K-State vs Auburn - Serious Game Discussion Thread (No Bullshit)

[AU_Tigers]

I can't believe I skimmed this whole thread.

You are better for it.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

I can't believe I skimmed this whole thread.

as much as you don't wanna love k-state sports... you can't fully let go.

 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???

 

[sak]

Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???

 

no. he spells it nick.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???

 

Just tryna save one of those 140, playa.

[millertime]

I haven't really been able to watch auburn this year, but I was able to get quite a bit about what their offense liked to do last year from the title game.

When running the read option in the first half, the fullback was what made Auburn successful against Florida State. He would take two guys out of each play by making the DE take a bad angle at the ball carrier before continuing on to block a LB or DB. Florida State eventually figured out in the 2nd half that it's best to just have the DE eat up the block and let the guys behind him come up to make the tackle. I have no idea if they still run it like that this year, but if they do, Mueller and Willis need to eat up that block and someone else needs to be in position to make the tackle.

[AU_Tigers]

I haven't really been able to watch auburn this year, but I was able to get quite a bit about what their offense liked to do last year from the title game.

When running the read option in the first half, the fullback was what made Auburn successful against Florida State. He would take two guys out of each play by making the DE take a bad angle at the ball carrier before continuing on to block a LB or DB. Florida State eventually figured out in the 2nd half that it's best to just have the DE eat up the block and let the guys behind him come up to make the tackle. I have no idea if they still run it like that this year, but if they do, Mueller and Willis need to eat up that block and someone else needs to be in position to make the tackle.

Pretty astute observations.

This year the song sounds the same buy we have some different instruments in the band. The FB is not in the NFL, and his replacement (H-Back) isn't the blocker that Prosch was, but he is more versatile out of the backfield. We have more playmakers at wideout and out of the slot. Other than that it is pretty similar.

[Weagle72]

I miss Jay Prosch(FB) for Auburn. Honestly, this game scares the Hell out of me for the Tigers. Nonetheless, I think it will be a good test for both teams. For Kansas State, it seems to be a way to get some more respect that they have not been given by the media this season. For Auburn, this is the first of many ulcer inducing road games. In addition to the K-State game, Auburn has road games at # 10 Ole Miss, # 13 Georgia and at # 3 Alabama, not to mention home games versus the Aggies, LSU  and South Carolina.
I think this will be a good game and a close one. For both teams conference play is looming.
Here is to hoping for a good game with no injuries!

[FadeMeAU]

Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???

 

It's a gang thing. He doesn't spell his name on social media with "ck" because he doesn't want to be viewed as a crip killer!

[Benja]

How serious has this threads football talk been? Pretty serious I bet.

[FadeMeAU]

I haven't really been able to watch auburn this year, but I was able to get quite a bit about what their offense liked to do last year from the title game.

When running the read option in the first half, the fullback was what made Auburn successful against Florida State. He would take two guys out of each play by making the DE take a bad angle at the ball carrier before continuing on to block a LB or DB. Florida State eventually figured out in the 2nd half that it's best to just have the DE eat up the block and let the guys behind him come up to make the tackle. I have no idea if they still run it like that this year, but if they do, Mueller and Willis need to eat up that block and someone else needs to be in position to make the tackle.

We're still running something like that. The HBack is trying to influence the read DE inside and then trying to get a block on the second level when Marshall keeps on the inverted veer. If the DE crashes, the HBack will get a chip if possible and move to the next level and seal. Part of the difficulty in defending Gus's offense is not all of the plays are designed to be a read. Some are a straight give or straight keep. They just look like read plays. This can cause conflicting keys and assignments for defenders. Plus, HBacks and Linemen pulling and blocking in opposite directions causes confusion as well. You have to be very disciplined as a defense and pretty athletic on the edges to get off some blocks and make plays in space. It's a tough task to stop it, but eventually someone is going to slow it down with the right gameplan or personnel.

[cas4ksu]

Auburn folks,

I was looking over your box scores from last season and came across this:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332570002

Granted, it was the 3rd game of the season. But Prescott's 122 yds on the ground jump out. I haven't seen much concern from Auburn fans about stopping the QB run game. Auburn did a good job against Manziel stopping him on the ground for the most part and shaking him up even. Then again with Missouri, Franklin didn't do much with his legs.

