Israel - Hamas peace process

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay . . .

#armchair neocons/#blueanoneocon/#neocongE were all saying the same thing back in October.

#armchairneocons/#neocongE got all  about the FOIA'd internal emails from State aka the Clown Car (documented on this blog) discussing how the U.S. could not be sure that aid to Gaza would be used strictly for humanitarian purposes and not siphoned off for Hamas.

[Dugout DickStone]

That's an AI deep fake

I mean, why wouldn't hamas want to please their patron on his bday?

[sonofdaxjones]

Everything I don't like is . . . racist, a conspiracy theory, fascist (and now featuring) AI/Deep Fake (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

[Dugout DickStone]

Everything I don't like is . . . racist, a conspiracy theory, fascist (and now featuring) AI/Deep Fake (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

I don't think hamas/putin is a conspiracy theory.  more like a love story

[sonofdaxjones]

Everything I don't like is . . . racist, a conspiracy theory, fascist (and now featuring) AI/Deep Fake (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

I don't think hamas/putin is a conspiracy theory.  more like a love story

Hamas thanks Pedo Pete for the funding

Keeping in mind wherever Samantha and her minions show up.  War usually follows. She’s positively Nulandesque

“In a letter to the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Samantha Power, the lawmakers stress that taxpayer funds sent to Gaza and the West Bank could inadvertently aid Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) such as Hamas and are seeking documents and information from USAID to ensure U.S.”


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[Dugout DickStone]

Everything I don't like is . . . racist, a conspiracy theory, fascist (and now featuring) AI/Deep Fake (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

I don't think hamas/putin is a conspiracy theory.  more like a love story

Hamas thanks Pedo Pete for the funding

Keeping in mind wherever Samantha and her minions show up.  War usually follows. She’s positively Nulandesque

“In a letter to the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Samantha Power, the lawmakers stress that taxpayer funds sent to Gaza and the West Bank could inadvertently aid Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) such as Hamas and are seeking documents and information from USAID to ensure U.S.”


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hamas didn't attack Israel as a bday gift to Dark Brandon.  nice try

[sonofdaxjones]

Everything I don't like is . . . racist, a conspiracy theory, fascist (and now featuring) AI/Deep Fake (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

I don't think hamas/putin is a conspiracy theory.  more like a love story

Hamas thanks Pedo Pete for the funding

Keeping in mind wherever Samantha and her minions show up.  War usually follows. She’s positively Nulandesque

“In a letter to the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) Administrator Samantha Power, the lawmakers stress that taxpayer funds sent to Gaza and the West Bank could inadvertently aid Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) such as Hamas and are seeking documents and information from USAID to ensure U.S.”


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hamas didn't attack Israel as a bday gift to Dark Brandon.  nice try

Your boy immediately took the Houthi’s off the terror list on day one and your boys state department sent millions to Gaza with virtually no guarantee that funds wouldn’t end up in the hands of Hamas

LMAO at DeflectoDug


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[Pete]

The turntables have turned and I am back on the anti-Israel side of this.

Certainly Israel was in a very, very difficult situation, but to go and make it an officially impossible situation was not the response I was expecting from Israel.


https://abcnews.go.com/International/visual-analysis-shows-60-gaza-now-evacuation-orders/story?id=106079156


How does any Israeli now expect anything less than total commitment from millions of ruined people to absolutely destroy Israel going forward? If I lived in Gaza, and my loved ones had been killed/maimed and my home destroyed, I would dedicate what is left of my life to destroying Israel. That’s how this works.


Serious question for Dax and KK…no gE'ing…what is the economic impact to the United States of losing Israel's influence in the Middle East?  I feel close to being ready to turn off the money to Israel, but concerned that I may not appreciate the implications.

[sonofdaxjones]

If you watch CNN, their Gaza coverage is vetted through the IDF 

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/04/cnn-israel-gaza-idf-reporting/

[Pete]

If you watch CNN, their Gaza coverage is vetted through the IDF 

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/04/cnn-israel-gaza-idf-reporting/

What is the possible downside to cutting off all support for Israel, in your opinion?

[sonofdaxjones]

The downside is that will likely be the end of the last (generally) secular democracy in the Middle East.

But support must come with demands.

Everybody talks about Blinks trying to protect civilians. If so, he’s really really shitty at it, then again he’s a shitty ineffectual clown (except in making sure the military industrial complex gets there’s), so no surprise there.

[Pete]

The downside is that will likely be the end of the last (generally) secular democracy in the Middle East.

But support must come with demands.

Everybody talks about Blinks trying to protect civilians. If so, he’s really really shitty at it, then again he’s a shitty ineffectual clown (except in making sure the military industrial complex gets there’s), so no surprise there.

OK, I am on the same page as you when it comes to demanding more of Israel.  However, my question is whether we are really ready to turn our backs on Israel if they do not meet our demands?  What would be the economic and strategic losses if we cut them off?

