The thing that's struck me most about the "message boarding" across lines for this game so far is that it is almost IDENTICAL to that which occurred just over a year ago with the good people from NDSU.
Except... the tables were turned and WE were the bigger, faster, more athletic team from the "power" conference and they were just a well schooled, fundamentally sound, hard working group of quality athletes that believed they could win when nobody gave them any shot. This entire attitude permeated throughout our entire fanbase save for a very few who would say "It might be a close game" and even fewer who actually gave them any shot of actually pulling off the un-imaginable.
I admit to falling prey to it myself and even convinced myself that our coaches would have our kids ready and convinced of the challenge they faced in the Bison. Not until after we lost a game we probably shouldn't have did we find out that our kids took NDSU a bit for granted, and why wouldn't they? Save for a few coaches trying to tell our youngsters what they were up against; the media, the fans, their friends and teammates all believed our team should win by 14-20 points without prepping like it was a "championship game". Guess what? That game was NDSU's "Super Bowl" and it showed on the field.
I'm not guaranteeing we will win, but what I do know is that our kids are treating this game EXACTLY the same way that NDSU treated their game with us. I am of the belief that while the Auburn kids are likely focused and doing their best to prepare for this as if it were just another non-con road game, there is NO WAY I can be convinced that there is the same focus and intensity in the preparation that's taking place at Auburn.
Just a little food for thought as to why I, amongst others, believe we will win this game. It makes NO sense whatsoever on paper to the casual observer and having fallen prey to the "there's no way we can lose to these guys" syndrome just 12 months ago, I understand exactly why every Auburn fan with an internet connection feels the same way as I did.
ill admit I havent watched KSU play yet, but have you watched AU's defense? I see some problems there.
I fear an Oregon-like experience where our hard-working / focused athletes are admirable, but don't have a match for the speed that Auburn will bring to the table. We hope that's not the case, but the speed Auburn has on both sides of the ball will make it very difficult for the 'Cats to score and defend either Auburn's run or pass game. :dubious:
I honestly expect a close, hard fought game that is still in question when the 4th quarter begins. My gut tells me that Auburn then pulls away and goes on for a 14-17 point win, but who knows really? Weather can play a huge factor as well. You guys haven't yet seen anything like ourheat and humidityteam speed. I don't say that to be cocky, just that Malzahn is just a damn beast when it comes to running the HUNH offense. I was amazed myself watching the 2009 team when he first cam in as the OC. It's something that you have to prepare a long time for and Arkansas may have had the best shot of anyone yet. They kept them under 50...
I fear an Oregon-like experience where our hard-working / focused athletes are admirable, but don't have a match for the speed that Auburn will bring to the table. We hope that's not the case, but the speed Auburn has on both sides of the ball will make it very difficult for the 'Cats to score and defend either Auburn's run or pass game. :dubious:
I honestly expect a close, hard fought game that is still in question when the 4th quarter begins. My gut tells me that Auburn then pulls away and goes on for a 14-17 point win, but who knows really? Weather can play a huge factor as well. You guys haven't yet seen anything like ourheat and humidityteam speed. I don't say that to be cocky, just that Malzahn is just a damn beast when it comes to running the HUNH offense. I was amazed myself watching the 2009 team when he first cam in as the OC. It's something that you have to prepare a long time for and Arkansas may have had the best shot of anyone yet. They kept them under 50...
It just sucks that we have to wait another week to find out who is right.
... I think it's important to know that we didn't lose any games by more than 10 points last year and I'm of the belief that OU, Okie Lite and Baylor were all better teams than Auburn last year.
Statistical analysis of last season (I know, that's last season...) shows that our teams were almost dead even in '13. Where you guys had a couple miraculous wins and some real luck at aggy, we were the polar opposite when it came to getting breaks at the end of games. Our 8-5 was just as close to being 11-2 as your 12-2 was to being 9-5 if that makes sense.
heres the thing... GM's coaching staff seems to be different than AU staffs of the past.. they now seem to be able to actually develop the talent they are getting. I would hope this also translates to not looking at this as your run of the mill OOC game.
Besides that, Im very happy with our special teams. Obviously last year had some nice surprises, and we seem to have a great punter as well.
What are your predictions as far as running vs passing on AU?
... I think it's important to know that we didn't lose any games by more than 10 points last year and I'm of the belief that OU, Okie Lite and Baylor were all better teams than Auburn last year.
Statistical analysis of last season (I know, that's last season...) shows that our teams were almost dead even in '13. Where you guys had a couple miraculous wins and some real luck at aggy, we were the polar opposite when it came to getting breaks at the end of games. Our 8-5 was just as close to being 11-2 as your 12-2 was to being 9-5 if that makes sense.
I cant agree with you there.. do you believe KSU or OU, Okie Lite and Baylor would have taken it to FSU for 59:47 last year?
EDIT: on your 8-5, 11-2, 12-2, 9-5 thign, yes, AU was fortunate when they needed it the most, but look at how close the BCSCG was
Truest thing posted so far. While I try not to scoff at your 14-17 point victory prediction, I think it's important to know that we didn't lose any games by more than 10 points last year and I'm of the belief that OU, Okie Lite and Baylor were all better teams than Auburn last year.
Statistical analysis of last season (I know, that's last season...) shows that our teams were almost dead even in '13. Where you guys had a couple miraculous wins and some real luck at aggy, we were the polar opposite when it came to getting breaks at the end of games. Our 8-5 was just as close to being 11-2 as your 12-2 was to being 9-5 if that makes sense.
heres the thing... GM's coaching staff seems to be different than AU staffs of the past.. they now seem to be able to actually develop the talent they are getting. I would hope this also translates to not looking at this as your run of the mill OOC game.
Besides that, Im very happy with our special teams. Obviously last year had some nice surprises, and we seem to have a great punter as well.
What are your predictions as far as running vs passing on AU?
... I think it's important to know that we didn't lose any games by more than 10 points last year and I'm of the belief that OU, Okie Lite and Baylor were all better teams than Auburn last year.
Statistical analysis of last season (I know, that's last season...) shows that our teams were almost dead even in '13. Where you guys had a couple miraculous wins and some real luck at aggy, we were the polar opposite when it came to getting breaks at the end of games. Our 8-5 was just as close to being 11-2 as your 12-2 was to being 9-5 if that makes sense.
I cant agree with you there.. do you believe KSU or OU, Okie Lite and Baylor would have taken it to FSU for 59:47 last year?
EDIT: on your 8-5, 11-2, 12-2, 9-5 thign, yes, AU was fortunate when they needed it the most, but look at how close the BCSCG was
OSU was a much better team last year than they are this year and they played FSU pretty close a couple of weeks ago.
I gotta get back to my own world. The longer I stay here, the more frightened I get.
It could be seriousI gotta get back to my own world. The longer I stay here, the more frightened I get.
Before you go, what do you know about the seriousness of the Sammie Coates knee injury? I know he missed the SJSU game because of it...
:Wha:
It could be seriousI gotta get back to my own world. The longer I stay here, the more frightened I get.
Before you go, what do you know about the seriousness of the Sammie Coates knee injury? I know he missed the SJSU game because of it...
:Wha:
It could be seriousI gotta get back to my own world. The longer I stay here, the more frightened I get.
Before you go, what do you know about the seriousness of the Sammie Coates knee injury? I know he missed the SJSU game because of it...
:Wha:
why such a struggle against ISU? What do you see yourself doing so much better at this Thurs?
You guys haven't yet seen anything like ourheat and humidityteam speed. I don't say that to be cocky, just that Malzahn is just a damn beast when it comes to running the HUNH offense.
why such a struggle against ISU? What do you see yourself doing so much better at this Thurs?
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
heres the thing... GM's coaching staff seems to be different than AU staffs of the past.. they now seem to be able to actually develop the talent they are getting. I would hope this also translates to not looking at this as your run of the mill OOC game.
Besides that, Im very happy with our special teams. Obviously last year had some nice surprises, and we seem to have a great punter as well.
What are your predictions as far as running vs passing on AU?
Hopefully it will make sense this way... Do you think your kids are approaching this game with the same intensity as say, the Iron Bowl? the SEC CCG? the BCS game? I have it on good authority that our kids are, which IMHO, gives us a reasonable edge in preparation.
As for predictions for what we'll do running vs passing on AU... The belief is that you have faster athletes and anybody that's ever been around football know you run straight at speed, which happens to coincide with what we are best at in the running game. LHCBS will seek balance in the offense and will exploit any edge we have or deficiency he can find in your defensive tapes with our passing game.
