Avian carnage . .

[Emo EMAW]

I came here to post that I almost hit a hawk/eagle on the highway today, he was munching on some roadkill in the median then started to take off across the highway. If I did not slow down there would of been Avian Carnage all up in my grill.


Also, reading this thread for the first time I found it pretty funny that Emo was complaining about Wind Engery/O&G killing so many birds that there are very few left for him to kill.

It is funny from an outsider's perspective, I understand that.

Most wild galliformes (pheasant, quail, grouse) don't live a full year.  Probably less than 25%.  But they can be very successful breeders with the right conditions.  So like the same "spot" can suck one year and be awesome the next if the habitat is there.  But if you remove the habitat it will suck no matter what.  The point being, hunters kill very few birds compared to hawks and other predators, or disease, or accident, or whatever.  But we do a lot to protect habitat to ensure that the population can sustain itself.  Like I said earlier in this thread, multiple studies have shown that hunting pressure has no correlation to bird populations.

[CNS]

I have heard from a MO DOW guy that a large issue with bird pop is the type of grass being planted for hay being too dense as well as the removal of fence row tree structure.    

I heard this several years ago.  Maybe we hadn't realized that non-existent(at that time) wind farms were really just dicing up everything.

[Emo EMAW]

That's totally true in MO.  The fescue is bad bad news for the quail.  We have those same issues here in the eastern third of KS.  My buddy manages some land near Columbia for quail and it's a mother rough rider to keep the fescue out.  They Round-up it every other year. 

[Dugout DickStone]

We can agree that windmills aren't decimating any bird populations short of the Lesser North American Idiot Sparrow.

[bubbles4ksu]

Serious Q: Could the 13 year drought we're currently in be affecting the quail population or do they thrive in dry heat?

[michigancat]

Jeez I serve a softball up to you hippies and the squeeze is on and you forget to swing.   

Pro-tip:  it's not wind (or suburban development) killing the sage grouse.  It's O&G and probably some disease and overgrazing.

Pro tip: who do you think needs that oil and gas?

[Cartierfor3]

We can agree that windmills aren't decimating any bird populations short of the Lesser North American Idiot Sparrow.

I know I made a minor dent in it this spring.

Serious Q: Could the 13 year drought we're currently in be affecting the quail population or do they thrive in dry heat?

Probably could be affecting it, however that's not the topic of discussion bubs.

[Emo EMAW]

Serious Q: Could the 13 year drought we're currently in be affecting the quail population or do they thrive in dry heat?

Well the drought isn't quite that long.  As recent as 2009 we could move 40 coveys a day in Texas.  But it certainly is hurting them BIG time.  But it goes back to habitat.  Drought will affect populations season to season.  Other things like wind/O&G development affect them in the long term.

[Spracne]

An old sage told me
Sage grouse don't die of old age-
It's bullet, or blades

[bubbles4ksu]

We can agree that windmills aren't decimating any bird populations short of the Lesser North American Idiot Sparrow.

I know I made a minor dent in it this spring.

Serious Q: Could the 13 year drought we're currently in be affecting the quail population or do they thrive in dry heat?

Probably could be affecting it, however that's not the topic of discussion bubs.

it's where i'm taking the discussion, you sonofabitch.

[Emo EMAW]

http://www.pnl.gov/main/publications/external/technical_reports/pnnl-18567.pdf

Wind energy development could likewise become a major issue for sage-grouse population
management. The associated infrastructure and human activities, as well as effects unique to wind, may
pose some threats to the species, similar to those that result from oil and gas development. The
development of wind energy in conjunction with oil and gas (as well as other types of development) may
pose cumulative synergistic direct and indirect effects on sage-grouse that are worthy of consideration.

Because large-scale development of wind energy resources is recent and ongoing, many of the
potential impacts of wind energy development on sage-grouse have not been studied. However, potential
development impacts to grouse population can be anticipated from studies of oil and gas development
effects on the species. Identifying important information gaps regarding effects of wind energy
development on sage-grouse, as well as the research needs and priorities that will fill these gaps, is a
critical component of long-term strategies to enable both resource development and species protection.