[sonofdaxjones]

I suppose if you want you want Libya North in place of Israel and then you'll likely get lots of bad people on the border with Egypt and then you've got issues with controlling the Suez, and well . . . lots of not good things.

You'll have a sophisticated indigenous arms industry fall into the hands of what will likely be not so good people and all the technology that goes with it, plus the nuclear weapons.

[Pete]

I suppose if you want you want Libya North in place of Israel and then you'll likely get lots of bad people on the border with Egypt and then you've got issues with controlling the Suez, and well . . . lots of not good things.

You'll have a sophisticated indigenous arms industry fall into the hands of what will likely be not so good people and all the technology that goes with it, plus the nuclear weapons.

That would be bad. Agree on that.

[star seed 7]

Bloodthirsty warpig DAX cannot allow the forever war money tap to be turned off. Remember how angry he was when Biden selflessly removed the US from Afghanistan?

[sonofdaxjones]

Some stoned frontier gibberish from the StalkerBot

#onbrand

[Kat Kid]

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240119-journalist-confronts-us-state-dept-over-gaza-university-destruction/

This is not the worst thing that the IDF has done, not the most egregious, not the worst or most outrageous thing a spokesperson has done but it is just such a great example of the work that the US does on behalf of Israel when we already have all the relevant information. What are we doing?

Here is another one that of all people TOM FRIEDMAN confronts Blinken with the asymmetry of the Israeli response, I'll leave it to all of you to evaluate if Blinken is being serious with his words, when our actions have been sending weapons to Israel and publicly defending them.

https://youtu.be/X9BS_pNK6vc?si=zWdCeYPPRPFAIKyQ&t=903

Lastly, the latest in the river to the sea discourse that was declared as "genocidal" language in many corners:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/netanyahu-from-river-sea-israel-control-1234949408/

[Kat Kid]

The thing is, all of this work "raising the issue" and "close discussions at the highest levels" and the embedded claims that we are restraining Israel belies all of the evidence of the tactics being used in this war and the incredible destruction and killing being unleashed on mostly civilians and for what?  Not any sort of lasting peace, that is never going to happen under Netanyahu. So this is all just to further entrench the occupation and make a Palestinian state impossible. This is the purpose.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-18-2024-73d552c6e73e0dc3783a0a11b2b5f67d

As for the other stated goals for the conflict:

1) destroying Hamas
2) returning the hostages

those aren't being achieved either:

   A sharp divide in Israel’s war leadership has broken into the open after former military chief Gadi Eisenkot called for elections within months and said the government was not being truthful with the public about its offensive against Hamas.

A blunt television interview, in which Eisenkot also declined to say that he trusted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, marked a widening split over key questions such as how to secure the return of hostages held by the Palestinian militant group and planning for after the war.

Eisenkot, a centrist minister and observer to the country’s war cabinet, said in the interview aired on Thursday night: “It is necessary, within a period of months, to return the Israeli voter to the polls and hold elections in order to renew trust because right now there is no trust.”

As well as echoing a call from the opposition for snap elections, he added in the interview, which was recorded over recent weeks, that “we should say bravely that it is impossible to return the hostages alive in the near future without an agreement [with Hamas]”. He said Israel should consider halting the fighting for a “significant” period of time as part of any such deal.

The former military leader, whose 25-year-old reservist son was killed in battle in Gaza last month, said the release of the hostages should be the top priority, but it would not be achieved through military force alone and anyone who said otherwise was “selling fantasies” to the public.

-Financial Times

[Kat Kid]

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/31/palestine-statehood-biden-israel-gaza-war

let's go

There are several options for U.S. action on this issue, including:

Bilaterally recognizing the state of Palestine.
Not using its veto to block the UN Security Council from admitting Palestine as a full UN member state.
Encouraging other countries to recognize Palestine.

[Pete]

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/31/palestine-statehood-biden-israel-gaza-war

let's go

There are several options for U.S. action on this issue, including:

Bilaterally recognizing the state of Palestine.
Not using its veto to block the UN Security Council from admitting Palestine as a full UN member state.
Encouraging other countries to recognize Palestine.

I’m sold. Count me in.

[wetwillie]

Is Hamas eradicated yet?

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Is Hamas eradicated yet?

Well they tend to headquarter themselves in hospitals and amid women and children soooo...yeah, pretty much wiped out

[Pete]

Is Hamas eradicated yet?

Well they tend to headquarter themselves in hospitals and amid women and children soooo...yeah, pretty much wiped out

 

[wetwillie]

Mission Accomplished time to close out this ticket

[Kat Kid]

Another hospital is evacuated in Gaza where thousands of Gazans are sheltering.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/14/world/middleeast/nasser-hospital-gaza-israel-evacuation.html

What is the end point? Is there anyone here that still supports this?