I suspect you don't have anybody on the roster that can cover #16. If it makes you feel any better, he made a fourth round & first round corner look foolish last fall & totaling 12 REC, 278 YDS, 3 TD vs OU (Colvin) and 8 REC, 123 YDS, 1 TD vs TCU (Verrett)
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.
Auburn isn't as good as Baylor was last year. If we can run against them as well as we ran against Baylor, I really like our chances.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.
Auburn isn't as good as Baylor was last year. If we can run against them as well as we ran against Baylor, I really like our chances.
I'm honestly not sure how well you will run on this defense. I mean that to say I have no idea. I do know; however, you should sling it all over the yard on our defensive backs.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.
Auburn isn't as good as Baylor was last year. If we can run against them as well as we ran against Baylor, I really like our chances.
I'm honestly not sure how well you will run on this defense. I mean that to say I have no idea. I do know; however, you should sling it all over the yard on our defensive backs.
We have a running qb :frown:
Frankenklein trying to be a huge dumbassOptimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Or have Sams to run for 200 yards and eat up clock tho.
Frankenklein trying to be a huge dumbassOptimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Or have Sams to run for 200 yards and eat up clock tho.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.
Auburn isn't as good as Baylor was last year. If we can run against them as well as we ran against Baylor, I really like our chances.
I'm honestly not sure how well you will run on this defense. I mean that to say I have no idea. I do know; however, you should sling it all over the yard on our defensive backs.
When God is on your side you don't need luck.
Frankenklein trying to be a huge dumbassOptimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Or have Sams to run for 200 yards and eat up clock tho.
actually was more pissed at the coaches for having him throw at that point, we had enough time and Sams was a one man wrecking crew running the ball that day.I guess I was being a dumbass thoFrankenklein trying to be a huge dumbassOptimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Or have Sams to run for 200 yards and eat up clock tho.
No kidding. As someone who liked both QBs and was never a frontrunner, I don't know how you can not credit Sams with keeping that game close. The pick killed us, yes. But if Waters plays that whole game we lose by like 50.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.We don't have Sams around to throw that last pic tho.
Sadly, we also don't appear to have as good of a defense, which is probably the more important factor.
I'm honestly not sure how well you will run on this defense. I mean that to say I have no idea. I do know; however, you should sling it all over the yard on our defensive backs.
Yes, i also would enjoy winning more than the alternative, well spoke.
uh ohYes, i also would enjoy winning more than the alternative, well spoke.
How do you know that MBC is black?
It was a joke about gpc.uh ohYes, i also would enjoy winning more than the alternative, well spoke.
How do you know that MBC is black?
However, Malzahn has shown in the past he is more than willing to go for 4th and 3 and in when within FG range.
I honestly expect a close, hard fought game that is still in question when the 4th quarter begins. My gut tells me that Auburn then pulls away and goes on for a 14-17 point win, but who knows really? Weather can play a huge factor as well. You guys haven't yet seen anything like ourheat and humidityteam speed. I don't say that to be cocky, just that Malzahn is just a damn beast when it comes to running the HUNH offense. I was amazed myself watching the 2009 team when he first cam in as the OC. It's something that you have to prepare a long time for and Arkansas may have had the best shot of anyone yet. They kept them under 50...
Perhaps your offense will seem to be in slow motion to our youngsters. A quick search of the web turned up: http://247sports.com/Article/Looking-at-the-pace-of-play-in-college-football-fastest-teams-29893036
It seems that Tech (#1) & Baylor(#6) both were in the top 6 of plays per game, with UT at #21 while Auburn failed to make the top 25. Also, as to actual "pace" or time it takes to snap the ball, Tech was #2, Baylor #4 and UT #20... Again, no Auburn.
It's funny you mention arky though... We are getting WAY more out of that game scout than you could ever imagine. :fatty:It just sucks that we have to wait another week to find out who is right.
Truest thing posted so far. While I try not to scoff at your 14-17 point victory prediction, I think it's important to know that we didn't lose any games by more than 10 points last year and I'm of the belief that OU, Okie Lite and Baylor were all better teams than Auburn last year.
Statistical analysis of last season (I know, that's last season...) shows that our teams were almost dead even in '13. Where you guys had a couple miraculous wins and some real luck at aggy, we were the polar opposite when it came to getting breaks at the end of games. Our 8-5 was just as close to being 11-2 as your 12-2 was to being 9-5 if that makes sense.
Optimistically I feel it could be like the Baylor game last year. We scheme it up to keep it close but don't really have the identity or talent yet to overcome a really good team.
Auburn isn't as good as Baylor was last year. If we can run against them as well as we ran against Baylor, I really like our chances.
Repeat to yourself: college football does not follow the transitive property.
Truman must play a better game. His performance against ISU was inexcusable.
Key stats to watch:
-3rd down defense
-RZ efficiency
-Avg. starting field position
-If Auburn has under 225~ish yds of rushing.
Bending (holding them to 3 instead of 7) and not breaking is going to paramount in this game. However, Malzahn has shown in the past he is more than willing to go for 4th and 3 and in when within FG range.
I'm going to watch both of Auburn's games so far this season later today.
Hearing rumblings that the ol' ball coach (LHC Bill Snyder) has some tricks up his sleeve planned for Thurs. Anyone confirm?Can confirm. Heard he will have some deep sleeves too.
Hearing rumblings that the ol' ball coach (LHC Bill Snyder) has some tricks up his sleeve planned for Thurs. Anyone confirm?Can confirm. Heard he will have some deep sleeves too.
I honestly expect a close, hard fought game that is still in question when the 4th quarter begins. My gut tells me that Auburn then pulls away and goes on for a 14-17 point win, but who knows really? Weather can play a huge factor as well. You guys haven't yet seen anything like ourheat and humidityteam speed. I don't say that to be cocky, just that Malzahn is just a damn beast when it comes to running the HUNH offense. I was amazed myself watching the 2009 team when he first cam in as the OC. It's something that you have to prepare a long time for and Arkansas may have had the best shot of anyone yet. They kept them under 50...
Perhaps your offense will seem to be in slow motion to our youngsters. A quick search of the web turned up: http://247sports.com/Article/Looking-at-the-pace-of-play-in-college-football-fastest-teams-29893036
It seems that Tech (#1) & Baylor(#6) both were in the top 6 of plays per game, with UT at #21 while Auburn failed to make the top 25. Also, as to actual "pace" or time it takes to snap the ball, Tech was #2, Baylor #4 and UT #20... Again, no Auburn.
It's funny you mention arky though... We are getting WAY more out of that game scout than you could ever imagine. :fatty:It just sucks that we have to wait another week to find out who is right.
Truest thing posted so far. While I try not to scoff at your 14-17 point victory prediction, I think it's important to know that we didn't lose any games by more than 10 points last year and I'm of the belief that OU, Okie Lite and Baylor were all better teams than Auburn last year.
Statistical analysis of last season (I know, that's last season...) shows that our teams were almost dead even in '13. Where you guys had a couple miraculous wins and some real luck at aggy, we were the polar opposite when it came to getting breaks at the end of games. Our 8-5 was just as close to being 11-2 as your 12-2 was to being 9-5 if that makes sense.
LOL. a team that lost to 4-8 West Virginia and a team that was handled by Missouri (a team Auburn defeated by 17) was better than Auburn? Okay. And Baylor? LOL. Please... they gave up more than half a hundred to Central Florida, a team that was beaten (at home, no less) by an SEC team that didn't even reach the SEC title game. Baylor is fine when they go up against bad teams. They score 70 routinely. But they are pretty mediocre when they go up against top flight competition, or teams with just really good athletes. Oklahoma embarrassed them. Even Texas beat them.
I guess you can make the argument that Oklahoma was better than Auburn, but I guess I missed their BCS National Championship game apperance.
Truman must play a better game. His performance against ISU was inexcusable.
Key stats to watch:
-3rd down defense
-RZ efficiency
-Avg. starting field position
-If Auburn has under 225~ish yds of rushing.
Bending (holding them to 3 instead of 7) and not breaking is going to paramount in this game. However, Malzahn has shown in the past he is more than willing to go for 4th and 3 and in when within FG range.
I'm going to watch both of Auburn's games so far this season later today.
I watched the first half of Auburn vs pig aggy last night and was hard pressed to think of a Big12 team that plays worse defense than Auburn, and I'm including ku... I'm not even gE'ing here. You'll see what I mean when you watch...
