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If Adams goes away for murder that is really stupid, regardless of whether it is standard or not
No. Adams is the other robber, right? He is a bad guy, and I get that, but he isn't a murderer. He wasn't part of planning a murder, and he didn't murder anyone, so he shouldn't be charged with murder.
Quote from: 8manpick on July 25, 2014, 07:42:29 PMNo. Adams is the other robber, right? He is a bad guy, and I get that, but he isn't a murderer. He wasn't part of planning a murder, and he didn't murder anyone, so he shouldn't be charged with murder.that's too bad, would have been a nice gotcha moment if you were one of them. oh well.
Quote from: 8manpick on July 25, 2014, 03:56:06 PMIf Adams goes away for murder that is really stupid, regardless of whether it is standard or notare you one of the libtards that has argued that people should held responsible if their gun is used in a crime, involved in an accident, etc?i know posters in this thread have, but i don't want to make assumptions. also don't want to go back and look.
I was one those people and I don't see how my thinking with one has to do with thinking Adams shouldn't be held responsible for the murder of the girl.
Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on July 25, 2014, 08:09:18 PMI was one those people and I don't see how my thinking with one has to do with thinking Adams shouldn't be held responsible for the murder of the girl.responsibility for consequences of one's decisions. regardless of intent or probability of the result.
With no separation between the group you are with and the group you are not with? I can agree with consequences for the group you are not associated with but cannot see being punished for a mishap that befalls a comrade.
Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on July 25, 2014, 08:25:17 PMWith no separation between the group you are with and the group you are not with? I can agree with consequences for the group you are not associated with but cannot see being punished for a mishap that befalls a comrade. that distinction was not made with the responsibility of gun owners for their guns.
Ok. Agree to disagree.
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
Criminally responsible, yes, but I don't see how his actions satisfy the mens rea component of murder.
Quote from: michigancat on July 25, 2014, 09:42:49 PMI think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.I as well
Quote from: steve dave on July 25, 2014, 10:48:59 PMQuote from: michigancat on July 25, 2014, 09:42:49 PMI think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.I as wellIf I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?