Avian carnage . .

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Strip mining is more eco - friendly than wind farms.

a lesson in how a political paradigm can blind someone.

Good meme.

[Dugout DickStone]

I think I said the killing birds thing is dumb 10 pages ago.

That being said, to the extent conserving habitat is important, wind farms are the worst wastes of habitat imaginable.

Conserving habitat is important.  I was out west for work and there is a huge wind farm between Dodge City and Hanston.  It looked pretty benign as far as ruining habitat.  It basically looked like all of the other field around that area except for the turbines, with fences around them.  What's the diff?

You didn't see the roads, transmission lines, power stations, etc.? You didn't notice the dearth of life. It basically makes half the surface estate unusable for any other purpose and no living being will go anywhere near it. Probably the only part of your drive where you didn't see cattle or a hawk or anything.

The strip mining thing wasn't a flame. These things waste square miles of habitat for all living beings. At least strip mining is concentrated to a few hundred acres.

There were cows around.  Not many, for sure.   That land is about worthless to graze.

Don't you think if the land was better used to graze cows, the owners would do that?  Isn't this the perfect example of the free market taking over?  Land makes more $$ for owner as a wind farm = not grazing it.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think I said the killing birds thing is dumb 10 pages ago.

That being said, to the extent conserving habitat is important, wind farms are the worst wastes of habitat imaginable.

Conserving habitat is important.  I was out west for work and there is a huge wind farm between Dodge City and Hanston.  It looked pretty benign as far as ruining habitat.  It basically looked like all of the other field around that area except for the turbines, with fences around them.  What's the diff?

You didn't see the roads, transmission lines, power stations, etc.? You didn't notice the dearth of life. It basically makes half the surface estate unusable for any other purpose and no living being will go anywhere near it. Probably the only part of your drive where you didn't see cattle or a hawk or anything.

The strip mining thing wasn't a flame. These things waste square miles of habitat for all living beings. At least strip mining is concentrated to a few hundred acres.

There were cows around.  Not many, for sure.   That land is about worthless to graze.

Don't you think if the land was better used to graze cows, the owners would do that?  Isn't this the perfect example of the free market taking over?  Land makes more $$ for owner as a wind farm = not grazing it.

Do you want to talk about free markets or conservation? If free markets were in issue, wind mills would have ceased to exist minutes after the pump was invented.

[Dugout DickStone]

Point is, that land is barren.  Why not try and generate some electricity?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Point is, that land is barren.  Why not try and generate some electricity?

Because we want to conserve native habitat?  The same reason we don't cut down the national forest for fuel.

[Dugout DickStone]

Because tons of effective power is generated from burning wood.  Are you serious?  Cutting wood?  We aren't cutting national forests (with all of the abundant wood based energy) to save habitat?

No way I have to tell you that's simply wrong.

[Dugout DickStone]

 I feel bad that the damn libs have shut down the nations huge wood burning power plants.

[Dugout DickStone]

If we'd just harvest the pines of Yellowstone, we'd free the US from dependence on oil

[star seed 7]

I have an e-crush on dugout

[sys]

i'm grateful for threads like this one.  it helps remind me that although the work i do seems mind-bogglingly simple, if not actually Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), that somehow the majority of adult americans are so stupid they apparently can't even discuss these issues coherently.

[star seed 7]

i'm grateful for threads like this one.  it helps remind me that although the work i do seems mind-bogglingly simple, if not actually Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), that somehow the majority of adult americans are so stupid they apparently can't even discuss these issues coherently.

dad 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Because tons of effective power is generated from burning wood.  Are you serious?  Cutting wood?  We aren't cutting national forests (with all of the abundant wood based energy) to save habitat?

No way I have to tell you that's simply wrong.

Okay, for timber then. Think of all the great things that could be built if 2x4 were 20 cents instead of $2.

The conservation issue is the same. Stop confusing it with free markets. Conservation perverts free markets.

[sonofdaxjones]

The road to sustainable "green" energy is filled with billions of tons of hydrocarbons consumed and substantial environmental impact.

The way some act on here I keep picturing Gen. Buck Turgidson sitting at the table in front of the "Big Board" telling President Muffley that launching a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia would keep U.S. casualties at an "acceptable" level, no more than 10-20 million killed . . . depending on the breaks.

[michigancat]

Does anyone else love it when dax puts "green" in quotes as much as me?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Another thing worth noting is that oil(fuel, lube and plastics) and wind (electricity and bird shredding) aren't exactly in direct competition with each other. The proliferation of one does not obviate the other. Most libtards think more wind = less oil, which of course is wrong.

Secret Info: Sugar Dick likes wind energy, just not in its current form.

[SdK]

Because tons of effective power is generated from burning wood.  Are you serious?  Cutting wood?  We aren't cutting national forests (with all of the abundant wood based energy) to save habitat?

No way I have to tell you that's simply wrong.

Okay, for timber then. Think of all the great things that could be built if 2x4 were 20 cents instead of $2.

The conservation issue is the same. Stop confusing it with free markets. Conservation perverts free markets.

Actually cheap lumber is the worst. Go to your local Home Depot sometime and look at how warped all of their cheap 2x4s are.

[Dugout DickStone]

Because tons of effective power is generated from burning wood.  Are you serious?  Cutting wood?  We aren't cutting national forests (with all of the abundant wood based energy) to save habitat?

No way I have to tell you that's simply wrong.

Okay, for timber then. Think of all the great things that could be built if 2x4 were 20 cents instead of $2.

The conservation issue is the same. Stop confusing it with free markets. Conservation perverts free markets.

Stick to your guns pussy

[sys]

thanks, obama.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27426866

[Dugout DickStone]

sys really wearing out the BBC webpage this am.  Top O the Morning guvnah!

[sonofdaxjones]

thanks, obama.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27426866

Sys channeling his inner Gen. Buck Turgidson.

http://youtu.be/HgyjlqhiTV8?t=2m12s

[SdK]

thanks, obama.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27426866

Sys channeling his inner Gen. Buck Turgidson.

http://youtu.be/HgyjlqhiTV8?t=2m12s

How did I not know George C. Scott played another general. I Patton.