The QB running lanes, receivers just completely ignored/forgotten, etc. It's no wonder why they ended up #86 in total defense last year. Some of it was poor scheme and some of it just completely blown assignments.
USCRepeat to yourself: college football does not follow the transitive property.
that is a solid FACT this year. just look at the rankings after South Carolina beat GA. and I think it happened with another set of teams as well.
I think we will play the corners 10 yards off the line of scrimmage and just line up with 7 in the box. We will keep the ball in front of us and then run up and make a tackle after a 3-5 yard gain on most plays. We will hope they commit a penalty or turn the ball over before they get all the way down the field.
LOL. a team that lost to 4-8 West Virginia and a team that was handled by Missouri (a team Auburn defeated by 17) was better than Auburn? Okay. And Baylor? LOL. Please... they gave up more than half a hundred to Central Florida, a team that was beaten (at home, no less) by an SEC team that didn't even reach the SEC title game. Baylor is fine when they go up against bad teams. They score 70 routinely. But they are pretty mediocre when they go up against top flight competition, or teams with just really good athletes. Oklahoma embarrassed them. Even Texas beat them.
I guess you can make the argument that Oklahoma was better than Auburn, but I guess I missed their BCS National Championship game apperance.
Repeat to yourself: college football does not follow the transitive property.
What scheme will we run? I say press man on the outside with a deep safety and 8 in the box? Is that even a scheme? Man I could really use a _FANframes right now.
I agree completely, _FAN. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hayes use various disguises to utilize both cover 3 and cover 6 vs Marshall in order to keep people as close to the box as possible as well as to confuse him as to what our DBs will do post snap in the case of a pass play.
As for scheming offensively, there are a LOT of glaring holes in Auburn's defense that had yet to be rectified as late as the SJSU game. Maybe they've gotten them all fixed since they last played, but much of the same problems from last year are rearing their ugly heads again from what I've seen.
LOL. a team that lost to 4-8 West Virginia and a team that was handled by Missouri (a team Auburn defeated by 17) was better than Auburn? Okay. And Baylor? LOL. Please... they gave up more than half a hundred to Central Florida, a team that was beaten (at home, no less) by an SEC team that didn't even reach the SEC title game. Baylor is fine when they go up against bad teams. They score 70 routinely. But they are pretty mediocre when they go up against top flight competition, or teams with just really good athletes. Oklahoma embarrassed them. Even Texas beat them.
I guess you can make the argument that Oklahoma was better than Auburn, but I guess I missed their BCS National Championship game apperance.
Interesting that you call Oklahoma State "that team that was handled by Missouri" (which you know is a lie ) instead of "that team that barely lost to #1 Florida State (who defeated Auburn) due to a late QB fumble."Repeat to yourself: college football does not follow the transitive property.
LOL. a team that lost to 4-8 West Virginia and a team that was handled by Missouri (a team Auburn defeated by 17) was better than Auburn? Okay. And Baylor? LOL. Please... they gave up more than half a hundred to Central Florida, a team that was beaten (at home, no less) by an SEC team that didn't even reach the SEC title game. Baylor is fine when they go up against bad teams. They score 70 routinely. But they are pretty mediocre when they go up against top flight competition, or teams with just really good athletes. Oklahoma embarrassed them. Even Texas beat them.
I guess you can make the argument that Oklahoma was better than Auburn, but I guess I missed their BCS National Championship game apperance.
Interesting that you call Oklahoma State "that team that was handled by Missouri" (which you know is a lie ) instead of "that team that barely lost to #1 Florida State (who defeated Auburn) due to a late QB fumble."Repeat to yourself: college football does not follow the transitive property.
oklahoma state beat baylor by 32 points last year. auburn beat missouri by 17.
and yes, oklahoma state played florida state close. in 2014. florida state hasn't looked nearly as sharp so far this year as they did last year.
and for what its worth, auburn played florida state "closer" than oklahoma state did.
but regardless, all of the teams mentioned in this post are better than kansas state in 2013 and 2014 respectively.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Better hope that KSU finds some D that can hold Auburn below 40 points and some O that can score more than that, which only happened 3 times last season.
We could really care less about Time of Possession at Auburn. The average scoring drive for Auburn is going to be something like 3 or 4 minutes, at most.
What KSU wants, is to jump out to a BIG lead and make Auburn throw the ball/play catch up. That's all. If you let us play in our comfort zone, it will get ugly.
Don't worry about our defense, it SUCKS and you will have plenty of big plays. I really expect you guys to hang tough until about midway through the 3rd, when the repetition and dullness of Auburn's offense will start to really wear at KSU D mentally.
Worry about our offense, which no one has stopped. I like the stat about 26+ points for KSU. You still need to score more than these totals...
2014: 45, 59 - Not enough stats to really tell how good those D are/are not
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Better hope that KSU finds some D that can hold Auburn below 40 points and some O that can score more than that, which only happened 3 times last season.
Playing at home, on a Thursday night is the best thing that KSU has going for it right now. I think that Thursday night is negated by the fact that we took last week off (and still gave up huge plays!).
You haven't played a team like Kansas State. We will have multiple drives of longer than 8 minutes, and our defense will play a pillow-soft zone that forces you to run more plays than you are accustomed to. This limits the possessions of both teams and magnifies turnovers and penalties.
We could really care less about Time of Possession at Auburn. The average scoring drive for Auburn is going to be something like 3 or 4 minutes, at most.
What KSU wants, is to jump out to a BIG lead and make Auburn throw the ball/play catch up. That's all. If you let us play in our comfort zone, it will get ugly.
I agree completely, _FAN. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hayes use various disguises to utilize both cover 3 and cover 6 vs Marshall in order to keep people as close to the box as possible as well as to confuse him as to what our DBs will do post snap in the case of a pass play.
Good points.
Some other reasons not to play very much man, though once in a while as a change up and to keep Marshall guessing would be good.
1) Zone allows you to keep eyes on the backfield. Your defensive backs can peak at the QB/backfield which also allows them to help out in the running game. Against Auburn you want as many defenders as possible to help against the run. Granted, DBs still have to stay disciplined and read their keys for run/pass in zone coverage or you can still give up big plays, especially with Auburn's POP passing plays.
2) Auburn has big receivers and they destroyed Arkansas' smaller defenders in man coverage on slant routes. Arkansas tried loading the box with man outside and eventually Auburn beat it badly both with the run and pass.QuoteAs for scheming offensively, there are a LOT of glaring holes in Auburn's defense that had yet to be rectified as late as the SJSU game. Maybe they've gotten them all fixed since they last played, but much of the same problems from last year are rearing their ugly heads again from what I've seen.
I think we will find a way to exploit weaknesses in their defense with both run and pass. Snyder has had a top 25 offense every season since he came back and likely will again this year.
Plus, Auburn hasn't played a lot of good teams on the road lately. Last year featured only 4 road games total and only 2 were against teams with winning records (LSU/aTm). They lost one and won the other by 4.
A quick search of http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11 shows that K-State finished 26th in '13. (23rd so far this year)
It will be interesting whether HCBS decides he wants this game played in the 30's or 50's. Either way, our offense vs your defense is a bigger mismatch than your offense vs our defense.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Careful, brotha... You'll have your boy sak curled up in the fetal position if he sees this. His need for our validation is legendary.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Careful, brotha... You'll have your boy sak curled up in the fetal position if he sees this. His need for our validation is legendary.
i don't really care. what i see is a bunch of delusional kansas state fans who think they have the horses to run with auburn.
you are the 8th best team on our schedule. maybe.
we are no worse than the 2nd best team on your schedule as you will soon find out.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Careful, brotha... You'll have your boy sak curled up in the fetal position if he sees this. His need for our validation is legendary.
i don't really care. what i see is a bunch of delusional kansas state fans who think they have the horses to run with auburn.
you are the 8th best team on our schedule. maybe.
we are no worse than the 2nd best team on your schedule as you will soon find out.
I agree completely, _FAN. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hayes use various disguises to utilize both cover 3 and cover 6 vs Marshall in order to keep people as close to the box as possible as well as to confuse him as to what our DBs will do post snap in the case of a pass play.
As for scheming offensively, there are a LOT of glaring holes in Auburn's defense that had yet to be rectified as late as the SJSU game. Maybe they've gotten them all fixed since they last played, but much of the same problems from last year are rearing their ugly heads again from what I've seen.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Careful, brotha... You'll have your boy sak curled up in the fetal position if he sees this. His need for our validation is legendary.
i don't really care. what i see is a bunch of delusional kansas state fans who think they have the horses to run with auburn.
you are the 8th best team on our schedule. maybe.
we are no worse than the 2nd best team on your schedule as you will soon find out.
