Leadership Development

[pissclams]

_FAN is very patient when it comes to evaluating coaches.  I like that about him.  Also, I hate that about him.

maybe you should invent a coaching talent evaluation machine and 3D print it  

[Spracne]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

[kso_FAN]

_FAN is very patient when it comes to evaluating coaches.  I like that about him.  Also, I hate that about him.

I think I have high (but fair) expectations for the next 3 years. IMO oscar has passed (I'd grade him at a B or B-) his first 2 years of transition from Frank's program to his. There are still a few lingering parts, but its pretty much his program now.

[ydarg2012]

_FAN is very patient when it comes to evaluating coaches.  I like that about him.  Also, I hate that about him.

I think I have high (but fair) expectations for the next 3 years. IMO oscar has passed (I'd grade him at a B or B-) his first 2 years of transition from Frank's program to his. There are still a few lingering parts, but its pretty much his program now.

What would you grade his first few years at Illinois? Or is that an unfair comparison?

[ChiComCat]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

I can't think of a Frank team that lacked leadership.  I don't know if that is a credit to Frank or the fearless guards he brought in (Pullen/Angel/Denis) but I certainly wouldn't say he hurt leadership potential.

[steve dave]

If you had told me after we hired him that oscar would share the conference title once and lose in the first round of the NCAA twice in his first two season I would have happily accepted that. I'd give him a B+ so far.

[ydarg2012]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

I can't think of a Frank team that lacked leadership.  I don't know if that is a credit to Frank or the fearless guards he brought in (Pullen/Angel/Denis) but I certainly wouldn't say he hurt leadership potential.

 You are 100% right.  I had my mind stuck on this years seniors and wondering if their lack of leadership development could be tied to their handling by Frank.  Is it your opinion if Angel hadn't left he would have been a leader on this years team?

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I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

[steve dave]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

yes, lol at this

[kso_FAN]

Yeah, all the evidence says that Frank's players (that weren't Franked) loved Frank. And they played really, really hard for him.

[Cire]

how many years are on oscar's contract?

in other words, what year is going to be the fire or extend year?

[kso_FAN]

how many years are on oscar's contract?

in other words, what year is going to be the fire or extend year?

He got an additional year last year and he's signed through the 17-18 season.

[pissclams]

boys just sit back and enjoy the magical carpet ride, that's what i always say

[Spracne]

I really was expecting at least 1 .pptx in this thread.  WTF?

[_33]

_FAN is very patient when it comes to evaluating coaches.  I like that about him.  Also, I hate that about him.

maybe you should invent a coaching talent evaluation machine and 3D print it

I will right after I finish printing this shut up machine for you idiot.

[Skipper44]

how many years are on oscar's contract?

in other words, what year is going to be the fire or extend year?

He got an additional year last year and he's signed through the 17-18 season.

I can realistically see no way Weber is ever fired if Currie is still the AD.  It would take something unprecedented in oscar's career like a major off court incident or a winless conference season.

[ChiComCat]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

I can't think of a Frank team that lacked leadership.  I don't know if that is a credit to Frank or the fearless guards he brought in (Pullen/Angel/Denis) but I certainly wouldn't say he hurt leadership potential.

 You are 100% right.  I had my mind stuck on this years seniors and wondering if their lack of leadership development could be tied to their handling by Frank.  Is it your opinion if Angel hadn't left he would have been a leader on this years team?

I think Angel was a leader on last years team.

[pissclams]

how many years are on oscar's contract?

in other words, what year is going to be the fire or extend year?

He got an additional year last year and he's signed through the 17-18 season.

I can realistically see no way Weber is ever fired if Currie is still the AD.  It would take something unprecedented in oscar's career like a major off court incident or a winless conference season.

welp, hopefully no matter what happens oscar gets fired, right?

[MakeItRain]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

What do you mean? Poorly, right? Did you read the first post in this thread?

Your point about Frank is completely made up and dumb. Did you follow K-State basketball under Frank Martin? The "shake and bake" video, that same year when ABC/ESPN followed the team and Bill Walker clowned LeBron James, Tournament Confidential, the tunnel dance; those teams seemed like the most fun teams ever. What the hell are you talking about?

[MakeItRain]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

I can't think of a Frank team that lacked leadership.  I don't know if that is a credit to Frank or the fearless guards he brought in (Pullen/Angel/Denis) but I certainly wouldn't say he hurt leadership potential.

 You are 100% right.  I had my mind stuck on this years seniors and wondering if their lack of leadership development could be tied to their handling by Frank.  Is it your opinion if Angel hadn't left he would have been a leader on this years team?

You thought that even though they played for another coach as juniors and seniors? Did they have ptsdin your mind too?

[HerrSonntag]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

What do you mean? Poorly, right? Did you read the first post in this thread?

Your point about Frank is completely made up and dumb. Did you follow K-State basketball under Frank Martin? The "shake and bake" video, that same year when ABC/ESPN followed the team and Bill Walker clowned LeBron James, Tournament Confidential, the tunnel dance; those teams seemed like the most fun teams ever. What the hell are you talking about?

Maybe tunnel dancing was like a form of discipline: "You miss another rebound and you're running 20 stairs and dancing down 5 tunnels!!!"

[CHONGS]

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[CHONGS]

I'm sure it has been discussed but the one thing that keeps coming back to mind is how he treats his players.  The fact that he gives them opportunities to interact with each other and build team chemistry has such a great chance to turn into leadership potential.  I don't have the initial source for the info, but I remember reading that Frank kept the fun to a minimum which killed team chemistry.  With oscar's players being in a happier environment over the course of four years I can see that there might be an easier time for players to trust each other in game situations. 

Call me kstate0 for believing in the intangibles, but I think this is why oscar is our guy and why the leadership development is coming.

ouch

[CNS]

Yarddog took a real shot to the nuts there.