Post by: star seed 7 on February 18, 2014, 07:01:20 PM
Post by: p1k3 on February 18, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 18, 2014, 10:58:20 PM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
Post by: Katpappy on February 18, 2014, 11:44:16 PM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50What a murdering son of a bitch. :angry: Probably a rough ridin' racist bastard. :bang:
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2014, 03:30:40 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 19, 2014, 08:36:08 AM
Post by: 8manpick on February 19, 2014, 08:46:26 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on February 19, 2014, 08:48:03 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 08:52:02 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
Irresponsible people have rights, too, fuckface.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 19, 2014, 09:00:42 AM
How is that considered first degree murder?
You go outside with your loaded gun shoot into a car without being threatened, you are intending to take a life while not fearing for your own.
Post by: Bloodfart on February 19, 2014, 09:15:58 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
It only took 30 minutes for me to walk in and buy a mini 14 from walmart a couple weeks ago. No waiting period just show a drivers licence and fill out a computerized back round check and Voilà. It shoots .223 or 5.56 NATO and they make 30 round mags for it. I have no interest in the high capacity mags. I just thought it was interesting how easy and fast the process was for purchasing a gun with capabilities like that. Walmart also sells AR 15s.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 09:18:48 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
It only took 30 minutes for me to walk in and buy a mini 14 from walmart a couple weeks ago. No waiting period just show a drivers licence and fill out a computerized back round check and Voilà. It shoots .223 or 5.56 NATO and they make 30 round mags for it. I have no interest in the high capacity mags. I just thought it was interesting how easy and fast the process was for purchasing a gun with capabilities like that. Walmart also sells AR 15s.
Who are you going to shoot first?
Post by: Bloodfart on February 19, 2014, 09:20:50 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
It only took 30 minutes for me to walk in and buy a mini 14 from walmart a couple weeks ago. No waiting period just show a drivers licence and fill out a computerized back round check and Voilà. It shoots .223 or 5.56 NATO and they make 30 round mags for it. I have no interest in the high capacity mags. I just thought it was interesting how easy and fast the process was for purchasing a gun with capabilities like that. Walmart also sells AR 15s.
Who are you going to shoot first?
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 19, 2014, 09:24:16 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
It only took 30 minutes for me to walk in and buy a mini 14 from walmart a couple weeks ago. No waiting period just show a drivers licence and fill out a computerized back round check and Voilà. It shoots .223 or 5.56 NATO and they make 30 round mags for it. I have no interest in the high capacity mags. I just thought it was interesting how easy and fast the process was for purchasing a gun with capabilities like that. Walmart also sells AR 15s.
Who are you going to shoot first?
I say wait until you see someone unarmed in a car. Don't rush your thrill killing. It will make it all that more fulfilling when your blood lust is sated.
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2014, 09:27:12 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 09:56:02 AM
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/arkansas-girl-15-pulls-prank-shot-to-death-by-homeowner/article/371491#ixzz2tgmXmn50
What gives you the impression he's a responsible gun owner?
well aren't there like restrictions on who can get guns? i assume someone who owns a gun must be a responsible owner.
It only took 30 minutes for me to walk in and buy a mini 14 from walmart a couple weeks ago. No waiting period just show a drivers licence and fill out a computerized back round check and Voilà. It shoots .223 or 5.56 NATO and they make 30 round mags for it. I have no interest in the high capacity mags. I just thought it was interesting how easy and fast the process was for purchasing a gun with capabilities like that. Walmart also sells AR 15s.
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 19, 2014, 10:14:46 AM
All his life he has wanted to shoot someone to death but he is too much of a twerp to join the military and go into combat and too much of a loser to join the police. this was his chance and sure, it wasn't perfect (unarmed kids in a parked car), but he had to seize it because there is no telling when he would have another opportunity to shoot someone to death.
Post by: Bloodfart on February 19, 2014, 10:19:21 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 19, 2014, 10:35:18 AM
How is that considered first degree murder?
Different states have different standards for what constitutes "premeditated" - but if you fetch your gun and walk outside to unload into a fleeing car, you're absolutely gonna get charged with Murder 1.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 10:36:43 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Post by: puniraptor on February 19, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
check out the study on the effects of missouri removing all PITAs from gun purchasing
ill try to find a link later
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2014, 10:43:05 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
check out the study on the effects of missouri removing all PITAs from gun purchasing
ill try to find a link later
save your time, he doesn't care.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
check out the study on the effects of missouri removing all PITAs from gun purchasing
ill try to find a link later
save your time, he doesn't care.
I don't. :D
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 10:51:54 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
I think essay questions would be an excellent place to start. Then the answers could be sent to a psychiatrist for evaluation, and if everything checks out, that person could come pick up his/her gun.
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 19, 2014, 10:54:13 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
I think essay questions would be an excellent place to start. Then the answers could be sent to a psychiatrist for evaluation, and if everything checks out, that person could come pick up his/her gun.
No, I like Emo's idea better where we just give a gun to whoever wants one and then find out later if there are responsible.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 19, 2014, 10:57:49 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
I think essay questions would be an excellent place to start. Then the answers could be sent to a psychiatrist for evaluation, and if everything checks out, that person could come pick up his/her gun.
And just to make sure the system isn't abused and remains totally impartial, we should get the IRS involved somehow.
Post by: The Big Train on February 19, 2014, 11:03:39 AM
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 19, 2014, 11:05:12 AM
I'm not for shooting someone but is he just supposed to throw rocks at them or something while they mess his crap up?
are you f*cking serious?
Post by: puniraptor on February 19, 2014, 11:06:55 AM
JUDGEMENT: GUILTY
SENTENCE: DEATH
Post by: The Big Train on February 19, 2014, 11:09:04 AM
Post by: Bloodfart on February 19, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
Post by: puniraptor on February 19, 2014, 11:12:38 AM
So they weren't guilty, it was just some phantom? Like I said, don't shoot them but just call the cops and deal with it?
there is an endless list of other things he could have done that wouldn't have left anyone dead.
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2014, 11:13:51 AM
What would a gE.com gun application form look like?
post in thread, steve dave tells you if you are allowed to have a gun
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2014, 11:14:30 AM
So they weren't guilty, it was just some phantom?
you are really beating the eff out of all those strawmen arguing that they didn't do it.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2014, 11:15:07 AM
What would a gE.com gun application form look like?
Are you a piece of crap? [Y] [N] (don't forget not to lie)
Post by: puniraptor on February 19, 2014, 11:15:21 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2014, 11:16:46 AM
personally, i would have turned on the porchlight and stood on the porch shaking my fist at them
And then laughed as my kid had to clean his car up
Post by: Paul Moscow on February 19, 2014, 11:18:12 AM
personally, i would have turned on the porchlight and stood on the porch shaking my fist at them
I'd probably turn to my wife (in curlers and robe waiting pensively in the hallway) and say something like, "Well honey, at least they didn't take the newspaper" and then go to sleep.
Post by: Bloodfart on February 19, 2014, 11:18:48 AM
What would a gE.com gun application form look like?
post in thread, steve dave tells you if you are allowed to have a gun
That would be an awesome thread.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 11:22:38 AM
Why should this process be a PITA? IMO I should be able to pick up a Glock as an impulse buy, right next to the gum at checkout, at Wal-Mart.
I'm not saying it should be a PITA, just that it's super easy and fast and I don't believe that backround check is legit. I mean the questions are multiple choice.
Should the questions be essay or something? :sdeek:
It's against the law to lie on those things, FWIW.
I think essay questions would be an excellent place to start. Then the answers could be sent to a psychiatrist for evaluation, and if everything checks out, that person could come pick up his/her gun.
Subjective.
Post by: Tobias on February 19, 2014, 11:27:27 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 19, 2014, 11:31:41 AM
yeah, what if you need to shoot someone that very minute
like you are pissed at your ex-wife and you are meeting her to drop off the kids in like 45 minutes?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 11:40:35 AM
1. If you were a bullet, what type of bullet would you be, and why?
2. What is your favorite domestic light beer? What makes it stand apart from the rest?
3. What would you say is the coolest-looking gun on the market? If this is not the gun you are purchasing, why not?
Post by: Cire on February 19, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Post by: Bloodfart on February 19, 2014, 11:48:21 AM
Do you like cats and/or dogs and why?
Are you having a good day?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 11:51:05 AM
What is the purpose for purchasing this firearm?
Do you like cats and/or dogs and why?
Are you having a good day?
Those are good questions, too. Especially the cats/dogs one. They would probably need to mix the questions up so people wouldn't be able to cheat as easily.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
What is the purpose for purchasing this firearm?
Do you like cats and/or dogs and why?
Are you having a good day?
Am I being detained?
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2014, 12:46:31 PM
yeah, what if you need to shoot someone that very minute
like you are pissed at your ex-wife and you are meeting her to drop off the kids in like 45 minutes?
maybe! who am I to meddle in the personal affairs of some american citizen looking to hunt or protect his car or dispactch justice on his ex wife?
Post by: wetwillie on February 19, 2014, 12:47:31 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 19, 2014, 01:54:59 PM
So they weren't guilty, it was just some phantom? Like I said, don't shoot them but just call the cops and deal with it?
Like everyone else who doesn't want to go spend 20 years in jail.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 02:49:02 PM
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Post by: waks on February 19, 2014, 02:55:17 PM
So they weren't guilty, it was just some phantom? Like I said, don't shoot them but just call the cops and deal with it?Um, yes.
EDIT: It was rough ridin' mayo. Mayo. Seriously. If it's such a big deal, run out with a hose or something.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 02:57:55 PM
So they weren't guilty, it was just some phantom? Like I said, don't shoot them but just call the cops and deal with it?
I really don't think you would pass an essay test for gun ownership.
Post by: The Big Train on February 19, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
So they weren't guilty, it was just some phantom? Like I said, don't shoot them but just call the cops and deal with it?Um, yes.
EDIT: It was rough ridin' mayo. Mayo. Seriously. If it's such a big deal, run out with a hose or something.
Hose 'em down with an Uzi, right?
Post by: puniraptor on February 19, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
In fact, I never even considered that someone might want to shoot me for that.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 03:12:48 PM
Post by: sys on February 19, 2014, 03:13:43 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 19, 2014, 03:15:02 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
a cow would have no idea if you shot it with a bb gun. maybe if you got it right in the eye I guess. or like flick its tail over there or something.
Post by: slucat on February 19, 2014, 03:15:51 PM
My friends and I went through a teen phase where were all mumped up each others cars in the middle of the night. Thankfully none of us got JUDGED even though there were some pretty crazy dads out there.
In fact, I never even considered that someone might want to shoot me for that.
Yikes, me too now that you mention it. I could have easily been shot at for throwing eggs onto cars from a railroad trestle back in the day. Never crossed my mind as I launched those eggs.
Post by: Tobias on February 19, 2014, 03:16:26 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
a cow would have no idea if you shot it with a bb gun. maybe if you got it right in the eye I guess. or like flick its tail over there or something.
you've got a better chance of taking it down with rick daris' kung fu
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on February 19, 2014, 03:30:28 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 03:32:33 PM
This dipshit is far worse than George Zimm. I expect the same national outrage over this.
I expect the police to arrest him and for him to be found guilty, so I really don't think the national outrage will be there for this one.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 03:42:56 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
a cow would have no idea if you shot it with a bb gun. maybe if you got it right in the eye I guess. or like flick its tail over there or something.
They would twitch and run away.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on February 19, 2014, 03:57:23 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
a cow would have no idea if you shot it with a bb gun. maybe if you got it right in the eye I guess. or like flick its tail over there or something.
They would twitch andrun awaywalk away slowly.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 19, 2014, 04:14:53 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
welp, you failed the gun application.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 04:25:41 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
welp, you failed the gun application.
Like I would ever admit that on a form. :blah:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 04:27:14 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:
welp, you failed the gun application.
Like I would ever admit that on a form. :blah:
That's why I designed my essay questions to be tough, hard-thinking questions.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Ok I'll answer your questions and then you tell me why I can't buy the gun.
1. 2 kids is too many. I considered my family's income and ambitions to come up with that number.
2. First, consider how safe my family is in our current situation. The second action would be informed on the former. If they were safe and I had a reasonable expectation that they would remain safe then I would consider my ability to help others. If they weren't safe I would take action to make them safe.
3. I like Formula One, something about the precision engineering and driving speaks to my soul.
Post by: p1k3 on February 19, 2014, 04:47:55 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
F1 is pretty sweet
!!!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CX1vQZYtlHk/UENrx54E0RI/AAAAAAAB0-M/9c6TCVqEGS4/w506-h283/photo.jpg)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 19, 2014, 04:54:07 PM
1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
4. Do you ever get bummed out that Red Dawn didn't actually happen and you and your buddies didn't get to hide in the woods and kill russians 24/7?
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 04:55:51 PM
1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
4. Do you ever get bummed out that Red Dawn didn't actually happen and you and your buddies didn't get to hide in the woods and kill russians 24/7?
I totes have a copy of Red Dawn (Patrick Swayze version) in my Go Bag aka Bug Out Kit.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 04:58:36 PM
1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Ok I'll answer your questions and then you tell me why I can't buy the gun.
1. 2 kids is too many. I considered my family's income and ambitions to come up with that number.
2. First, consider how safe my family is in our current situation. The second action would be informed on the former. If they were safe and I had a reasonable expectation that they would remain safe then I would consider my ability to help others. If they weren't safe I would take action to make them safe.
3. I like Formula One, something about the precision engineering and driving speaks to my soul.
You would get a gun.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 19, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Ok I'll answer your questions and then you tell me why I can't buy the gun.
1. 2 kids is too many. I considered my family's income and ambitions to come up with that number.
2. First, consider how safe my family is in our current situation. The second action would be informed on the former. If they were safe and I had a reasonable expectation that they would remain safe then I would consider my ability to help others. If they weren't safe I would take action to make them safe.
3. I like Formula One, something about the precision engineering and driving speaks to my soul.
You would get a gun.
I meant to say 3 kids is too many. 2 is my ideal number.
Anyway, how can you be sure I'm sincere in my responses? I think sociopaths are able to fake not being a crazy person.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Ok I'll answer your questions and then you tell me why I can't buy the gun.
1. 2 kids is too many. I considered my family's income and ambitions to come up with that number.
2. First, consider how safe my family is in our current situation. The second action would be informed on the former. If they were safe and I had a reasonable expectation that they would remain safe then I would consider my ability to help others. If they weren't safe I would take action to make them safe.
3. I like Formula One, something about the precision engineering and driving speaks to my soul.
You would get a gun.
I meant to say 3 kids is too many. 2 is my ideal number.
Anyway, how can you be sure I'm sincere in my responses? I think sociopaths are able to fake not being a crazy person.
You can't be sure, but the intent is to make sure that people who aren't sociopaths can still exercise their second amendment rights, so there are always going to be some sociopaths who slip through the cracks. Asking people to explain "why" to just about any question probably would disqualify more people than you might think.
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2014, 08:07:50 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 20, 2014, 09:10:13 AM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on February 20, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: ben ji on February 20, 2014, 09:50:36 AM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
What about animals?
Lady has been asking for a .22 for her second birthday and I'm kinda torn about whether she is too young. I mean she'll only be 14 in dog years but she's already full grown.
Post by: steve dave on February 20, 2014, 10:30:06 AM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
What about animals?
Lady has been asking for a .22 for her second birthday and I'm kinda torn about whether she is too young. I mean she'll only be 14 in dog years but she's already full grown.
yes, she can have one
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2014, 10:35:24 AM
Nuts Kicked is the weirdest
Thanks.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 20, 2014, 10:40:42 AM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
What about animals?
Lady has been asking for a .22 for her second birthday and I'm kinda torn about whether she is too young. I mean she'll only be 14 in dog years but she's already full grown.
yes, she can have one
you are going to give a gun to someone whop thinks his dog is asking for a gun?
Post by: ben ji on February 20, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
What about animals?
Lady has been asking for a .22 for her second birthday and I'm kinda torn about whether she is too young. I mean she'll only be 14 in dog years but she's already full grown.
yes, she can have one
you are going to give a gun to someone whop thinks his dog is asking for a gun?
Pfft, As a 7th grader I spent Y2K on a farm in western ks because my dad thought it was the end of the world. You think I don't already have one?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 20, 2014, 10:54:05 AM
Post by: Daddy Claxton on February 20, 2014, 10:54:54 AM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
How should I use my next 300 posts to be sure I will be able to exercise my rights? I'm really not much of a gun guy, but you never know.
Post by: XocolateThundarr on February 20, 2014, 10:57:09 AM
not much fishing in western Kansas
farm ponds, tho.
Post by: ben ji on February 20, 2014, 10:58:35 AM
not much fishing in western Kansas
farm ponds, tho.
Droughts, tho.
Post by: sys on February 20, 2014, 10:59:13 AM
Post by: ben ji on February 20, 2014, 11:01:56 AM
you'd better get her cat a gun too.
The cat weighs like 5lbs, no way it could handle the recoil.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 20, 2014, 11:06:25 AM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
What about animals?
Lady has been asking for a .22 for her second birthday and I'm kinda torn about whether she is too young. I mean she'll only be 14 in dog years but she's already full grown.
yes, she can have one
you are going to give a gun to someone whop thinks his dog is asking for a gun?
Pfft, As a 7th grader I spent Y2K on a farm in western ks because my dad thought it was the end of the world. You think I don't already have one?
:love: :love:
Post by: ben ji on February 20, 2014, 07:46:19 PM
the steve dave test is 100% infallible. BUT, it can only be used on people with >500 posts.
What about animals?
Lady has been asking for a .22 for her second birthday and I'm kinda torn about whether she is too young. I mean she'll only be 14 in dog years but she's already full grown.
yes, she can have one
So coincidence that I come home today and there is a russian WW2 rifle in a case in my garage?
I ask my brother about it and "yeah, dad bought it the other day for $100 and wanted me to test it out"
Whatever, its lady's now.
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Post by: Katpappy on February 20, 2014, 09:32:17 PM
what if you sound really gay in your essay to the feds?Ferking Rasict! :horrorsurprise:
JK... :Take the Bait:
Post by: Katpappy on February 20, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
A well timed and placed charge of rock salt stopped me from ever again shooting cows with my BB gun. :dunno:Did you use Prep. H to sooth the pain in the ass? :horrorsurprise:
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Post by: Katpappy on February 20, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
NK, I'm not going to fill out a ferking essay so I can get a gun to shoot something. It's just to much work; and besides, my daughter is an animal lover and wouldn't let me shoot any creatures. So my options are limited. :frown:1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Ok I'll answer your questions and then you tell me why I can't buy the gun.
1. 2 kids is too many. I considered my family's income and ambitions to come up with that number.
2. First, consider how safe my family is in our current situation. The second action would be informed on the former. If they were safe and I had a reasonable expectation that they would remain safe then I would consider my ability to help others. If they weren't safe I would take action to make them safe.
3. I like Formula One, something about the precision engineering and driving speaks to my soul.
You would get a gun.
I meant to say 3 kids is too many. 2 is my ideal number.
Anyway, how can you be sure I'm sincere in my responses? I think sociopaths are able to fake not being a crazy person.
You can't be sure, but the intent is to make sure that people who aren't sociopaths can still exercise their second amendment rights, so there are always going to be some sociopaths who slip through the cracks. Asking people to explain "why" to just about any question probably would disqualify more people than you might think.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 21, 2014, 08:26:45 AM
NK, I'm not going to fill out a ferking essay so I can get a gun to shoot something. It's just to much work; and besides, my daughter is an animal lover and wouldn't let me shoot any creatures. So my options are limited. :frown:1. How many kids do you think is too many? Why?
2. If King Kong were running rampage in your city, what do you do first? What do you do second?
3. What is your favorite motor sport? Why?
Ok I'll answer your questions and then you tell me why I can't buy the gun.
1. 2 kids is too many. I considered my family's income and ambitions to come up with that number.
2. First, consider how safe my family is in our current situation. The second action would be informed on the former. If they were safe and I had a reasonable expectation that they would remain safe then I would consider my ability to help others. If they weren't safe I would take action to make them safe.
3. I like Formula One, something about the precision engineering and driving speaks to my soul.
You would get a gun.
I meant to say 3 kids is too many. 2 is my ideal number.
Anyway, how can you be sure I'm sincere in my responses? I think sociopaths are able to fake not being a crazy person.
You can't be sure, but the intent is to make sure that people who aren't sociopaths can still exercise their second amendment rights, so there are always going to be some sociopaths who slip through the cracks. Asking people to explain "why" to just about any question probably would disqualify more people than you might think.
I'm sure the shop owner would just write out what you tell him to of you can't write good.
Post by: ben ji on February 21, 2014, 08:36:25 AM
That's a Mosin Nagant. Kicks like a damn mule. Good luck.
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Yeah, I intentionally neglected to mention that to my brother when he left this morning...Also that gun is the cheapest looking thing I have ever seen, apparently they were mass produced before/during WW2 and then just sat in eastern European warehouses for 50 years during the cold war.
I was looking online and you can buy the surplus warsaw pact ammo for dirt cheap as well. It comes in what looks like a big tin spam can, 440 rounds for $100.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 21, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
That's a Mosin Nagant. Kicks like a damn mule. Good luck.
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Yeah, I intentionally neglected to mention that to my brother when he left this morning...Also that gun is the cheapest looking thing I have ever seen, apparently they were mass produced before/during WW2 and then just sat in eastern European warehouses for 50 years during the cold war.
I was looking online and you can buy the surplus warsaw pact ammo for dirt cheap as well. It comes in what looks like a big tin spam can, 440 rounds for $100.
Yup. Some of them shoot really well. Guys will buy like 5 and test them and keep the one that shot the best and sell or throw the others away.
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2014, 09:15:15 PM
Are they still in the hundred to two hundred $ range?That's a Mosin Nagant. Kicks like a damn mule. Good luck.
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Yeah, I intentionally neglected to mention that to my brother when he left this morning...Also that gun is the cheapest looking thing I have ever seen, apparently they were mass produced before/during WW2 and then just sat in eastern European warehouses for 50 years during the cold war.
I was looking online and you can buy the surplus warsaw pact ammo for dirt cheap as well. It comes in what looks like a big tin spam can, 440 rounds for $100.
Yup. Some of them shoot really well. Guys will buy like 5 and test them and keep the one that shot the best and sell or throw the others away.
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Post by: ben ji on February 22, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
Post by: Katpappy on February 22, 2014, 09:36:46 PM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 24, 2014, 10:09:09 AM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
Well what are they useful for? You can hammer in a nail with a rock. The rock is heavy, capable, and free. But after a while you say eff it I'm getting a hammer.
Post by: ben ji on February 24, 2014, 10:13:55 AM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 24, 2014, 03:51:11 PM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.
Libs are America's best gun salesmen.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 24, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.Libsunfounded fear are America's best gun salesmen.
Post by: Emo EMAW on February 24, 2014, 04:27:13 PM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.Libsunfounded fear are America's best gun salesmen.
Lol no. Guys just play this up in front of their wives so they won't chew them out for buying another Mosin Nagant even though they already have 10.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on February 24, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.Libsunfounded fear are America's best gun salesmen.
No, I was right. There is a well documented foundation. Most Libs would like nothing more than to eliminate guns completely.
Post by: waks on February 24, 2014, 06:59:46 PM
:facepalm:Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.Libsunfounded fear are America's best gun salesmen.
No, I was right. There is a well documented foundation. Most Libs would like nothing more than to eliminate guns completely.
Post by: Institutional Control on February 24, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
Don't take the bait, waks. :Take the Bait::facepalm:Yeah, my dad bought it at cabelas for $100.Does he like it. Most of the guys at work who bought one seems very happy with it at first, but then somehow they end up in the closet.
My dad is one of those people who buys guns because Obama might outlaw them. He never shoots them and they eventually end up in my basement.Libsunfounded fear are America's best gun salesmen.
No, I was right. There is a well documented foundation. Most Libs would like nothing more than to eliminate guns completely.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 24, 2014, 10:10:51 PM
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Post by: Katpappy on March 01, 2014, 01:16:49 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
Post by: Institutional Control on March 01, 2014, 05:06:40 PM
You have obviously never seen Red Dawn.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on March 01, 2014, 05:21:39 PM
You have obviously never seen Red Dawn.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
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Or Afghanistan.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2014, 05:33:12 PM
You have obviously never seen Red Dawn.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
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Or Afghanistan.
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Our military has killed an absolute eff ton of afghans.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 01, 2014, 05:34:21 PM
You have obviously never seen Red Dawn.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
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Or Afghanistan.
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Our military has killed an absolute eff ton of afghans.
Still losing though.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 01, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
You have obviously never seen Red Dawn.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
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Or Afghanistan.
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Our military has killed an absolute eff ton of afghans.
Still losing though.
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Yup, the Taliban gov is back in control.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 01, 2014, 06:10:20 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
Which guns are going to defend you from drones, apache helicopters, and cruise missiles?
Post by: Katpappy on March 03, 2014, 10:34:45 PM
Not the ones legally available to the gun toting masses.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/20/general-boykin-gun-jesus_n_4826089.htmlThis guy like many, many others are stupid fucks that think guns developed over 100 years ago are going to be an adequate means of defense from our government. It's just a joke to appease the gun toting masses. The military will kill us at leisure.