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Careful, brotha... You'll have your boy sak curled up in the fetal position if he sees this. His need for our validation is legendary.
i don't really care. what i see is a bunch of delusional kansas state fans who think they have the horses to run with auburn.
you are the 8th best team on our schedule. maybe.
we are no worse than the 2nd best team on your schedule as you will soon find out.
GTFOH... Did you not see the part of the thread title that says "(No Bullshit)"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
A quick search of http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11 shows that K-State finished 26th in '13. (23rd so far this year)
It will be interesting whether HCBS decides he wants this game played in the 30's or 50's. Either way, our offense vs your defense is a bigger mismatch than your offense vs our defense.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1042/p1 is what I looked at. 35th this season (Auburn is 46th http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1042/p1)
Hrmmm... maybe I'm looking at 2012 stats, I'll dig in further soon.
Just to add fuel to the fire here, Auburn is 0-for its last 4 road OOC games. The last win was in 1997 at Virginia.
Careful, brotha... You'll have your boy sak curled up in the fetal position if he sees this. His need for our validation is legendary.
i don't really care. what i see is a bunch of delusional kansas state fans who think they have the horses to run with auburn.
you are the 8th best team on our schedule. maybe.
we are no worse than the 2nd best team on your schedule as you will soon find out.
GTFOH... Did you not see the part of the thread title that says "(No Bullshit)"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Georgia, South Carolina, and Missouri would all be favored against Kansas State on a neutral field.
If Auburn ends up reaching the national title game, this could be the 11th best team Auburn faces!
I even like points/possession better.
A quick search of http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MFB&division=11 shows that K-State finished 26th in '13. (23rd so far this year)
It will be interesting whether HCBS decides he wants this game played in the 30's or 50's. Either way, our offense vs your defense is a bigger mismatch than your offense vs our defense.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1042/p1 is what I looked at. 35th this season (Auburn is 46th http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1042/p1)
Hrmmm... maybe I'm looking at 2012 stats, I'll dig in further soon.
Its much more beneficial to look at both yards per play and points per play for defensive strength because you get a much more accurate look based on the pace that teams like to play at, especially when comparing a team that likes to play slower like K-State.
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-points-per-play
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-yards-per-play
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Total Defense isn't a stat that K-State cares about. The goal of a K-State defense is to make the team run as many plays as possible to get those yards, thus increasing the odds of a mistake. If f K-State can force a team to run 15 plays it is more likely that team will turn it over, have a drive killing penalty, take a sack, or some other critical mistake than score a touchdown. Keep as many plays to 5 yards or less and force a team to string them together. Basically bend but don't break.
not very
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Total Defense isn't a stat that K-State cares about. The goal of a K-State defense is to make the team run as many plays as possible to get those yards, thus increasing the odds of a mistake. If f K-State can force a team to run 15 plays it is more likely that team will turn it over, have a drive killing penalty, take a sack, or some other critical mistake than score a touchdown. Keep as many plays to 5 yards or less and force a team to string them together. Basically bend but don't break.
I think that's the only way to play Auburn, the only problem is that it requires incredible discipline.
How big are your DBs? Serious question.
I even like points/possession better.
not very
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Total Defense isn't a stat that K-State cares about. The goal of a K-State defense is to make the team run as many plays as possible to get those yards, thus increasing the odds of a mistake. If f K-State can force a team to run 15 plays it is more likely that team will turn it over, have a drive killing penalty, take a sack, or some other critical mistake than score a touchdown. Keep as many plays to 5 yards or less and force a team to string them together. Basically bend but don't break.
I think that's the only way to play Auburn, the only problem is that it requires incredible discipline.
How big are your DBs? Serious question.
For Auburn to be successful defensively, they are going to have to stay home. Snyder runs a lot of misdirection. They are also going to have to make solo tackles. Based upon what I have seen, I think Auburn is going to have a lot of trouble.
not very
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Total Defense isn't a stat that K-State cares about. The goal of a K-State defense is to make the team run as many plays as possible to get those yards, thus increasing the odds of a mistake. If f K-State can force a team to run 15 plays it is more likely that team will turn it over, have a drive killing penalty, take a sack, or some other critical mistake than score a touchdown. Keep as many plays to 5 yards or less and force a team to string them together. Basically bend but don't break.
I think that's the only way to play Auburn, the only problem is that it requires incredible discipline.
How big are your DBs? Serious question.
not very
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Total Defense isn't a stat that K-State cares about. The goal of a K-State defense is to make the team run as many plays as possible to get those yards, thus increasing the odds of a mistake. If f K-State can force a team to run 15 plays it is more likely that team will turn it over, have a drive killing penalty, take a sack, or some other critical mistake than score a touchdown. Keep as many plays to 5 yards or less and force a team to string them together. Basically bend but don't break.
I think that's the only way to play Auburn, the only problem is that it requires incredible discipline.
How big are your DBs? Serious question.
Bigger than in the past...
McDaniel is 6'1" 205
Burns is 5'11" 195
Evans is 6' 190
Barnett is 6'1" 190
It's not like we have Rat Garrett, etc. out there anymore. (although that kid was a PLAYER)
For Auburn to be successful defensively, they are going to have to stay home. Snyder runs a lot of misdirection. They are also going to have to make solo tackles. Based upon what I have seen, I think Auburn is going to have a lot of trouble.
It's very similar to what Auburn does. The formations won't be the same, but Malzahn runs a lot of Snyder's offensive concepts. Not as much in a wildcat package but in the form of wing t and veer principles. Both of these offense are built from the same core. Both teams should be somewhat familiar with the other's offense.
For Auburn to be successful defensively, they are going to have to stay home. Snyder runs a lot of misdirection. They are also going to have to make solo tackles. Based upon what I have seen, I think Auburn is going to have a lot of trouble.
It's very similar to what Auburn does. The formations won't be the same, but Malzahn runs a lot of Snyder's offensive concepts. Not as much in a wildcat package but in the form of wing t and veer principles. Both of these offense are built from the same core. Both teams should be somewhat familiar with the other's offense.
Good. That would be ideal. Marshall isn't accurate enough to throw it that much when Snyder chooses to limit your possessions.
Plus, Coates isn't 100% with that bad knee IF he goes at all. Our corners and Evans/Barnett are good tacklers also.
For Auburn to be successful defensively, they are going to have to stay home. Snyder runs a lot of misdirection. They are also going to have to make solo tackles. Based upon what I have seen, I think Auburn is going to have a lot of trouble.
It's very similar to what Auburn does. The formations won't be the same, but Malzahn runs a lot of Snyder's offensive concepts. Not as much in a wildcat package but in the form of wing t and veer principles. Both of these offense are built from the same core. Both teams should be somewhat familiar with the other's offense.
Yeah, the way Truman has played at LB this season, K-State could have similar problems. I expect both offenses to be pretty efficient. I think the crowd noise will help us win the penalty battle, though, which could be the difference.
Good. That would be ideal. Marshall isn't accurate enough to throw it that much when Snyder chooses to limit your possessions.
Plus, Coates isn't 100% with that bad knee IF he goes at all. Our corners and Evans/Barnett are good tacklers also.
I was told the Coates injury wasn't serious at all, and he sat as a precaution against SJSt. He's supposed to be 100%. But even having him at 80% is big for the offense and the passing game. He's still a threat you have to account for.
For Auburn to be successful defensively, they are going to have to stay home. Snyder runs a lot of misdirection. They are also going to have to make solo tackles. Based upon what I have seen, I think Auburn is going to have a lot of trouble.
It's very similar to what Auburn does. The formations won't be the same, but Malzahn runs a lot of Snyder's offensive concepts. Not as much in a wildcat package but in the form of wing t and veer principles. Both of these offense are built from the same core. Both teams should be somewhat familiar with the other's offense.
True. Based on watching you guys a little bit, I think Snyder runs more power concepts (pulling OL) and Gus uses more option/veer concepts. Snyder probably uses a bit more complex passing attack. Snyder uses a bunch of personnel packages and formations, but Gus uses a ton of formations (including unbalanced, covered receivers, etc.) with a lot more motion. Its going to be a lot of fun to watch that in person.
Good. That would be ideal. Marshall isn't accurate enough to throw it that much when Snyder chooses to limit your possessions.
Plus, Coates isn't 100% with that bad knee IF he goes at all. Our corners and Evans/Barnett are good tacklers also.