I found the MS St. stats interesting because earlier in the week a media member asked Malzahn if Waters reminded him of Dak Prescott and I believe he said something to the effect of "sorta".

Curious to see if you AU fans are concerned at all with the QB run game.

[AU_Tigers]

Auburn folks,

I was looking over your box scores from last season and came across this:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332570002

Granted, it was the 3rd game of the season. But Prescott's 122 yds on the ground jump out. I haven't seen much concern from Auburn fans about stopping the QB run game. Auburn did a good job against Manziel stopping him on the ground for the most part and shaking him up even. Then again with Missouri, Franklin didn't do much with his legs.

I found the MS St. stats interesting because earlier in the week a media member asked Malzahn if Waters reminded him of Dak Prescott and I believe he said something to the effect of "sorta".

Curious to see if you AU fans are concerned at all with the QB run game.

Not really, although I am sure Waters will get some runs in. Our LB's are very athletic and should be able to contain him pretty well. That Miss State game was very early in last year's season - our personnel have been in this system for a long time now. I think the TAM game will be more telling about how the D will work against Waters.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I miss Jay Prosch(FB) for Auburn. Honestly, this game scares the Hell out of me for the Tigers. Nonetheless, I think it will be a good test for both teams. For Kansas State, it seems to be a way to get some more respect that they have not been given by the media this season. For Auburn, this is the first of many ulcer inducing road games. In addition to the K-State game, Auburn has road games at # 10 Ole Miss, # 13 Georgia and at # 3 Alabama, not to mention home games versus the Aggies, LSU  and South Carolina.
I think this will be a good game and a close one. For both teams conference play is looming.
Here is to hoping for a good game with no injuries!

You should know by now that olé miss, uga and usc are all dogshit.  FWIW, we used to beat aTm and Mizzou like rented mules.

[FadeMeAU]

Auburn folks,

I was looking over your box scores from last season and came across this:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332570002

Granted, it was the 3rd game of the season. But Prescott's 122 yds on the ground jump out. I haven't seen much concern from Auburn fans about stopping the QB run game. Auburn did a good job against Manziel stopping him on the ground for the most part and shaking him up even. Then again with Missouri, Franklin didn't do much with his legs.

I found the MS St. stats interesting because earlier in the week a media member asked Malzahn if Waters reminded him of Dak Prescott and I believe he said something to the effect of "sorta".

Curious to see if you AU fans are concerned at all with the QB run game.

It's probably my biggest concern for this game defensively. I've mentioned it in some other posts here. And it wasn't just Prescott. Aaron Murray, Bo Wallace, and others had success running the QB draw when they needed first downs last season. Manziel was really the only QB that was a big run threat that we contained. But he torched our secondary. So, I don't know which was better. It was quite frustrating. I expect to be frustrated by Waters in this game.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

It wasn't that long ago that we had a sieve-like defense, so we can definitely relate.  It's simply maddening, especially with such a good offense.   What surprises me more than anything though is the fact that all the AU folks are more concerned with our QB run game than anything.  That's really not the strength of our offense, yet that's what AU coaches, fans and media alike have all mentioned first.  Perhaps the utilization of Waters the first two weeks is Snyder's greatest scheme job to date?

I think you've got a pretty good handle on what to expect, Fade. Most AU folks on here have no clue whatsoever about football as it exists outside of the SEC, so they just believe what the mediots at E$PN tell them rather than digging in to the facts as you have.  I've thought that this would be a one score game either way since bowl season. 

As it nears, I get more and more comfy with our prospects for a win based mostly on the fact that I'm of the belief that, although a different style, our offense is equally efficient and I have no doubt whatsoever that we are putting the best defense on the field and the oddsmakers sort of confirmed that with setting the total as low as they did.

[Trogdor]

Switching gears, is the ESPN commercial for the game floating around anywhere on the interweb? Dont have cable and want to see it

[PoetWarrior]

Auburn check these* out, man.