Which guns are going to defend you from drones, apache helicopters, and cruise missiles?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2014, 04:45:52 PM
This looks like yet another story of a property owner successfully defending himself, and I'm sure a jury will agree.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 14, 2014, 05:10:06 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/houston-dad-fatally-shoots-teen-inside-daughters-room-report-says/
This looks like yet another story of a property owner successfully defending himself, and I'm sure a jury will agree.
That's what that kid gets for making the dad feel weak and impotent.
Post by: sys on March 14, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
Post by: kim carnes on March 14, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
without taking anything away from the guilt of the father for killing a kid - that girl killed that kid too. i mean the dude is standing there with a loaded gun pointed at the kid and she says she doesn't know him?
she should be the one going to prison
Post by: michigancat on March 14, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
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He reportedly found his daughter in bed with the teen.
The confrontation occurred around 2:20 a.m. The father had a gun and asked the teen to identify himself, police said, according to the report. His daughter reportedly told her father that she did not know the teen and that the two were not in bed.
:confused:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 14, 2014, 08:43:33 PM
without taking anything away from the guilt of the father for killing a kid - that girl killed that kid too. i mean the dude is standing there with a loaded gun pointed at the kid and she says she doesn't know him?
Yeah, this entire family seems pretty irresponsible.
Post by: sys on March 14, 2014, 09:18:25 PM
Yeah, this entire family seems pretty irresponsible.
you may be right. mods, new thread.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 14, 2014, 09:19:33 PM
without taking anything away from the guilt of the father for killing a kid - that girl killed that kid too. i mean the dude is standing there with a loaded gun pointed at the kid and she says she doesn't know him?
Yeah, this entire family seems pretty irresponsible.
people tend to say the thing that will anger the person with the gun pointed at them the least.
Post by: sys on March 14, 2014, 09:21:49 PM
people tend to say the thing that will anger the person with the gun pointed at them the least.
what about saying the thing that will most direct the anger at the person the gun is pointed at?
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
Post by: slobber on March 17, 2014, 10:37:00 AM
Daughter: (Good God, my dad is psycho) Okay Daddy, whatever you say.
Post by: 8manpick on March 17, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
Assuming the "facts" being reported are true, the father was in his right to defend himself and his family.
Surely you don't actually believe this
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
Post by: 8manpick on March 17, 2014, 10:49:39 AM
Father finds strange person in his daughter's room, she says she doesn't know him, and he reaches for something? I'd pull the trigger until it went click.
That seems like a great argument in favor of banning guns
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 10:52:54 AM
Anyway, the situation isn't much different than this one...
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/14/deputy-shoots-70-year-old-man-after-mistaking-cane-for-gun/20850338/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl9|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D454100?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058&
And clearly this officer didn't do anything wrong.
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2014, 10:58:33 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 11:05:40 AM
I am making any future daughters read articles on this article and probably any of their future boyfriends
For sure. I was subtlety threatened with death when I was dating this one girl in HS. You know what I never did? Sneak into her bed at night.
Post by: Brock Landers on March 17, 2014, 11:06:53 AM
Post by: Tobias on March 17, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
I was subtlety threatened with death
should've capped whoever did that, you never know
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 11:14:11 AM
I was subtlety threatened with death
should've capped whoever did that, you never know
I was scared of this dude. He made me hold a kitten in front of his new bird dog's face so he could shock the crap out of the dog to teach it not to eat the kitten. Pretty scary blossoming-through-puberty-emo.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 17, 2014, 11:22:19 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 17, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 17, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
I was subtlety threatened with death
should've capped whoever did that, you never know
yes, that's like worse than reaching for something.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 17, 2014, 01:24:14 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 17, 2014, 01:40:54 PM
That 17 year old will never make that guy feel powerless again.
He might not be able to get his daughter's virginity back, but if he has any younger daughters, he probably saved theirs for a while.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 01:51:47 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 17, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
Surprised no one has mentioned that if the kid or the daughter had a gun they could have prevented this...slackers.
What kind of a monster would shoot his girlfriend's father, though?
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 17, 2014, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 17, 2014, 02:41:57 PM
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Deputy-constables-Dad-shoots-teen-boy-found-in-daughters-bedroom-250041711.html
Post by: felix rex on March 17, 2014, 02:45:12 PM
There's a lot of WTF in this story.
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Post by: puniraptor on March 17, 2014, 02:53:08 PM
"The father was taken by ambulance from the home for treatment of an unrelated medical situation."
There's a lot of WTF in this story.
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my guess is priapism in response to finally living out his fantasy of shooting someone
edit: thats my 4+ hour erection joke, I dont want anyone to google it at work and get fired when their boss sees them googlin erections.
Post by: felix rex on March 17, 2014, 03:12:15 PM
2) that wouldn't be "unrelated"
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Post by: puniraptor on March 17, 2014, 03:13:27 PM
1) Priapism isn't that esoteric
2) that wouldn't be "unrelated"
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shoddy reporting
Post by: ChiComCat on March 17, 2014, 03:57:17 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 17, 2014, 03:59:52 PM
If someone gives you any reason to be afraid you have a right to kill them
Yes. Real or perceived.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 21, 2014, 12:25:36 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 24, 2014, 09:50:05 AM
Sounds to me like if the daughter hadn't been a whore then none of this would have happened.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 24, 2014, 09:58:43 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on March 25, 2014, 02:20:50 AM
if you don't have a gun in the shower, you aren't serious about home protection
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 25, 2014, 10:24:02 AM
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/daniel-zimmerman/home-carry/
if you don't have a gun in the shower, you aren't serious about home protection
That guy should have bought a Glock and just suction cupped a holster to the wall. Anyway, that seems annoying as eff. Most people that serious about it just have a gun hidden in every room of the house.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 25, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/daniel-zimmerman/home-carry/
if you don't have a gun in the shower, you aren't serious about home protection
That guy should have bought a Glock and just suction cupped a holster to the wall. Anyway, that seems annoying as eff. Most people that serious about it just have a gun hidden in every room of the house.
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6. I don’t want to make my guests nervous when they visit my home.
My view: Everyone who comes to my home is of a like mind and most likely carrying themselves. Therefore, it’s not an issue for me personally. On the other hand, if you are worried about panicking your guests, carry concealed and you won’t have to mention it to anyone
This guy must have great dinner parties...
Post by: Tobias on March 25, 2014, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 25, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
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Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2014, 03:29:49 PM
Look for some news out of OP today. Guy shot/killed dude breaking into his house in the middle of the night. No charges will be filed.
how disappointed are you that it wasn't your house this guy broke into so that you'd be able to shoot him?
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2014, 03:30:13 PM
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Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 01, 2014, 04:24:36 PM
Is that a serious question?
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He believes every person that owns a gun is homicidal.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 01, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Is that a serious question?
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He believes every person that owns a gun is homicidal.
Well this wasn't really homicide, though.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on April 01, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
Is that a serious question?
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He believes every person that owns a gun is homicidal.
Well this wasn't really homicide, though.
Yes, but you know the guy enjoyed cappin' that dude!
Post by: star seed 7 on April 01, 2014, 05:40:30 PM
Is that a serious question?
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He believes every person that owns a gun is homicidal.
Well this wasn't really homicide, though.
Yes, but you know the guy enjoyed cappin' that dude!
i bet his friends (lol, yeah right) are already totally tired of him telling the story
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 01, 2014, 09:46:10 PM
Post by: p1k3 on April 01, 2014, 10:43:57 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2014, 02:15:11 PM
Look for some news out of OP today. Guy shot/killed dude breaking into his house in the middle of the night. No charges will be filed.
Guys this ended up being an April Fools joke. :lol:
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Post by: puniraptor on April 02, 2014, 02:15:48 PM
Look for some news out of OP today. Guy shot/killed dude breaking into his house in the middle of the night. No charges will be filed.
Guys this ended up being an April Fools joke. :lol:
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that guy killed that guy as a joke? pretty sick.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 02, 2014, 02:16:07 PM
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Post by: Tobias on April 02, 2014, 02:18:11 PM
Post by: Katpappy on April 02, 2014, 02:50:12 PM
got his ass good :lol:Emo got your asses good; and my reaction, :lol:
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Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2014, 08:57:39 PM
Can someone translate?
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Post by: puniraptor on April 02, 2014, 09:00:47 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 02, 2014, 09:04:29 PM
The joke is that a guy murdered a guy as an April fools prank
The powerless man's fave day of the year
Post by: Institutional Control on April 02, 2014, 09:05:28 PM
i've heard this story, actually.oh. That's hilarious.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 02, 2014, 09:17:15 PM
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Post by: Tobias on April 03, 2014, 08:25:41 AM
i feel kind of sad for him that the dead guy turned out false :frown:
what a dumbass pos he was, tho
Post by: dmartin on April 03, 2014, 08:57:59 AM
now that would have been an april fools prank to remember.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 03, 2014, 09:03:29 AM
I mistook the april fools part to mean the person breaking in was part of an april fools joke, and ended up getting shot.
now that would have been an april fools prank to remember.
I normally like Emo but this is has been the worst job of BBSing in the history of the internets.
Post by: Tobias on April 03, 2014, 09:05:21 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2014, 06:15:32 PM
I mistook the april fools part to mean the person breaking in was part of an april fools joke, and ended up getting shot.
now that would have been an april fools prank to remember.
I normally like Emo but this is has been the worst job of BBSing in the history of the internets.
What was bad about it? What should I have done differently?
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Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2014, 02:57:11 PM
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A family in Winter Haven shot and killed a burglary suspect, according to the Winter Haven Police report.
Officers responded to the burglary call around 6:50 a.m. Monday. When they arrived to 4219 Lake Marianna Drive they found the burglary suspect, identified as 40-year-old Mitchell Large, dead in the residence.
According to WHPD, the suspect was a complete stranger to the family who lived in the house. Police said, the homeowner Luis F. Pena, 54, his wife Bacenbina A. Pena, 53, and their son Luis A. Pena, 27, were all home when they heard a noise early Monday morning. A forth person, Lilliana E. Pena, 20, was also inside of the home, but did not witness the incident.
Luis A. Pena went to check on that and found somebody rattling the french doors leading off a back porch area. He pulled out a gun and fired a shot trying to scare off the intruder but the burglar didn't stop.
The young man went back to the kitchen where his mother and father were, both armed. Police say Large continued to charge at the residents and the three of them all shot at the intruder when they saw him.
At least one of the shots hit Large, of Winter Haven, in the torso. An autopsy is currently being conducted.
Detectives haven't confirmed how many times the Penas pulled the triggers, but the intruder was dead when the law enforcement arrived. They continue to investigate.
Denver Kemp, who lives about five houses down from the Pena's home, says he was surprised to hear what happened but if it were him, he would do the same thing if his family was in harm's way.
"I'll be more on my guard from now on," Kemp said.
http://www.wsav.com/story/25180142/homeowner-shoots-burglary-suspect-in-winter-haven
sounds totally resonable
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 29, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/prosecutor-man-who-shot-teens-intended-kill
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 29, 2014, 04:31:48 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 29, 2014, 04:46:57 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 29, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 29, 2014, 04:51:56 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 29, 2014, 05:06:21 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 29, 2014, 05:08:25 PM
This guy gets the gas chamber in TX I bet.
He doesn't even get tried in Texas.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 29, 2014, 06:02:51 PM
This guy gets the gas chamber in TX I bet.no way. Castle Doctrine FTW!
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Post by: Tobias on May 02, 2014, 03:55:25 PM
Minnesota is not the place to live out your fantasies of shooting 2 kids.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/prosecutor-man-who-shot-teens-intended-kill
jfc
http://gawker.com/horrifying-audio-of-man-killing-unarmed-teens-released-1570904656 (http://gawker.com/horrifying-audio-of-man-killing-unarmed-teens-released-1570904656)
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on May 02, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Minnesota is not the place to live out your fantasies of shooting 2 kids.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/prosecutor-man-who-shot-teens-intended-kill
jfc
http://gawker.com/horrifying-audio-of-man-killing-unarmed-teens-released-1570904656 (http://gawker.com/horrifying-audio-of-man-killing-unarmed-teens-released-1570904656)
I hope that piece of crap dies a horrible and painful death. eff that guy.
Post by: OK_Cat on May 02, 2014, 04:05:48 PM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 02, 2014, 04:56:14 PM
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Post by: Spracne on May 02, 2014, 05:46:47 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 03, 2014, 10:35:55 AM
Post by: Tobias on May 03, 2014, 11:49:19 AM
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I am not a bleeding heart liberal.
:love:
Post by: Katpappy on May 03, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 04, 2014, 04:33:35 PM
Not guilty. but will spend life in a mental institution. :th_twocents:
He's already been found guilty.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2014, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2014, 10:00:05 AM
Shoot him in the face already.
:nono:
Post by: Katpappy on May 05, 2014, 10:41:53 AM
What was the sentence?Not guilty. but will spend life in a mental institution. :th_twocents:
He's already been found guilty.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
What was the sentence?Not guilty. but will spend life in a mental institution. :th_twocents:
He's already been found guilty.
Life without parole.
Post by: Katpappy on May 05, 2014, 11:10:23 AM
He'll be dead before he ever gets out. :Woohoo:What was the sentence?Not guilty. but will spend life in a mental institution. :th_twocents:
He's already been found guilty.
Life without parole.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2014, 02:14:05 PM
Post by: puniraptor on May 05, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/04/6378165/police-self-defense-is-likely.html
a big issue for me is the line between self-defense and Aiwa VCR defense
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2014, 02:20:55 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/04/6378165/police-self-defense-is-likely.html
a big issue for me is the line between self-defense and Aiwa VCR defense
This person probably saved the state millions in what they would have spent to incarcerate these two utes for the rest of their lives.
Post by: puniraptor on May 05, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
utes
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2014, 02:25:40 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/04/6378165/police-self-defense-is-likely.html
a big issue for me is the line between self-defense and Aiwa VCR defense
This person probably saved the state millions in what they would have spent to incarcerate these two utes for the rest of their lives.
Maybe we should reevaluate the way we treat our prisoners so a couple of kids who break into some houses as teenagers don't turn into hardened criminals that we have to incarcerate for 60+ years.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2014, 02:27:34 PM
utes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNZ1O2KTOOg
Post by: puniraptor on May 05, 2014, 02:29:07 PM
utes
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNZ1O2KTOOg
oh lol
Post by: Spracne on May 05, 2014, 02:29:13 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/2014/05/04/6378165/police-self-defense-is-likely.html
a big issue for me is the line between self-defense and Aiwa VCR defense
This person probably saved the state millions in what they would have spent to incarcerate these two utes for the rest of their lives.
Maybe we should reevaluate the way we treat our prisoners so a couple of kids who break into some houses as teenagers don't turn into hardened criminals that we have to incarcerate for 60+ years.
Reevaluate, sure, whatever. What's that saying about throwing good money after bad?
Post by: Institutional Control on June 03, 2014, 08:03:23 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on June 03, 2014, 08:03:51 AM
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/neighbor-pulls-gun-father-trying-teach-7
Nice one, Luke McKee.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 05, 2014, 04:34:13 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 27, 2014, 08:02:47 AM
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Post by: steve dave on July 09, 2014, 07:41:30 AM
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest
Post by: michigancat on July 09, 2014, 07:52:48 AM
two men, feeling powerful for the first time in their lives enter a convenience store...
http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest
Nothing to see here but a couple of citizens successfully exercising their constitutional rights.
Post by: CNS on July 09, 2014, 07:56:53 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 09, 2014, 12:20:41 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2014, 12:44:13 PM
Post by: CNS on July 09, 2014, 01:43:32 PM
The guy wouldn't have even gone to jail if he just would have killed the other guy with a gun.
I don't know. How minorityish was the other guy?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 10, 2014, 07:21:06 AM
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Post by: ben ji on July 10, 2014, 01:17:47 PM
14 years ago ben ji was riding his bike behind that house to throw dry ice bombs off the roof of Rising Star Elementary
Post by: Brock Landers on July 16, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
How is this guy supposed to intimidate people into not using their phones or talking during the movie if they don't let him bring his gun in?
Post by: CNS on July 16, 2014, 03:42:36 PM
Sat next to a guy on the plane who's employee was the one shot and injured. Said their work van he was driving was impounded.
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What was the biz?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 17, 2014, 09:10:44 AM
Sat next to a guy on the plane who's employee was the one shot and injured. Said their work van he was driving was impounded.
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What was the biz?
I didn't ask (stupid). He looked like a damn police detective so that's why I chatted him up. Anyway the cops still had the house on lockdown this morning when I drove by. How long does it take to conduct two autopsies? :impatient:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 17, 2014, 12:43:03 PM
Sat next to a guy on the plane who's employee was the one shot and injured. Said their work van he was driving was impounded.
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What was the biz?
Refrig
Post by: CNS on July 17, 2014, 01:46:20 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 17, 2014, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 17, 2014, 02:48:22 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 17, 2014, 02:52:22 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article745507.html
Post by: michigancat on July 17, 2014, 02:56:08 PM
Drove by the house over lunch and there was a lot of activity, KSHB had a crew there getting ready for something.
fascinating stuff, keep us posted
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 17, 2014, 02:59:01 PM
Drove by the house over lunch and there was a lot of activity, KSHB had a crew there getting ready for something.
fascinating stuff, keep us posted
I have in the last two posts.
Post by: The1BigWillie on July 25, 2014, 10:05:09 AM
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"The lady didn't run as fast as the man so I shot her in the back twice—she's dead but he got away. ... She said, 'Don't shoot me! I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' and I shot her anyway."
After being asked if he was sure she was dead, Greer says, "She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead."
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 10:15:11 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2014, 10:15:55 AM
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police are investigating whether or not the shooting was in self-defense
wut
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2014, 02:50:07 PM
http://gawker.com/police-california-man-fatally-shoots-allegedly-pregnan-1610535970 (http://gawker.com/police-california-man-fatally-shoots-allegedly-pregnan-1610535970)Quote"The lady didn't run as fast as the man so I shot her in the back twice—she's dead but he got away. ... She said, 'Don't shoot me! I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' and I shot her anyway."
After being asked if he was sure she was dead, Greer says, "She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead."
the interview is so bizarre. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Raw-Interview--Man-Who-Shot-Intruder/268440632
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I'm a good Christian
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 03:43:43 PM
the interview is so bizarre.
bizarre is a good description.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2014, 03:48:21 PM
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Adams has been arrested on suspicion of residential robbery and murder for being an accomplice to the crime, and is expected be arraigned today, Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said at an afternoon press conference Thursday. His bail is set at about $1 million.
Asked to explain the rationale for the murder charge, McDonnell said: “If you’re involved in the commission of a felony and a party is killed, then you’re party to that.”
http://www.presstelegram.com/general-news/20140724/long-beach-man-shoots-fleeing-burglary-suspect-who-said-she-was-pregnant
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 03:53:07 PM
honestly, if he'd (greer) have shot the male instead of the female in the exact same circumstances, i think he'd skate. the gender issue is going to complicate things (i mean more so than just deciding to tell a dude with a camera and microphone that you just shot a person in the back).
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2014, 03:56:06 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2014, 04:09:19 PM
that's pretty standard, and probably appropriate.
honestly, if he'd (greer) have shot the male instead of the female in the exact same circumstances, i think he'd skate. the gender issue is going to complicate things (i mean more so than just deciding to tell a dude with a camera and microphone that you just shot a person in the back).
I had no idea
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 25, 2014, 05:24:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 25, 2014, 05:44:21 PM
I find the fear of guns to be very analogous to the irrational fear of brown people.
:D
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2014, 06:45:52 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 07:39:22 PM
If Adams goes away for murder that is really stupid, regardless of whether it is standard or not
are you one of the libtards that has argued that people should held responsible if their gun is used in a crime, involved in an accident, etc?
i know posters in this thread have, but i don't want to make assumptions. also don't want to go back and look.
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2014, 07:42:29 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
No. Adams is the other robber, right? He is a bad guy, and I get that, but he isn't a murderer. He wasn't part of planning a murder, and he didn't murder anyone, so he shouldn't be charged with murder.
that's too bad, would have been a nice gotcha moment if you were one of them. oh well.
Post by: 8manpick on July 25, 2014, 07:59:51 PM
Ha, that's fairNo. Adams is the other robber, right? He is a bad guy, and I get that, but he isn't a murderer. He wasn't part of planning a murder, and he didn't murder anyone, so he shouldn't be charged with murder.
that's too bad, would have been a nice gotcha moment if you were one of them. oh well.
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 08:09:18 PM
I was one those people and I don't see how my thinking with one has to do with thinking Adams shouldn't be held responsible for the murder of the girl.If Adams goes away for murder that is really stupid, regardless of whether it is standard or not
are you one of the libtards that has argued that people should held responsible if their gun is used in a crime, involved in an accident, etc?
i know posters in this thread have, but i don't want to make assumptions. also don't want to go back and look.
I would agree that if the girl had shot the old man, Adams should he held accountable for murder though.
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 08:19:20 PM
I was one those people and I don't see how my thinking with one has to do with thinking Adams shouldn't be held responsible for the murder of the girl.
responsibility for consequences of one's decisions. regardless of intent or probability of the result.
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
I was one those people and I don't see how my thinking with one has to do with thinking Adams shouldn't be held responsible for the murder of the girl.
responsibility for consequences of one's decisions. regardless of intent or probability of the result.
With no separation between the group you are with and the group you are not with? I can agree with consequences for the group you associated with but cannot see being punished for a mishap that befalls a comrade. :dunno:
Should friends of a girl/guy who gets raped at a party they are all at also be charged as rapists for merely attending the party where rape is possible?
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
With no separation between the group you are with and the group you are not with? I can agree with consequences for the group you are not associated with but cannot see being punished for a mishap that befalls a comrade. :dunno:
that distinction was not made with the responsibility of gun owners for their guns.
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
I think giving a gun to someone falls into the who you associate category thus making you culpable. Just like I said if the girl had shot the old man, Adams should be tried for the murder.With no separation between the group you are with and the group you are not with? I can agree with consequences for the group you are not associated with but cannot see being punished for a mishap that befalls a comrade. :dunno:
that distinction was not made with the responsibility of gun owners for their guns.
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 09:05:15 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 09:26:08 PM
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 09:27:33 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
Ok. Agree to disagree. :cheers:
no, explain the logic behind your opinions.
Post by: michigancat on July 25, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 09:50:02 PM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
sure, that's fair. i mean there's a lot of grey, so i'm not drawing a line in the sand, but i tend to lean to the side of a person is only responsible for the concrete, foreseeable and probable consequences of one's voluntary actions myself.
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 09:52:02 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 10:00:10 PM
think that one through. are you saying that the gunowner shouldn't be responsible if it's his/her own kid that gets killed? what about third parties in the case of felons? a robber initiates a felony and in the course of events a bystander is struck and killed by a police officer's bullet. is the robber responsible or not?
Post by: SdK on July 25, 2014, 10:07:24 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 25, 2014, 10:33:05 PM
Post by: sys on July 25, 2014, 10:42:10 PM
Criminally responsible, yes, but I don't see how his actions satisfy the mens rea component of murder.
not a lawyer, but i think a lot of states have laws that state something like a death that results during the commission of a felony is murder. maybe some it's just armed felonies or violent felonies or something like that.
Post by: steve dave on July 25, 2014, 10:48:59 PM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
I as well
Post by: eastcat on July 26, 2014, 12:22:40 AM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
I as well
If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?
Post by: michigancat on July 26, 2014, 01:14:52 AM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
I as well
If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?
No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 10:00:30 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
Criminally responsible, yes, but I don't see how his actions satisfy the mens rea component of murder.
not a lawyer, but i think a lot of states have laws that state something like a death that results during the commission of a felony is murder. maybe some it's just armed felonies or violent felonies or something like that.
Felony Murder requires only the intention to commit a felony. If someone dies in the commission of certain felonies you are guilty of felony murder. It's obviously meant to deter violent crime.
Charging someone with murder because their personal property is stolen and used to kill someone is a new low for stupidity for the pit. It's Plaintiff's attorney applied in the criminal context.
Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 10:03:04 AM
Edit: @emo
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 10:09:55 AM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
I as well
If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?
No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.
What if you don't immediately report the car stolen, murder? What if the car is used to kill someone before you know it's stolen?
What about people who sell drugs (street or prescription) to other people who OD and die, murder? What if the person the seller sells his drugs to later kills someone while impaired, does the seller get charged with murder too?
What are the limits to this new form of murder? Is there a limit to the degrees of separation?
Post by: SdK on July 26, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 10:13:24 AM
Let it be decided by a jury of their peers.So, charge them with everything and let the jury sort it out? Interesting idea
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 10:14:41 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 26, 2014, 10:15:04 AM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
I as well
If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?
No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.
What if you don't immediately report the car stolen, murder? What if the car is used to kill someone before you know it's stolen?
What about people who sell drugs (street or prescription) to other people who OD and die, murder? What if the person the seller sells his drugs to later kills someone while impaired, does the seller get charged with murder too?
What are the limits to this new form of murder? Is there a limit to the degrees of separation?
I don't think any of those people should be charged with murder
Post by: SdK on July 26, 2014, 10:16:39 AM
Sure. Is this feasible? No. But I don't think you can make laws that adequately cover all bases.Let it be decided by a jury of their peers.So, charge them with everything and let the jury sort it out? Interesting idea
Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 10:20:15 AM
I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.