I was told the Coates injury wasn't serious at all, and he sat as a precaution against SJSt. He's supposed to be 100%. But even having him at 80% is big for the offense and the passing game. He's still a threat you have to account for.
Thank you... I was actually wondering what the truth was on all of this.
not very
2013: Pick up at LSU, where we scored 21 (8) and loss. 30 (46), 62, 45, 45, 35, 55, 43 (32), 34 (1), 59, 31 (2). Those numbers in parentheses represent the final rank of the total defense for those teams. KSU finished 45th.
Total Defense isn't a stat that K-State cares about. The goal of a K-State defense is to make the team run as many plays as possible to get those yards, thus increasing the odds of a mistake. If f K-State can force a team to run 15 plays it is more likely that team will turn it over, have a drive killing penalty, take a sack, or some other critical mistake than score a touchdown. Keep as many plays to 5 yards or less and force a team to string them together. Basically bend but don't break.
I think that's the only way to play Auburn, the only problem is that it requires incredible discipline.
How big are your DBs? Serious question.
Bigger than in the past...
McDaniel is 6'1" 205
Burns is 5'11" 195
Evans is 6' 190
Barnett is 6'1" 190
It's not like we have Rat Garrett, etc. out there anymore. (although that kid was a PLAYER)
only reason I asked is because Auburn is going to throw a lot of quick passes and WR screens on soft coverage. We have some big receivers.
I don't think they want us bringing up his days at Garden City Community College...
:dunno:
I don't think they want us bringing up his days at Garden City Community College...
:dunno:
You can bring it up until your heart's content. His time at GCCC doesn't matter. He still isn't a great passing QB and probably never will be. But he's very effective in Auburn's offense. KState will have to prove it can shut down the run (which no one has done in the last 10 games) before Auburn resorts to completely slinging the ball around the field. And if it comes to Auburn having to abandon the run, Nick might come out of the game and be replaced by Johnson. If Auburn is forced to throw consistently in the second half because they're down big, Johnson is the QB to do that. That's obviously not ideal, but Johnson is the better passer. And if we have to resort to that, Auburn will be in serious trouble.
I understand that the SEC hasn't witnessed a forward pass before, but we know enough to see that nick marshall sucks at passing the ball.
I don't think they want us bringing up his days at Garden City Community College...
:dunno:
You can bring it up until your heart's content. His time at GCCC doesn't matter. He still isn't a great passing QB and probably never will be. But he's very effective in Auburn's offense. KState will have to prove it can shut down the run (which no one has done in the last 10 games) before Auburn resorts to completely slinging the ball around the field. And if it comes to Auburn having to abandon the run, Nick might come out of the game and be replaced by Johnson. If Auburn is forced to throw consistently in the second half because they're down big, Johnson is the QB to do that. That's obviously not ideal, but Johnson is the better passer. And if we have to resort to that, Auburn will be in serious trouble.
Easy, killer... I was merely using his days as a Bronc to further the point that he's "not a great passing QB". I think you're offense vs our defense will be a fun match-up simply because we are far better defensively than the vast majority of the SEC and have proven that out statistically in a conference more known for its offenses.
Interestingly, I think we dictate pace/number of possessions with our offense on Thursday which applies increased pressure as the game goes on to score every time you get it, especially if your defense has the same struggles with us that you've had with lesser Big12 offenses (aggy/mizzou).
I don't think they want us bringing up his days at Garden City Community College...
:dunno:
You can bring it up until your heart's content. His time at GCCC doesn't matter. He still isn't a great passing QB and probably never will be. But he's very effective in Auburn's offense. KState will have to prove it can shut down the run (which no one has done in the last 10 games) before Auburn resorts to completely slinging the ball around the field. And if it comes to Auburn having to abandon the run, Nick might come out of the game and be replaced by Johnson. If Auburn is forced to throw consistently in the second half because they're down big, Johnson is the QB to do that. That's obviously not ideal, but Johnson is the better passer. And if we have to resort to that, Auburn will be in serious trouble.
Easy, killer... I was merely using his days as a Bronc to further the point that he's "not a great passing QB". I think you're offense vs our defense will be a fun match-up simply because we are far better defensively than the vast majority of the SEC and have proven that out statistically in a conference more known for its offenses.
Interestingly, I think we dictate pace/number of possessions with our offense on Thursday which applies increased pressure as the game goes on to score every time you get it, especially if your defense has the same struggles with us that you've had with lesser Big12 offenses (aggy/mizzou).
Didn't mean for that to come across as aggressive. I've just never thought he was a great passer and didn't expect him to become one overnight. I think he can be serviceable, and this offense allows for a lot of easy reads and open throws. There isn't a lot of progression needed.
And I think you underestimate the defensive talent and abilities of the SEC, much like a lot of Auburn fans are underestimating KSU's defense. Gus's offense is incredibly difficult to stop. No one has really done it since he's been at Auburn. And it's pretty efficient. So while KSU may control TOP, if the defense can't force a punt, turnover, or FG, TOP isn't going to be a factor. Then, it comes down to who has the ball last.
I don't think Auburn can consistently stop KState's offense. Too much space to cover for a defense who hasn't had much success against mobile QBs in spread offenses. But I also don't think they will be stopped on offense. I see it being a one score came late in the 4th quarter.
Auburn fans that like X & O stuff, here are a bunch of blogs for this site I wrote the last few seasons about K-State's offense. (unfortunately I haven't had time to blog yet this year): http://goEMAW.com/blog/?cat=4
Auburn fans that like X & O stuff, here are a bunch of blogs for this site I wrote the last few seasons about K-State's offense. (unfortunately I haven't had time to blog yet this year): http://goEMAW.com/blog/?cat=4
I don't think they want us bringing up his days at Garden City Community College...
:dunno:
You can bring it up until your heart's content. His time at GCCC doesn't matter. He still isn't a great passing QB and probably never will be. But he's very effective in Auburn's offense. KState will have to prove it can shut down the run (which no one has done in the last 10 games) before Auburn resorts to completely slinging the ball around the field. And if it comes to Auburn having to abandon the run, Nick might come out of the game and be replaced by Johnson. If Auburn is forced to throw consistently in the second half because they're down big, Johnson is the QB to do that. That's obviously not ideal, but Johnson is the better passer. And if we have to resort to that, Auburn will be in serious trouble.
Easy, killer... I was merely using his days as a Bronc to further the point that he's "not a great passing QB". I think you're offense vs our defense will be a fun match-up simply because we are far better defensively than the vast majority of the SEC and have proven that out statistically in a conference more known for its offenses.
Interestingly, I think we dictate pace/number of possessions with our offense on Thursday which applies increased pressure as the game goes on to score every time you get it, especially if your defense has the same struggles with us that you've had with lesser Big12 offenses (aggy/mizzou).
Didn't mean for that to come across as aggressive. I've just never thought he was a great passer and didn't expect him to become one overnight. I think he can be serviceable, and this offense allows for a lot of easy reads and open throws. There isn't a lot of progression needed.
And I think you underestimate the defensive talent and abilities of the SEC, much like a lot of Auburn fans are underestimating KSU's defense. Gus's offense is incredibly difficult to stop. No one has really done it since he's been at Auburn. And it's pretty efficient. So while KSU may control TOP, if the defense can't force a punt, turnover, or FG, TOP isn't going to be a factor. Then, it comes down to who has the ball last.
I don't think Auburn can consistently stop KState's offense. Too much space to cover for a defense who hasn't had much success against mobile QBs in spread offenses. But I also don't think they will be stopped on offense. I see it being a one score came late in the 4th quarter.
I don't think they want us bringing up his days at Garden City Community College...
:dunno:
You can bring it up until your heart's content. His time at GCCC doesn't matter. He still isn't a great passing QB and probably never will be. But he's very effective in Auburn's offense. KState will have to prove it can shut down the run (which no one has done in the last 10 games) before Auburn resorts to completely slinging the ball around the field. And if it comes to Auburn having to abandon the run, Nick might come out of the game and be replaced by Johnson. If Auburn is forced to throw consistently in the second half because they're down big, Johnson is the QB to do that. That's obviously not ideal, but Johnson is the better passer. And if we have to resort to that, Auburn will be in serious trouble.
Easy, killer... I was merely using his days as a Bronc to further the point that he's "not a great passing QB". I think you're offense vs our defense will be a fun match-up simply because we are far better defensively than the vast majority of the SEC and have proven that out statistically in a conference more known for its offenses.
