Avian carnage . .

[bubbles4ksu]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

alternative study from mindless leftists: http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jul13/sandercock71013.html

KSU is great, but there is a lot of proof right here that many mindless liberals pass through it's hallowed halls.

multiple layers of hilarious stuff in this post.

[michigancat]

FTR, no one thinks wind and solar farms should be developed unchecked besides dax's mythical friends.  I think wind farms (and oil and gas development) are great in places like much of Southern and Western Kansas where farming has already taken over the landscape, but don't really care for it on land that hasn't been developed at all.

[Emo EMAW]

FTR, no one thinks wind and solar farms should be developed unchecked besides dax's mythical friends.  I think wind farms (and oil and gas development) are great in places like much of Southern and Western Kansas where farming has already taken over the landscape, but don't really care for it on land that hasn't been developed at all.

 

[Emo EMAW]

I'll also add that wind should be close to population centers where it can be more cheaply consumed.

[SdK]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

[Emo EMAW]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

Socialism.

[SdK]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

Socialism.

You're the one asking for a more level playing field....

[Emo EMAW]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

Socialism.

You're the one asking for a more level playing field....

A more level playing field for innovation and private enterprise to compete...neither hunter nor windmill seek to eliminate a species (although one is decidedly suited to the task).

[SdK]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

Socialism.

You're the one asking for a more level playing field....

A more level playing field for innovation and private enterprise to compete...neither hunter nor windmill seek to eliminate a species (although one is decidedly suited to the task).

Invest the money you spend on hunting in a private enterprise for clean energy that you deem worthy. You'll do more for your cause in that manner than bringing hunting into the conversation. Take solace in the fact that every time you shower, walk, disinfect something, you are killing thousands of living things. Many of which enable you to exist in the first place.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

alternative study from mindless leftists: http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jul13/sandercock71013.html

KSU is great, but there is a lot of proof right here that many mindless liberals pass through it's hallowed halls.

multiple layers of hilarious stuff in this post.

Boom.

[Emo EMAW]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

Socialism.

You're the one asking for a more level playing field....

A more level playing field for innovation and private enterprise to compete...neither hunter nor windmill seek to eliminate a species (although one is decidedly suited to the task).

Invest the money you spend on hunting in a private enterprise for clean energy that you deem worthy. You'll do more for your cause in that manner than bringing hunting into the conversation. Take solace in the fact that every time you shower, walk, disinfect something, you are killing thousands of living things. Many of which enable you to exist in the first place.

I already give a fair amount to conservation organizations.  Loads more than you spend drinking cheap win in a year.

[michigancat]

WHIP OUT THE 1040'S

[SdK]

Hunter sits and waits for animal. Animal comes by. Hunter blows it out of the sky/ground.

Windmill sits and waits for a breeze. Breeze comes. Symbiosis. Windmill, while enjoying a symbiotic relationship by sitting in one spot, minds it own business and kills a bird.

I sympathize more with the windmill.


If you want to kill stuff and love a challenge, go be a mercenary. You're arguing about which man made device is more appropriate to kill animals with. One benefits many, one benefits one. Democracy.

Socialism.

You're the one asking for a more level playing field....

A more level playing field for innovation and private enterprise to compete...neither hunter nor windmill seek to eliminate a species (although one is decidedly suited to the task).

Invest the money you spend on hunting in a private enterprise for clean energy that you deem worthy. You'll do more for your cause in that manner than bringing hunting into the conversation. Take solace in the fact that every time you shower, walk, disinfect something, you are killing thousands of living things. Many of which enable you to exist in the first place.

I already give a fair amount to conservation organizations.  Loads more than you spend drinking cheap win in a year.

With stances like yours, cheap wins are easy to come by, so I should hope so.

[SdK]

You may sit down now.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FTR, no one thinks wind and solar farms should be developed unchecked besides dax's mythical friends.  I think wind farms (and oil and gas development) are great in places like much of Southern and Western Kansas where farming has already taken over the landscape, but don't really care for it on land that hasn't been developed at all.

I think we should put this bullshit right on top of the assholes who use all the energy and then complain about how it's produced. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

If you like conservation you should be opposed to wind farms.

a lesson in how a political paradigm can blind someone. we're all vulnerable(though perhaps not to this extreme).

I honestly can't tell if you're agreeing with me or making a meme of yourself.

What I am certain of, is that a lot of people on this blog don't know what conservation mean. They just fall lock, stock and barrel fossil fuel = bad, green energy = good. Those people are indoctrinated retards incapable of independent thought and who likely spend a great deal of time on liberal parody blogs like thinkprogress.

[michigancat]

FTR, no one thinks wind and solar farms should be developed unchecked besides dax's mythical friends.  I think wind farms (and oil and gas development) are great in places like much of Southern and Western Kansas where farming has already taken over the landscape, but don't really care for it on land that hasn't been developed at all.

I think we should put this bullshit right on top of the assholes who use all the energy and then complain about how it's produced.

Agree, although you do see shitloads of solar roofs in California already.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Great, those people should get 1 hour of electricity per day then. Everyone else gets zero.

[Dugout DickStone]

If you like conservation you should be opposed to wind farms.

a lesson in how a political paradigm can blind someone. we're all vulnerable(though perhaps not to this extreme).

I honestly can't tell if you're agreeing with me or making a meme of yourself.

What I am certain of, is that a lot of people on this blog don't know what conservation mean. They just fall lock, stock and barrel fossil fuel = bad, green energy = good. Those people are indoctrinated retards incapable of independent thought and who likely spend a great deal of time on liberal parody blogs like thinkprogress.

What do you think conservation means?  I probably agree with you on your definition.  but can we both agree the "windmills kill too many birds" talking point is silly?

I mean, I'm not going to live in a mud hut (a cave maybe) because a spotted frog may go extinct.  I get that animals die and species are always going down, dinosaurs died out and only Jesus could have stopped that.  Again, we are probably on same page here.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think I said the killing birds thing is dumb 10 pages ago.

That being said, to the extent conserving habitat is important, wind farms are the worst wastes of habitat imaginable.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Strip mining is more eco - friendly than wind farms.

[puniraptor]

Strip mining is more eco - friendly than wind farms.

Laughable claim. Source:  my smell test.

Test method:  smell

Result:  stinky

[Dugout DickStone]

I think I said the killing birds thing is dumb 10 pages ago.

That being said, to the extent conserving habitat is important, wind farms are the worst wastes of habitat imaginable.

Conserving habitat is important.  I was out west for work and there is a huge wind farm between Dodge City and Hanston.  It looked pretty benign as far as ruining habitat.  It basically looked like all of the other field around that area except for the turbines, with fences around them.  What's the diff?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think I said the killing birds thing is dumb 10 pages ago.

That being said, to the extent conserving habitat is important, wind farms are the worst wastes of habitat imaginable.

Conserving habitat is important.  I was out west for work and there is a huge wind farm between Dodge City and Hanston.  It looked pretty benign as far as ruining habitat.  It basically looked like all of the other field around that area except for the turbines, with fences around them.  What's the diff?

You didn't see the roads, transmission lines, power stations, etc.? You didn't notice the dearth of life. It basically makes half the surface estate unusable for any other purpose and no living being will go anywhere near it. Probably the only part of your drive where you didn't see cattle or a hawk or anything.

The strip mining thing wasn't a flame. These things waste square miles of habitat for all living beings. At least strip mining is concentrated to a few hundred acres.

[bubbles4ksu]

Strip mining is more eco - friendly than wind farms.

a lesson in how a political paradigm can blind someone.