I as well
If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?
No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.
What if you don't immediately report the car stolen, murder? What if the car is used to kill someone before you know it's stolen?
What about people who sell drugs (street or prescription) to other people who OD and die, murder? What if the person the seller sells his drugs to later kills someone while impaired, does the seller get charged with murder too?
What are the limits to this new form of murder? Is there a limit to the degrees of separation?
I don't think any of those people should be charged with murder
Irrational fear of guns
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
What in the world?
Edit: @emo
What's wrong with that? Come at me.
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Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
Greer shot a woman who was running away from him twice in the back. He was not defending himself. He was not in danger. Sounds pretty murdery to me. Adams was robbing Greer, not killing the woman. This seems fairly straightforward to me. :dunno: It would be a travesty if Greer gets anything less than manslaughter.What in the world?
Edit: @emo
What's wrong with that? Come at me.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 10:45:15 AM
Greer shot a woman who was running away from him twice in the back. He was not defending himself. He was not in danger. Sounds pretty murdery to me. Adams was robbing Greer, not killing the woman. This seems fairly straightforward to me. :dunno: It would be a travesty if Greer gets anything less than manslaughter.What in the world?
Edit: @emo
What's wrong with that? Come at me.
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Do you not understand the law? Its been explained. Shall I?
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Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 10:47:36 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 10:51:00 AM
Assuming that is the law, that only explains why Adams would get murder, not why Greer wouldn't. If Adams does get charged here it is either an unjust law or an inappropriate application of it.
I said Greer would get charged.
Also, Adams must be charged and it is a perfect application of the law. Ideal IMO.
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Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 10:53:59 AM
Why should Greer get a lighter sentence?
Because its 2nd degree or maybe even 3rd. Adams is 1st degree.
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Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 11:00:05 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 11:11:59 AM
If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
Why? He planned to do something inherently dangerous and illegal. Someone died as a result. Why is he not responsible for his bad decisions?
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Post by: SdK on July 26, 2014, 11:14:32 AM
By interesting I meant foolishOk.
Post by: SdK on July 26, 2014, 11:16:07 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 11:17:36 AM
Because he shot her as she was running away twice in the back? That's more aquisition of ground rather than standing imo.
I already said he should be charged. Jfc read.
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Post by: SdK on July 26, 2014, 11:20:02 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 11:22:48 AM
This isn't the case of an innocent bystander accidentally getting killed in the crossfire. This is a bloodthirsty old man deciding to kill someone who was no longer threatening him and was running away. I think killers should be charged with crimes for killing people and non-killers shouldn't.If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
Why? He planned to do something inherently dangerous and illegal. Someone died as a result. Why is he not responsible for his bad decisions?
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Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 11:23:32 AM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
This isn't the case of an innocent bystander accidentally getting killed in the crossfire. This is a bloodthirsty old man deciding to kill someone who was no longer threatening him and was running away. I think killers should be charged with crimes for killing people and non-killers shouldn't.If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
Why? He planned to do something inherently dangerous and illegal. Someone died as a result. Why is he not responsible for his bad decisions?
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Would have been in that situaish without the burglar tho.
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Post by: 8manpick on July 26, 2014, 11:32:03 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 11:37:13 AM
So if you are getting robbed, and you want to make sure your attackers get life in prison instead of just a few years, make sure to murder one of the robbers as they are running away
Yes. But you'll probably be doing time too.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 11:40:02 AM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 12:12:33 PM
If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
1st degree and felony murder are not the same guys.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 01:08:39 PM
If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
1st degree and felony murder are not the same guys.
Depends on the state? Guy here in KS was charged with first under the same application.
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Post by: sys on July 26, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
This is a bloodthirsty old man deciding to kill someone who was no longer threatening him and was running away.
i assume that if greer ever hires a lawyer competent enough to keep him away from random reporters in his driveway, that lawyer will try to argue something like that because greer believed this couple had broken into his house multiple times, and this time threw him to the ground and broke his shoulder, that he believed the only way he could be safe was to ensure that they would not return.
the fact that he's a feeble old man who comes across as something like a cross between elwood and getoffmylawn clint eastwood will probably play well with most juries. the fact that he killed the woman instead of the man will not.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 04:09:43 PM
If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
1st degree and felony murder are not the same guys.
Depends on the state? Guy here in KS was charged with first under the same application.
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No. It may be sentenced as such, but, by definition, is not premeditated
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 26, 2014, 04:31:38 PM
If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust
1st degree and felony murder are not the same guys.
Depends on the state? Guy here in KS was charged with first under the same application.
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No. It may be sentenced as such, but, by definition, is not premeditated
Maybe KS is different?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article745507.html
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 26, 2014, 08:59:54 PM
That article is atrocious.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 27, 2014, 12:42:22 AM
Post by: eastcat on July 27, 2014, 01:34:27 AM
I think this guy should be charged with manslaughter just like people who fail to adequately lock up their guns and have them used in crimes should be charged.
I understand liberal thoughts are often rooted in emotion, but what is the glom of logic behind this?
Are you saying non-gun owners behave like a bunch of children so we must protect them from our own belongings?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 27, 2014, 01:40:37 AM
I think this guy should be charged with manslaughter just like people who fail to adequately lock up their guns and have them used in crimes should be charged.
I understand liberal thoughts are often rooted in emotion, but what is the glom of logic behind this?
Are you saying non-gun owners behave like a bunch of children so we must protect them from our own belongings?
In most cases, they are your children.
Post by: eastcat on July 27, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
I think this guy should be charged with manslaughter just like people who fail to adequately lock up their guns and have them used in crimes should be charged.
I understand liberal thoughts are often rooted in emotion, but what is the glom of logic behind this?
Are you saying non-gun owners behave like a bunch of children so we must protect them from our own belongings?
In most cases, they are your children.
I don't have any kids, I should be facing pretty good odds then right?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 27, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
I think this guy should be charged with manslaughter just like people who fail to adequately lock up their guns and have them used in crimes should be charged.
I understand liberal thoughts are often rooted in emotion, but what is the glom of logic behind this?
Are you saying non-gun owners behave like a bunch of children so we must protect them from our own belongings?
In most cases, they are your children.
I don't have any kids, I should be facing pretty good odds then right?
Yes, unless you just have really shitty friends. Seriously, though, lock your guns up.
Post by: eastcat on July 27, 2014, 01:49:31 AM
I think this guy should be charged with manslaughter just like people who fail to adequately lock up their guns and have them used in crimes should be charged.
I understand liberal thoughts are often rooted in emotion, but what is the glom of logic behind this?
Are you saying non-gun owners behave like a bunch of children so we must protect them from our own belongings?
In most cases, they are your children.
I don't have any kids, I should be facing pretty good odds then right?
Yes, unless you just have really shitty friends. Seriously, though, lock your guns up.
Or what dad?
I leave them unlocked so they can serve their purpose. Protecting my castle. Don't like it? DGAF.
Post by: DQ12 on July 27, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 27, 2014, 10:40:59 AM
I mean...they robbed the guy in his home 3 times.
Are we sure it was them?
Fsd is right about felony murder vs 1st
Post by: sys on July 27, 2014, 11:16:36 AM
I mean...they robbed the guy in his home 3 times.
Are we sure it was them?
in terms of greer's upcoming legal issues, if he believed it was them, and can convince a jury of that, does it matter if it actually was or not?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 27, 2014, 11:31:54 AM
I mean...they robbed the guy in his home 3 times.
Are we sure it was them?
in terms of greer's upcoming legal issues, if he believed it was them, and can convince a jury of that, does it matter if it actually was or not?
Everything matters to some degree but it won't make a difference in this case. That's an insanely slippery slope
Post by: michigancat on July 27, 2014, 11:37:01 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 27, 2014, 11:40:03 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 27, 2014, 11:42:59 AM
He will do time.
An effective life sentence most likely, given his age
Post by: SdK on July 27, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: sys on July 27, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
He will do time.
might die first.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 27, 2014, 12:07:43 PM
He will do time.
might die first.
Yup
Post by: star seed 7 on July 27, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
:lol:
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 28, 2014, 07:52:52 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2014, 08:03:54 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2014, 11:19:15 AM
http://www.flyertalk.com/story/doctor-arrested-for-pointing-assault-rifle-at-woman-in-phoenix-airport.html
She will never make him feel like an impotent nerd while he gets his frap again.
Post by: Tobias on July 31, 2014, 11:23:01 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2014, 11:24:21 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 31, 2014, 11:26:08 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 31, 2014, 11:26:42 AM
i like the part where he said he went to the airport just to get coffee
Best coffee is always at an out of terminal airport Starbucks
Post by: michigancat on July 31, 2014, 11:26:56 AM
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“It certainly was concerning to other passengers at the airport, not knowing why this individual was walking around with an assault rifle slung over his arm,” Martos told local CBS affiliate KPHO. He also noted that this wasn’t the first time Steinmetz brought an assault rifle to PHX, citing an incident that occurred last November, only a few days after a gunman killed a TSA agent at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX).
Post by: sys on July 31, 2014, 10:25:30 PM
Post by: sys on July 31, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
http://www.kpho.com/story/26134030/pd-man-at-sky-harbor-pointed-rifle-at-mom-teen
Post by: mocat on August 01, 2014, 09:13:45 AM
Post by: bshea85 on August 01, 2014, 12:20:16 PM
i assume this is the same guy as on the daily show. and the video that stewart showed was the relevant video. if so, he didn't point his gun at anyone (purposely). just had it slung over his shoulder and took it off to sit down. then got arrested.
Geez. Still, the man should've practiced "muzzle awareness". Even in Iraq, I was strapped with a rifle (so was everybody else, obviously), but we always had to keep it muzzle down even when we sat down in the chow-hall. Hopefully the man learned his lesson, but probably not.
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2014, 12:30:29 PM
i assume this is the same guy as on the daily show. and the video that stewart showed was the relevant video. if so, he didn't point his gun at anyone (purposely). just had it slung over his shoulder and took it off to sit down. then got arrested.
Geez. Still, the man should've practiced "muzzle awareness". Even in Iraq, I was strapped with a rifle (so was everybody else, obviously), but we always had to keep it muzzle down even when we sat down in the chow-hall. Hopefully the man learned his lesson, but probably not.
never read anything about muzzle awareness in a little piece of paper known as the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 04, 2014, 11:14:17 AM
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Post by: SdK on August 04, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-08-03/lenexa-murder-suspect-says-he-was-kidnappedIf he was trying to leave and then wouldn't let him leave, is that technically kidnapping?
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Bullshit either way. But I'm just curious.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 04, 2014, 01:35:23 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-08-03/lenexa-murder-suspect-says-he-was-kidnappedIf he was trying to leave and then wouldn't let him leave, is that technically kidnapping?
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Bullshit either way. But I'm just curious.
I think if someone is robbing your house you can legally take custody of them and call the cops (citizen's arrest).
Statute 22-2403: Arrest by private person. A person who is not a law enforcement officer may arrest another person when: (1) A felony has been or is being committed and the person making the arrest has probable cause to believe that the arrested person is guilty thereof; or
(2) any crime, other than a traffic infraction or a cigarette or tobacco infraction, has been or is being committed by the arrested person in the view of the person making the arrest.
Statute 21-3216: Private person's use of force in making arrest. (1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to make such arrest, except that he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another. (2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 04, 2014, 01:37:54 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-08-03/lenexa-murder-suspect-says-he-was-kidnappedIf he was trying to leave and then wouldn't let him leave, is that technically kidnapping?
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Bullshit either way. But I'm just curious.
I think if someone is robbing your house you can legally take custody of them and call the cops (citizen's arrest).
Statute 22-2403: Arrest by private person. A person who is not a law enforcement officer may arrest another person when: (1) A felony has been or is being committed and the person making the arrest has probable cause to believe that the arrested person is guilty thereof; or
(2) any crime, other than a traffic infraction or a cigarette or tobacco infraction, has been or is being committed by the arrested person in the view of the person making the arrest.
Statute 21-3216: Private person's use of force in making arrest. (1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to make such arrest, except that he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another. (2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful.
It's going to be an interesting case, considering the kidnapper is dead. This seems like a clear case of stand your ground self defense to me.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 04, 2014, 01:39:28 PM
http://cjonline.com/news/2014-08-03/lenexa-murder-suspect-says-he-was-kidnappedIf he was trying to leave and then wouldn't let him leave, is that technically kidnapping?
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Bullshit either way. But I'm just curious.
I think if someone is robbing your house you can legally take custody of them and call the cops (citizen's arrest).
Statute 22-2403: Arrest by private person. A person who is not a law enforcement officer may arrest another person when: (1) A felony has been or is being committed and the person making the arrest has probable cause to believe that the arrested person is guilty thereof; or
(2) any crime, other than a traffic infraction or a cigarette or tobacco infraction, has been or is being committed by the arrested person in the view of the person making the arrest.
Statute 21-3216: Private person's use of force in making arrest. (1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to make such arrest, except that he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another. (2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful.
It's going to be an interesting case, considering the kidnapper is dead. This seems like a clear case of stand your ground self defense to me.
Crappy troll. :facepalm:
Post by: SdK on August 04, 2014, 01:39:58 PM
Yeah. I think the guy is full of crap. I was curious if this was going to turn into a Zimmerman type loophole case. I'm hoping it doesn'thttp://cjonline.com/news/2014-08-03/lenexa-murder-suspect-says-he-was-kidnappedIf he was trying to leave and then wouldn't let him leave, is that technically kidnapping?
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Bullshit either way. But I'm just curious.
I think if someone is robbing your house you can legally take custody of them and call the cops (citizen's arrest).
Statute 22-2403: Arrest by private person. A person who is not a law enforcement officer may arrest another person when: (1) A felony has been or is being committed and the person making the arrest has probable cause to believe that the arrested person is guilty thereof; or
(2) any crime, other than a traffic infraction or a cigarette or tobacco infraction, has been or is being committed by the arrested person in the view of the person making the arrest.
Statute 21-3216: Private person's use of force in making arrest. (1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to make such arrest, except that he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another. (2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful.
Post by: schreds21 on August 05, 2014, 12:20:32 PM
Hide your knives boys! They will be coming for them! :runaway:
Post by: michigancat on August 05, 2014, 12:22:11 PM
Yeah. I think the guy is full of crap. I was curious if this was going to turn into a Zimmerman type loophole case. I'm hoping it doesn'thttp://cjonline.com/news/2014-08-03/lenexa-murder-suspect-says-he-was-kidnappedIf he was trying to leave and then wouldn't let him leave, is that technically kidnapping?
So now the guy is saying he was abducted, which doesn't seem to pan out according to surveillance videos. (Man, cameras are absolutely everywhere these days.)
I figure he's in house rifling through crap, residents get home and there's a confrontation. Weird that the guy with the knife got the drop on a guy with a gun.
Bullshit either way. But I'm just curious.
I think if someone is robbing your house you can legally take custody of them and call the cops (citizen's arrest).
Statute 22-2403: Arrest by private person. A person who is not a law enforcement officer may arrest another person when: (1) A felony has been or is being committed and the person making the arrest has probable cause to believe that the arrested person is guilty thereof; or
(2) any crime, other than a traffic infraction or a cigarette or tobacco infraction, has been or is being committed by the arrested person in the view of the person making the arrest.
Statute 21-3216: Private person's use of force in making arrest. (1) A private person who makes, or assists another private person in making a lawful arrest is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if he were summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to make such arrest, except that he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm only when he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another. (2) A private person who is summoned or directed by a law enforcement officer to assist in making an arrest which is unlawful, is justified in the use of any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful.
luckily he didn't kill a black teenager so he should get the book thrown at him.
*He may have killed a black teenager, I didn't bother reading the details of the case.
Post by: Institutional Control on August 05, 2014, 01:52:33 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 05, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/javiermoreno/man-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-trying-to-take-a-selfie?bffb
Fast and Furious gun, allegedly.
Post by: SdK on August 05, 2014, 02:19:45 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/javiermoreno/man-shoots-himself-in-the-head-after-trying-to-take-a-selfie?bffbProactive border control
Post by: SdK on August 05, 2014, 02:22:11 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 07, 2014, 02:52:33 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 07, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/orch-shooting-jury-reaches-verdict/story?id=24877849
Dude will always have the memory of shooting an unarmed girl, and jail cannot take that away.
Post by: SdK on August 07, 2014, 04:13:34 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 08, 2014, 09:03:39 AM
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/08/police-shoot-man-holding-fake-gunnear-fa
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Astonishingly, Crawford was not the only person to die in the Walmart that day. A 37-year-old woman, Angela Williams, suffered some kind of medical episode as she was exiting the store during the shooting. She apparently had a pre-existing medical condition, and died after being transported to the hospital.
huh
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 11:18:40 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/08/police-shoot-man-holding-fake-gunnear-fa
of course they shot him, he was a black guy
http://bearingarms.com/dayton-walmart-shooting-innocent-man-swatted-death/
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 11:35:47 AM
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 11:56:37 AM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 11:57:38 AM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 11:58:42 AM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Yeah, but the cops probably wouldn't shoot them
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 12:02:36 PM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Yeah, but the cops probably wouldn't shoot them
I think they probably would.
Post by: SdK on August 08, 2014, 12:05:54 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 01:02:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 01:07:24 PM
Cops are the only people to be trusted with guns. :rolleyes:
the guy they killed shoulda had a real gun to defend himself properly, then those punk cops would have thought twice about shooting someone in a wal-mart.
Post by: CNS on August 08, 2014, 01:13:34 PM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Yeah, but the cops probably wouldn't shoot them
I think they probably would.
Open carry, tho
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 01:16:28 PM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Yeah, but the cops probably wouldn't shoot them
I think they probably would.
Open carry, tho
As soon as the gun leaves its holster, those guys are open season for police lead. Also, if I ever see guys walking around Target or Walmart with assault rifles over their shoulders, I am calling the police and getting out of there, open carry or no. You just don't know if they are there to purchase Oreos or whether they are there to go down in a blaze of glory.
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2014, 01:18:05 PM
Post by: #LIFE on August 08, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Yeah, but the cops probably wouldn't shoot them
:facepalm: Jesus. You think down the road when the whites are the minority in this country they will start screaming racist at every incident in which a white person is killed? You look like a rough ridin' idiot.
Post by: Institutional Control on August 08, 2014, 01:27:33 PM
I'm not sure what black people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
FYP
I would call the cops if I saw white people carrying guns around, too.
Yeah, but the cops probably wouldn't shoot them
:facepalm: Jesus. You think down the road when the whites are the minority in this country they will start screaming racist at every incident in which a white person is killed? You look like a rough ridin' idiot.
LOL
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 01:43:27 PM
Post by: TheHamburglar on August 08, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
I'm not sure what people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
How else are you supposed to get the air soft/BB gun to the register to purchase it?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
I'm not sure what people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
How else are you supposed to get the air soft/BB gun to the register to purchase it?
You could put it in a shopping cart, for starters. You sure as hell don't wave it around and wonder why people get scared when it gets pointed at them.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 01:49:46 PM
I'm not sure what people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
How else are you supposed to get the air soft/BB gun to the register to purchase it?
You could put it in a shopping cart, for starters. You sure as hell don't wave it around and wonder why people get scared when it gets pointed at them.
Did you watch the video from the Fresno airport? People like to say guns were pointed at them even though they weren't actually pointed at them.
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2014, 01:51:17 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 01:57:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 01:58:42 PM
I'm not sure what people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
How else are you supposed to get the air soft/BB gun to the register to purchase it?
You could put it in a shopping cart, for starters. You sure as hell don't wave it around and wonder why people get scared when it gets pointed at them.
Did you watch the video from the Fresno airport? People like to say guns were pointed at them even though they weren't actually pointed at them.
That guy didn't get shot, though.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
I'm not sure what people expect to happen when they carry guns around in public places like that.
How else are you supposed to get the air soft/BB gun to the register to purchase it?
You could put it in a shopping cart, for starters. You sure as hell don't wave it around and wonder why people get scared when it gets pointed at them.
Did you watch the video from the Fresno airport? People like to say guns were pointed at them even though they weren't actually pointed at them.
That guy didn't get shot, though.
Also wasn't black.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 02:09:08 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/06/married-oklahoma-officers-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-daughter-boyfriend/?intcmp=obnetwork
Post by: sys on August 08, 2014, 02:22:33 PM
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 02:30:50 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
Airsoft guns are not toys. Those beebees sting.
Post by: sys on August 08, 2014, 02:34:44 PM
Responsible cop parents protect their teen daughter from a hooligan PEW PEW PEW
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/06/married-oklahoma-officers-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-daughter-boyfriend/?intcmp=obnetwork
Quote
The Keplers are on paid administrative leave, Roberson said.
no one's above the law, not even the police.
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 02:35:38 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
Post by: sys on August 08, 2014, 02:37:47 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 02:39:12 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
I would say that all murderers kill people.
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
Well, almost no Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) people kill people, either.
but yeah, I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
Post by: Spracne on August 08, 2014, 02:44:03 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
I would say that all murderers kill people.
Apparently you can be convicted of murder without actually killing someone, so...
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 02:45:04 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.walmartimages.com%2Fi%2Fp%2F00%2F02%2F84%2F78%2F14%2F0002847814113_500X500.jpg&hash=1d5886ce21a8887b59dbaa0463b1f07301bbb401)
This is the fake gun the guy had.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 02:45:48 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
I would say that all murderers kill people.
Apparently you can be convicted of murder without actually killing someone, so...
Yeah, but I wouldn't call those people murderers.
Post by: Spracne on August 08, 2014, 02:47:22 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
I would say that all murderers kill people.
Apparently you can be convicted of murder without actually killing someone, so...
Yeah, but I wouldn't call those people murderers.
But one could, and in fact does.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 02:48:07 PM
am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
They're also racist
the thing is that almost no racists kill people, but almost all murderers do. that's why i focus on the murdering rather than the probable racism.
i think we've had this discussion before.
I would say that all murderers kill people.
Apparently you can be convicted of murder without actually killing someone, so...
Yeah, but I wouldn't call those people murderers.
But one could, and in fact does.
Just based upon the dictionary definition of murder, those people are wrong.
Post by: sys on August 08, 2014, 03:31:35 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
If the gun looks real, you should be able to realize that casually toting it around Walmart just isn't very smart. It's too bad the guy was shot, but if the police tell you to drop your weapon, holding onto it and yelling that it's not real is going to get you shot.
Post by: sys on August 08, 2014, 03:45:03 PM
If the gun looks real, you should be able to realize that casually toting it around Walmart just isn't very smart. It's too bad the guy was shot, but if the police tell you to drop your weapon, holding onto it and yelling that it's not real is going to get you shot.
there's a big difference between what is smart for an individual to do and what is smart for a society to accept. like walking up and punching chapo guzman in the face prolly isn't very smart.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 08, 2014, 03:46:53 PM
We live in a sad age.
Thanks, Obama!
Post by: schreds21 on August 08, 2014, 03:47:59 PM
Who is Chapo Guzman?If the gun looks real, you should be able to realize that casually toting it around Walmart just isn't very smart. It's too bad the guy was shot, but if the police tell you to drop your weapon, holding onto it and yelling that it's not real is going to get you shot.
there's a big difference between what is smart for an individual to do and what is smart for a society to accept. like walking up and punching chapo guzman in the face prolly isn't very smart.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2014, 03:52:37 PM
If the gun looks real, you should be able to realize that casually toting it around Walmart just isn't very smart. It's too bad the guy was shot, but if the police tell you to drop your weapon, holding onto it and yelling that it's not real is going to get you shot.
there's a big difference between what is smart for an individual to do and what is smart for a society to accept. like walking up and punching chapo guzman in the face prolly isn't very smart.
It's odd to me that this happened in a Walmart and there doesn't seem to be any camera footage of the guy out there. I'd like to see how he was holding the gun and if he was pointing it at the officers before passing judgment.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2014, 04:17:36 PM
Who is Chapo Guzman?If the gun looks real, you should be able to realize that casually toting it around Walmart just isn't very smart. It's too bad the guy was shot, but if the police tell you to drop your weapon, holding onto it and yelling that it's not real is going to get you shot.
there's a big difference between what is smart for an individual to do and what is smart for a society to accept. like walking up and punching chapo guzman in the face prolly isn't very smart.
some dude who I am going to go find and punch in the face
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2014, 04:20:31 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
yeah, I know
Post by: SdK on August 08, 2014, 05:18:59 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 08, 2014, 05:58:52 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclclt.com%2Fimager%2Fchevy-chase-and-john-candy-in-national-lampoons-vacation-photo%2Fb%2Foriginal%2F3100716%2F9440%2F27535PRPHOTO5.JPG&hash=95eca4793e21a38b04a39232f2b87a9c1f298704)am i understanding correctly that a certain contingent of people here are blaming real guns possibly being carried by other people elsewhere for the intentional shooting of an unarmed man carrying a toy gun inside a store that sells toy guns?
those guns, not the homicidal cops and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbfucks who called them?
Airsoft guns are not toys. Those beebees sting.
Post by: #LIFE on August 08, 2014, 07:13:57 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
yeah, I know
# of innocent people shot and killed by black people compared to innocent black people killed by these racist rough ridin' crackers.