Interestingly, I think we dictate pace/number of possessions with our offense on Thursday which applies increased pressure as the game goes on to score every time you get it, especially if your defense has the same struggles with us that you've had with lesser Big12 offenses (aggy/mizzou).
Didn't mean for that to come across as aggressive. I've just never thought he was a great passer and didn't expect him to become one overnight. I think he can be serviceable, and this offense allows for a lot of easy reads and open throws. There isn't a lot of progression needed.
And I think you underestimate the defensive talent and abilities of the SEC, much like a lot of Auburn fans are underestimating KSU's defense. Gus's offense is incredibly difficult to stop. No one has really done it since he's been at Auburn. And it's pretty efficient. So while KSU may control TOP, if the defense can't force a punt, turnover, or FG, TOP isn't going to be a factor. Then, it comes down to who has the ball last.
I don't think Auburn can consistently stop KState's offense. Too much space to cover for a defense who hasn't had much success against mobile QBs in spread offenses. But I also don't think they will be stopped on offense. I see it being a one score came late in the 4th quarter.
It's all good... I think we are generally on the same page. Maybe I underestimate the "defensive talent and abilities of the SEC" and maybe I don't, but we'll soon find out.
Here's what I base it on:
Nobody has really been able to slow aggy/mizzou since they departed and since it's only been 2 seasons, I think it's safe to say that they were still operating with Big12 kids and Pinkel hasn't changed his offense any since he left our confy. That offense was middle of the pack here with similar talent. Granted Sumlin is the wildcard at aggy, but still all those kids were recruited as Big12 caliber players. No?
Also, we weren't really all that good defensively in '12. Arky was the SEC's best offense, yet made our kids look like the '85 bears in the Cotton Bowl that year.
I'm just not sold by the SEC hype machine that ESPN has become, especially when the numbers don't really bear it out at the end of the day. Last year, there were exactly four Big12 teams in the top 30 "Total Defense" stats... How many do you think the SEC had? If you guessed "four", you'd be spot on. Throw in the fact that most consider the Big12 an "offensive" conference and it makes one think, huh?
Food for thought at the very least.
Also "setting the edge" is a football term I know that will probably be important.
Alright, after watching Auburn here are my thoughts:
Offensively for KSU:
-BALANCE: All caps for a reason. How many times in the past have we gotten down early against a good team then started chucking the ball and totally abandoning the run? Arky in Cotton Bowl. Oregon. Few to come to mind. I'm not saying that we need to run and pass the same amount, but when we become one dimensional it lets the DL from Auburn pin their ears back.
Against Arky in the season opener, Arky's QB Brandon Allen had time to throw and he was able to have some success in the air. Auburn only got 1 sack in that game.
In this game, I look to run to set up the throw. Arky had some success running the ball at them with draws and zone plays. Our OL will have to play their best game of the season.
-No turnovers: Self-explanatory. Waters has done a great job so far of being smart about not forcing throws. RB's have been dependable with ball security.
-Expose their secondary: This is a big spot for the Cats. #3, #15, #24 all have been burnt on double moves in games that I have seen. #6 is probably their best DB. But this is where we make our hay. They can be thrown on. The key is to have the threat to run to get these DBs to bite on the fake. Which is why I think balance is the #1 key.
Defensively for KSU:
Gap sound: Can't get out of our gaps. I think our DL is better than it was last year so far. If Clinkscales is anywhere close to being ready to play, I expect to see him in there. With Auburn moving at a high tempo, we will have to rotate bodies.
If we can challenge them at the LOS and create some penetration, that throws off the timing of a lot of their read and veer stuff.
Angles and Tackling: Schellenberg consistently takes the worst angles I've seen in awhile. Tysyn Hartman was also awful with angles, but Schellenberg is worse. I'm all but convinced he will have every member of this board be ready to see him not play another down after this week.
However, if he is able to limit mistakes and make tackles he can totally prove me wrong and I hope he does.
I think we will tackle well. We always seem to (hoping ISU was an aberration). 1 or 2 missed tackles can be the difference between a 2 yd gain and a first down or a 10 yd gain and a TD.
For DB's: Don't stare at the ball: I'm worried about the big plays out of AU's WR. Coates and Williams are freaks, however they aren't great route runners. They make their plays from YAC on short throws and being wide open due to play action and biting by DBs.
Line Up Correctly: Sounds easy, but with AU's tempo it is crucial not to give them extra yards due to being simply out of alignment.
That's the way I see it. If K-State can keep balance and play sound defense we will be in it to the end.
It's all good... I think we are generally on the same page. Maybe I underestimate the "defensive talent and abilities of the SEC" and maybe I don't, but we'll soon find out.
Here's what I base it on:
Nobody has really been able to slow aggy/mizzou since they departed and since it's only been 2 seasons, I think it's safe to say that they were still operating with Big12 kids and Pinkel hasn't changed his offense any since he left our confy. That offense was middle of the pack here with similar talent. Granted Sumlin is the wildcard at aggy, but still all those kids were recruited as Big12 caliber players. No?
Also, we weren't really all that good defensively in '12. Arky was the SEC's best offense, yet made our kids look like the '85 bears in the Cotton Bowl that year.
I'm just not sold by the SEC hype machine that ESPN has become, especially when the numbers don't really bear it out at the end of the day. Last year, there were exactly four Big12 teams in the top 30 "Total Defense" stats... How many do you think the SEC had? If you guessed "four", you'd be spot on. Throw in the fact that most consider the Big12 an "offensive" conference and it makes one think, huh?
Food for thought at the very least.
Confused on the bold. Arky was only slightly better than Auburn in '12, and we were hot garbage that year.
Generally, I agree with you. Defense in the SEC hasn't been great in the last couple season. There are some really good defenses, but most are mediocre. Part of it is athletic ability on the offensive side of the ball; part is offensive scheme; and part is just poor coaching and inexperience. But I think the SEC has more than held it's own in OOC games over the last several years to prove that defense is no joke when matching up against non-conference opponents. I do agree that Mizzou and aTm have had some big games against SEC teams, but I think they would've been equally as tough for any BIG 12 team to stop. One had a senior QB and a lot of offensive weapons and the other was one of the greatest college QBs of all time. I don't think it would matter which conference they were in; they were putting up points.
Not really sure what it is, but the athleticism and physicality of the SEC has boded well OOC in the last few years. That's where much of the hype comes from. Then, the conference somewhat cannabilzes itself and makes some pretty solid defenses look mediocre or worse. I think Mizzou's defense was very good and very underrated last year, and they were just a complete disaster against Auburn in the SECCG. So, I think it's a bit of the defenses not being quite as good as the hype and the offensive players and schemes being really tough to stop.
Alright, after watching Auburn here are my thoughts:
Offensively for KSU:
-BALANCE: All caps for a reason. How many times in the past have we gotten down early against a good team then started chucking the ball and totally abandoning the run? Arky in Cotton Bowl. Oregon. Few to come to mind. I'm not saying that we need to run and pass the same amount, but when we become one dimensional it lets the DL from Auburn pin their ears back.
Against Arky in the season opener, Arky's QB Brandon Allen had time to throw and he was able to have some success in the air. Auburn only got 1 sack in that game.
In this game, I look to run to set up the throw. Arky had some success running the ball at them with draws and zone plays. Our OL will have to play their best game of the season.
-No turnovers: Self-explanatory. Waters has done a great job so far of being smart about not forcing throws. RB's have been dependable with ball security.
-Expose their secondary: This is a big spot for the Cats. #3, #15, #24 all have been burnt on double moves in games that I have seen. #6 is probably their best DB. But this is where we make our hay. They can be thrown on. The key is to have the threat to run to get these DBs to bite on the fake. Which is why I think balance is the #1 key.
Defensively for KSU:
Gap sound: Can't get out of our gaps. I think our DL is better than it was last year so far. If Clinkscales is anywhere close to being ready to play, I expect to see him in there. With Auburn moving at a high tempo, we will have to rotate bodies.
If we can challenge them at the LOS and create some penetration, that throws off the timing of a lot of their read and veer stuff.
Angles and Tackling: Schellenberg consistently takes the worst angles I've seen in awhile. Tysyn Hartman was also awful with angles, but Schellenberg is worse. I'm all but convinced he will have every member of this board be ready to see him not play another down after this week.
However, if he is able to limit mistakes and make tackles he can totally prove me wrong and I hope he does.
I think we will tackle well. We always seem to (hoping ISU was an aberration). 1 or 2 missed tackles can be the difference between a 2 yd gain and a first down or a 10 yd gain and a TD.
