man am I glad Cyclones.tv is up and rolling!  :excited:

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« Reply #24693 on: May 29, 2013, 09:33:18 PM »
Here's a Pro Tip:  UPKS in so many words has been talking about life at K-State with little to no state funding since about the 3rd minute he stepped on campus.   As it stands right now, only about 20% of K-State's funding comes from the state. 

K-State (like ku) is about to launch yet another massive fund raising drive and this coupled with K-State 2025 is pretty much geared towards life without state funding.

A couple of other tidbits.   On top of the new college of business building, and the expansion of the engineering complex which are going to happen.   Is a $75 million dollar expansion and renovation of Seaton, placed on the BOR future projects list, as well as a new residence hall.

KU is also building a new Engineering building (construction trailer already in place), and a new Business building. 

It has always baffled me why two Universities in the same state, an hour and a half apart are so competitive with the same colleges.  BOR isn't allowing K-State Olathe campus to start an MBA program because KU Edwards has one.

That's rough ridin' annoying.  I was just saying the other day that if KSUO offered an MBA I would probably do it.  I mean I could go to KUE, but, ugh, so lame.

There is plenty of interest.  Some local companies who send their employees to places like Purdue for E-MBA's said they would start sending them to K-State Olathe.  Pretty frustrating for the Business school.  Right now though they are concentrating on funding for the new Business building.  UMKC will finish up the new Bloch School of Business this summer, and KU is in the funding phases of theirs too.  So many MBA programs in the KC metro area that BOR is giving KSUO the big FU.

The best MBA program in the city actually belongs to Rockhurst, believe it or not.

Uh,

Wash U? Wharton might be brining a satellite campus to KC?
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« Reply #24694 on: May 29, 2013, 09:49:08 PM »
Here's a Pro Tip:  UPKS in so many words has been talking about life at K-State with little to no state funding since about the 3rd minute he stepped on campus.   As it stands right now, only about 20% of K-State's funding comes from the state. 

K-State (like ku) is about to launch yet another massive fund raising drive and this coupled with K-State 2025 is pretty much geared towards life without state funding.

A couple of other tidbits.   On top of the new college of business building, and the expansion of the engineering complex which are going to happen.   Is a $75 million dollar expansion and renovation of Seaton, placed on the BOR future projects list, as well as a new residence hall.

KU is also building a new Engineering building (construction trailer already in place), and a new Business building. 

It has always baffled me why two Universities in the same state, an hour and a half apart are so competitive with the same colleges.  BOR isn't allowing K-State Olathe campus to start an MBA program because KU Edwards has one.

That's rough ridin' annoying.  I was just saying the other day that if KSUO offered an MBA I would probably do it.  I mean I could go to KUE, but, ugh, so lame.

There is plenty of interest.  Some local companies who send their employees to places like Purdue for E-MBA's said they would start sending them to K-State Olathe.  Pretty frustrating for the Business school.  Right now though they are concentrating on funding for the new Business building.  UMKC will finish up the new Bloch School of Business this summer, and KU is in the funding phases of theirs too.  So many MBA programs in the KC metro area that BOR is giving KSUO the big FU.

The best MBA program in the city actually belongs to Rockhurst, believe it or not.

Uh,

Wash U? Wharton might be brining a satellite campus to KC?

Wash U isn't a full MBA.  It's a an EMBA.

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« Reply #24695 on: May 29, 2013, 11:17:18 PM »
Man am I glad Cyclones.tv is up and rolling!  :excited:

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« Reply #24696 on: May 30, 2013, 07:05:23 AM »
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Man am I glad Cyclones.tv is up and rolling!  :excited:

Does it carry wrestling?
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« Reply #24697 on: May 30, 2013, 08:33:39 AM »
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Man am I glad Cyclones.tv is up and rolling!  :excited:

Does it carry wrestling?
Or does wrestling carry it? BA DUM TING!
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« Reply #24698 on: May 30, 2013, 12:58:05 PM »
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« Reply #24699 on: May 30, 2013, 01:13:46 PM »
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During the meeting, Gee also said he thought it was a mistake not to include Missouri and Kansas in earlier Big Ten expansion plans. Missouri has since joined the SEC.

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