Make An Argument For Why oscar Weber Should Be The K-State MBB Coach ITT

[EMAWzified]

Gene Keady would hate use.

[chum1]

LOL

It's essentially what they're saying, right?

[CNS]

Holiday Inn has conf rooms. 

[dal9]

He cant help his players are fat

[dal9]

altho now I think about it Mcamey was a chubby little bastard too and D-Will is now superfat

maybe cut back team froyo nights to a few times a week

[Mr Bread]

He cant help his players are fat

He hired the strength coach you rough ridin' dunce.  Who is a huge fatass pos himself.

[ChiComCat]

With all the construction and office displacement going on, do we even have a place for a firing presser with his nuclear family in tears offset from the podium?

Due to space constraints, they will do the presser and have to live stream his crying family next to him on a TV

[Mr Bread]

altho now I think about it Mcamey was a chubby little bastard too and D-Will is now superfat

maybe cut back team froyo nights to a few times a week

A hearty LOL in your bitchface talking smack about high major basketball players' fitness.

[CHONGS]

I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.

You make a valid point.

How many data points would you think are needed?  I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).

I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.

If (and it is a big if), this season continues at it currently has then at the end of the year I think there is a trend of getting worse.  Would you agree with that?

Let's just say he finishes his time at Kansas State with a downward trend. Then, we have two downward trend per school data points: one from his time at Illinois and one from his time at Kansas State.

Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coach's recruits" people.

I suppose one could see the sense in that.  Yes failing at KSU would not "prove" that oscar always will run a major team into the ground.  It would indeed be only two "data points" for succeeding only with other coach's players.   

I don't remember most being this cautious with Prince, but then again it was a long time ago and people change.

[EMAWzified]

Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coaches' recruits" people

Not to be a grammar nazi, but it's an worthwhile distinction in this case

[slobber]

@steve dave : It's a documented fact that I have a huge man crush on you. This type of thread is why. Wow.


Gonna win 'em all!

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With all the construction and office displacement going on, do we even have a place for a firing presser with his nuclear family in tears offset from the podium?

Due to space constraints, they will do the presser and have to live stream his crying family next to him on a TV

Well, the space up by the sinks in the concourse is already reserved for rally'rs and protest'rs.

[chum1]

Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coaches' recruits" people

Not to be a grammar nazi, but it's an worthwhile distinction in this case

I don't see why you couldn't use either.

[Dugout DickStone]

This is the essence of what I'm saying.

Things supported by data: oscar trends downward at Illinois. Things not supported by data, but by conjecture or gut feeling or whatever: oscar trends downward at Kansas State.

Just because I guess the correct lottery numbers doesn't rough ridin' mean that I had a reliable method for doing so even if I believe that I did.

Wait, what?

oscar is trending down big time at Kstate

If, IF, at the end of his career, he has trended downward, it wouldn't have been supported by data!

I will have to be content with being 100% on my prediction.

[chum1]

I'd love for someone to explain to me how a downward trend at Kansas State is supported by data.

You make a valid point.

How many data points would you think are needed?  I agree that two is too little, but three might be enough to give the sense of a trend (if the trend is mostly linear).

I was hoping you might come! Yeah, I think three is always a good rule of thumb number.

If (and it is a big if), this season continues at it currently has then at the end of the year I think there is a trend of getting worse.  Would you agree with that?

Let's just say he finishes his time at Kansas State with a downward trend. Then, we have two downward trend per school data points: one from his time at Illinois and one from his time at Kansas State.

Why look at downward trend per school? Ask the "other coach's recruits" people.

I suppose one could see the sense in that.  Yes failing at KSU would not "prove" that oscar always will run a major team into the ground.  It would indeed be only two "data points" for succeeding only with other coach's players.   

I don't remember most being this cautious with Prince, but then again it was a long time ago and people change.

Data is data. No need for scare quotes.

I'm just responding to people who seem to be sure that oscar will trend downward here by saying that they're not actually being all that rigorous in drawing that conclusion.

[Dugout DickStone]

I'd be happy to bet.