For DB's: Don't stare at the ball: I'm worried about the big plays out of AU's WR. Coates and Williams are freaks, however they aren't great route runners. They make their plays from YAC on short throws and being wide open due to play action and biting by DBs.
Line Up Correctly: Sounds easy, but with AU's tempo it is crucial not to give them extra yards due to being simply out of alignment.
That's the way I see it. If K-State can keep balance and play sound defense we will be in it to the end.
It's all good... I think we are generally on the same page. Maybe I underestimate the "defensive talent and abilities of the SEC" and maybe I don't, but we'll soon find out.
Here's what I base it on:
Nobody has really been able to slow aggy/mizzou since they departed and since it's only been 2 seasons, I think it's safe to say that they were still operating with Big12 kids and Pinkel hasn't changed his offense any since he left our confy. That offense was middle of the pack here with similar talent. Granted Sumlin is the wildcard at aggy, but still all those kids were recruited as Big12 caliber players. No?
Also, we weren't really all that good defensively in '12. Arky was the SEC's best offense, yet made our kids look like the '85 bears in the Cotton Bowl that year.
I'm just not sold by the SEC hype machine that ESPN has become, especially when the numbers don't really bear it out at the end of the day. Last year, there were exactly four Big12 teams in the top 30 "Total Defense" stats... How many do you think the SEC had? If you guessed "four", you'd be spot on. Throw in the fact that most consider the Big12 an "offensive" conference and it makes one think, huh?
Food for thought at the very least.
Confused on the bold. Arky was only slightly better than Auburn in '12, and we were hot garbage that year.
Generally, I agree with you. Defense in the SEC hasn't been great in the last couple season. There are some really good defenses, but most are mediocre. Part of it is athletic ability on the offensive side of the ball; part is offensive scheme; and part is just poor coaching and inexperience. But I think the SEC has more than held it's own in OOC games over the last several years to prove that defense is no joke when matching up against non-conference opponents. I do agree that Mizzou and aTm have had some big games against SEC teams, but I think they would've been equally as tough for any BIG 12 team to stop. One had a senior QB and a lot of offensive weapons and the other was one of the greatest college QBs of all time. I don't think it would matter which conference they were in; they were putting up points.
Not really sure what it is, but the athleticism and physicality of the SEC has boded well OOC in the last few years. That's where much of the hype comes from. Then, the conference somewhat cannabilzes itself and makes some pretty solid defenses look mediocre or worse. I think Mizzou's defense was very good and very underrated last year, and they were just a complete disaster against Auburn in the SECCG. So, I think it's a bit of the defenses not being quite as good as the hype and the offensive players and schemes being really tough to stop.
I was going strictly from memory but, if memory serves, I seem to remember the pre-game hype for the Cotton was that pig aggy led the SEC in offense in '12... Correct me if I'm wrong, I just don't feel like looking it up.
Here's where the hype really comes from: The SEC and ESPN are in bed together.
Literally ALL of what you are saying about why the SEC defenses haven't looked so good lately are the EXACT same reasons that folks used to say that there was no defense in the Big12... because our offenses were more advanced. You're correct in that mizzou and aggy were "pretty good" big12 teams. On the other hand, they were perennial .500 teams that never accomplished much of anything here... Not in the last 15 yrs anyway. Forgive us for finding it a bit telling that they show up in a conference with supposed "superior athleticism and physicality" and immediately start competing for championships with their lesser Big12 caliber athletes.
It's hard not to at least keep a peripheral eye on mizzou as they were long time rivals since the days of the Big6, Big7, Big8 and finally Big12. Take a look at their schedule from last year. They were a decent defensive team, but their schedule was loaded with all the little sisters of the poor by SEC standards. They got aggy at home and your offense was the only other real challenge I see on their schedule. Am I missing something?
I can't believe I skimmed this whole thread.
I can't believe I skimmed this whole thread.
Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???
:buh-bye:
Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???
:buh-bye:
I haven't really been able to watch auburn this year, but I was able to get quite a bit about what their offense liked to do last year from the title game.
When running the read option in the first half, the fullback was what made Auburn successful against Florida State. He would take two guys out of each play by making the DE take a bad angle at the ball carrier before continuing on to block a LB or DB. Florida State eventually figured out in the 2nd half that it's best to just have the DE eat up the block and let the guys behind him come up to make the tackle. I have no idea if they still run it like that this year, but if they do, Mueller and Willis need to eat up that block and someone else needs to be in position to make the tackle.
Their QB spells the name Nick, "Nic"???
:buh-bye:
I haven't really been able to watch auburn this year, but I was able to get quite a bit about what their offense liked to do last year from the title game.
When running the read option in the first half, the fullback was what made Auburn successful against Florida State. He would take two guys out of each play by making the DE take a bad angle at the ball carrier before continuing on to block a LB or DB. Florida State eventually figured out in the 2nd half that it's best to just have the DE eat up the block and let the guys behind him come up to make the tackle. I have no idea if they still run it like that this year, but if they do, Mueller and Willis need to eat up that block and someone else needs to be in position to make the tackle.
Auburn folks,
I was looking over your box scores from last season and came across this:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332570002
Granted, it was the 3rd game of the season. But Prescott's 122 yds on the ground jump out. I haven't seen much concern from Auburn fans about stopping the QB run game. Auburn did a good job against Manziel stopping him on the ground for the most part and shaking him up even. Then again with Missouri, Franklin didn't do much with his legs.
I found the MS St. stats interesting because earlier in the week a media member asked Malzahn if Waters reminded him of Dak Prescott and I believe he said something to the effect of "sorta".
Curious to see if you AU fans are concerned at all with the QB run game.
I miss Jay Prosch(FB) for Auburn. Honestly, this game scares the Hell out of me for the Tigers. Nonetheless, I think it will be a good test for both teams. For Kansas State, it seems to be a way to get some more respect that they have not been given by the media this season. For Auburn, this is the first of many ulcer inducing road games. In addition to the K-State game, Auburn has road games at # 10 Ole Miss, # 13 Georgia and at # 3 Alabama, not to mention home games versus the Aggies, LSU and South Carolina.
I think this will be a good game and a close one. For both teams conference play is looming.
Here is to hoping for a good game with no injuries!
Auburn folks,
I was looking over your box scores from last season and came across this:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=332570002
Granted, it was the 3rd game of the season. But Prescott's 122 yds on the ground jump out. I haven't seen much concern from Auburn fans about stopping the QB run game. Auburn did a good job against Manziel stopping him on the ground for the most part and shaking him up even. Then again with Missouri, Franklin didn't do much with his legs.
I found the MS St. stats interesting because earlier in the week a media member asked Malzahn if Waters reminded him of Dak Prescott and I believe he said something to the effect of "sorta".
Curious to see if you AU fans are concerned at all with the QB run game.
It wasn't that long ago that we had a sieve-like defense, so we can definitely relate. It's simply maddening, especially with such a good offense. What surprises me more than anything though is the fact that all the AU folks are more concerned with our QB run game than anything. That's really not the strength of our offense, yet that's what AU coaches, fans and media alike have all mentioned first. Perhaps the utilization of Waters the first two weeks is Snyder's greatest scheme job to date?
I think you've got a pretty good handle on what to expect, Fade. Most AU folks on here have no clue whatsoever about football as it exists outside of the SEC, so they just believe what the mediots at E$PN tell them rather than digging in to the facts as you have. I've thought that this would be a one score game either way since bowl season.
As it nears, I get more and more comfy with our prospects for a win based mostly on the fact that I'm of the belief that, although a different style, our offense is equally efficient and I have no doubt whatsoever that we are putting the best defense on the field and the oddsmakers sort of confirmed that with setting the total as low as they did.
It wasn't that long ago that we had a sieve-like defense, so we can definitely relate. It's simply maddening, especially with such a good offense. What surprises me more than anything though is the fact that all the AU folks are more concerned with our QB run game than anything. That's really not the strength of our offense, yet that's what AU coaches, fans and media alike have all mentioned first. Perhaps the utilization of Waters the first two weeks is Snyder's greatest scheme job to date?
I think you've got a pretty good handle on what to expect, Fade. Most AU folks on here have no clue whatsoever about football as it exists outside of the SEC, so they just believe what the mediots at E$PN tell them rather than digging in to the facts as you have. I've thought that this would be a one score game either way since bowl season.
As it nears, I get more and more comfy with our prospects for a win based mostly on the fact that I'm of the belief that, although a different style, our offense is equally efficient and I have no doubt whatsoever that we are putting the best defense on the field and the oddsmakers sort of confirmed that with setting the total as low as they did.
