StL County Cops Shoot Teen

[ednksu]

If you're too dumb to understand what trim is saying, then I'm not sure that's trim's fault.  at a certain point you can't dumb down information even further

No I understand exactly what he is saying and it was a valid issue 24 hours ago.  Today we find out dramatically new information which radically changes the case law which applies in this case. Trim doesn't want to acknowledge how the paradigm of the case has radically shifted.

I didn't watch the news past 3 or so.  What changed?

oh sorry, didn't realize the felony issue was a non-issue, carry on.

[Trim]

[ednksu]

Why the  Trim? 
Through your expert legal opinion I now believe this choir boy was ordered to his knees and summarily executed in the streets of Ferguson. 

[Trim]

Why the  Trim? 
Through your expert legal opinion I now believe this choir boy was ordered to his knees and summarily executed in the streets of Ferguson. 

It was the emoticon that represented what I did in real life when I read your post.

It's fine for you to have your position that Brown's theft of cigarillos from the convenience store justifies the cop shooting him dead.  Go nut with it. 

[ednksu]

Why the  Trim? 
Through your expert legal opinion I now believe this choir boy was ordered to his knees and summarily executed in the streets of Ferguson. 

It was the emoticon that represented what I did in real life when I read your post.

It's fine for you to have your position that Brown's theft of cigarillos from the convenience store justifies the cop shooting him dead.  Go nut with it.

Gee Trim, I never thought of couching my argument there.  Tell me, how violent of a felony has to be committed before the fleeing felon rule kicks in?  Or maybe you can educate me on how far away the cop was when gunning down this young man, how many hits, or anything useful which  prosecutor might use, that we KNOW for sure happened?  Because, its almost like I asked you for your opinion on this (or anyone else) pages ago, because it sure seems more and more like this guy thought he was going down for a strong arm robbery, tried to attack and cop, and ended up dead.  But I'll let you finish on the whole choir boy thing.

[star seed 7]

is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony?  it shouldn't be if it is.

[Mr Bread]

is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony?  it shouldn't be if it is.

Theft from the person and/or simple robbery are (in Illinois). 

[star seed 7]

is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony?  it shouldn't be if it is.

Theft from the person and/or simple robbery are (in Illinois).

i guess it makes sense, but still.

[Mr Bread]

I've never heard of a fleeing felon rule.  You can shoot felons that are running away in MO? 

[DQ12]

Bread, thoughts on Trim's deliberation analysis? Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired? 

[Fedor]

Bread, thoughts on Trim's deliberation analysis? Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?

No

[DQ12]

Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?

No
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That's too bad.

[Trim]

I've never heard of a fleeing felon rule.  You can shoot felons that are running away in MO? 

Just the ones with deadly cigarillos. 

[ednksu]

is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony?  it shouldn't be if it is.

Theft from the person and/or simple robbery are (in Illinois).

i guess it makes sense, but still.

robbery in the 2nd degree.

[ednksu]

Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?

No

That's too bad.
[/quote]people should be more concerned with distance and number of hits.

[Rage Against the McKee]

is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony?  it shouldn't be if it is.

He assaulted the shopkeeper, too. He clearly was a bad person. He didn't deserve to die, though.

[kim carnes]

is stealing $50 worth of cigars a felony?  it shouldn't be if it is.

He assaulted the shopkeeper, too. He clearly was a bad person. He didn't deserve to die, though.

Yes, the guy is clearly a rough ridin' a-hole and honestly, ferguson is better off without him.  that argument won't hold up in court though.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can ballistics studies show how rapidly the shots were fired?

No

That's too bad.

people should be more concerned with distance and number of hits.
[/quote]

If he has wounds in the front and back, that will support all of the witness testimony. I don't know how you could support the cop at that point.

[MakeItRain]

Edn, did you miss the chief say that cop that shot Brown was not aware that Brown was a suspect in the robbery? I'm very confused why you keep bringing it up. How is the felony (even though it isn't one, certainly wouldn't have been one if Brown got arrested that day) a factor if the cop didn't know if he committed the crime? The only change in act 2 of this play is the credibility Johnson, and that really hasn't changed if he was forthright with the feds when he talked to them.

[chuckjames]

Did anyone hear a friend of the cop tell the cops side of the story on some conservative radio show?

[MakeItRain]

Earlier today we wondered why Dorian Johnson was not charged, after seeing the video do we all agree that he shouldn't have been charged? All he did on the video was put the swisher sweets back on the counter. Also as to his credibility, his attorney said Johnson did tell the FBI and DOJ about Brown committing theft.

[SdK]

Yes.


Too me the most damning thing so far is that guy that tweeted about it from his patio. Granted, I know nothing about his character and whether or not that could be shredded on the stand. But seemed to be an unbiased witness.

[michigancat]

Earlier today we wondered why Dorian Johnson was not charged, after seeing the video do we all agree that he shouldn't have been charged? All he did on the video was put the swisher sweets back on the counter. Also as to his credibility, his attorney said Johnson did tell the FBI and DOJ about Brown committing theft.

Well, the guy who robbed that old man with his pregnant girlfriend that got shot by the old man was charged with murder sooooo...

[ednksu]

Edn, did you miss the chief say that cop that shot Brown was not aware that Brown was a suspect in the robbery? I'm very confused why you keep bringing it up. How is the felony (even though it isn't one, certainly wouldn't have been one if Brown got arrested that day) a factor if the cop didn't know if he committed the crime? The only change in act 2 of this play is the credibility Johnson, and that really hasn't changed if he was forthright with the feds when he talked to them.

The problem is that Brown knew he was a suspect in a felony.  Not sure why you are even debating whether or not its a felony, because its a class C.  Brown didn't know if the cop was "approaching" him for j walking or the felony he JUST committed.  Now those are the facts of the interaction, in addition to the fact that the cop didn't know about the other crime.  But lets take that info and look at it logically.  We have a suspect, who knows he just committed a crime.  Would it be logical for the suspect to assume the cop is approaching him about that felony or about j walking?  Would the reaction of a criminal be different if they could reasonable infer the cop was stopping them for a felony or for a bullshit ticket? 



link for statue in case you wanted to double check:
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5690000170.htm

[nicname]

Dudes, that video came out of Brown shoving a store clerk, or that he may have stolen some blunt wraps doesn't really matter. It wouldn't matter if Brown had stolen the cigs, shoved the clerk, rubbed his junk on some kid on the way out, and then ran over a gas pump on his way out. Once -- regardless of a scuffle with the cop -- the first shot was fired, when he ran then knelt and raised his hands, then the cop pumped him full of more lead the situation is the same.

The cop still decided to continue to empty bullets into the dude's body.