[Cartierfor3]

We can agree that windmills aren't decimating any bird populations short of the Lesser North American Idiot Sparrow.

I know I made a minor dent in it this spring.

Serious Q: Could the 13 year drought we're currently in be affecting the quail population or do they thrive in dry heat?

Probably could be affecting it, however that's not the topic of discussion bubs.

it's where i'm taking the discussion, you sonofabitch.

guys GE has gotten really mean lately.

[michigancat]

http://www.pnl.gov/main/publications/external/technical_reports/pnnl-18567.pdf

Wind energy development could likewise become a major issue for sage-grouse population
management. The associated infrastructure and human activities, as well as effects unique to wind, may
pose some threats to the species, similar to those that result from oil and gas development. The
development of wind energy in conjunction with oil and gas (as well as other types of development) may
pose cumulative synergistic direct and indirect effects on sage-grouse that are worthy of consideration.

Because large-scale development of wind energy resources is recent and ongoing, many of the
potential impacts of wind energy development on sage-grouse have not been studied. However, potential
development impacts to grouse population can be anticipated from studies of oil and gas development
effects on the species. Identifying important information gaps regarding effects of wind energy
development on sage-grouse, as well as the research needs and priorities that will fill these gaps, is a
critical component of long-term strategies to enable both resource development and species protection.

Very little is known about wind energy and sage-grouse, but oil- and gas-field developments within
the range of the sage-grouse often have caused measureable effects to their populations.

It is not known to what extent the development of wind energy resources will affect sage-grouse
populations.

I mean, I'm not even doubting wind energy would have an impact, just enjoying that you shared this.

[Emo EMAW]

Just sharing what we know and don't know. 

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[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

As I stated earlier, wind farms destroy far more habitat than O&G development, whether libtards like it or not. If you like conservation you should be opposed to wind farms. If you're a mindless leftist like michigancat, keep on keeping on with your ignorant ideals.

[CNS]

That huge wind spill last year still hasn't been cleaned up fully.

[michigancat]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

alternative study from mindless leftists: http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jul13/sandercock71013.html

[Dugout DickStone]

goddam.  mcat with the best source known to man

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

alternative study from mindless leftists: http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jul13/sandercock71013.html

1) different species
2) not persuasive (likely self serving) to US Fish & Wildlife who ultimately got the LESSER PC listed.
3) the results of that study would equally implicate O&G development as it is not as tall, noisy and uses less surface than (things prairie chicken's supposedly hate) than wind.

Do you have the slightest idea as to what you're talking about?

[Dugout DickStone]

We can all agree that no one cares about the Lesser Prairie Chicken.  Good riddance, I say

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

We can all agree that no one cares about the Lesser Prairie Chicken.  Good riddance, I say

I think this is a good point. Millions of species have come and gone over the history of the earth. Why should we curtail our enjoyment of the planet to preserve the existence of some species afraid of trees?

[michigancat]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

alternative study from mindless leftists: http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jul13/sandercock71013.html

1) different species
2) not persuasive (likely self serving) to US Fish & Wildlife who ultimately got the LESSER PC listed.
3) the results of that study would equally implicate O&G development as it is not as tall, noisy and uses less surface than (things prairie chicken's supposedly hate) than wind.

ok

[bubbles4ksu]

If you like conservation you should be opposed to wind farms.

a lesson in how a political paradigm can blind someone. we're all vulnerable(though perhaps not to this extreme).

[Emo EMAW]

We can all agree that no one cares about the Lesser Prairie Chicken.  Good riddance, I say

 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

US Fish & Wildlife thinks wind farms are 10-15 times more damaging for the Lesser Prairie Chicken (a grouse).

alternative study from mindless leftists: http://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/jul13/sandercock71013.html

KSU is great, but there is a lot of proof right here that many mindless liberals pass through it's hallowed halls.