I'll hang up and wait for the #'s
Post by: star seed 7 on August 08, 2014, 07:44:35 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
yeah, I know
# of innocent people shot and killed by black people compared to innocent black people killed by these racist rough ridin' crackers.
I'll hang up and wait for the #'s
is someone here saying that black people don't commit crimes?
Post by: sys on August 08, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
# of innocent people shot and killed by black people compared to innocent black people killed by these racist rough ridin' crackers.
I'll hang up and wait for the #'s
here's a great example, michigan. probably won't murder even a single person his entire life.
Post by: #LIFE on August 08, 2014, 08:08:58 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
yeah, I know
# of innocent people shot and killed by black people compared to innocent black people killed by these racist rough ridin' crackers.
I'll hang up and wait for the #'s
is someone here saying that black people don't commit crimes?
The one's that do against white people are all racists according to michigancat logic
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 08, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
I thought the fact they were murderers was self-evident, and perhaps folks didn't realize they were also racist. But you bring up a great point! :thumbs:
the whole reason i was motivated to post was that it didn't seem to me like people were appropriately noticing that the cops had murdered an unarmed man. i thought (some) people were more focused on whether he had a gun or a toy gun in public and where he pointed the toy gun and whether other people have had guns in public and what kinds of dumbasses do that, and really what else do those lunatics deserve than to be gunned down by cops who have guns and definitely should have guns so they can shoot all the lunatics walking around with guns and toy guns and maybe sticks.
yeah, I know
# of innocent people shot and killed by black people compared to innocent black people killed by these racist rough ridin' crackers.
I'll hang up and wait for the #'s
is someone here saying that black people don't commit crimes?
The one's that do against white people are all racists according to michigancat logic
Well the white guy in a Fresno airport who actually had a real loaded AR15 wasn't even engaged by the cops so....
Post by: RickRampus on August 10, 2014, 10:36:30 AM
Neighbor shot himself in the head last night. T's and P's to anyone who knew him.
dynamite drop-in, really adds to the thread
Post by: SdK on August 10, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Neighbor shot himself in the head last night. T's and P's to anyone who knew him.
dynamite drop-in, really adds to the thread
Was hoping someone knew the guy or had information. It's the second military veteran that has tried to kill himself within a mile of me in the past few months. The first guy tried to do it in his garage in his beloved Mustang, wife caught him.
Also this wasn't worth it's own thread.
Post by: RickRampus on August 10, 2014, 01:39:49 PM
Neighbor shot himself in the head last night. T's and P's to anyone who knew him.
dynamite drop-in, really adds to the thread
Was hoping someone knew the guy or had information. It's the second military veteran that has tried to kill himself within a mile of me in the past few months. The first guy tried to do it in his garage in his beloved Mustang, wife caught him.
Also this wasn't worth it's own thread.
sad story, t's&p's
Post by: mocat on August 15, 2014, 02:03:34 PM
:frown:
Post by: SdK on August 15, 2014, 02:18:25 PM
Post by: Spracne on August 15, 2014, 02:24:09 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on August 15, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article1231782.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article1231782.html)
:frown:
I bet she won't sneak out of the house anymore.
Post by: CNS on August 15, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 15, 2014, 04:59:03 PM
Shoot first, ask q's later has always worked in the past. There has to be something they aren't telling us.
Clearly this is a result of his police training.
Post by: michigancat on August 15, 2014, 05:22:14 PM
Shoot first, ask q's later has always worked in the past. There has to be something they aren't telling us.
his daughter will think twice next time she wants to sneak out, so maybe it did work this time. :dunno:
Post by: Institutional Control on August 26, 2014, 09:11:02 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 26, 2014, 11:00:47 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arizona-shooting-range-instructor-killed-girl-uzi-n189611
Seriously? Why? Whose rough ridin' idea was this?
Post by: Institutional Control on August 27, 2014, 05:51:27 AM
Darwin's?http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arizona-shooting-range-instructor-killed-girl-uzi-n189611
Seriously? Why? Whose rough ridin' idea was this?
Post by: steve dave on August 27, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
Post by: mocat on August 27, 2014, 11:59:41 AM
Post by: 8manpick on August 27, 2014, 12:05:22 PM
that girl should be totally fine from now onShe's a killerrrr quee-een
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 27, 2014, 01:16:26 PM
Post by: Fedor on August 27, 2014, 01:25:11 PM
It's as if not everyone has seen True Lies. :facepalm:There was not way for that guy to foresee any issues tho, he was just a shooting range instructor.
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2014, 01:31:07 PM
Quote
Sam Scarmardo, the manager for the Last Stop's shooting range, told NBC News that "the established practice at most shooting ranges is 8 years old and up with parental supervision."
with fully auto uzi's? What a dumb rough ridin' established practice.
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2014, 02:55:05 PM
Good grief.
Post by: EMAWmeister on August 27, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2014, 04:40:28 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 27, 2014, 04:42:58 PM
Post by: CNS on August 27, 2014, 04:44:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on August 27, 2014, 04:46:26 PM
So, I could get an uzi if I paid the right taxes and stuff? This seems pretty stupid. I mean, outside military, what use does an uzi have? Even in a military setting, it seems like there is infinity better guns to have than something that wastes half it's rounds up in the air and off to the side. Why should an uzi even exist?
to introduce the kids to fully auto weaponry, it appears.
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 27, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
So, I could get an uzi if I paid the right taxes and stuff? This seems pretty stupid. I mean, outside military, what use does an uzi have? Even in a military setting, it seems like there is infinity better guns to have than something that wastes half it's rounds up in the air and off to the side. Why should an uzi even exist?
Yes you could have one. Probably go through some sort of background check or something. Also you waive your 4th Amendment right to have one.
There are lots of things that probably shouldn't exist, but they do. Sort of a stupid argument, IMO.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 27, 2014, 07:55:39 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 28, 2014, 11:56:39 AM
Post by: SdK on August 28, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
Post by: steve dave on August 28, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
Post by: Benja on August 29, 2014, 01:15:59 AM
So, I could get an uzi if I paid the right taxes and stuff? This seems pretty stupid. I mean, outside military, what use does an uzi have? Even in a military setting, it seems like there is infinity better guns to have than something that wastes half it's rounds up in the air and off to the side. Why should an uzi even exist?
to kill people super good and fast
Post by: Benja on August 29, 2014, 01:17:48 AM
The responsible guy from GPC making his granddaughter kill that animal from a few months ago could teach this guy a thing or two if he wasn't dead
Yeah that guy probably read this story and thought about how his kids will have been shootin' for three years by the time they are nine and will hold on to that uzi like a boss
Post by: Benja on August 29, 2014, 01:18:49 AM
Post by: Benja on August 29, 2014, 01:26:27 AM
Post by: CNS on August 29, 2014, 06:12:50 PM
So, I could get an uzi if I paid the right taxes and stuff? This seems pretty stupid. I mean, outside military, what use does an uzi have? Even in a military setting, it seems like there is infinity better guns to have than something that wastes half it's rounds up in the air and off to the side. Why should an uzi even exist?
to kill people super good and fast
I think there is an argument that a gun that loses it's crap up and to the left of where you are shooting, almost immediately, is not super good at doing anything but wasting a bunch of bullets. :dunno:
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 29, 2014, 06:18:51 PM
So, I could get an uzi if I paid the right taxes and stuff? This seems pretty stupid. I mean, outside military, what use does an uzi have? Even in a military setting, it seems like there is infinity better guns to have than something that wastes half it's rounds up in the air and off to the side. Why should an uzi even exist?
to kill people super good and fast
I think there is an argument that a gun that loses it's crap up and to the left of where you are shooting, almost immediately, is not super good at doing anything but wasting a bunch of bullets. :dunno:
If you have a machine gun you're cool with wasting bullets.
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Post by: Benja on August 29, 2014, 06:44:36 PM
So, I could get an uzi if I paid the right taxes and stuff? This seems pretty stupid. I mean, outside military, what use does an uzi have? Even in a military setting, it seems like there is infinity better guns to have than something that wastes half it's rounds up in the air and off to the side. Why should an uzi even exist?
to kill people super good and fast
I think there is an argument that a gun that loses it's crap up and to the left of where you are shooting, almost immediately, is not super good at doing anything but wasting a bunch of bullets. :dunno:
I like to hold my uzi sideways when I shoot it but everyone's different
Post by: Institutional Control on September 02, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/7-year-old-boy-injured-while-target-shooting-california-n193481
"Nothing done wrong". Well, except for a kid getting a bullet in his chest.
That video w/ the sheriff rolling his eyes about the boy maybe crying was pretty awesome.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 02, 2014, 02:32:38 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 02, 2014, 02:51:51 PM
How do you shoot yourself in the chest with a bolt action .22 rifle? Sounds hard.
There was also someone shooting with a heavier rifle
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 11, 2014, 05:38:14 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2014, 12:11:43 AM
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Man openly carrying new gun in Gresham robbed by armed man
Posted: Oct 07, 2014 6:31 PM CDT
Updated: Oct 07, 2014 6:35 PM CDT
By FOX 12 StaffCONNECT
GRESHAM, OR (KPTV) -
A man openly carrying his new handgun was robbed on a Gresham street by a man with a gun of his own.
Police were called out to the area of 172nd and Glisan Street at 2:10 a.m. Saturday.
Investigators said the 21-year-old victim bought a handgun earlier in the day and was openly carrying it while talking to his cousin.
They said a man approached them and asked for a cigarette. Talk eventually turned to the victim's new purchase, before the robber pulled his own gun from his waistband and said, "I like your gun, give it to me," according to police.
The victim handed over his gun and the suspect ran away.
The suspect is described as a light-skinned black man, 19 to 23 years old, 6'1" with a skinny build. He had black, wavy hair and was clean cut, except for a small patch of facial hair on his chin. The man was wearing gray sweatpants, a white T-shirt and flip-flops.
The weapon he used in the robbery was described as a black gun, possibly semi-automatic. The stolen gun is a black Walther brand, model P22. It is semi-automatic and .22LR-caliber.
Anybody who may have information on this case is asked to call the Gresham Police tip line at 503-618-2719.
omg :lol:
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on October 09, 2014, 12:22:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 09, 2014, 12:29:35 AM
He was wearing flip flops and they couldn't catch him.
well he had 2 guns now
Post by: steve dave on October 17, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
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"I want the Davis family to know I truly regret what happened. I'm sorry for their loss," Dunn said. "If I could roll back time and do things differently, I would."
Dunn continued, "I was in fear for my life and I did what I thought I had to do. Still, I am mortified I took a life, whether it was justified or not."
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 17, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 17, 2014, 04:25:44 PM
http://www.news4jax.com/news/michael-dunns-sentencing-hearing-scheduled-for-friday-morning/29185992Quote"I want the Davis family to know I truly regret what happened. I'm sorry for their loss," Dunn said. "If I could roll back time and do things differently, I would."
Dunn continued, "I was in fear for my life and I did what I thought I had to do. Still, I am mortified I took a life, whether it was justified or not."
Kind of like saying "If my murdering offended you in any way, I'm sorry"
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 17, 2014, 04:33:43 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2014, 11:20:21 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/28/jose-canseco-shot-finger-gun-cleaning-accident/
Post by: RickRampus on October 29, 2014, 08:11:53 AM
Nope I guess I'm going to herp derp and just guess it's unloaded and shoot myself. I wish he wouldn't of hit his finger and hit something more vital.
Post by: steve dave on October 29, 2014, 08:52:41 AM
for the life of me, I cannot figure out how people shoot themselves while cleaning their guns. Like, you really didn't think it was loaded? Seriously, it takes a milisecond to figure out.
Nope I guess I'm going to herp derp and just guess it's unloaded and shoot myself. I wish he wouldn't of hit his finger and hit something more vital.
there are a lot of really stupid people in this country. and there are essentially zero barriers to entry into gun ownership.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 29, 2014, 08:55:57 AM
Post by: Mr Bread on October 29, 2014, 09:24:10 AM
Only smart people deserve rights to things that kill other people like guns and cars. Possibly sharp knives.
:thumbs:
Post by: puniraptor on October 29, 2014, 03:12:44 PM
Post by: Spracne on October 29, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Post by: CNS on October 29, 2014, 03:45:35 PM
I cut my finger pretty badly cleaning a knife one time.
Should have unloaded it first.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 05, 2014, 11:13:33 AM
:frown:
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 05, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 05, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 05, 2014, 11:20:18 AM
Post by: CNS on November 05, 2014, 11:23:42 AM
Never understand why people are so paranoid they need a loaded gun in their dresser.
My mom lives by herself in a rural area. She recently bought a handgun and hired a retired cop to train her on it's use and what not. The cop does that as a side biz.
One of the things he told her was that if you keep the gun and ammo separate, studies show that you might as well not have either when it comes to protecting yourself from home invasion.
Not saying I think any of this is a great idea, but he is a pro, so, there is that.
Post by: michigancat on November 05, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
Tough to say, people are all different and make different decisions for different reasons.
However it's really really easy to come up with reasons not to have a loaded gun unlocked and unattended in the bedroom of a house where toddlers live.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 05, 2014, 11:28:55 AM
Never understand why people are so paranoid they need a loaded gun in their dresser.
My mom lives by herself in a rural area. She recently bought a handgun and hired a retired cop to train her on it's use and what not. The cop does that as a side biz.
One of the things he told her was that if you keep the gun and ammo separate, studies show that you might as well not have either when it comes to protecting yourself from home invasion.
Not saying I think any of this is a great idea, but he is a pro, so, there is that.
home invasions common in this rural area?
Post by: CNS on November 05, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
Never understand why people are so paranoid they need a loaded gun in their dresser.
My mom lives by herself in a rural area. She recently bought a handgun and hired a retired cop to train her on it's use and what not. The cop does that as a side biz.
One of the things he told her was that if you keep the gun and ammo separate, studies show that you might as well not have either when it comes to protecting yourself from home invasion.
Not saying I think any of this is a great idea, but he is a pro, so, there is that.
home invasions common in this rural area?
Not the violent type, no. She has a mentally ill neighbor though that has a little bit of a history of violence though. The guy just got divorced, and has seemed super unstable the last few months. Like, no longer on his meds, type unstable.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 05, 2014, 11:32:57 AM
Post by: CNS on November 05, 2014, 11:35:11 AM
I guess I can understand that, but I can't understand having a loaded handgun in a room where kids play.
Well, yeah.
Post by: Tobias on November 05, 2014, 11:45:53 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 05, 2014, 11:53:22 AM
Post by: Tobias on November 05, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
Post by: puniraptor on November 05, 2014, 12:11:44 PM
Post by: CNS on November 05, 2014, 02:25:42 PM
what happens more frequently: home invasions or children doing what they were told not to with things that were hidden from them?
Yeah, no doubt. Responsibility is the filter that should prevent the jump from protection to dead kids. Unfortunately, there are a lot of ppl without a very basic level of responsibility.
Post by: michigancat on November 05, 2014, 02:29:32 PM
the friend is going to lose some organs but the doctor's expect a full recovery within a year.
:confused:
Also, CNS, has your mom considered locking her doors at night? :dunno:
Post by: CNS on November 05, 2014, 02:37:56 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 10, 2014, 11:20:05 PM
what happens more frequently: home invasions or children doing what they were told not to with things that were hidden from them?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/qKHeXC7L85s?rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/qKHeXC7L85s?rel=0)
Post by: michigancat on November 14, 2014, 06:33:25 PM
:frown:
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/28/jose-canseco-shot-finger-gun-cleaning-accident/
UPDATE
Quote
Jose Canseco @JoseCanseco · 44m 44 minutes ago
Ok well I might as well tell you .I was playing in a poker tournament last night and my finger fell off .someone took a video of it.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 14, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
:frown:
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/28/jose-canseco-shot-finger-gun-cleaning-accident/
UPDATEQuoteJose Canseco @JoseCanseco · 44m 44 minutes ago
Ok well I might as well tell you .I was playing in a poker tournament last night and my finger fell off .someone took a video of it.
:lol:
Post by: renocat on November 15, 2014, 12:20:03 AM
Post by: puniraptor on November 15, 2014, 12:29:26 AM
Post by: dmartin on November 17, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
:frown:
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/28/jose-canseco-shot-finger-gun-cleaning-accident/
UPDATEQuoteJose Canseco @JoseCanseco · 44m 44 minutes ago
Ok well I might as well tell you .I was playing in a poker tournament last night and my finger fell off .someone took a video of it.
:lol:
I'll bet he gave that guy the finger.
Post by: steve dave on November 18, 2014, 08:00:35 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 18, 2014, 09:14:35 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 18, 2014, 10:02:51 AM
Jose Canseco blew off his middle finger cleaning a gun. The gun and finger are now for sale on ebay.
responsible gun owner AND shrewd entrepreneur
Post by: puniraptor on November 29, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on December 15, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 30, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
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"She was not the least bit irresponsible,"
also
Quote
There do not appear to be reliable national statistics about the number of accidental fatalities involving children handling guns.
^did not realize this
Post by: star seed 7 on December 30, 2014, 11:42:05 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2014, 07:43:46 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-2-accidentally-kills-mom-wal-mart-201635957.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fbQuote"She was not the least bit irresponsible,"
alsoQuoteThere do not appear to be reliable national statistics about the number of accidental fatalities involving children handling guns.
^did not realize this
holy crap :frown:
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 31, 2014, 08:50:55 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 31, 2014, 09:04:39 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-2-accidentally-kills-mom-wal-mart-201635957.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fbQuote"She was not the least bit irresponsible,"
Leaving a loaded handgun in a purse unattended in your shopping cart next to your toddler is probably at least a little bit irresponsible.
Post by: EMAWmeister on December 31, 2014, 09:10:03 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-2-accidentally-kills-mom-wal-mart-201635957.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fbQuote"She was not the least bit irresponsible,"
Leaving a loaded handgun in a purse unattended in your shopping cart next to your toddler is probably at least a little bit irresponsible.
It's her right to have a loaded handgun within an arms reach of a toddler. Quit trying to take her guns, libtard.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
Post by: EMAWican on December 31, 2014, 12:33:10 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 31, 2014, 12:50:31 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/police-boy-2-accidentally-kills-mom-wal-mart-201635957.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fbQuote"She was not the least bit irresponsible,"
Leaving a loaded handgun in a purse unattended in your shopping cart next to your toddler is probably at least a little bit irresponsible.
It's her right to have a loaded handgun within an arms reach of a toddler. Quit trying to take her guns, libtard.
Nah, I don't want to take her guns away. But we should probably add this hypothetical to the next multiple choice test to receive a CCP.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2015, 01:40:25 PM
:lol:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 07, 2015, 02:18:49 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/darryl-jouett-shoots-himself-in-the-stomach_n_6420688.html
:lol:
The police will record that as an officer shot by a black guy.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2015, 07:55:29 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/darryl-jouett-shoots-himself-in-the-stomach_n_6420688.html
:lol:
The police will record that as an officer shot by a black guy.
Where's Al?
Post by: Tobias on January 07, 2015, 08:26:12 PM
will let you guys know if I see al
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2015, 09:48:07 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on January 08, 2015, 09:49:07 AM
http://salinapost.com/2015/01/07/officer-involved-shooting-near-assaria/ (http://salinapost.com/2015/01/07/officer-involved-shooting-near-assaria/)
will let you guys know if I see al
Brock is a white guy name.
Post by: michigancat on January 08, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
http://salinapost.com/2015/01/07/officer-involved-shooting-near-assaria/ (http://salinapost.com/2015/01/07/officer-involved-shooting-near-assaria/)
will let you guys know if I see al
Brock is a white guy name.
I don't see Al, this is proof he's a racist.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on January 09, 2015, 08:38:53 AM
http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2010/02/22/if-you-dont-shoot-your-attacker-in-kansas-then-waive-bye-bye-to-claiming-self-defense/
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 09, 2015, 11:09:09 AM
So I guess if you point a gun at someone, you should go ahead and shoot them.
http://lawblog.legalmatch.com/2010/02/22/if-you-dont-shoot-your-attacker-in-kansas-then-waive-bye-bye-to-claiming-self-defense/
Something is missing in that article.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 11, 2015, 02:03:35 PM
Everyone should own guns!
Post by: steve dave on January 18, 2015, 01:25:09 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on January 18, 2015, 02:25:42 PM
http://salinapost.com/2015/01/07/officer-involved-shooting-near-assaria/ (http://salinapost.com/2015/01/07/officer-involved-shooting-near-assaria/)
will let you guys know if I see al
If you lived in Assaria, you'd be dead by now
Post by: michigancat on January 19, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
:frown:
Post by: EMAWmeister on January 20, 2015, 08:53:45 AM
Post by: nicname on January 22, 2015, 04:07:09 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article7922334.html
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2015, 04:14:06 PM
Kansas to consider allowing concealed gun carry without permits
http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article7922334.html
Makes sense to me. If we are going to make concealed carry legal, then I don't see the need for a permit.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2015, 04:17:51 PM
Post by: CNS on January 22, 2015, 04:24:55 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2015, 04:28:36 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432
If the vigilante had just murdered the creamer shopper he could have claimed self-defense, especially since he knew the guy was armed.
Just shows how important is to carry a gun at all times - vigilantism is much more difficult and risky without one.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2015, 04:29:40 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/man-shopping-for-coffee-creamer-at-walmart-attacked-by-vigilante-for/2214432
If the vigilante had just murdered the creamer shopper he could have claimed self-defense, especially since he knew the guy was armed.
Just shows how important is to carry a gun at all times - vigilantism is much more difficult and risky without one.
Yes, if the vigilante had just shot the guy getting creamer right in the face then he wouldn't have gone to jail and wouldn't have to explain this to potential employers.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 22, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 19, 2015, 10:03:15 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on August 19, 2015, 11:55:11 AM
Post by: michigancat on August 19, 2015, 11:57:26 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 19, 2015, 12:55:55 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 19, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
In all seriousness how are these businesses getting away with "Muslim free zones"? I realize it's Florida and Oklahoma but goddam.
Self identifying as complete idiots. The sheriff was openly mocking how clueless they were.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 19, 2015, 04:16:23 PM
In all seriousness how are these businesses getting away with "Muslim free zones"? I realize it's Florida and Oklahoma but goddam.
What do you mean "getting away with"? Being a foolish business owner isn't against the law.
Post by: michigancat on August 19, 2015, 04:19:15 PM
In all seriousness how are these businesses getting away with "Muslim free zones"? I realize it's Florida and Oklahoma but goddam.
What do you mean "getting away with"? Being a foolish business owner isn't against the law.
I'm guessing it's illegal for a business to deny service on the basis of religion in these states.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on September 03, 2015, 08:17:25 PM
http://m.kfvs12.com/kfvs12/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:k3zmlZUZ
Post by: KCFDcat on September 03, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
Welp, I guess it is time to arm all 11 year olds.Oh man, just sat through a convo at work about this.
http://m.kfvs12.com/kfvs12/pm_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=od:k3zmlZUZ
"just shows how effective gun ownership is, even if it's a child"
That's a real quote, and it terrifies me.
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Post by: puniraptor on September 03, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 03, 2015, 09:24:14 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on September 03, 2015, 09:47:58 PM
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Post by: Tobias on October 14, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
Post by: michigancat on October 28, 2015, 08:30:29 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/27/a-dog-shoots-a-person-almost-every-year-in-america/
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2015, 09:08:09 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2015, 09:11:31 AM
Post by: sys on October 28, 2015, 09:36:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 28, 2015, 09:36:15 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 28, 2015, 09:53:03 AM
Post by: mocat on October 28, 2015, 10:46:15 AM
Post by: steve dave on October 28, 2015, 11:30:27 AM
dogs are so great.
haha
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 12, 2015, 02:04:24 PM
Post by: puniraptor on November 12, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/11/13-year-old-shoots-fatally-wounds-suspected-intruder/
i hope you didnt wear sweatpants to work today!
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 12, 2015, 04:07:12 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/11/13-year-old-shoots-fatally-wounds-suspected-intruder/
i hope you didnt wear sweatpants to work today!
That's what the elastic waistband is for!
Post by: steve dave on December 24, 2015, 09:46:24 AM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 24, 2015, 10:31:31 AM
Post by: mocat on December 24, 2015, 10:42:49 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 24, 2015, 11:21:30 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 13, 2016, 12:52:44 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on January 13, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
If only the son was packing he may have been able to protect himself or even get a return shot off.
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 25, 2016, 07:15:48 PM
But as long as our 24/7 news cycles continues to turn these criminals into infamous celebrities, IMO that's going to help fuel these incidents.
Post by: steve dave on February 25, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
gah
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 25, 2016, 08:40:33 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 25, 2016, 09:29:02 PM
But as long as our 24/7 news cycles continues to turn these criminals into infamous celebrities, IMO that's going to help fuel these incidents.
So will guns
Post by: Tobias on February 25, 2016, 09:30:07 PM
Post by: CNS on February 25, 2016, 10:01:05 PM
No, it's def the media.But as long as our 24/7 news cycles continues to turn these criminals into infamous celebrities, IMO that's going to help fuel these incidents.