Snyder's offense is just whatever he feels like running that particular year, so idk how you can definitively say that
Snyder's offense is just whatever he feels like running that particular year, so idk how you can definitively say that
I stand corrected.
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .You need to log into the premium board,PM one of the mods they'll give you the password
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
you guys are gonna kick our ass. is that what you wanted to hear?
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
you guys are gonna kick our ass. is that what you wanted to hear?
Never in a million years. BTW I'm not very confident in this year's Auburn team pulling out the win myself on Thursday night. But some of things I've read are just a little over the top. Make no mistake ,AU is a senior lead team that's been on big road games before.
I personally think it was bad scheduling to be coming to your place in the middle of the week in the first place, but what do you do? Anyway I'm not going to start flaming on a game that will be settled in less than 48 hours,so good luck, God bless and I will check in on Friday to see how everyone's awesome sense of humor is still holding up.
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
you guys are gonna kick our ass. is that what you wanted to hear?
Never in a million years. BTW I'm not very confident in this year's Auburn team pulling out the win myself on Thursday night. But some of things I've read are just a little over the top. Make no mistake ,AU is a senior lead team that's been on big road games before.
I personally think it was bad scheduling to be coming to your place in the middle of the week in the first place, but what do you do? Anyway I'm not going to start flaming on a game that will be settled in less than 48 hours,so good luck, God bless and I will check in on Friday to see how everyone's awesome sense of humor is still holding up.
our awesome sense of humor will always hold up, because we don't place our entire self worth on a bunch of 19-22 year olds playing football like you condescending mud rats clearly do.
Came to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
you guys are gonna kick our ass. is that what you wanted to hear?
Never in a million years. BTW I'm not very confident in this year's Auburn team pulling out the win myself on Thursday night. But some of things I've read are just a little over the top. Make no mistake ,AU is a senior lead team that's been on big road games before.
I personally think it was bad scheduling to be coming to your place in the middle of the week in the first place, but what do you do? Anyway I'm not going to start flaming on a game that will be settled in less than 48 hours,so good luck, God bless and I will check in on Friday to see how everyone's awesome sense of humor is still holding up.
as per usual, you have us lumped in with the inbreds across the stateCame to this board to check out the " Piss pound Auburn" thread that was the joke of many AU threads over the last few days. Had my laughs , wondered what the real threads were like so I searched the board for the serious ones. Lol , joke's on me I guess this whole board is satirical? Anyone know a KSU board where the people are kind of serious about Thursday's game??? Just looking to see what the realist KSU fans are saying. .
From the looks of things I'm probably just setting myself up for more "non-sense" but had to give it a try. .
you guys are gonna kick our ass. is that what you wanted to hear?
Never in a million years. BTW I'm not very confident in this year's Auburn team pulling out the win myself on Thursday night. But some of things I've read are just a little over the top. Make no mistake ,AU is a senior lead team that's been on big road games before.
I personally think it was bad scheduling to be coming to your place in the middle of the week in the first place, but what do you do? Anyway I'm not going to start flaming on a game that will be settled in less than 48 hours,so good luck, God bless and I will check in on Friday to see how everyone's awesome sense of humor is still holding up.
our awesome sense of humor will always hold up, because we don't place our entire self worth on a bunch of 19-22 year olds playing football like you condescending mud rats clearly do.
talked to my source again and confirmed we are going to win
I need a fact check on Mr. Dennis Dodd, please my new Wildcatfriendsacquaintancesstrangers tolerating me on their board.
@dennisdoddcbs: Half of the K-State roster vs. Auburn -- 58 players -- will be former or current walk-ons.
Is this true? We don't need a team full of Rudy's giving their all and playing with heart and all that crap. I'd prefer we're going up against 2 and 3-star recruits coasting through college not trying to prove anything.
Auburn drives:
Touchdown
Touchdown
Touchdown
Touchdown
FG - End of Half
Touchdown
Touchdown
Touchdown
KSU Drives:
Touchdown
Touchdown
Touchdown
5 plays 12 yards - punt
2 plays - interception
3 plays 5 yards - punt
1 play - interception
Touchdown
STRAIGHT TO THE BOTTOM!!!! :ksu::excited:
I need a fact check on Mr. Dennis Dodd, please my new Wildcatfriendsacquaintancesstrangers tolerating me on their board.
@dennisdoddcbs: Half of the K-State roster vs. Auburn -- 58 players -- will be former or current walk-ons.
Is this true? We don't need a team full of Rudy's giving their all and playing with heart and all that crap. I'd prefer we're going up against 2 and 3-star recruits coasting through college not trying to prove anything.
Thank youI need a fact check on Mr. Dennis Dodd, please my new Wildcatfriendsacquaintancesstrangers tolerating me on their board.
@dennisdoddcbs: Half of the K-State roster vs. Auburn -- 58 players -- will be former or current walk-ons.
Is this true? We don't need a team full of Rudy's giving their all and playing with heart and all that crap. I'd prefer we're going up against 2 and 3-star recruits coasting through college not trying to prove anything.
I did not see the other thread that has this particular tweet as its topic before I brought this up here in this thread. Sorry or the redundancy of posting things twice in a redundant manner thereby duplicating information already out there. Reduntantly.
I need a fact check on Mr. Dennis Dodd, please my new Wildcatfriendsacquaintancesstrangers tolerating me on their board.
@dennisdoddcbs: Half of the K-State roster vs. Auburn -- 58 players -- will be former or current walk-ons.
Is this true? We don't need a team full of Rudy's giving their all and playing with heart and all that crap. I'd prefer we're going up against 2 and 3-star recruits coasting through college not trying to prove anything.
:thumbsup:
I did not see the other thread that has this particular tweet as its topic before I brought this up here in this thread. Sorry or the redundancy of posting things twice in a redundant manner thereby duplicating information already out there. Reduntantly.
Jermaine Whitehead is not traveling to Kansas.
bunker =MODS= posted itJermaine Whitehead is not traveling to Kansas.
?
Jermaine Whitehead is not traveling to Kansas.
bunker =MODS= posted itJermaine Whitehead is not traveling to Kansas.
?
bunker =MODS= posted itJermaine Whitehead is not traveling to Kansas.
?
interesting. guess we'll have to wait and see.
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
I need a fact check on Mr. Dennis Dodd, please my new Wildcatfriendsacquaintancesstrangers tolerating me on their board.
@dennisdoddcbs: Half of the K-State roster vs. Auburn -- 58 players -- will be former or current walk-ons.
Is this true? We don't need a team full of Rudy's giving their all and playing with heart and all that crap. I'd prefer we're going up against 2 and 3-star recruits coasting through college not trying to prove anything.
I did not see the other thread that has this particular tweet as its topic before I brought this up here in this thread. Sorry or the redundancy of posting things twice in a redundant manner thereby duplicating information already out there. Reduntantly.
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
He was not on the plane. That's a big blow to our secondary.
WAR DAMN STORK!!!Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
He was not on the plane. That's a big blow to our secondary.
Maybe the eagle will drop him in just before kickoff. :dunno:
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
He was not on the plane. That's a big blow to our secondary.
they arrive at 4:50
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
He was not on the plane. That's a big blow to our secondary.
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
He was not on the plane. That's a big blow to our secondary.
Thank you for the confirmation. I dropped a quick email to our WR coach. :thumbsup:
just remember the actual quote is "we want a leader, not a loser"they arrive at 4:50
cst? I'll be there.
just remember the actual quote is "we want a leader, not a loser"they arrive at 4:50
cst? I'll be there.
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
see, if you would have just gotten updog the quote function would have workedWho said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
A poster on the bunker said Whitehead had an argument with the coaches and then missed the bus today on his own.
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
A poster on the bunker said Whitehead had an argument with the coaches and then missed the bus today on his own.
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
A poster on the bunker said Whitehead had an argument with the coaches and then missed the bus today on his own.
Two things:
1) Fixed your quote
2) what a dumbass (not you) :lol: :lol: :lol:
Who said this? And, why didn't he get on the bus? Late? Disciplinary?
:Wha:
no linky, but rivals is reporting it as fact with no reason
The AU twitterverse is pretty touchy about it... must be fact.
:lol:
A poster on the bunker said Whitehead had an argument with the coaches and then missed the bus today on his own.
Two things:
1) Fixed your quote
2) what a dumbass (not you) :lol: :lol: :lol:
I bet they were arguing over the origin of War Damn Eagle.