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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2015, 01:23:14 PM »
you hire people, not archetypes.  hiring underwood (now) would be the most conventional move kstate could possibly make.

i'd love it.
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2015, 01:33:12 PM »
Like, I know we'll probably hire some typical white guy mid major dork, but I'm 100% convinced that we should go unconventional, unless somehow a Brad Stevens fell magically into our lap.

Do you have a non-white candidate in mind?


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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2015, 01:38:31 PM »
you hire people, not archetypes.  hiring underwood (now) would be the most conventional move kstate could possibly make.

i'd love it.

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2015, 01:46:54 PM »
Pretty sure we already had this thread.

Maybe Eddie Sutton @ OSU (after KSU passed on him)

I'm sure there have got to be other examples. Probably there are several coaches who were "pressured out" rather than fired, like Tubby at UK or Dana Altman at KSU (though Altman doesn't fit the mold of this question, because he went to Creighton next).
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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2015, 02:31:00 PM »
Pretty sure we already had this thread.

Maybe Eddie Sutton @ OSU (after KSU passed on him)

I'm sure there have got to be other examples. Probably there are several coaches who were "pressured out" rather than fired, like Tubby at UK or Dana Altman at KSU (though Altman doesn't fit the mold of this question, because he went to Creighton next).

If you are sure about others, give em up.  I'll even take "pressured out" ones.   Sutton is probably a gray area (more likely was pressured to resign due to the scandal), but I will include him on the list.

So far:
Sutton from UK to hapless and moribund OSU (clearly OSU is on a lower level than UK, and they were struggling pretty bad so it was worth a risk to hire the hometown guy)
Smith from UK to hapless and moribund Minnesota (clearly Minnesota is on a lower level than UK)
Weber from UIUC to recently revitalized KSU which was actually more successful than UIUC over the past few years.
Smith from Minnesota to hapless and moribund Texas Tech

Wow hiring a coach who has just been fired for being a bad basketball coach looks like a great sign of a program's health!
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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2015, 07:44:35 PM »
if we don't overthink it we'll get brad.  currie will probably overthink it and hire some other dork.  so in that sense maybe we should just stick with this squeaky dork we have now.
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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2015, 08:23:58 PM »
Just throwing it out there, not sure what I think about it, but what about the Northern Iowa coach?

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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2015, 08:34:54 PM »
Risky would be hiring Chet.
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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2015, 09:15:25 PM »
Risky would be hiring Chet.

if someone had a gun in mouth and was pressuring me to hire someone on this staff, it'd be brooks by a landslide.
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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2015, 09:44:43 PM »
I just want someone different.  Someone for no other reason than because they haven't failed yet.

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2015, 01:35:04 PM »
Pretty sure we already had this thread.

Maybe Eddie Sutton @ OSU (after KSU passed on him)

I'm sure there have got to be other examples. Probably there are several coaches who were "pressured out" rather than fired, like Tubby at UK or Dana Altman at KSU (though Altman doesn't fit the mold of this question, because he went to Creighton next).

If you are sure about others, give em up.  I'll even take "pressured out" ones.   Sutton is probably a gray area (more likely was pressured to resign due to the scandal), but I will include him on the list.

So far:
Sutton from UK to hapless and moribund OSU (clearly OSU is on a lower level than UK, and they were struggling pretty bad so it was worth a risk to hire the hometown guy)
Smith from UK to hapless and moribund Minnesota (clearly Minnesota is on a lower level than UK)
Weber from UIUC to recently revitalized KSU which was actually more successful than UIUC over the past few years.
Smith from Minnesota to hapless and moribund Texas Tech

Wow hiring a coach who has just been fired for being a bad basketball coach looks like a great sign of a program's health!

steve alford was about to get canned by iowa, i believe, before he went to new mexico or new mexico state or whatever. that actually worked out well. for him, at least.

but, yeah, if you're asking if it was weird to hire weber. . . well, yeah.

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2015, 02:05:25 PM »
you guys, the day Huggins was hired was so freaking great. remember how excited you were? I mean my word fellas. Will anything ever feel like that again?
hiring jim tressell probably

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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2015, 02:07:27 PM »
Just throwing it out there, not sure what I think about it, but what about the Northern Iowa coach?
as steve dave pointed out to me in another thread it more about recruiting these days than coaching. with that form of thinking i would go delante hill easily. cant get more risky than that

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2015, 02:15:05 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2015, 02:18:07 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.
im not big into the basketball scene recruiting wise(aau is my main reason why) who would you put on that short list?

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2015, 02:34:42 PM »
Like, I know we'll probably hire some typical white guy mid major dork, but I'm 100% convinced that we should go unconventional, unless somehow a Brad Stevens fell magically into our lap.

Do you have a non-white candidate in mind?

How about George Karl's protege Mitch Richmond?
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/2/12/8031207/mitch-richmond-to-join-george-karls-coaching-staff-in-sacramento

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2015, 02:36:56 PM »
Like, I know we'll probably hire some typical white guy mid major dork, but I'm 100% convinced that we should go unconventional, unless somehow a Brad Stevens fell magically into our lap.