So will guns
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 26, 2016, 08:59:27 AM
And about the response I expected.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
Post by: mhkpasa on February 26, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2016, 11:31:59 AM
Wacky, come on broIt's not funny, I should remove that emoticon, but they would turn that post into about two paragraphs about gun control, bernie, etc.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2016, 12:29:46 PM
Wacky, come on broIt's not funny, I should remove that emoticon, but they would turn that post into about two paragraphs about gun control, bernie, etc.
That wasn't my objection
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2016, 12:33:52 PM
Post by: chuckjames on February 26, 2016, 12:39:15 PM
I'm just saying, let the disaster marinate a little bit, before using FB as your political agenda. Maybe come back tomorrow and make your case.
we had 2 mass shootings in 5 days. at that rate when are we allowed to talk about gun control?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 26, 2016, 01:19:03 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on March 29, 2016, 05:35:55 PM
http://www.wfaa.com/mb/news/nation/company-invents-gun-that-looks-like-cellphone/108407982
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 29, 2016, 05:44:40 PM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 03, 2016, 11:52:43 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 03, 2016, 11:56:30 AM
Responsible homeowner was away but guess what, his 11 year old stepson was there! Might want to take him to the shooting range since he needed 12 shots to finally hit the intruder.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/)
Yeah, he should have shot the guy when he was still in the house. Firing 12 shots outside in a residential neighborhood and missing 11 times is not good.
Post by: steve dave on May 03, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 03, 2016, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 03, 2016, 12:22:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 03, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
WELP
Post by: mocat on May 03, 2016, 12:26:18 PM
Post by: Tobias on May 03, 2016, 12:27:50 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 03, 2016, 12:30:09 PM
Post by: sys on May 03, 2016, 12:54:40 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 03, 2016, 12:56:20 PM
Post by: sys on May 03, 2016, 12:59:04 PM
Well then vote for Bernie sys
he's against god too, is he?
Post by: steve dave on May 03, 2016, 01:00:06 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 03, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.
I loved that, personally.
Post by: catastrophe on May 03, 2016, 01:16:26 PM
Post by: sys on May 03, 2016, 01:21:14 PM
I loved that, personally.
it's a little precocious, no?
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 03, 2016, 01:28:53 PM
I loved that, personally.
it's a little precocious, no?
Isn't shooting somebody?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 03, 2016, 01:37:46 PM
Post by: CNS on May 03, 2016, 01:44:23 PM
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Post by: michigancat on May 03, 2016, 01:45:05 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 03, 2016, 02:02:15 PM
what was in the hamper?
metal jacket bullet
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 03, 2016, 02:02:50 PM
I loved that, personally.
it's a little precocious, no?
Yeah. I think that is why I like it so much.
Post by: waks on May 05, 2016, 05:26:38 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 09:42:21 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
Why?
Post by: catastrophe on May 05, 2016, 09:49:37 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.
Or calling him a baby after a gunshot since like he could have killed him and doesn't seem to process that.
And I suppose you would have him start shooting people only AFTER developing a moral compass and respect for life? Liberal p*ssy.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2016, 09:50:25 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.
Or calling him a baby after a gunshot since like he could have killed him and doesn't seem to process that.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
Post by: michigancat on May 05, 2016, 10:03:06 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
Why?
Because he can murder someone with a gun but cannot murder someone by telling them to trust God
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 10:20:31 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
Why?
Because he can murder someone with a gun but cannot murder someone by telling them to trust God
Did he murder someone?
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 10:26:03 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 05, 2016, 10:28:29 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 05, 2016, 10:32:32 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
Why?
Because he can murder someone with a gun but cannot murder someone by telling them to trust God
Did he murder someone?
Is this subject a little too complex for you, emo?
I'm comparing the dangers of easy access to firearms with precocious preaching, not questioning if he actually murdered someone. Let me know if you're still confused and I'll try to use simpler terms that you can understand.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 10:34:26 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 10:35:29 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 05, 2016, 10:40:51 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 05, 2016, 10:41:18 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 05, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
Why?
because he might shoot at a fleeing burglar 11 times in a residential neighborhood
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 10:54:01 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 11:52:28 AM
Did they find slugs in anyone's adjacent homes or property?
I think the operative word at that point was fleeing
You should research the law there.
Post by: Tobias on May 05, 2016, 11:53:25 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 05, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
Post by: Brock Landers on May 05, 2016, 12:09:11 PM
The kid shouldn't have fired 11 warning shots. That was a rookie mistake.
Post by: 8manpick on May 05, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
There are a lot of examples of law not agreeing with what is good for humanityDid they find slugs in anyone's adjacent homes or property?
I think the operative word at that point was fleeing
You should research the law there.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 07:45:20 PM
There are a lot of examples of law not agreeing with what is good for humanityDid they find slugs in anyone's adjacent homes or property?
I think the operative word at that point was fleeing
You should research the law there.
Well this is an example where a knowledgable citizen successfully defended their life with a firearm, both rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Clearly an example in support of the law on the books.
Post by: catastrophe on May 05, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
There are a lot of examples of law not agreeing with what is good for humanityDid they find slugs in anyone's adjacent homes or property?
I think the operative word at that point was fleeing
You should research the law there.
Well this is an example where a knowledgable citizen successfully defended their life with a firearm, both rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Clearly an example in support of the law on the books.
I mean, it's really an example of how a kid had his life endangered by his parents having readily accessible guns in the house, and then shot off eleven rounds in a residential area to get a hamper full of stuff back from a drug addict.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 05, 2016, 08:23:40 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 08:27:37 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 05, 2016, 08:32:47 PM
Post by: wetwillie on May 05, 2016, 08:47:20 PM
Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 05, 2016, 09:04:22 PM
Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
Someone should have told his parents. I'm sure they would have preferred him killed by a meth head. Luckily, it appears they educated their son and he is alive to thank them.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 05, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
Thelse things are not mutually exclusive
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2016, 09:36:37 PM
Post by: ednksu on May 05, 2016, 11:58:49 PM
I wouldn't call it play, but I do dress him up in fatigues and drape belts of machine gun ammo over his shoulders take pictures for our family Christmas card. Obviously.(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desiglitters.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F08%2FProud-To-Be-An-American.gif&hash=21435ad747ce49198cd997a7da12a4c083f8f010)
Post by: Spracne on May 06, 2016, 02:40:24 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2016, 06:17:51 AM
This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.
Would not convict.
Post by: steve dave on May 06, 2016, 07:22:28 AM
Post by: waks on May 06, 2016, 07:57:42 AM
omg you actually believe thisOnly an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
Someone should have told his parents. I'm sure they would have preferred him killed by a meth head. Luckily, it appears they educated their son and he is alive to thank them.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 06, 2016, 08:33:37 AM
Post by: ednksu on May 06, 2016, 09:02:03 AM
This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.
Do not take legal advice from this guy.
Post by: michigancat on May 06, 2016, 09:04:57 AM
:Yuck:omg you actually believe thisOnly an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
Someone should have told his parents. I'm sure they would have preferred him killed by a meth head. Luckily, it appears they educated their son and he is alive to thank them.
He really does! It's fascinating.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 06, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 06, 2016, 10:20:34 AM
This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.
1) he was still in commission of a burglary
2) he had a gun and had threatened to kill the kid
3) the kid was in fear of his life
Spray away kid, reload if you have to.
Post by: ednksu on May 06, 2016, 10:38:42 AM
This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.
1) he was still in commission of a burglary
2) he had a gun and had threatened to kill the kid
3) the kid was in fear of his life
Spray away kid, reload if you have to.
Also many states with castle doctrine will allow you to blast trespassers committing felonies. And many allow you to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing suspect.
Post by: catastrophe on May 06, 2016, 10:42:23 AM
Also many states with castle doctrine will allow you to blast trespassers committing felonies. And many allow you to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing suspect.
Link? This sounds very wrong, but some states may be more redneck than I'm anticipating.
I mean, even police can't use deadly force to apprehend fleeing suspects in most cases.
Post by: ednksu on May 06, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
Also many states with castle doctrine will allow you to blast trespassers committing felonies. And many allow you to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing suspect.
Link? This sounds very wrong, but some states may be more redneck than I'm anticipating.
I mean, even police can't use deadly force to apprehend fleeing suspects in most cases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy
and for cops specifically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule
Post by: catastrophe on May 06, 2016, 11:46:55 AM
Post by: ednksu on May 06, 2016, 12:09:33 PM
Post by: sys on May 06, 2016, 12:20:44 PM
Maybe he fired 11 warning shots and one leg shot to disable the threat? Ever thought of that idiots?
maybe he missed 11 times because he was aiming at the leg (moving) and not trying to kill the poor meth addict (that he kinda/sorta knew). 1/12 isn't bad for a lower leg attached to a running human.
Post by: sys on May 06, 2016, 12:21:52 PM
I mean, obviously your hit rate is going to be lower when you are aiming for a small quickly moving target area (leg) than if you had aimed for a larger more stable area (torso).
sorry, mrs. gooch. i didn't get this far before i entered my post.
Post by: sys on May 06, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok. trust god", or not.It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?
no, not really. it also wouldn't raise the eyebrow if the child went around telling meth heads to buck up, old sport without shooting them first. it's the combination that attracts the eye.
Post by: catastrophe on May 06, 2016, 12:30:04 PM
Are you daft? like I'm seriously confused what you don't get about those links.
Well the first wasn't really even a commentary of the law, just an anecdote about a dude who didn't get indicted after he shot some guys who were running at him on his property and he may or may not have hit them in the back.
The second specifically says that SCOTUS said way back in 1985 that you cannot use lethal force against fleeing suspects unless they pose an immediate threat of serious bodily harm.
Post by: sys on May 06, 2016, 12:32:02 PM
Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
what is the comparison we are looking for here? if it is the danger posed by each item, you have to account for the frequency of each. i don't have any data, but i'd guess that the rate of violence resulting from breaking and entering meth heads per minute in house with child is much much higher than the rate resulting from guns in house with child per minute.
even per day, hell even per occurrence, i'd bet meth addict.
Post by: catastrophe on May 06, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 06, 2016, 01:01:37 PM
You know, thinking through it a little more, maybe the moral of the story here is: if you're going to have one easily accessible gun in the house then you should have at least two.
Two guns = two legs?
Post by: catastrophe on May 06, 2016, 01:01:41 PM
Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody.
Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads
what is the comparison we are looking for here? if it is the danger posed by each item, you have to account for the frequency of each. i don't have any data, but i'd guess that the rate of violence resulting from breaking and entering meth heads per minute in house with child is much much higher than the rate resulting from guns in house with child per minute.
even per day, hell even per occurrence, i'd bet meth addict.
This sounds like an argument for reducing the number of guns in households with children. I mean, it's illegal for meth heads to break into homes, which has no doubt curtailed those incidences (and hence deaths). Are you proposing we do the same with guns?
Post by: sys on May 06, 2016, 01:01:58 PM
That may have been his intention, at least he didn't get unlucky and shoot him fatally with those leg misses.
of course not. he's obviously very good.
Post by: sys on May 06, 2016, 01:03:29 PM
This sounds like an argument for reducing the number of guns in households with children. I mean, it's illegal for meth heads to break into homes, which has no doubt curtailed those incidences (and hence deaths). Are you proposing we do the same with guns?
data can be used to argue any number of things. but the data are just the data.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 06, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 06, 2016, 01:14:37 PM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 06, 2016, 01:16:22 PM
I mean, obviously your hit rate is going to be lower when you are aiming for a small quickly moving target area (leg) than if you had aimed for a larger more stable area (torso).
sorry, mrs. gooch. i didn't get this far before i entered my post.
That may have been his intention, at least he didn't get unlucky and shoot him fatally with those leg misses.
If you can point to something to reports where the other 11 shots landed, please do. For all we know they went into the ground right next to his legs.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 06, 2016, 01:31:44 PM
Post by: ednksu on May 06, 2016, 03:23:42 PM
Are you daft? like I'm seriously confused what you don't get about those links.
Well the first wasn't really even a commentary of the law, just an anecdote about a dude who didn't get indicted after he shot some guys who were running at him on his property and he may or may not have hit them in the back.
The second specifically says that SCOTUS said way back in 1985 that you cannot use lethal force against fleeing suspects unless they pose an immediate threat of serious bodily harm.
I'm always amazed at how people can get totally different information. The first link clearly says they were shot in the back, as well at the ME I believe. Point being, it crystallized Texa's laws about defense of property and the use of deadly force.
And yes that law is always back from 1985, but is the touchstone for the modern use of force for police (and citizens) in arresting suspects.
Post by: Fedor on May 06, 2016, 03:25:28 PM
This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.Tell us how it is, first year law student.
Post by: catastrophe on May 06, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
Are you daft? like I'm seriously confused what you don't get about those links.
Well the first wasn't really even a commentary of the law, just an anecdote about a dude who didn't get indicted after he shot some guys who were running at him on his property and he may or may not have hit them in the back.
The second specifically says that SCOTUS said way back in 1985 that you cannot use lethal force against fleeing suspects unless they pose an immediate threat of serious bodily harm.
I'm always amazed at how people can get totally different information. The first link clearly says they were shot in the back, as well at the ME I believe. Point being, it crystallized Texa's laws about defense of property and the use of deadly force.
And yes that law is always back from 1985, but is the touchstone for the modern use of force for police (and citizens) in arresting suspects.
Welcome to the law!
The first link said it was inconclusive, though a witness testified the person was turning away (though just prior to that was running toward the guy with the gun).
And my point is there is no blanket law that says you can use lethal force against a fleeing suspect. Just as in almost any self-defense case (regardless of SYG or Castle), you have to believe your life is in danger. Those doctrines just make it easier to prove the subjective aspect of it. For police it's also acceptable if others' lives are in danger.
Post by: ednksu on May 06, 2016, 08:34:07 PM
Are you daft? like I'm seriously confused what you don't get about those links.
Well the first wasn't really even a commentary of the law, just an anecdote about a dude who didn't get indicted after he shot some guys who were running at him on his property and he may or may not have hit them in the back.
The second specifically says that SCOTUS said way back in 1985 that you cannot use lethal force against fleeing suspects unless they pose an immediate threat of serious bodily harm.
I'm always amazed at how people can get totally different information. The first link clearly says they were shot in the back, as well at the ME I believe. Point being, it crystallized Texa's laws about defense of property and the use of deadly force.
And yes that law is always back from 1985, but is the touchstone for the modern use of force for police (and citizens) in arresting suspects.
Welcome to the law!
The first link said it was inconclusive, though a witness testified the person was turning away (though just prior to that was running toward the guy with the gun).
And my point is there is no blanket law that says you can use lethal force against a fleeing suspect. Just as in almost any self-defense case (regardless of SYG or Castle), you have to believe your life is in danger. Those doctrines just make it easier to prove the subjective aspect of it. For police it's also acceptable if others' lives are in danger.
This point isn't worth belaboring. The shot a suspect in the back while he was fleeing. Under Texas law (and FL has similar laws) he was no billed.
Post by: The Big Train on May 07, 2016, 08:56:27 PM
This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.
Do not take legal advice from this guy.
But his super high law school entrance exam scores tho
Post by: The Big Train on May 07, 2016, 08:57:14 PM
Tell us how it is, first year law student.
Are you a first year law student? Didn't think so
Post by: Spracne on May 07, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
That first one was free, but I do accept donations via venmo @lawhorn69
Post by: star seed 7 on May 16, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 16, 2016, 10:19:49 AM
A guy shot himself and and another woman at some hick town graduation this weekend when he adjusted his sock and just happened to have a gun stuffed in that sock
Yeah that was in Augusta (suburb of Wichita)
Post by: Brock Landers on May 16, 2016, 10:32:02 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 16, 2016, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 16, 2016, 03:51:40 PM
Post by: CNS on May 17, 2016, 12:05:50 PM
An empty chamber is for the unprepared. Could be the diff between protecting your loved one at a high school grad ceremony, and from having a family(fully raped and robbed, at this point) grieving over your dead body.
Post by: mocat on May 17, 2016, 02:23:49 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 17, 2016, 02:26:54 PM
If your sock isn't ready to rock, you might as well hand over your gun to Obama.
An empty chamber is for the unprepared. Could be the diff between protecting your loved one at a high school grad ceremony, and from having a family(fully raped and robbed, at this point) grieving over your dead body.
You know ISIS has been spoiling for a shot at a HS graduation.
Post by: ednksu on May 18, 2016, 01:54:12 AM
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 09:12:04 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 09:14:09 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 18, 2016, 09:14:36 AM
Doesn't seem like much of a penalty.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 18, 2016, 09:18:40 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 09:21:29 AM
Modern hand guns don't have traditional safeties? Do you mean like a grip squeeze thing instead of a switch?
Yes. Combo of the grip thing plus the two tier trigger thing. Maybe mechanically they are superior to the old style but I'm just saying what I would do if it were me. Those things give me the heebie jeebies.
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 09:52:22 AM
Post by: Cire on May 18, 2016, 09:59:50 AM
Only issue is if it goes off. If you are a dumbass toting a gun that goes off and hurts someone you should face consequences.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
A gun compromise should make it illegal to have a bullet in the chamber of a carried fire arm. If one goes off like that, fine time.
"shall not be infringed"
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 10:03:57 AM
If you are a dumbass toting a gun that goes off and hurts someone you should face consequences.
Absolutely. Should apply to non-dumbasses, too.
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
A gun compromise should make it illegal to have a bullet in the chamber of a carried fire arm. If one goes off like that, fine time.
"shall not be infringed"
Your right to own/carry a fire arm would not be infringed at all. I mean, there it is, in your sock. It just doesn't have a bullet in the chamber.
Post by: mocat on May 18, 2016, 10:46:51 AM
It would be delightfully ironic to hear renocat offer a defense of this gun-toting sock guy
Because renocat IS a gun-toting sock omg
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 18, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
A gun compromise should make it illegal to have a bullet in the chamber of a carried fire arm. If one goes off like that, fine time.
"shall not be infringed"
Your right to own/carry a fire arm would not be infringed at all. I mean, there it is, in your sock. It just doesn't have a bullet in the chamber.
That is still a limitation, or infringement.
Post by: ednksu on May 19, 2016, 10:39:08 AM
This has nothing to do with having one in the chamber and everything to do with crap equipment (no holster, I bet) and putting your finger on a trigger when you don't intend to kill something.
For reference with people wondering about safeties, most cops carry glocks. Glocks only have one safety, as part of a dual movement trigger and is striker fired. 1911 as noted have 2, an external safety and a grip safety.
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 19, 2016, 10:51:28 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 19, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 19, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
A guide I used to hunt elk with was a Denver SWAT guy too. He used to say that a pistol should only be used to "fight your way back to your rifle", when it comes to bears.
Not much of a SWAT guy
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on May 19, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 19, 2016, 02:01:07 PM
Unrelated to the thread, but he was a trip. He spent quite a bit of time on with a K9 unit. He carried around a photo album of the injuries the dogs inflicted. Bunch of mushed up nuts and thighs. Twisted stuff. He dug it big time, though.
Your friend is a freak.
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 19, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
A guide I used to hunt elk with was a Denver SWAT guy too. He used to say that a pistol should only be used to "fight your way back to your rifle", when it comes to bears.
Where did you hunt elk?
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 02:40:50 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on May 19, 2016, 03:27:35 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on May 19, 2016, 03:29:16 PM
What's the best class to take for a 17 year old kid who is about to inherit some guns?
Hunter's safety is a good start. I think it's even free. A majority of the focus is firearm's safety. My wife just took it and I know they go over multiple types of firearms, including pistols.
http://ksoutdoors.com/Services/Education/Hunter/Traditional-Course
Post by: CNS on May 19, 2016, 03:35:11 PM
Get anything? Have any stories?
No real stories. Shot a 5x5 the first morning of the first trip. It was a huge animal. Elk are seriously huge animals.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 19, 2016, 03:56:53 PM
What's the best class to take for a 17 year old kid who is about to inherit some guns?
Hunter's safety is a good start. I think it's even free. A majority of the focus is firearm's safety. My wife just took it and I know they go over multiple types of firearms, including pistols.
http://ksoutdoors.com/Services/Education/Hunter/Traditional-Course
I took this with my dad a few years ago and agree that it would be good. It was kind of geared more to 10-12 yr olds than adults, but still good information
Post by: steve dave on June 28, 2016, 07:28:00 AM
Quote
In March, Christy wrote on Facebook: “It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semiautomatic weapons.”
In January, she shared a post with the following message: “I have 10 guns. Obama wants eight of my guns. How many guns do I have? That’s right, I have 10 guns.”
Post by: treysolid on June 28, 2016, 08:00:40 AM
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/texas-mum-who-killed-two-daughters-before-being-shot-by-police-was-a-gun-advocate/news-story/78c9faaf4b1a4e9b1caa4a22679b05a4QuoteIn March, Christy wrote on Facebook: “It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semiautomatic weapons.”
In January, she shared a post with the following message: “I have 10 guns. Obama wants eight of my guns. How many guns do I have? That’s right, I have 10 guns.”
Well, one way to guarantee that Obama ends up with your guns is to shoot your family members with them. #EvidenceLocker #Irony
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 28, 2016, 08:12:24 AM
Post by: RickRampus on June 28, 2016, 09:07:02 AM
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/texas-mum-who-killed-two-daughters-before-being-shot-by-police-was-a-gun-advocate/news-story/78c9faaf4b1a4e9b1caa4a22679b05a4QuoteIn March, Christy wrote on Facebook: “It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away, but that’s exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semiautomatic weapons.”
In January, she shared a post with the following message: “I have 10 guns. Obama wants eight of my guns. How many guns do I have? That’s right, I have 10 guns.”
no, you have nothing, because you were Hellfired from 30 thou feet
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 28, 2016, 09:25:08 AM
Post by: EMAWican on June 28, 2016, 09:32:54 AM
Chalk it up to mental illness
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 28, 2016, 05:08:45 PM
Post by: bucket on June 28, 2016, 05:38:29 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/28/armed-men-stop-walmart-parking-lot-fight-described-as-western-shootout.html?intcmp=hphz22 :Chirp:
Civilian police is not something that I want in this country.
Post by: catastrophe on June 28, 2016, 10:22:17 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 28, 2016, 10:45:47 PM
It would be delightfully ironic to hear renocat offer a defense of this gun-toting sock guy
Because renocat IS a gun-toting sock omg
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 29, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
The idea of law-abiding gun-toting citizens eager to jump in and right all the wrongs in the world scares me way more than just about any type of criminal.
Irrational fear is unfortunately pretty common.
Post by: SdK on June 29, 2016, 08:27:55 AM
For both sides of the debate. Zing!The idea of law-abiding gun-toting citizens eager to jump in and right all the wrongs in the world scares me way more than just about any type of criminal.
Irrational fear is unfortunately pretty common.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 29, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 29, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
For both sides of the debate. Zing!The idea of law-abiding gun-toting citizens eager to jump in and right all the wrongs in the world scares me way more than just about any type of criminal.
Irrational fear is unfortunately pretty common.
Yea. That's exactly what concerns me. Irrationally afraid/paranoid people with guns.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2016, 08:44:20 PM
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Heading into law this Friday is Tennessee’s Senate Bill 1736, which will put into action something gun owners have been encouraging for years.
As of July 1, if a handgun carry permit holder in Tennessee is injured, suffers bodily injury or death, incurs economic loss or expense, property damage or any other compensable loss on a property posted as a gun-free zone, they can sue the person or entity who stripped them of their right to self defense.
SWEET!
In layman’s terms, any permit holder injured as a result of being stripped of their right to self defense, and their handgun, in a posted gun-free zone can file a lawsuit within two years of the event as long as they meet the following requirements:
were authorized to carry a gun at the time of the incident
prohibited from carrying a firearm due to the posting of a gun-free sign
the property owner was not required to be posted by state or federal law and posted by choice
Can you imagine? Holding gun-free zone property accountable for injuries people sustained by being disarmed and left defenseless? Groundbreaking.
Holy crap, gun nuts are losing their minds over this
Post by: catastrophe on June 29, 2016, 09:39:36 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 29, 2016, 09:52:53 PM
That makes no sense. What if the only reason the person was only injured on the property instead of killed was because the perpetrator did not bring a gun into the gun free zone?
You mean like they were beaten with a baseball bat instead of shot because criminals abide the signs too?
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 30, 2016, 08:07:45 AM
QuoteHeading into law this Friday is Tennessee’s Senate Bill 1736, which will put into action something gun owners have been encouraging for years.
As of July 1, if a handgun carry permit holder in Tennessee is injured, suffers bodily injury or death, incurs economic loss or expense, property damage or any other compensable loss on a property posted as a gun-free zone, they can sue the person or entity who stripped them of their right to self defense.
SWEET!
In layman’s terms, any permit holder injured as a result of being stripped of their right to self defense, and their handgun, in a posted gun-free zone can file a lawsuit within two years of the event as long as they meet the following requirements:
were authorized to carry a gun at the time of the incident
prohibited from carrying a firearm due to the posting of a gun-free sign
the property owner was not required to be posted by state or federal law and posted by choice
Can you imagine? Holding gun-free zone property accountable for injuries people sustained by being disarmed and left defenseless? Groundbreaking.
Holy crap, gun nuts are losing their minds over this
Wait, is that real?
Post by: ChiComCat on June 30, 2016, 08:10:01 AM
Or situations like this that have actually happened in real lifeThat makes no sense. What if the only reason the person was only injured on the property instead of killed was because the perpetrator did not bring a gun into the gun free zone?