[Dugout DickStone]

But I get what you are saying as it relates to his tenure at Kstate

Basically the data from his time at Kstate is that he will finish in the top 3

[EMAWzified]

It's rare that there are multiple downward data references for coaches at a high level in college athletics. That's what made Currie's Dallas fever dream and the Charlie Weis hire so puzzling to begin with.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Come on, Weber has coached at three schools and one resulted in an upward trend. I know it's a Mo Valley school, but still.

This is his career:

1998–99    Southern Illinois    15–12    10–8    T–5th    
1999–00    Southern Illinois    20–13    12–6    3rd    NIT Second Round
2000–01    Southern Illinois    16–14    10–8    T–4th    
2001–02    Southern Illinois    28–8    14–4    T–1st    NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03    Southern Illinois    24–7    16–2    1st    NCAA First Round
Southern Illinois:    103–54 (.656)    62–28 (.689)

Illinois Fighting Illini (Big Ten Conference) (2003–2012)
2003–04    Illinois    26–7    13–3    1st    NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2004–05    Illinois    37–2    15–1    1st    NCAA Runner–up
2005–06    Illinois    26–7    11–5    T–2nd    NCAA Second Round
2006–07    Illinois    23–12    9–7    T–4th    NCAA First Round
2007–08    Illinois    16–19    5–13    T–9th    
2008–09    Illinois    24–10    11–7    T–2nd    NCAA First Round
2009–10    Illinois    21–15    10–8    5th    NIT Quarterfinals
2010–11    Illinois    20–14    9–9    T–4th    NCAA Third Round
2011–12    Illinois    17–15    6–12    9th    
Illinois:    210–101 (.675)    89–65 (.578)

Kansas State Wildcats (Big 12 Conference) (2012–present)
2012–13    Kansas State    27–8    14–4    T–1st    NCAA Second Round
2013–14    Kansas State    20–13    10–8    5th    NCAA Second Round
2014–15    Kansas State    7–6    0–0
   
The biggest outlier years were the terrible teams of 2007-08 and 2011-12, and he's otherwise been pretty damn solid to pretty damn great. The 2011-12 season is partly explained by the fact he was obviously done at Illinois and the he totally lost his team. That leaves one unexplained bad data point. That's why I thought the whole hue and cry about him being a loser coach was stupid, irrational and unsupported by data. He might be awkward and an unsexy hire, but he wins.

But I'm at a total loss as to why this team is so horrible. We are obviously going to finish with a losing record (only happened once before in his career) and will likely be oscar's worst team ever.

Still, given his 17-season track record of evidence to the contrary, I think it's crazy to have predicted KSU would be horrible this year, and chum's example of winning the lottery is appropriate. I'm just totally blown away by how bad we are.

[CHONGS]

The biggest outlier years were the terrible teams of 2007-08 and 2011-12, and he's otherwise been pretty damn solid to pretty damn great. The 2011-12 season is partly explained by the fact he was obviously done at Illinois and the he totally lost his team. That leaves one unexplained bad data point. That's why I thought the whole hue and cry about him being a loser coach was stupid, irrational and unsupported by data. He might be awkward and an unsexy hire, but he wins.

OK, but if 2007-08 is an outlier than so is 2004-05 (in fact it is even more so).  Remove those two seasons and tell me there still isn't a downward trend.

[GregKSU1027]

Didn't he win like big 12 honors or something last year. That's something.

[michigancat]

Still, given his 17-season track record of evidence to the contrary, I think it's crazy to have predicted KSU would be horrible this year, and chum's example of winning the lottery is appropriate. I'm just totally blown away by how bad we are.

I'm still not sure we'll finish as bad as those two random horrible seasons at Illinois, but the fact that those two seasons existed (with pretty decent rosters that he assembled), our results this year, although unexpected, shouldn't come as a huge shock.

[_33]

oscar Weber should remain our head coach because who cares anyway.

[420seriouscat69]

We owe him a significant amount of money that would hinder us from replacing him with a suitable candidate.

This.

[EMAWican]

oscar Weber has already broken/set records, and has a high probability to break several historic records at K-State this year. #recordbreaker