[cas4ksu]

It wasn't that long ago that we had a sieve-like defense, so we can definitely relate.  It's simply maddening, especially with such a good offense.   What surprises me more than anything though is the fact that all the AU folks are more concerned with our QB run game than anything.  That's really not the strength of our offense, yet that's what AU coaches, fans and media alike have all mentioned first.  Perhaps the utilization of Waters the first two weeks is Snyder's greatest scheme job to date?

I think you've got a pretty good handle on what to expect, Fade. Most AU folks on here have no clue whatsoever about football as it exists outside of the SEC, so they just believe what the mediots at E$PN tell them rather than digging in to the facts as you have.  I've thought that this would be a one score game either way since bowl season. 

As it nears, I get more and more comfy with our prospects for a win based mostly on the fact that I'm of the belief that, although a different style, our offense is equally efficient and I have no doubt whatsoever that we are putting the best defense on the field and the oddsmakers sort of confirmed that with setting the total as low as they did.

I agree with the first part of that completely. I think the Waters run game was used against ISU as more of a necessity rather than a staple of the offense. I bet Snyds wanted to keep that a little closer to the vest than he did, but now that it's out-- play it as his strength.

Ideally, we are spreading them out and using a balanced attack of throwing, running with the RB, play action, and running with the QB to keep the defense on their toes.

However, I am in total wait and see mode on our defense. I think our front 7 is right there against a team like Auburn. But the back 4 are what is going to decide this game on the defensive side and that is by making tackles in the open field and not getting sucked in on PA and leaving a receiver uncovered. 

[FadeMeAU]

It wasn't that long ago that we had a sieve-like defense, so we can definitely relate.  It's simply maddening, especially with such a good offense.   What surprises me more than anything though is the fact that all the AU folks are more concerned with our QB run game than anything.  That's really not the strength of our offense, yet that's what AU coaches, fans and media alike have all mentioned first.  Perhaps the utilization of Waters the first two weeks is Snyder's greatest scheme job to date?

I think you've got a pretty good handle on what to expect, Fade. Most AU folks on here have no clue whatsoever about football as it exists outside of the SEC, so they just believe what the mediots at E$PN tell them rather than digging in to the facts as you have.  I've thought that this would be a one score game either way since bowl season. 

As it nears, I get more and more comfy with our prospects for a win based mostly on the fact that I'm of the belief that, although a different style, our offense is equally efficient and I have no doubt whatsoever that we are putting the best defense on the field and the oddsmakers sort of confirmed that with setting the total as low as they did.

Like I said in one of my first posts here, Gus's offense is a variation of Snyder's offense. He's added some different pieces and schemes, but the base design of the offense is the same. Formations and motions may be different, but the keys and principles are definitely the same. I just can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing. We know what the offense is and how it works,but we also know how successful we are running our version of it. So, it will be interesting to see if we can stop a variation of our run game. KState is a more polished passing team, but I think Auburn has more threats outside. It's just a matter of if Marshall can get them the ball.

I think what makes me nervous is we do things really well but can be inconsistent whereas KSU is more disciplined and consistent on both sides of the ball. Does Auburn have an athletic advantage? Maybe at some positions. Can Auburn exploit those possible mismatches and make KState become less disciplined and less consistent? We will find out Thursday, and that will determine the outcome.

[Trogdor]

Saying that Gus's O is a variation of Snyder's is like saying that a limo is like a sedan because they're both cars. Theyre totally different.

[GoodForAnother]

Snyder's offense is just whatever he feels like running that particular year, so idk how you can definitively say that

[FadeMeAU]

Snyder's offense is just whatever he feels like running that particular year, so idk how you can definitively say that

I stand corrected.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Snyder's offense is just whatever he feels like running that particular year, so idk how you can definitively say that

I stand corrected.

There are some minor similarities in the two offenses, but ours has a ton more power principles (pulling linemen, etc), whereas the AU offense is more veer/inverted veer by nature. 

Both, however, are scheming to get numbers on one side and/or create one-on-one matchups in space for the playmakers. 

HTH

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