You mean like they were beaten with a baseball bat instead of shot because criminals abide the signs too?
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/03/marine-killed-trying-intervene-domestic-dispute-texas-walgreens
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on June 30, 2016, 08:13:28 AM
Or situations like this that have actually happened in real lifeThat makes no sense. What if the only reason the person was only injured on the property instead of killed was because the perpetrator did not bring a gun into the gun free zone?
You mean like they were beaten with a baseball bat instead of shot because criminals abide the signs too?
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/03/marine-killed-trying-intervene-domestic-dispute-texas-walgreens
The guy who was killed had a gun, so I don't think a No Guns sign got him killed.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2016, 08:17:57 AM
So while the anti-gunners conjure up every excuse and reason to take away guns from law abiding U.S. citizens, the Obama administration is ensuring Islamic terrorists have the best made AK's the CIA can get their hands on . . . Before they're "stolen" of course.
Post by: ChiComCat on June 30, 2016, 08:28:51 AM
Or situations like this that have actually happened in real lifeThat makes no sense. What if the only reason the person was only injured on the property instead of killed was because the perpetrator did not bring a gun into the gun free zone?
You mean like they were beaten with a baseball bat instead of shot because criminals abide the signs too?
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/03/marine-killed-trying-intervene-domestic-dispute-texas-walgreens
The guy who was killed had a gun, so I don't think a No Guns sign got him killed.
Hmmm, maybe having a gun at all times doesn't put you at more risk and this law is stupid
Post by: catastrophe on June 30, 2016, 09:29:58 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 30, 2016, 11:29:52 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 30, 2016, 11:31:54 AM
I'm thinking the majority of gun violence is not really premeditated (excluding suicide), so it's dumb to assume that everyone who ends up shooting another person would have disregarded all other laws leading up to that point.
Then why do we preclude felons from possessing firearms?
Post by: star seed 7 on June 30, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 30, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
Post by: catastrophe on June 30, 2016, 11:48:56 AM
I'm thinking the majority of gun violence is not really premeditated (excluding suicide), so it's dumb to assume that everyone who ends up shooting another person would have disregarded all other laws leading up to that point.
Then why do we preclude felons from possessing firearms?
For pretty much the same reason. In both instances you are starting from the assumption that the person will follow the rules so that they don't end up in a heat of the moment situation later with a gun in their hand.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
Dax, man, you are very very angry. Like, all the time. What politician do you even like? Or do you just get off on being pissed off all the time?
Quite the opposite actually. I guess you just don't see the stupidity and hypocrisy of an administration that on one hand is the worlds largest arms dealer, yet wants to prevent (and some in the administration want to confiscate) law abiding U.S. Citizens from buying guns.
But, you're good at taking pictures of stadiums but a little dull when it come to politics. Sorry to have let you on the truth SB, but chin up.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on June 30, 2016, 01:26:39 PM
Dax, man, you are very very angry. Like, all the time. What politician do you even like? Or do you just get off on being pissed off all the time?
Quite the opposite actually. I guess you just don't see the stupidity and hypocrisy of an administration that on one hand is the worlds largest arms dealer, yet wants to prevent (and some in the administration want to confiscate) law abiding U.S. Citizens from buying guns.
But, you're good at taking pictures of stadiums but a little dull when it come to politics. Sorry to have let you on the truth SB, but chin up.
Oh man wait'll you see all the pics I took at SMU last weekend, I even got into their press box and lockerroom :excited:
Post by: DQ12 on June 30, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
I'm thinking the majority of gun violence is not really premeditated (excluding suicide), so it's dumb to assume that everyone who ends up shooting another person would have disregarded all other laws leading up to that point.the mass shootings certainly seem premeditated.
Post by: catastrophe on June 30, 2016, 02:08:18 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 30, 2016, 02:10:45 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2016, 02:35:23 PM
So we should or should not make gun regulation because of knee-jerk reactions to mass shootings? :confused:
There is a mass shooting every other week, it cannot be knee jerk by definition.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 30, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
So we should or should not make gun regulation because of knee-jerk reactions to mass shootings? :confused:
There is a mass shooting every other week, it cannot be knee jerk by definition.
Knee-jerk meaning: on the heels of a specific event, not logical, and relevantly inconsequential.
Post by: DQ12 on June 30, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
Post by: sys on June 30, 2016, 03:26:17 PM
Aren't the mass shootings our main concern?
people are all over the place with their main concerns.
Post by: DQ12 on June 30, 2016, 03:33:56 PM
Post by: sys on June 30, 2016, 03:39:50 PM
well given that gun homicide rates have been declining for some time, I assumed it was the highly publicized mass shootings that were causing most of the outrage.
a lot of it is just outrage that people may be using guns to feel like their dicks are bigger than they are.
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 30, 2016, 03:41:04 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on June 30, 2016, 04:38:47 PM
well given that gun homicide rates have been declining for some time, I assumed it was the highly publicized mass shootings that were causing most of the outrage.
ty abortion
Post by: DQ12 on June 30, 2016, 04:56:48 PM
isn't the abortion rate also falling?well given that gun homicide rates have been declining for some time, I assumed it was the highly publicized mass shootings that were causing most of the outrage.
ty abortion
Post by: star seed 7 on June 30, 2016, 05:00:33 PM
Post by: DQ12 on June 30, 2016, 05:05:58 PM
But I think we're maybe getting a little beside the point.
Post by: star seed 7 on June 30, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
Post by: catastrophe on June 30, 2016, 05:41:40 PM
Aren't the mass shootings our main concern?
people are all over the place with their main concerns.
They're separate issues. My comments were in relation to discussion about gun free zones. Mass shootings can never be prevented as long as semiautomatic guns exist. The best you can do there is focus on mental health issues (ideally with corresponding gun screenings). Culture is a big part of it too.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 01, 2016, 11:02:17 AM
So we should or should not make gun regulation because of knee-jerk reactions to mass shootings? :confused:
There is a mass shooting every other week, it cannot be knee jerk by definition.
Knee-jerk meaning: on the heels of a specific event, not logical, and relevantly inconsequential.
Basically everything is on the heels of our weekly mass shootings.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 01, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
So we should or should not make gun regulation because of knee-jerk reactions to mass shootings? :confused:
There is a mass shooting every other week, it cannot be knee jerk by definition.
Knee-jerk meaning: on the heels of a specific event, not logical, and relevantly inconsequential.
Basically everything is on the heels of our weekly mass shootings.
McRib is back! (Thanks to mass shootings.)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 01, 2016, 01:22:28 PM
So we should or should not make gun regulation because of knee-jerk reactions to mass shootings? :confused:
There is a mass shooting every other week, it cannot be knee jerk by definition.
Knee-jerk meaning: on the heels of a specific event, not logical, and relevantly inconsequential.
Basically everything is on the heels of our weekly mass shootings.
McRib is back! (Thanks to mass shootings.)
Exactly
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 02, 2016, 08:00:09 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-california-law-lowers-the-bar-for-gun-seizures-1467409616?mod=e2tw
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 12, 2016, 10:38:48 AM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/report-shawnee-walmart-store-locked-down-after-shooting/41618956
Post by: star seed 7 on September 12, 2016, 10:40:43 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 12, 2016, 10:48:12 AM
1) appears to be a random attack, robbery probably? who robs a single mom at wal-mart?
2) police initially arrested the wrong guy
3) the only one that could help them find the right guy is dead
Post by: star seed 7 on September 12, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 12, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
Post by: catastrophe on September 12, 2016, 11:45:19 AM
Post by: Skipper44 on September 12, 2016, 12:18:18 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 12, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
Post by: CNS on September 12, 2016, 01:23:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 12, 2016, 01:31:29 PM
The article I read yesterday made it sound like an attempted baby snatching. :dunno:
This is more believable than the random beating
Post by: CNS on September 12, 2016, 01:38:19 PM
Post by: stunted on September 12, 2016, 04:03:17 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 14, 2016, 12:18:29 PM
Post by: stunted on September 14, 2016, 12:29:49 PM
Looks like they got the right (2nd) guy, OP resident. Also appears to be an attempted baby snatching. I can't even imagine...
(https://i.gyazo.com/530ea8d892b5a875770e1072f0aa9a05.png)
:sdeek:
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 14, 2016, 12:38:50 PM
Here's the thug they arrested:
(https://localtvwdaf.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/wyattmug.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&w=300&strip=all)
Was on parole for drug and involuntary manslaughter convictions. :sdeek: Hope he goes to that pine oil heaven.
Post by: stunted on September 14, 2016, 12:40:51 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on September 14, 2016, 12:43:25 PM
Post by: stunted on September 14, 2016, 12:46:08 PM
Is that the same baby they tried to kidnap?
lol no, that's probably his. looks like hes got a bunch of kids, and still pulls this stunt. smh!
Post by: steve dave on November 04, 2016, 10:48:50 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 05, 2016, 10:04:02 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article112728203.html
Gotta regulate their militia better
Post by: dal9 on November 05, 2016, 03:26:09 PM
I, being a statistics expert ("D stands for data"), believe that if abortion rates and gun homicides were inversely correlated, like you suggest, then as abortion rates fall, gun homicide rates would rise.if the demographic most into mass shootings were newborns.
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 07, 2016, 10:16:17 AM
Post by: SdK on November 07, 2016, 12:46:33 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 10:13:15 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
Oklahoma Man Uses AR-15 to Kill Three Teen Home Intruders
by AVALON ZOPPO
A 23-year-old Oklahoma man used a semi-automatic AR-15 rifle to shoot and kill three masked teenage intruders dressed in black who broke into his home Monday afternoon — an act authorities are investigating as self-defense.
Zach Peters, the homeowner's son, fatally shot an 18-year-old man and two boys ranging between 16 and 17 around 12:30 p.m. The trio allegedly forced their way into the residence through a back door and were killed after exchanging words with Peters, who fired multiple shots.
Police said the alleged getaway driver, 21-year-old Elizabeth Rodriguez, surrendered to the Broken Arrow Police Department Monday evening and is facing charges on three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of burglary.
Her first court appearance, set for Tuesday, has been pushed to April 5 and she was ordered to be held on no bond.
"Upon making entry to the home, one of the residents fired a rifle striking all three of the suspects," the Wagoner County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.
Wagoner County Deputy Sheriff Nick Mahoney said that Rodriguez is being charged with the murders because she was in "commission of felony" when she allegedly dropped them off at the residence, meaning she had an intent to burglarize the home. He said the crime was random and there was no connection between the suspects and Peters.
Police said all of the unidentified suspects were wearing black clothes, masks and gloves. One was armed with a knife and another with brass knuckles. Two of the intruders died in the kitchen, while the other reached the driveway, "before succumbing to his injuries," according to the statement.
After the shooting, police said the son and homeowner made statements at the sheriff's office.
Although authorities are approaching the shooting as self-defense, Mahoney said the investigation is open and the district attorney will ultimately decide whether charges are filed.
Similar to 22 other states, Oklahoma has passed stand-your-ground legislation which justifies a person using deadly force in order to protect themselves under certain circumstances.
Oklahoma's law states that a person who is attacked in their home "has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."
"They are looking at it as self-defense but they are also looking at any other possible way that it could be looked at," Mahoney said.
During a press conference, First Assistant District Attorney Jack Thorp called the case "complex" and said a Medical Examiner is working to identify the bodies of the three teens. Charges will likely be filed against Rodriguez next week.
A probable cause affidavit was presented to the court, allowing Rodriguez to be held without charges past 48 hours, officials said. Thorp told NBC News that Rodriguez does not yet have a lawyer.
"This is a triple homicide. We want to make sure we cross all our t's and dot our i's. We need the maximum amount of information before filing charges… Hopefully, as we go forward, we'll see whether the facts meet the law," Thorp said during the press conference.
The AR-15 was the weapon used in mass shootings such as Newtown, the Aurora movie theater in Colorado and San Bernardino.
Bloodshed like this is rare in the area, Mahoney told NBC-affiliate KJRH. Broken Arrow, with a population of 103,500 people, is the largest suburb of Tulsa and is located about 15 miles east of the city.
"This isn't something that happens frequently here," Mahoney told NBC-affiliate KJRH. "We don't generally have triple shootings inside Wagoner County. It's a very nice neighborhood...the neighbors have all been concerned...it's not something that happens."
Post by: Brock Landers on March 28, 2017, 10:32:34 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 28, 2017, 10:35:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on March 28, 2017, 10:56:23 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 29, 2017, 06:15:16 AM
Post by: puniraptor on March 29, 2017, 07:06:57 AM
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2017, 07:09:20 AM
I feel the same, I actually feel bad for the kid that killed them, he's pretty young to have to live with that for the rest of his life.
Well this was the exact scenario and reason he bought an ar 15
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2017, 07:20:27 AM
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Post by: The Big Train on March 29, 2017, 07:28:38 AM
I feel sorry for the dead people. What must have been wrong in their lives to turn to this? Was it bad parenting? A society that didn't care for them? Or just some sort of downright perversion developed watching MTV and Tosh.O? I don't know the answer, but they are the only victims here, IMO.
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MTV and Tosh.O? I have never seen a B&E on either of those shows/channels.
Post by: puniraptor on March 29, 2017, 07:38:11 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2017, 08:04:59 AM
I feel sorry for the dead people. What must have been wrong in their lives to turn to this? Was it bad parenting? A society that didn't care for them? Or just some sort of downright perversion developed watching MTV and Tosh.O? I don't know the answer, but they are the only victims here, IMO.
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I'm pretty sure thieves have existed since the beginning of mankind.
Post by: steve dave on March 29, 2017, 08:41:49 AM
Who plays him in? the movie?
a shaven tom selleck
Post by: Katpappy on March 29, 2017, 09:18:53 AM
To old. :Yuck:Who plays him in? the movie?
a shaven tom selleck
Post by: cfbandyman on March 29, 2017, 10:04:57 AM
I don't really have an issue with the guy that shot the burglars. Hopefully the driver can get the murder charges dropped as a plea deal. Life in prison for that seems excessive.
Yeah, I'm not understanding why she is getting charged with murder. Like, I get being charged with burglary, being the get away car driver and all, and I could get her being charged with murder if the three teens killed the home occupants, but I can not get that getting turned around when the homeowner knocks off the intruders.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 29, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
I don't really have an issue with the guy that shot the burglars. Hopefully the driver can get the murder charges dropped as a plea deal. Life in prison for that seems excessive.
Yeah, I'm not understanding why she is getting charged with murder. Like, I get being charged with burglary, being the get away car driver and all, and I could get her being charged with murder if the three teens killed the home occupants, but I can not get that getting turned around when the homeowner knocks off the intruders.
It is not unusual for an accomplice to get charged with murder when their partner gets killed in the commission of a crime.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 29, 2017, 10:37:57 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on March 29, 2017, 10:42:25 AM
This is covered in the movie "heat"
Fell asleep watching it, I thought it was absolutely boring.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 29, 2017, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on March 29, 2017, 10:44:17 AM
I don't really have an issue with the guy that shot the burglars. Hopefully the driver can get the murder charges dropped as a plea deal. Life in prison for that seems excessive.
Yeah, I'm not understanding why she is getting charged with murder. Like, I get being charged with burglary, being the get away car driver and all, and I could get her being charged with murder if the three teens killed the home occupants, but I can not get that getting turned around when the homeowner knocks off the intruders.
It is not unusual for an accomplice to get charged with murder when their partner gets killed in the commission of a crime.
I can get making it a law, just a weird logic I haven't been able to really process. It just seems excessive.
Post by: star seed 7 on March 29, 2017, 10:45:55 AM
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on March 29, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
Guy shoots/kills a swat officer during a no-knock warrant, murder or self defense?
Do they yell “Police” as they run in?
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 29, 2017, 10:53:49 AM
I feel sorry for the dead people. What must have been wrong in their lives to turn to this? Was it bad parenting? A society that didn't care for them? Or just some sort of downright perversion developed watching MTV and Tosh.O? I don't know the answer, but they are the only victims here, IMO.
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MTV and Tosh.O? I have never seen a B&E on either of those shows/channels.
I don't watch either so I don't know. I'm afraid that exposing myself could lead me to a life of crime and misfortune.
Anyway, I find it hard to believe there isn't something to blame other than the people directly responsible for their own deaths.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 29, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
Guy shoots/kills a swat officer during a no-knock warrant, murder or self defense?
The other cops would kill that guy, anyway, so we will never know.
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2017, 12:34:30 PM
This is covered in the movie "heat"
drawing a blank
Post by: star seed 7 on March 29, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Post by: mocat on March 29, 2017, 01:06:20 PM
On the movie?
i don't remember that particular scenario in Heat. i believe you i just can't remember where that comes up
Post by: puniraptor on March 29, 2017, 03:43:38 PM
Murderers/rapers are to blame. You don't know a burglar's intent is pure until they are safely out the door with your VCR.I feel sorry for the dead people. What must have been wrong in their lives to turn to this? Was it bad parenting? A society that didn't care for them? Or just some sort of downright perversion developed watching MTV and Tosh.O? I don't know the answer, but they are the only victims here, IMO.
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MTV and Tosh.O? I have never seen a B&E on either of those shows/channels.
I don't watch either so I don't know. I'm afraid that exposing myself could lead me to a life of crime and misfortune.
Anyway, I find it hard to believe there isn't something to blame other than the people directly responsible for their own deaths.
Post by: catastrophe on March 29, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 29, 2017, 04:28:33 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPorNETU.jpg&hash=9dbb98162012099599511b3392c3bea7ab5f32a5)
Post by: MakeItRain on March 29, 2017, 05:35:06 PM
I would shoot this guy and anyone with him if they were in my house.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPorNETU.jpg&hash=9dbb98162012099599511b3392c3bea7ab5f32a5)
Oh, okay cool. Thank you for sharing.
Post by: puniraptor on March 29, 2017, 05:45:39 PM
I would shoot this guy and anyone with him if they were in my house.
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Oh, okay cool. Thank you for sharing.
I kept my guns and ammo locked up separately, so I would have to use my bare hands. I would form my 4 fingers and thumb into a spear point and thrust it up through the flesh of his lower jaw, punching my arm up through his jaw and out his mouth up to my elbow. then I would twist my body and throw him over my shoulder, the force of the throw ripping off his lower jaw and landing him face up on the ground. at this point I would full force cannonball into his abdomen. I think he will probably surrender at that point, but if not I would have to improvise my next step.
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Post by: The Big Train on March 29, 2017, 08:10:31 PM
I would point a gun at a burglar until the police got there. I would probably only shoot them if they came at me or someone else. I don't own anything worth killing someone over.
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Not even your life?
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Post by: mhkpasa on March 30, 2017, 08:31:17 AM
Hot steaming horse manure charging this guy for killing three people coming into.his house. They weren't there to take a dump or drink coffee. He has the right to blast them to protect himself and his family. What in the hell is wrong with this world?
What are you talking about Skinny Benny?
Post by: Institutional Control on March 30, 2017, 08:46:43 AM
I would point a gun at a burglar until the police got there. I would probably only shoot them if they came at me or someone else. I don't own anything worth killing someone over.
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I'd shoot them if they came at me or one of my family members. But I'm not going to shoot someone for trying to steal my TV. Or my car.
Post by: mhkpasa on March 30, 2017, 08:48:36 AM
I would point a gun at a burglar until the police got there. I would probably only shoot them if they came at me or someone else. I don't own anything worth killing someone over.
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Not even your life?
I'd shoot them if they came at me or one of my family members. But I'm not going to shoot someone for trying to steal my TV. Or my car.
Apparently you don't possess the blood lust to live in Okla or Texas
Post by: Institutional Control on March 30, 2017, 08:54:37 AM
I've been living in Texas for 19 years now.I would point a gun at a burglar until the police got there. I would probably only shoot them if they came at me or someone else. I don't own anything worth killing someone over.
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Not even your life?
I'd shoot them if they came at me or one of my family members. But I'm not going to shoot someone for trying to steal my TV. Or my car.
Apparently you don't possess the blood lust to live in Okla or Texas
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 30, 2017, 09:54:05 AM
Post by: mhkpasa on March 30, 2017, 10:07:45 AM
I've been living in Texas for 19 years now.I would point a gun at a burglar until the police got there. I would probably only shoot them if they came at me or someone else. I don't own anything worth killing someone over.
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Not even your life?
I'd shoot them if they came at me or one of my family members. But I'm not going to shoot someone for trying to steal my TV. Or my car.
Apparently you don't possess the blood lust to live in Okla or Texas
Oh I believe you, I was gEing
Post by: cfbandyman on March 30, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
Hot steaming horse manure charging this guy for killing three people coming into.his house. They weren't there to take a dump or drink coffee. He has the right to blast them to protect himself and his family. What in the hell is wrong with this world?
lol at not reading the story.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on March 30, 2017, 02:18:45 PM
nobody owns their life, its gods life manI would point a gun at a burglar until the police got there. I would probably only shoot them if they came at me or someone else. I don't own anything worth killing someone over.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2017, 08:09:30 PM
This chick is going to get the death penalty.
Post by: Emo EMAW on March 30, 2017, 09:01:51 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on March 30, 2017, 10:22:26 PM
Rage, please surrender your jump to conclusions mat.
I still think murder charges are too stiff. :dunno:
Post by: MakeItRain on March 30, 2017, 10:27:17 PM
Rage, please surrender your jump to conclusions mat.
I still think murder charges are too stiff. :dunno:
She made two minors rob a house and they got shot in commission of said robbery. I want to know how this 21 year old was hanging with 16, 17, & 18 year olds.
Post by: mhkpasa on April 03, 2017, 11:12:37 AM
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Post by: catastrophe on April 03, 2017, 01:07:03 PM
Additional details have come out about the AR robbery. That was the second time that day those guys robbed the house. The 21 year old woman who was arrested as the "getaway driver" actually sent them back after the first robbery because they didn't get enough loot for her to pay her rent.
This chick is going to get the death penalty.
Don't think the death penalty is available in felony murder cases.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 03, 2017, 02:35:26 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 03, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
Post by: wetwillie on April 03, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
Ball(s)?
Bro
Post by: mhkpasa on April 04, 2017, 09:07:35 AM
So the two people had to know each other, right? For the guy to have the ball(s) to stick around in the shower while the homeowner left long enough to go to another house and get a gun.
So at this point the only other witness to the initial interaction is dead. Wouldn't be a stretch to speculate that the homeowner never actually made contact or exchanged words with victim in shower. Either way, long shower.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on April 04, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
So the two people had to know each other, right? For the guy to have the ball(s) to stick around in the shower while the homeowner left long enough to go to another house and get a gun.
So at this point the only other witness to the initial interaction is dead. Wouldn't be a stretch to speculate that the homeowner never actually made contact or exchanged words with victim in shower. Either way, long shower.
True. But why would the homeowner lie about the initial interaction? Does that interaction justify him shooting the showerer somehow? If he was going to lie he should have said he already had the gun with him and the shooting was the first interaction they had; that would seem more spur of the moment self defense than going home to get a gun to purposefully murder someone.
Post by: mhkpasa on April 04, 2017, 10:12:07 AM
So the two people had to know each other, right? For the guy to have the ball(s) to stick around in the shower while the homeowner left long enough to go to another house and get a gun.
So at this point the only other witness to the initial interaction is dead. Wouldn't be a stretch to speculate that the homeowner never actually made contact or exchanged words with victim in shower. Either way, long shower.
True. But why would the homeowner lie about the initial interaction? Does that interaction justify him shooting the showerer somehow? If he was going to lie he should have said he already had the gun with him and the shooting was the first interaction they had; that would seem more spur of the moment self defense than going home to get a gun to purposefully murder someone.
No it doesn't, I'm just thinking about why the showerer wouldn't bail...like he never heard the homeowner yell at him or warn him the first time. The homeowner might not have realized going and getting a gun and returning would be considered grounds for 2nd degree murder. He might've figured that 'exchanged words' would sound better. IDK, all speculation. Just saying there's no way you force entry to take a shower, hear someone yell at you, and then continue to lather, rinse, repeat.
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Wow. Usually people that react like that don't live so close to other people.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 05, 2017, 09:18:31 AM
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Wow. Usually people that react like that don't live so close to other people.
Just your average suburban Texas gun guy. Looking for any excuse to "legally" kill someone.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 05, 2017, 10:56:47 AM
Post by: steve dave on April 08, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
http://www.ketv.com/article/toddler-cuts-his-own-hair-immediately-regrets-it/9246921
and lol
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Accidentally-Shoots-Himself-at-NRA-Headquarters-418677433.html
Post by: Institutional Control on April 08, 2017, 06:13:44 PM
awful :frown:Did you mean to post this in the white people name thread?
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Post by: Katpappy on April 09, 2017, 11:35:49 PM
oh man, it was a story about a 2 year old killing himself with his dad's gun. probably for the best it turned into the haircut kid.Both are very sad; mainly cause I watched the home vid of the future barber... that's a few prime minutes of my life I'll never get back. Sad, very sad. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fforum%2FSmileys%2FgoEMAW%2Fshaking_fist.png.gif&hash=963d031af511409138d7e26c3b0f79c5c7885d13)
Post by: AbeFroman on April 10, 2017, 01:34:33 PM
Post by: 8manpick on April 10, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
Someone just exercised their 2nd amendment right at an elementary school in California. :frown:That isn't their personal property, Abe
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Post by: Yard Dog on April 11, 2017, 12:03:52 PM
I'm sure trumpublicans would argue that wives are personal property.