Do you have a non-white candidate in mind?

How about George Karl's protege Mitch Richmond?
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/2/12/8031207/mitch-richmond-to-join-george-karls-coaching-staff-in-sacramento

Do we think think he can recruit? Tucks might be able to get behind that hire, unless  :opcat:

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2015, 02:42:55 PM »
Like, I know we'll probably hire some typical white guy mid major dork, but I'm 100% convinced that we should go unconventional, unless somehow a Brad Stevens fell magically into our lap.

Do you have a non-white candidate in mind?

How about George Karl's protege Mitch Richmond?
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/2/12/8031207/mitch-richmond-to-join-george-karls-coaching-staff-in-sacramento

Do we think think he can recruit?

Current scout for Kings, dashing good looks, NBAHOF'er -- who wouldn't play for him?

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2015, 02:55:08 PM »
Sutton's the only other "fired then moved on immediately to lesser program" I can think of. Weber resume included nothing like what Sutton accomplished at Arkansas.
The list of hook-up-with-less-program-before-you-get-canned list includes Altman, Smith (twice), Alford, Haith and McDermott.
I'd nominate Eustachy as an unconventional hire the tucks would hate and Currie would never make.

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2015, 03:00:06 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.
im not big into the basketball scene recruiting wise(aau is my main reason why) who would you put on that short list?

I don't follow it that closely so I don't really know who the top recruiters are, but you know Dalonte got fired from Maryland, right?

And off the top of my head, Jerome Tang and Butch Pierre would both probably be much better recruiters for KSU as it stands today. I'm sure there's many, many more.

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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2015, 03:03:08 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.
im not big into the basketball scene recruiting wise(aau is my main reason why) who would you put on that short list?

I don't follow it that closely so I don't really know who the top recruiters are, but you know Dalonte got fired from Maryland, right?

And off the top of my head, Jerome Tang and Butch Pierre would both probably be much better recruiters for KSU as it stands today. I'm sure there's many, many more.
yes but he got fired for driving drunk all of the time. give him a stint in rehab and bam! slate cleaned

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Re: Risky Hiring
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2015, 03:20:12 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.
im not big into the basketball scene recruiting wise(aau is my main reason why) who would you put on that short list?

I don't follow it that closely so I don't really know who the top recruiters are, but you know Dalonte got fired from Maryland, right?

And off the top of my head, Jerome Tang and Butch Pierre would both probably be much better recruiters for KSU as it stands today. I'm sure there's many, many more.
yes but he got fired for driving drunk all of the time. give him a stint in rehab and bam! slate cleaned

I would hire him as an assistant in a second but it I still think there are many, many head coach candidates who would be better recruiters than dalonte at this point in time. IMO the DUI thing doesn't hurt him as much if he isn't the face of the program.

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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2015, 03:23:19 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.
im not big into the basketball scene recruiting wise(aau is my main reason why) who would you put on that short list?

I don't follow it that closely so I don't really know who the top recruiters are, but you know Dalonte got fired from Maryland, right?

And off the top of my head, Jerome Tang and Butch Pierre would both probably be much better recruiters for KSU as it stands today. I'm sure there's many, many more.
yes but he got fired for driving drunk all of the time. give him a stint in rehab and bam! slate cleaned

I would hire him as an assistant in a second but it I still think there are many, many head coach candidates who would be better recruiters than dalonte at this point in time. IMO the DUI thing doesn't hurt him as much if he isn't the face of the program.
oh i agree with that completely. the next hire will most likely be a long shot regardless, assuming its after next year

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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2015, 03:59:19 PM »
We could easily get a way better recruiter than Dalonte Hill today.
im not big into the basketball scene recruiting wise(aau is my main reason why) who would you put on that short list?

I don't follow it that closely so I don't really know who the top recruiters are, but you know Dalonte got fired from Maryland, right?

And off the top of my head, Jerome Tang and Butch Pierre would both probably be much better recruiters for KSU as it stands today. I'm sure there's many, many more.
yes but he got fired for driving drunk all of the time. give him a stint in rehab and bam! slate cleaned

I would hire him as an assistant in a second but it I still think there are many, many head coach candidates who would be better recruiters than dalonte at this point in time. IMO the DUI thing doesn't hurt him as much if he isn't the face of the program.
I don't want to minimize what Dalonte is as a recruiter but Curtis Malone going to the pen greatly reduces his appeal

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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2015, 04:03:01 PM »
Like, I know we'll probably hire some typical white guy mid major dork, but I'm 100% convinced that we should go unconventional, unless somehow a Brad Stevens fell magically into our lap.

Do you have a non-white candidate in mind?

How about George Karl's protege Mitch Richmond?
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/2/12/8031207/mitch-richmond-to-join-george-karls-coaching-staff-in-sacramento

Do we think think he can recruit?

Current scout for Kings, dashing good looks, NBAHOF'er -- who wouldn't play for him?

If Mitch Richmond wants to coach, I'd be fine with giving him a chance.