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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2014, 05:08:32 PM »
Like this season

I couldn't do it year after year.

well, you have to consider what happens if you let them go. I look at a place like NC State running off Herb Sendek after 5 straight boring NCAA tournament seasons, hiring Sidney Lowe and promptly missing the tournament 5 years in a row. It's really hard to start over with a new coach, especially when the guy you're firing wasn't an ace recruiter. (Oddly enough, Sendek's replacement at NCState actually recruited really well and helped Gottfried out a ton.)

If there's examples of uninspiring coaches who have been fired despite going to the NCAA tournament every year and then getting surpassed by their replacements, I'd love to hear them.

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2014, 05:28:18 PM »
I think the only reason anyone is content with this year is because everyone expects better things from the next 3 seasons. I think if we were losing a lot of our players between now and next season, even the tucks would be upset.

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2014, 06:06:01 PM »
the excuse is always going to be next year, it's just dumb


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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2014, 09:02:54 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2014, 09:08:02 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.
Meh it's not THAT hard

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2014, 09:11:15 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.
Meh it's not THAT hard

it's pretty hard.
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2014, 09:12:51 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.
Meh it's not THAT hard

it's pretty hard.
Not that hard for a major confo team.  Just need to finish ~ .500 in confo...

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2014, 09:15:42 PM »
It's hard to do every year.

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2014, 09:16:15 PM »
not always.  this year was sort of anomalous.  and finishing .500 in a major conference isn't easy.
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2014, 09:17:42 PM »
It's hard to do every year.

You really just have to put forth an effort is all.  If a major confo school really wants to make the tournament they will.

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2014, 09:22:59 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2014, 10:36:19 PM »
That is a disturbing bulge there. Yeesh

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2014, 10:43:13 PM »
It's hard to do every year.

You really just have to put forth an effort is all.  If a major confo school really wants to make the tournament they will.

WVU REALLY wanted to make the tournament this year, and they didn't. :dunno:
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2014, 10:44:29 PM »
It's hard to do every year.

You really just have to put forth an effort is all.  If a major confo school really wants to make the tournament they will.

WVU REALLY wanted to make the tournament this year, and they didn't. :dunno:
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2014, 11:25:21 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.

You're supposed to tuck your undershirt into your underwear?  Who the eff decided this?

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2014, 11:28:03 PM »
You'd never have to walk the plank with that bulge. She'd be the one walking the plank, amirite fanning?!? :)
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2014, 11:30:32 PM »
people aren't appreciating how hard it is to get in the tournament.  this season bored the crap out of me, but it was an impressive accomplishment.

You're supposed to tuck your undershirt into your underwear?  Who the eff decided this?

That sounds like it would be terribly uncomfortable. Do people actually do this?
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2014, 11:35:07 PM »
Seems like an army guy thing maybe

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2014, 03:10:25 AM »
underwear????
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2014, 07:00:12 AM »
Seems like an army guy thing maybe

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2014, 11:06:10 AM »
buldge????
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2014, 11:48:19 AM »
I think the only reason anyone is content with this year is because everyone expects better things from the next 3 seasons. I think if we were losing a lot of our players between now and next season, even the tucks would be upset.

Of course, this doesn't seem that hard to comprehend. Also, nicname has made some very reasonable points in this thread IMHO.

There are really only 2 reasons people are concerned right now. a) A strong dislike of oscar Weber. b) K-State lost in the first round last year with a high seed. Its probably at least 80% the former.

There are plenty of disappointing aspects from this season. Losing our last 4 games, especially Baylor at home. Not winning on the road, especially games like UT, ISU, and WVU. Not winning a game in the tournament. Terrible losses to No Colorado and Charlotte to begin the year. Lack of development and leadership by Shane and Will as seniors.

However, there is still plenty to build on, namely a roster that has more talent than I expected based on recruiting, including one of the Top 5 returning players in the Big 12. If Foster hadn't become what he is, I'd certainly be much less excited about not only next year, but the immediate future. Plus I see plenty of potential in most of oscar's other recruits, especially Westicles, but also Thomas, and both Johnsons. I'm excited about the prospect of what Edwards can do, and to a lesser extent Bolden and Hurt. Frankly, the program is in much better shape than I imagined it would be when oscar was hired because I did not necessarily expect a Big 12 title and 2 NCAA appearances his first 2 seasons.

The next 3 years are big for oscar and for K-State basketball and I have high expectations. Over the next 3 seasons I expect K-State to contend (finish within 2 games) of at least one Big 12 title. I expect 3 more NCAA tournaments and a .500 record in the tournament over the course of those 3 trips (which means at least one Sweet 16). I expect the Cats to win at least 40% of our road games and at least 90% at home. I expect this staff to recruit at a level that after Foster and most of the current roster leaves another group of players is ready to pick up and build off what they did. If oscar doesn't achieve all of those things I will be disappointed, though it depends on what level he fails that I will call for a coaching change. Regardless, based on what he's done so far, I think he has earned those 3 years to show if he can truly build off the good situation he inherited and a situation that he's at least maintained (if not made better) during his first 2 seasons.


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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2014, 12:12:49 PM »
I think the only reason anyone is content with this year is because everyone expects better things from the next 3 seasons. I think if we were losing a lot of our players between now and next season, even the tucks would be upset.

Of course, this doesn't seem that hard to comprehend. Also, nicname has made some very reasonable points in this thread IMHO.

There are really only 2 reasons people are concerned right now. a) A strong dislike of oscar Weber. b) K-State lost in the first round last year with a high seed. Its probably at least 80% the former.

There are plenty of disappointing aspects from this season. Losing our last 4 games, especially Baylor at home. Not winning on the road, especially games like UT, ISU, and WVU. Not winning a game in the tournament. Terrible losses to No Colorado and Charlotte to begin the year. Lack of development and leadership by Shane and Will as seniors.

However, there is still plenty to build on, namely a roster that has more talent than I expected based on recruiting, including one of the Top 5 returning players in the Big 12. If Foster hadn't become what he is, I'd certainly be much less excited about not only next year, but the immediate future. Plus I see plenty of potential in most of oscar's other recruits, especially Westicles, but also Thomas, and both Johnsons. I'm excited about the prospect of what Edwards can do, and to a lesser extent Bolden and Hurt. Frankly, the program is in much better shape than I imagined it would be when oscar was hired because I did not necessarily expect a Big 12 title and 2 NCAA appearances his first 2 seasons.

The next 3 years are big for oscar and for K-State basketball and I have high expectations. Over the next 3 seasons I expect K-State to contend (finish within 2 games) of at least one Big 12 title. I expect 3 more NCAA tournaments and a .500 record in the tournament over the course of those 3 trips (which means at least one Sweet 16). I expect the Cats to win at least 40% of our road games and at least 90% at home. I expect this staff to recruit at a level that after Foster and most of the current roster leaves another group of players is ready to pick up and build off what they did. If oscar doesn't achieve all of those things I will be disappointed, though it depends on what level he fails that I will call for a coaching change. Regardless, based on what he's done so far, I think he has earned those 3 years to show if he can truly build off the good situation he inherited and a situation that he's at least maintained (if not made better) during his first 2 seasons.

If he loses in the first round the next two years, or misses the tourney one of those years, then I wouldn't think it'd be unreasonable to want a change. I don't think that will happen, but I'd be pretty fed up with oscar if it did.
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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2014, 12:18:53 PM »
_FAN is very patient when it comes to evaluating coaches.  I like that about him.  Also, I hate that about him.

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Re: Leadership Development
« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2014, 12:20:48 PM »
I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.