Nah. I don't think even 1% of trump voters would think this way.
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Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2017, 12:27:16 PM
Post by: Yard Dog on April 11, 2017, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: SdK on April 11, 2017, 12:32:25 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 11, 2017, 02:18:19 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 11, 2017, 02:44:56 PM
Lots of wives take an oath before God to give themselves unconditionally to their husbands.
For real?
Post by: Yard Dog on April 11, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
Lots of wives take an oath before God to give themselves unconditionally to their husbands.
Have any proof to back up this claim? I have never heard of this happening. . .ever.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2017, 04:04:33 PM
Post by: puniraptor on April 11, 2017, 04:06:36 PM
I went to a wedding where the wife was pronounced dead because they were now one person (the man).Lots of wives take an oath before God to give themselves unconditionally to their husbands.
Have any proof to back up this claim? I have never heard of this happening. . .ever.
Post by: Yard Dog on April 11, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
Nothing I have ever heard at a wedding implies that the woman is below the man or is his property.
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Post by: Yard Dog on April 11, 2017, 04:19:07 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 11, 2017, 04:33:05 PM
I didnt realize there were so many low information wedding attendees in this thread.
Just 1 so far
Post by: SdK on April 11, 2017, 04:37:12 PM
I've also met a few women who converted to this strict level of religion.
These couples make up roughly half of the conservatives I know and were all pounding social media for Trump.
Their church is also quite large in MHK.
From this, 24 couples, I feel confident that at least 1% of Trump voters view women as be submissive to her husband and to do all that he says without flinching.
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2017, 06:33:33 PM
In my youth I was close with two large families and they children are all married and live life as I described.
I've also met a few women who converted to this strict level of religion.
These couples make up roughly half of the conservatives I know and were all pounding social media for Trump.
Their church is also quite large in MHK.
From this, 24 couples, I feel confident that at least 1% of Trump voters view women as be submissive to her husband and to do all that he says without flinching.
Not really sure what argument you're trying to make, other than pointing out that some religious sects have fundamentalist views about the role of women in the household. However, even in such a worldview, the women occupy equally important but less public roles. And if a woman in a secular society voluntarily chooses to convert to such a lifestyle, you can hardly say she is being subjugated against her will. Property rights are like a bundle of sticks (there was a shorter term for this, but I chose not to use it), and one of the biggest sticks in the bunch is the right to dispose of your property as you see fit. I'm sure you'll grant me that murder and divorce are not tolerated in these religious groups.
Post by: SdK on April 11, 2017, 06:39:25 PM
Murdering a dog is not acceptable either.
I'm not trying to demean anyone or cut down their lifestyle. They are all happy with their lives and I am happy for them.
Perhaps i have a more lenient view on being property. When you have to check with your husband all through out the day to let him know what you are doing and he becomes upset when you don't, when he tells you how to dress, and what to do everyday that is property to me.
Does it mean the wife is treated like trash? Abused? Belittled? No. But neither are dogs, cats, etc.
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
Who said anything about it being against her will? All parties I've met are willing participant.
Murdering a dog is not acceptable either.
I'm not trying to demean anyone or cut down their lifestyle. They are all happy with their lives and I am happy for them.
Perhaps i have a more lenient view on being property. When you have to check with your husband all through out the day to let him know what you are doing and he becomes upset when you don't, when he tells you how to dress, and what to do everyday that is property to me.
Does it mean the wife is treated like trash? Abused? Belittled? No. But neither are dogs, cats, etc.
My property does none of these things for me. Am I doing it wrong?
Post by: Spracne on April 11, 2017, 06:44:29 PM
Post by: SdK on April 11, 2017, 07:12:51 PM
Anyway, they are happy as far as I can tell and that's all that matters.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 11, 2017, 08:01:35 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on April 12, 2017, 08:21:38 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2017, 08:27:06 AM
You should check out a crazy Baptist wedding.
I've been to one. No dancing, no booze. Just cake and non-alcoholic punch and then everyone went home. Never again.
Post by: Yard Dog on April 12, 2017, 08:32:14 AM
Maybe pay attention then? Or maybe I hit the jackpot in ultra crazy Baptists and my perspective is skewed?
I think this might be accurate. I feel like I have been to a lot of Kansas weddings. . .and none were of this type.
This disagreement could be seen as a microcosm of the greater difference between the dems and pubs on this board. We all have different experiences, so something obvious to one person seems foreign to another and vice versa.
I have never known anyone that owned a gun that wasn't almost overly responsible with it. Even if they were a little lax, they weren't going to bring it out in an inappropriate situation and would never discharge it in a place that wasn't strictly allowed. (Mind you, I am young enough most of my friends aren't to the "stand your ground to protect the family" stages of their lives).
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 12, 2017, 08:33:43 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 12, 2017, 08:40:22 AM
Might have been the same one? :sdeek: Did a super cool guy offer you some booze in the parking lot?
Nobody offered me booze, but I made sure to eat dinner with a few friends at a place that served booze after it was over.
Post by: Emo EMAW on April 12, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Maybe pay attention then? Or maybe I hit the jackpot in ultra crazy Baptists and my perspective is skewed?
I think this might be accurate. I feel like I have been to a lot of Kansas weddings. . .and none were of this type.
This disagreement could be seen as a microcosm of the greater difference between the dems and pubs on this board. We all have different experiences, so something obvious to one person seems foreign to another and vice versa.
I have never known anyone that owned a gun that wasn't almost overly responsible with it. Even if they were a little lax, they weren't going to bring it out in an inappropriate situation and would never discharge it in a place that wasn't strictly allowed. (Mind you, I am young enough most of my friends aren't to the "stand your ground to protect the family" stages of their lives).
RE: disagreement...at least with respect to myself...I know I can come off prickly sometimes. I'm aware that I agree with 95% of the stuff posted, and because I agree I don't really comment. It's the very small percentage that I disagree with that I comment on. I'm sure that makes me appear to be disagreeable. Anyway, I certainly don't post to try and let people know I'm right, I'm just searching for the truth through conversation, and sometimes I have been wrong and have changed my mind.
Post by: Yard Dog on April 12, 2017, 08:58:19 AM
Maybe pay attention then? Or maybe I hit the jackpot in ultra crazy Baptists and my perspective is skewed?
I think this might be accurate. I feel like I have been to a lot of Kansas weddings. . .and none were of this type.
This disagreement could be seen as a microcosm of the greater difference between the dems and pubs on this board. We all have different experiences, so something obvious to one person seems foreign to another and vice versa.
I have never known anyone that owned a gun that wasn't almost overly responsible with it. Even if they were a little lax, they weren't going to bring it out in an inappropriate situation and would never discharge it in a place that wasn't strictly allowed. (Mind you, I am young enough most of my friends aren't to the "stand your ground to protect the family" stages of their lives).
RE: disagreement...at least with respect to myself...I know I can come off prickly sometimes. I'm aware that I agree with 95% of the stuff posted, and because I agree I don't really comment. It's the very small percentage that I disagree with that I comment on. I'm sure that makes me appear to be disagreeable. Anyway, I certainly don't post to try and let people know I'm right, I'm just searching for the truth through conversation, and sometimes I have been wrong and have changed my mind.
Completely understand and I relate. I was meaning to imply the overall disagreement that involved a bunch of people on the marriage front. . .but it was your comment about skewed perspective that helped me check my innate desire to assume my experiences are the most accurate without taking into account anyone else's.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2017, 09:35:43 AM
You should check out a crazy Baptist wedding.
thank goodness I don't know these people. I would lol over those types of vows
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 12, 2017, 09:36:55 AM
You should check out a crazy Baptist wedding.
I've been to one. No dancing, no booze. Just cake and non-alcoholic punch and then everyone went home. Never again.
So I guess this is a thing. I have been to hundreds of weddings and never one with no booze or dancing. Next time one of these sects has a wedding, can one of you invite me?
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 10:18:46 AM
A lot of my posts are for the purpose in the pit, to learn. Other times I'm just being a dick because something isn't pleasing in my personal life. Other times the ex debater in me comes out for funsies. My posts about the wife property were solely because I crunched the numbers.Maybe pay attention then? Or maybe I hit the jackpot in ultra crazy Baptists and my perspective is skewed?
I think this might be accurate. I feel like I have been to a lot of Kansas weddings. . .and none were of this type.
This disagreement could be seen as a microcosm of the greater difference between the dems and pubs on this board. We all have different experiences, so something obvious to one person seems foreign to another and vice versa.
I have never known anyone that owned a gun that wasn't almost overly responsible with it. Even if they were a little lax, they weren't going to bring it out in an inappropriate situation and would never discharge it in a place that wasn't strictly allowed. (Mind you, I am young enough most of my friends aren't to the "stand your ground to protect the family" stages of their lives).
RE: disagreement...at least with respect to myself...I know I can come off prickly sometimes. I'm aware that I agree with 95% of the stuff posted, and because I agree I don't really comment. It's the very small percentage that I disagree with that I comment on. I'm sure that makes me appear to be disagreeable. Anyway, I certainly don't post to try and let people know I'm right, I'm just searching for the truth through conversation, and sometimes I have been wrong and have changed my mind.
On the whole, I generally enjoy playing devils advocate. Rarely are they hills I want to die on.
Post by: SdK on April 12, 2017, 10:20:54 AM
I worked at a restaurant which was owned by a very strict southern Baptist family. Some country music was on the radio and I began dancing by myself. I told the mother she should dance as well. She said that she gave up dancing when she married her husband.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on May 31, 2017, 03:51:14 PM
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Post by: Gooch on May 31, 2017, 04:26:38 PM
you think people who live in Olathe need guns for protection?SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED CF3
Post by: star seed 7 on May 31, 2017, 04:28:58 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 31, 2017, 04:31:02 PM
you think people who live in Olathe need guns for protection?
Yeah, probably. It's really hard to kill a home invader if you don't have a gun nearby.
Post by: SdK on May 31, 2017, 04:40:22 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on May 31, 2017, 10:42:06 PM
Some parts of Olathe are pretty rough.
Might be the roughest burb of Kansas side
Post by: The Big Train on June 03, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
Some parts of Olathe are pretty rough.
Might be the roughest burb of Kansas side
Worse than KCK?
Post by: Institutional Control on June 03, 2017, 05:08:40 PM
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Post by: wetwillie on June 03, 2017, 05:18:57 PM
Did some Indian guys get shot in Olathe?
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Yessir
Post by: Emo EMAW on June 05, 2017, 11:55:06 AM
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Post by: michigancat on June 29, 2017, 01:34:43 PM
:frown:
Post by: SdK on June 29, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
Pointed it at his nine year daughter and pulled the trigger?
Wtf?
Post by: SdK on June 29, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 07, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 08, 2017, 09:57:54 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on October 15, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
The myth of the responsible gun owner
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 24, 2017, 06:17:23 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 25, 2017, 05:25:34 PM
I think this goes here:
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Neighbors said he had just walked his two sons to school. Police said that's when Pickert's wife heard a gunshot, went outside and discovered her husband in front of the house.
KCPD officers have found the white Chevrolet van the believed the suspect was driving with Missouri license plate 6FA 453. It was unoccupied.
DMV records show the van's license plates are registered to David Jungerman, the defendant in a civil lawsuit Pickert and his firm recently won.
The lawsuit was filed over a 2012 shooting. Two homeless men broke into Jungerman's business, believed to to have been trying to steal copper. A silent alarm went off and Jungerman went to the building armed with an AK-47. He shot both men.
One of the men, Jeffery Harris, sued Jungerman and won. Jungerman was ordered to pay $5.75 million.
According to court records, on Tuesday Jungerman was served with documents pertaining to the sale of his property to pay off the lawsuit debt.
Post by: Institutional Control on October 25, 2017, 05:29:57 PM
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Post by: Phil Titola on October 25, 2017, 05:34:25 PM
I don’t know how I feel about that.
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a lawyer got killed right after walking his kids to school all because he let the jury decide a case....yeah tough one.
Post by: mocat on October 25, 2017, 05:36:25 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on October 25, 2017, 05:39:37 PM
Obviously it’s terrible that he was killed. And I don’t know the details/facts of the original case so I probably should have just not commented.I don’t know how I feel about that.
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Post by: Phil Titola on October 25, 2017, 05:41:24 PM
Just think...he let's homeless guys go, 3 lives are better right now....not to mention families/kids. (allegedly)
Post by: star seed 7 on October 25, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on October 25, 2017, 05:52:36 PM
Or like, call the police and let them shoot the homeless guys
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Post by: star seed 7 on November 18, 2017, 12:33:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 18, 2017, 12:40:09 PM
http://wate.com/2017/11/16/2-accidentally-shot-at-east-tenn-church-during-church-shooting-discussion/
:D
Post by: IPA4Me on November 18, 2017, 12:41:35 PM
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Post by: bucket on November 18, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 18, 2017, 01:24:36 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 18, 2017, 01:40:37 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on November 18, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 18, 2017, 04:33:34 PM
Not with his gun.
Lol
Post by: bucket on November 18, 2017, 04:40:49 PM
Not with his gun.
Lol
Depends on their race.
Post by: mocat on January 01, 2018, 03:17:11 PM
Post by: steve dave on March 21, 2018, 03:20:51 PM
Post by: Katpappy on March 21, 2018, 08:43:35 PM
http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/omaha-man-shoots-his-pinky-after-falling-asleep-holding-his/article_46c6dafe-ea09-5e08-9e10-4c5a85af55d9.htmlSo it's illegal to buy a gun at a sporting goods store and take it home. Something not right about that. :dunno:
Post by: dal9 on March 21, 2018, 09:49:29 PM
http://www.kshb.com/news/crime/kcmo-police-say-homeowner-shot-and-killed-in-front-yard
I think this goes here:QuoteNeighbors said he had just walked his two sons to school. Police said that's when Pickert's wife heard a gunshot, went outside and discovered her husband in front of the house.
KCPD officers have found the white Chevrolet van the believed the suspect was driving with Missouri license plate 6FA 453. It was unoccupied.
DMV records show the van's license plates are registered to David Jungerman, the defendant in a civil lawsuit Pickert and his firm recently won.
The lawsuit was filed over a 2012 shooting. Two homeless men broke into Jungerman's business, believed to to have been trying to steal copper. A silent alarm went off and Jungerman went to the building armed with an AK-47. He shot both men.
One of the men, Jeffery Harris, sued Jungerman and won. Jungerman was ordered to pay $5.75 million.
According to court records, on Tuesday Jungerman was served with documents pertaining to the sale of his property to pay off the lawsuit debt.
http://fox4kc.com/2018/03/09/80-year-old-kansas-city-man-held-on-1-million-cash-bond-over-long-history-of-gun-threats-retaliations/
Post by: mhkpasa on April 13, 2018, 09:40:42 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2018, 03:48:24 PM
https://twitter.com/_Kendalljones_/status/992915100083343364
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 07, 2018, 08:01:03 PM
Post by: catastrophe on May 07, 2018, 08:26:17 PM
More proof pubs are more attractive than libs
He's like 8 years old :sdeek:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on May 07, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
Post by: dal9 on May 08, 2018, 12:47:08 AM
got 'imMore proof pubs are more attractive than libs
He's like 8 years old :sdeek:
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Post by: bucket on June 28, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 20, 2018, 08:17:14 PM
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Post by: mocat on July 23, 2018, 08:48:33 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 23, 2018, 08:58:02 AM
I really don't get why this guy is getting charged with anything.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 23, 2018, 09:01:11 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 23, 2018, 09:25:01 AM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/gas-station-owner-arrested-after-shooting-man-who-stole-36-worth-of-beer-from-lakeland-store
I really don't get why this guy is getting charged with anything.
I assume you're joking? :dunno:
Post by: mocat on July 23, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/gas-station-owner-arrested-after-shooting-man-who-stole-36-worth-of-beer-from-lakeland-store
I really don't get why this guy is getting charged with anything.
brown
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 23, 2018, 09:32:35 AM
:frown:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 23, 2018, 09:42:25 AM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/gas-station-owner-arrested-after-shooting-man-who-stole-36-worth-of-beer-from-lakeland-store
I really don't get why this guy is getting charged with anything.
brown
Yeah, that's all I could come up with, too.
Post by: 8manpick on July 23, 2018, 10:10:04 AM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/gas-station-owner-arrested-after-shooting-man-who-stole-36-worth-of-beer-from-lakeland-store
I really don't get why this guy is getting charged with anything.
brown
Yeah, that's all I could come up with, too.
:sdeek: I'm clearly getting trolled here, but you guys saw that video, right? Jesus... Seeing the clerk drop the gun on the ground as he was trying to run out of the store would have been pretty :lol: if he hadn't proceeded to go shoot some guy in the parking lot.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 23, 2018, 10:17:59 AM
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/region-polk/gas-station-owner-arrested-after-shooting-man-who-stole-36-worth-of-beer-from-lakeland-store
I really don't get why this guy is getting charged with anything.
brown
Yeah, that's all I could come up with, too.
:sdeek: I'm clearly getting trolled here, but you guys saw that video, right? Jesus... Seeing the clerk drop the gun on the ground as he was trying to run out of the store would have been pretty :lol: if he hadn't proceeded to go shoot some guy in the parking lot.
I don't see how this is any worse than all of the other cases in Florida where the shooter isn't charged with anything.
Post by: Spracne on July 23, 2018, 02:47:48 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 23, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
Deadly force is not appropriate merely to protect personal property, y'all.
If you can't even shoot somebody actively stealing from you, then what is the point of owning a gun?
Post by: Spracne on July 23, 2018, 03:00:18 PM
Post by: dal9 on July 23, 2018, 05:02:20 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 23, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
the poor bastard got killed for stealing natty light...not even bud light
It was a mercy killing, really.
Post by: Institutional Control on August 31, 2018, 08:20:26 PM
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Post by: mocat on September 12, 2018, 01:33:30 PM
https://abc13.com/man-shot-while-trying-to-rig-tomball-home-with-booby-traps/4214308/ (https://abc13.com/man-shot-while-trying-to-rig-tomball-home-with-booby-traps/4214308/)
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A man who was found shot outside of his Tomball home appeared to have been injured while trying to rig his home with burglar-deterring booby traps.
Post by: Institutional Control on September 19, 2018, 08:22:21 AM
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Post by: steve dave on September 20, 2018, 08:36:09 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 20, 2018, 08:39:42 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on September 20, 2018, 08:55:16 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1042449596545417216/video/1
Post by: wetwillie on October 12, 2018, 09:25:22 PM
My high school classmate picked the wrong house to Rob
Post by: 8manpick on October 13, 2018, 08:11:36 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2018, 11:36:48 AM
Post by: LickNeckey on October 13, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
I really don't have a problem with laws that allow you to kill someone who is actively committing a crime against you. I just don't like when the language allows you to be wrong and still kill someone because you are scared. You should have to be right.
like any crime?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 13, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
I really don't have a problem with laws that allow you to kill someone who is actively committing a crime against you. I just don't like when the language allows you to be wrong and still kill someone because you are scared. You should have to be right.
like any crime?
Any crime that puts you in danger, anyway. If someone is breaking into your house, I really don't care if you shoot him.
Post by: Institutional Control on November 29, 2018, 06:31:52 PM
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Post by: catastrophe on May 15, 2019, 04:37:42 PM
Post by: puniraptor on May 16, 2019, 12:12:12 AM
what about on a per capita basis? is any given child more likely to get shottodeath than a cop? (probably)
Post by: Institutional Control on May 31, 2019, 01:51:21 PM
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 31, 2019, 03:53:07 PM
Curious to know what % was gang related.
I think a decent % of police are injured by gang members. Good point
Post by: 8manpick on December 30, 2019, 07:40:50 AM
*didn't verify, just saw headline
Post by: Phil Titola on December 30, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Post by: waks on December 30, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
Post by: Phil Titola on December 30, 2019, 03:16:10 PM
I mean, let's give credit where credit is due, the security guard saved a lot of lives. That doesn't change the fact that a lot of our gun laws are still batshit crazy.
Totally agree. A well trained security guard did help. Sad anybody tries to claim this as a victory for toting a gun to all public locations.
Post by: catastrophe on December 30, 2019, 03:52:34 PM
Post by: steve dave on December 30, 2019, 03:57:19 PM
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Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2019, 12:44:06 AM
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1211387668149473281
Post by: wetwillie on December 31, 2019, 05:57:44 AM
Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 07:45:03 AM
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Post by: steve dave on December 31, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
Post by: Phil Titola on December 31, 2019, 09:05:38 AM
I read that something like 7 guns were drawn on the bad guy. Pretty lucky that the trained dude took care of it so quickly, those other gun people would have made it a huge mess
This is my fear. I've brought this up to law enforcement friends and they agree even though they are huge 2A peeps
Post by: chum1 on January 14, 2020, 07:42:14 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 25, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/olivianiland/4-year-old-shot-head-indiana-play-wrestling-with-dad
A 4-Year-Old Boy Died After Being Shot In The Head While Play Wrestling With His Dad
Olivia Niland
4-year-old Tyler Shaw died after being shot in the head while play wrestling with his dad.
A 4-year-old Indiana boy died Thursday after both he and his dad were shot in the head by the dad's gun while play-wrestling, authorities said.
The incident occurred Sunday just outside of Bloomington, where deputies from the Monroe County Sheriff's Office were called to the home of 36-year-old Tyler Shaw, RTV6 reported.
Shaw had been wrestling on a bed with his son, Tripp, while he had a handgun concealed in the small of his back, Fox 59 reported. The gun then fell and fired one shot, striking both Shaw and his son in the head.
The boy was taken to Riley Children's Hospital, where he later died. Shaw was taken to IU Health Bloomington Hospital and is expected to recover.
The Glock semi-automatic handgun was sent off for testing to determine why it had fired unexpectedly, the Bloomington Herald-Times reported. Calls to the Monroe County Sheriff's Office by BuzzFeed News were not immediately returned Saturday.
Shaw and his wife, Natalie, are also parents to two daughters, according to a GoFundMe established to help cover medical costs that has raised more than $18,000.
"It truly takes a village and I pray that the burden of medical debt will not cloud over their grief," the boy's aunt, Nikki Hughes, wrote on Facebook.
Hughes did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Indiana is an open carry state, with a permit. It was not immediately clear whether Shaw held a license for the gun or whether any criminal charges would be filed in connection with the shooting.
Post by: Institutional Control on January 27, 2020, 03:16:14 PM
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https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2020/01/27/sheriff-nc-man-kills-wife-children-family-dog-before-shooting-self/That's very disturbing. I have a young child and I literally feel ill thinking about how he could have lined them all up on the couch and done that. May they rest in peace.
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Post by: chum1 on January 31, 2020, 11:46:36 AM
How embarrassing would it be if you forgot you had a gun on you and actually walked through the metal detector
You'd have to walk back outside of the security area and then walk around the metal detector. Mortifying. How would you even get back out. Go back through the metal detector in the wrong direction? Walk around it the wrong direction? Just a nightmare situation.
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Post by: michigancat on March 04, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
https://twitter.com/thefigen/status/1235240963045502976?s=21.Kinda felt bad for laughing so hard
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Post by: mocat on March 05, 2020, 07:31:39 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 05, 2020, 09:31:23 AM
Post by: Katpappy on March 05, 2020, 09:39:18 AM
I’d like to ask what they are looking for with the metal detector
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The answer is oblivious; they're searching for knives and other sharp objects. :ROFL:
Post by: MakeItRain on May 05, 2020, 08:55:32 PM
It's always going to be the problem because people like you always want it to be the problem.
I make comments on here based on the beliefs and policies of individuals, not the color of their skin.
Give it try sometime.
There's lots of injustices in this world MIR covering all races, greeds, colors, sexes and orientation
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1257725176541741059
https://twitter.com/Georgia_NAACP/status/1257421772154175488
Post by: sys on May 05, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2020, 09:58:43 PM
It's always going to be the problem because people like you always want it to be the problem.
I make comments on here based on the beliefs and policies of individuals, not the color of their skin.
Give it try sometime.
There's lots of injustices in this world MIR covering all races, greeds, colors, sexes and orientation
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1257725176541741059
https://twitter.com/Georgia_NAACP/status/1257421772154175488
Those people need to be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. The SAG needs to step in if that DA doesn't do it, or the Feds.
We live on a planet of what? 7 billion people? I can assure you that was not the lone act of horrible violence against a human being perpetrated that day or the day before, or the day after and every day before that day or since that day.
Post by: michigancat on May 05, 2020, 10:00:14 PM
i made it all day without watching that video and i'm not going to eff that up now.I'd suggest most people watch it but you're already pretty anti-gun
Post by: MakeItRain on May 05, 2020, 10:01:57 PM
It's always going to be the problem because people like you always want it to be the problem.
I make comments on here based on the beliefs and policies of individuals, not the color of their skin.
Give it try sometime.
There's lots of injustices in this world MIR covering all races, greeds, colors, sexes and orientation
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1257725176541741059
https://twitter.com/Georgia_NAACP/status/1257421772154175488
Those people need to be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. The SAG needs to step in if that DA doesn't do it, or the Feds.
We live on a planet of what? 7 billion people? I can assure you that was not the lone act of horrible violence against a human being perpetrated that day or the day before, or the day after and every day before that day or since that day.
You tried to dance around the point, didn't though.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
It's always going to be the problem because people like you always want it to be the problem.
I make comments on here based on the beliefs and policies of individuals, not the color of their skin.
Give it try sometime.
There's lots of injustices in this world MIR covering all races, greeds, colors, sexes and orientation
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1257725176541741059
https://twitter.com/Georgia_NAACP/status/1257421772154175488
Those people need to be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. The SAG needs to step in if that DA doesn't do it, or the Feds.
We live on a planet of what? 7 billion people? I can assure you that was not the lone act of horrible violence against a human being perpetrated that day or the day before, or the day after and every day before that day or since that day.
You tried to dance around the point, didn't though.
Translation: I'm not going to play MIR's Bullshit games and he (as usual) doesn't like it.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 05, 2020, 10:22:16 PM
Mr. Arbery, a 25-year-old black man, was chased by armed white residents of a South Georgia neighborhood. He was shot dead during a confrontation.
May 5, 2020, 4:01 p.m. ET
ATLANTA — In more typical times, the shooting death of an unarmed black man by a white man would have drawn widespread attention. Over the years, similar cases have shaken communities and spurred nationwide social justice protests.
But with much of the nation on lockdown because of the coronavirus, and the possibilities for mass protests constrained, friends and family members of the black man who was killed, Ahmaud Arbery, said they worried that his death would go unnoticed and that no one would be held to account.
In recent days, Mr. Arbery’s death has raised questions about racial profiling, Georgia’s self-defense laws and the wisdom of citizen policing. Two prosecutors have recused themselves, citing conflicts of interest, and the case is now being looked at with fresh eyes by a third prosecutor in a county about an hour’s drive away.
This is what we know — and don’t know — about the case:
Who was Ahmaud Arbery?
Mr. Arbery, 25, was a former high school football standout who was living with his mother in coastal Glynn County, Ga., outside of the small city of Brunswick, Ga. He was shot dead in a suburban neighborhood called Satilla Shores. Friends and family said he liked to stay in good shape, and he was often seen jogging in and around his neighborhood.
On Sunday, Feb. 23, shortly after 1 p.m., he was killed in a neighborhood a short jog from his home after being confronted by a white man and his son.
How was he killed?
Mr. Arbery was running in the Satilla Shores neighborhood when a man standing in his front yard saw him go by. The man, Gregory McMichael, 64, thought Mr. Arbery looked like a man suspected of several break-ins in the area and called to his son, Travis McMichael, 34.
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According to a police report, the men grabbed a .357 magnum and a shotgun, got into a pickup truck and chased Mr. Arbery, trying unsuccessfully to cut him off. A third man was also involved in the pursuit, according to the police report and other documents.
Police report detailing the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery
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In a recording of a 911 call, which appears to have been made moments before the chase began, a neighbor told a dispatcher that a black man was inside a house that was under construction on the McMichaels’ block.
During the chase, the McMichaels yelled, “Stop, stop, we want to talk to you,” according to Gregory McMichael’s account in the police report. They then pulled up to Mr. Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun.
“[Gregory] McMichael stated the unidentified male began to violently attack Travis and the two men then started fighting over the shotgun at which point Travis fired a shot and then a second later there was a second shot,” the report states.
The police report and other documents obtained by The New York Times do not indicate that Mr. Arbery was armed.
Gregory McMichael is a former Glynn County police officer and a former investigator with the local district attorney’s office who retired last May. Neither he nor his son has been arrested or charged.
Why has no one been arrested?
Shortly after the shooting, the prosecutor for the Brunswick judicial district recused herself because Gregory McMichael had worked in her office.
The case was sent to George E. Barnhill, the district attorney in Waycross, Ga., who eventually recused himself from the case after Mr. Arbery’s mother argued that he had a conflict because his son also works for the Brunswick district attorney.
But before he relinquished the case, Mr. Barnhill argued in a letter obtained by The Times that there was not sufficient probable cause to arrest Mr. Arbery’s pursuers. In the letter, Mr. Barnhill noted that the McMichaels were legally carrying their firearms under Georgia’s open carry law. He said the pursuers were within their rights to pursue what he called “a burglary suspect,” and cited a state law that states, “A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.”
Mr. Barnhill also argued that if Mr. Arbery attacked Travis McMichael, Mr. McMichael was “allowed to use deadly force to protect himself” under Georgia law.
What do Mr. Arbery’s defenders say?
Mr. Barnhill wrote, in his letter, that Mr. Arbery had mental health issues, though he does not elaborate on this point, and that he had prior convictions. Court records show that Mr. Arbery was convicted of shoplifting and of violating probation in 2018. Five years earlier, according to The Brunswick News, he was indicted on charges that he took a handgun to a high school basketball game.
Those details, Mr. Barnhill argued, “help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack an armed man.”
Mr. Arbery’s defenders believe he was probably jogging through the neighborhood for exercise. Michael J. Moore, an Atlanta lawyer who formerly served as a U.S. attorney in Georgia, reviewed Mr. Barnhill’s letter to the Glynn County Police Department, as well as the initial police report, at the request of The Times. In an email, Mr. Moore called Mr. Barnhill’s opinion “flawed.”
In his view, Mr. Moore said, the McMichaels appeared to be the aggressors in the confrontation, and such aggressors were not justified in using force under Georgia’s self-defense laws. “The law does not allow a group of people to form an armed posse and chase down an unarmed person who they believe might have possibly been the perpetrator of a past crime,” Mr. Moore wrote.
What happens next?
After Mr. Barnhill recused himself, the state attorney general’s office assigned the case to a third prosecutor, Tom Durden, who is based in Hinesville, Ga. Mr. Durden must now decide whether to present the case to a grand jury.
In a recent interview with The Times, Mr. Durden said he would be looking at the case with fresh eyes. “We don’t know anything about the case,” he said. “We don’t have any preconceived idea about it.”
Post by: MakeItRain on May 05, 2020, 10:26:35 PM
It's always going to be the problem because people like you always want it to be the problem.
I make comments on here based on the beliefs and policies of individuals, not the color of their skin.
Give it try sometime.
There's lots of injustices in this world MIR covering all races, greeds, colors, sexes and orientation
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1257725176541741059
https://twitter.com/Georgia_NAACP/status/1257421772154175488
Those people need to be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. The SAG needs to step in if that DA doesn't do it, or the Feds.
We live on a planet of what? 7 billion people? I can assure you that was not the lone act of horrible violence against a human being perpetrated that day or the day before, or the day after and every day before that day or since that day.
You tried to dance around the point, didn't though.
Translation: I'm not going to play MIR's Bullshit games and he (as usual) doesn't like it.
There is no scenario in which two persons of color can pull over their vehicle, shoot a white jogger with a shotgun, report it, and avoid immediately arrested because they tell the police that the white boy fits the description of someone breaking into houses, which incidentally were never reported to the police.
You know this, I know that you know it, and everyone reading this does too. Your colorblind society is a rough ridin' joke.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2020, 10:35:01 PM
It's always going to be the problem because people like you always want it to be the problem.
I make comments on here based on the beliefs and policies of individuals, not the color of their skin.
Give it try sometime.
There's lots of injustices in this world MIR covering all races, greeds, colors, sexes and orientation
https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1257725176541741059
https://twitter.com/Georgia_NAACP/status/1257421772154175488
Those people need to be arrested and convicted to the fullest extent of the law. The SAG needs to step in if that DA doesn't do it, or the Feds.
We live on a planet of what? 7 billion people? I can assure you that was not the lone act of horrible violence against a human being perpetrated that day or the day before, or the day after and every day before that day or since that day.
You tried to dance around the point, didn't though.
Translation: I'm not going to play MIR's Bullshit games and he (as usual) doesn't like it.
There is no scenario in which two persons of color can pull over their vehicle, shoot a white jogger with a shotgun, report it, and avoid immediately arrested because they tell the police that the white boy fits the description of someone breaking into houses, which incidentally were never reported to the police.
You know this, I know that you know it, and everyone reading this does too. Your colorblind society is a rough ridin' joke.
It's good to know that you're so up to speed on every violent crime committed in the United States.
I don't recall saying there was color blind society either, but you keep tossing those straw men out there . . . as usual.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 05, 2020, 10:41:52 PM
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There is no scenario in which two persons of color can pull over their vehicle, shoot a white jogger with a shotgun, report it, and avoid immediately arrested because they tell the police that the white boy fits the description of someone breaking into houses, which incidentally were never reported to the police.
It’s a simple yes or no answer, don’t bother with your typical mealymouthed horseshit where you avoid answering a straightforward question by instead posing a bunch of bogus rhetorical questions. Just answer the question yes or no. Is MIR right about what I quoted above?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2020, 10:44:11 PM
Dax, do you at least admit that MIR is right when he said this?QuoteThere is no scenario in which two persons of color can pull over their vehicle, shoot a white jogger with a shotgun, report it, and avoid immediately arrested because they tell the police that the white boy fits the description of someone breaking into houses, which incidentally were never reported to the police.
It’s a simple yes or no answer, don’t bother with your typical mealymouthed horseshit where you avoid answering a straightforward question by instead posing a bunch of bogus rhetorical questions. Just answer the question yes or no. Is MIR right about what I quoted above?
Here comes Stalker Skinny the Stockholm Syndrome Laden Gimp in the box trying to pile on.
No surprise there.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 05, 2020, 10:48:29 PM
Dax, do you at least admit that MIR is right when he said this?QuoteThere is no scenario in which two persons of color can pull over their vehicle, shoot a white jogger with a shotgun, report it, and avoid immediately arrested because they tell the police that the white boy fits the description of someone breaking into houses, which incidentally were never reported to the police.
It’s a simple yes or no answer, don’t bother with your typical mealymouthed horseshit where you avoid answering a straightforward question by instead posing a bunch of bogus rhetorical questions. Just answer the question yes or no. Is MIR right about what I quoted above?
Here comes Stalker Skinny the Stockholm Syndrome Laden Gimp in the box trying to pile on.
No surprise there.
Another sweet answer from dax!
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 05, 2020, 10:55:47 PM
Then do whatever someone with full admin access would do.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 05, 2020, 11:02:50 PM
Post by: nicname on May 05, 2020, 11:07:17 PM
Now we just need Chin to make it a Trifecta of Stalker Boys.
Why not just answer the question directly and succinctly, man?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 05, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
Now we just need Chin to make it a Trifecta of Stalker Boys.
Why not just answer the question directly and succinctly, man?
Answer with a definitive yes or no on a purely hypothetical question? No thanks.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 06, 2020, 10:10:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2020, 10:13:12 AM
You and I both know it’s really not hypothetical at all to anyone who follows news regularly.
Why are 98% of your posts in this forum in response to me SkinnyStalker?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 06, 2020, 07:41:22 PM
Post by: steve dave on May 06, 2020, 08:22:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1258204057778429953
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1258208183916658694
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 06, 2020, 09:11:27 PM
SMDH
Sad
Post by: steve dave on May 07, 2020, 07:32:49 PM
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Post by: Spracne on May 07, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 08:04:13 PM
Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Post by: michigancat on May 07, 2020, 08:20:17 PM
Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 08:25:44 PM
just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
Post by: nicname on May 07, 2020, 10:05:18 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
Wasn't the shooter an ex-cop, or maybe the son was the shooter and the dad/other racist an ex-cop?why the racist label?
Post by: nicname on May 07, 2020, 10:48:52 PM
Wasn't the shooter an ex-cop, or maybe the son was the shooter and the dad/other racist an ex-cop?why the racist label?
My assumption.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 10:58:44 PM
just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 10:58:54 PM
in this instance, i agree. it's certainly looks like some dudes playing vigilante, there's a video showing it. i still think people should be slower passing judgment. personally, i got burned by the michael brown case. i'd probably be a more woke person if i hadn't been lied to so much about what happened there. it was kind of painful and could be avoided if social and professional media didn't urge us to scream "racist".Wasn't the shooter an ex-cop, or maybe the son was the shooter and the dad/other racist an ex-cop?why the racist label?
My assumption.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:05:04 PM
in this instance, i agree. it's certainly looks like some dudes playing vigilante, there's a video showing it. i still think people should be slower passing judgment. personally, i got burned by the michael brown case. i'd probably be a more woke person if i hadn't been lied to so much about what happened there. it was kind of painful and could be avoided if social and professional media didn't urge us to scream "racist".Wasn't the shooter an ex-cop, or maybe the son was the shooter and the dad/other racist an ex-cop?why the racist label?
My assumption.
Because the Mike Brown story still has some ambiguity you can take any black guy getting shot on camera at face value? You seem to be giving these guys more grace than they gave themselves when they gave their report. Did you just see the video and choose not to read anything else about this? The shooters account is public, you don't have to use the media as a shield for your skepticism.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:06:26 PM
idk man, we'll see.just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:08:34 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 07, 2020, 11:11:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:14:16 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:15:21 PM
Stand your ground laws really need to be changed so that you actually need to be standing your ground. The idea of pursuing an unarmed man and then shooting him in self defense is ludicrous, regardless of any other facts.very confident that it's against the law to pursue someone in defense of someone else's property and apply lethal force. that has nothing to do with stand your ground law.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:17:10 PM
Stand your ground laws really need to be changed so that you actually need to be standing your ground. The idea of pursuing an unarmed man and then shooting him in self defense is ludicrous, regardless of any other facts.
This isn't even a stand your ground case, they said they were trying to make a citizen's arrest. You can't claim to be protecting yourself when you admit to being the aggressor. I hold no illusions that these three men, all three of them should be charged, not just the father/son, will spend another day in jail after they make their $25,000 bond.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 07, 2020, 11:21:39 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:24:27 PM
What makes this different from George Zimmerman?George looks a lot better than these guys. You can hardly say that you had to make a citizen's arrest if you have time to record someone.
Post by: cfbandyman on May 07, 2020, 11:27:30 PM
Stand your ground laws really need to be changed so that you actually need to be standing your ground. The idea of pursuing an unarmed man and then shooting him in self defense is ludicrous, regardless of any other facts.
Absolutely. If by your actions you instigate the event that is on you, not the other way around (which IDK how the law is necessarily written but that would seem to be the intent, that the action has to be done upon you). Obviously that's not how this went down, but Ahmaud in this exact situation would have had the right to stand his ground, he was just minding his own business and then was being pursued. The guy pursuing has zero right to self defense/stand your ground laws even if Ahmaud strikes back because he was the one causing the situation to happen.
Maybe those racist assholes assumed the best self defense was a self offense.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
What makes this different from George Zimmerman?
In actuality, nothing. Legally the Florida slimeball immediately told the police he was threatened, even though he initiated the engagement. The Georgia racists initiated the attack, never stated they were threatened, and we see Ahmaud Arbery on camera trying to get away from them and they didn't let him.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:33:05 PM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:44:25 PM
A white girl got killed in my neighborhood while jogging last year. Was that a race motivated murder? Are you about to equivocate for that racist?just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
Post by: nicname on May 07, 2020, 11:46:44 PM
A white girl got killed in my neighborhood while jogging last year. Was that a race motivated murder? Are you about to equivocate for that racist?just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
Difference is, a lot of people's initial thought prob wasn't, "well, what was she doing? what prompted dude to kill her," which is definitely the case most times black dudes are killed by cops... or in this case ex-cops and their sons.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:47:22 PM
The DA said he had some mental health issues or something? It's sad that Arbery didn't just run away from them or stop.
What the eff? What's happening here, am I being punked?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 07, 2020, 11:48:15 PM
A white girl got killed in my neighborhood while jogging last year. Was that a race motivated murder? Are you about to equivocate for that racist?just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
What were the circumstances of her death, what was the result for the perp?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:53:24 PM
He'd probably still be alive and maybe have a great civil suit if he'd just been like wtf guysThe DA said he had some mental health issues or something? It's sad that Arbery didn't just run away from them or stop.
What the eff? What's happening here, am I being punked?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 07, 2020, 11:56:12 PM
she was jogging around twilight and got stabbed in the jugular, bled around for a bit but the local business were already closed and she died. perp got 30 yearsA white girl got killed in my neighborhood while jogging last year. Was that a race motivated murder? Are you about to equivocate for that racist?just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
What were the circumstances of her death, what was the result for the perp?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 08, 2020, 12:00:05 AM
black dudes commit almost 60% of gun homicides and are 30% of the people killed by cops. the 30% number is probably deflated by the number of white dudes who commit suicide by cop but those numbers still cause a rational person to realize that there's less racist policing than the media would have you believe.A white girl got killed in my neighborhood while jogging last year. Was that a race motivated murder? Are you about to equivocate for that racist?just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
Difference is, a lot of people's initial thought prob wasn't, "well, what was she doing? what prompted dude to kill her," which is definitely the case most times black dudes are killed by cops... or in this case ex-cops and their sons.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 12:01:09 AM
He'd probably still be alive and maybe have a great civil suit if he'd just been like wtf guysThe DA said he had some mental health issues or something? It's sad that Arbery didn't just run away from them or stop.
What the eff? What's happening here, am I being punked?
Do you realize he was running and they pulled their truck in front of him and got out of the truck with a rough ridin' shotgun? He ran around the truck and that didn't stop your homeboys from not leaving him the eff alone. Is he supposed to keep running and just get shot in the back?
You are stating that he wasn't elusive enough when running on the white man's road. He'd still be alive if the klan decided to just leave him the eff alone. If they thought he was stealing, call the rough ridin' cops. You white boys were really tripping about other people wanting basic rough ridin' rights.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 12:03:52 AM
she was jogging around twilight and got stabbed in the jugular, bled around for a bit but the local business were already closed and she died. perp got 30 yearsA white girl got killed in my neighborhood while jogging last year. Was that a race motivated murder? Are you about to equivocate for that racist?just a hunch based on the way it's been handled and reported.Good. At first I thought it was a police dash cam and the shooter was an officer and was thinking "that seems unnecessary, but also, don't fight a cop with a gun." When I found out the shooter was just some rando? Yeah, that needs to be tried by the system.going to guess that arbery wasn't a jogger and that this will be a manslaughter
Why do you guess that?
What exactly are you talking about? It's been handled and reported that he was jogging. Why the eff else would anyone be running down the street in the middle of the day in a t-shirt, shorts, running shoes, and nothing else on his person. The guys who shot him didn't even tell the police that they saw him doing anything wrong.
eff. We can't even go jogging without white people suspecting we're up to no good. Already equivocating for these racists.
What were the circumstances of her death, what was the result for the perp?
You gonna give me a name, city, something so that I can find the facts of this case and give you an answer? If you just want me to address this very obvious false equivalency without knowing what happened, I certainly can, but you won't like my answer.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 08, 2020, 12:05:05 AM
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 12:05:20 AM
He'd probably still be alive and maybe have a great civil suit if he'd just been like wtf guysThe DA said he had some mental health issues or something? It's sad that Arbery didn't just run away from them or stop.
What the eff? What's happening here, am I being punked?
Do you realize he was running and they pulled their truck in front of him and got out of the truck with a rough ridin' shotgun? He ran around the truck and that didn't stop your homeboys from not leaving him the eff alone. Is he supposed to keep running and just get shot in the back?
You are stating that he wasn't elusive enough when running on the white man's road. He'd still be alive if the klan decided to just leave him the eff alone. If they thought he was stealing, call the rough ridin' cops. You white boys were really tripping about other people wanting basic rough ridin' rights.
Nah, man. He'd still be alive if he didn't resist the citizen's arrest and let these two doods cuff him, or twine him, or however they planned to detain him.
Post by: Spracne on May 08, 2020, 12:06:56 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 08, 2020, 12:10:20 AM
What the hell has been going on lately?i'm sorry.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 12:17:29 AM
He'd probably still be alive and maybe have a great civil suit if he'd just been like wtf guysThe DA said he had some mental health issues or something? It's sad that Arbery didn't just run away from them or stop.
What the eff? What's happening here, am I being punked?
Do you realize he was running and they pulled their truck in front of him and got out of the truck with a rough ridin' shotgun? He ran around the truck and that didn't stop your homeboys from not leaving him the eff alone. Is he supposed to keep running and just get shot in the back?
You are stating that he wasn't elusive enough when running on the white man's road. He'd still be alive if the klan decided to just leave him the eff alone. If they thought he was stealing, call the rough ridin' cops. You white boys were really tripping about other people wanting basic rough ridin' rights.
Nah, man. He'd still be alive if he didn't resist the citizen's arrest and let these two doods cuff him, or twine him, or however they planned to detain him.
There's no evidence they planned to do any of that? Was he going to cuff him with the shotgun he had in his hand? Those take two hands to operate.
WHAT THE eff IS HAPPENING IN HERE?
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 12:23:13 AM
He'd probably still be alive and maybe have a great civil suit if he'd just been like wtf guysThe DA said he had some mental health issues or something? It's sad that Arbery didn't just run away from them or stop.
What the eff? What's happening here, am I being punked?
Do you realize he was running and they pulled their truck in front of him and got out of the truck with a rough ridin' shotgun? He ran around the truck and that didn't stop your homeboys from not leaving him the eff alone. Is he supposed to keep running and just get shot in the back?
You are stating that he wasn't elusive enough when running on the white man's road. He'd still be alive if the klan decided to just leave him the eff alone. If they thought he was stealing, call the rough ridin' cops. You white boys were really tripping about other people wanting basic rough ridin' rights.
Nah, man. He'd still be alive if he didn't resist the citizen's arrest and let these two doods cuff him, or twine him, or however they planned to detain him.
There's no evidence they planned to do any of that? Was he going to cuff him with the shotgun he had in his hand? Those take two hands to operate.
WHAT THE eff IS HAPPENING IN HERE?
I'm pretty sure they weren't.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 12:29:37 AM
eff me man, goodnight.
Post by: Spracne on May 08, 2020, 12:31:13 AM
He'd still be alive if he just let two strange white men take him to wherever to do whatever.
eff me man, goodnight.
I *think* nic's comment was satire and that he agrees with you, but I've been surprised a lot recently.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 12:32:34 AM
He'd still be alive if he just let two strange white men take him to wherever to do whatever.
eff me man, goodnight.
I *think* nic's comment was satire and that he agrees with you, but I've been surprised a lot recently.
I took that in the context with his post in the MAGA thread. I'm just going to dip out.
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 12:37:41 AM
He'd still be alive if he just let two strange white men take him to wherever to do whatever.
eff me man, goodnight.
I *think* nic's comment was satire and that he agrees with you, but I've been surprised a lot recently.
Duh
Post by: michigancat on May 08, 2020, 12:53:20 AM
Post by: waks on May 08, 2020, 01:21:49 AM
Personally, I don't think he deserved to be murdered even if he'd robbed every house in the neighborhood. Not even by a cop!:bball:
Post by: steve dave on May 08, 2020, 06:40:05 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 08, 2020, 07:33:37 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 08, 2020, 07:53:57 AM
Personally, I don't think he deserved to be murdered even if he'd robbed every house in the neighborhood. Not even by a cop!
This
Post by: michigancat on May 08, 2020, 08:09:07 AM
I agree with bubs that they will probably get manslaughterI think they'll be acquitted or maybe manslaughter (whatever the lightest would be). Not because I assume the victim is a robber, but because America is racist and really loves guns and is kind of dumb overall.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on May 08, 2020, 08:42:01 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 08, 2020, 08:44:15 AM
Who actually shot him? The father or the son?
Lol there will be no justice here.
https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/status/1258634931607089154
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 08, 2020, 08:51:29 AM
He'd still be alive if he just let two strange white men take him to wherever to do whatever.
eff me man, goodnight.
I *think* nic's comment was satire and that he agrees with you, but I've been surprised a lot recently.
Duh
Black people should take a note from Larry David and start carrying MAGA caps around to get them out of situations like this.
Post by: Institutional Control on May 08, 2020, 08:55:06 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 09:17:32 AM
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1258747181680467969?s=20
White supremacy, eff what this country has devolved into
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 09:23:22 AM
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 09:24:50 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 09:36:08 AM
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
Trump From article
Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Thursday (May 7),(Trump) offered condolences to Arbery's family. "My heart goes out to the parents and to the loved ones of the young gentleman. It's a very sad thing."
Trump said he was expecting a full report on what happened but seemed to imply the tape doesn't tell the whole story. "If you saw, things went off tape and then back on tape. But it was a troubling, I mean to anyone that watched it, certainly it was a disturbing or troubling video. No question about that,” he said.
As far as what comes next in the case, Trump said he trusts those handling the case. "They have very good law enforcement in the state of Georgia," he said, "and I am sure they are going to come up with exactly what happened."
Biden from same article:
Former vice president and current Democratic candidate for president Joe Biden tweeted about Arbery's murder on Tuesday, shortly after video of the killing was released. "The video is clear: Ahmaud Arbery was killed in cold blood. My heart goes out to his family, who deserve justice and deserve it now. It is time for a swift, full, and transparent investigation into his murder," he wrote.
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. Why does Biden's statement seem insincere?
I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/07/trump-s-response-to-arbery-shooting.html
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Uh, that's exactly what trump did and his response is in line with exactly other statements he's made of this nature, real both sides have good people type crap. I don't know what you guys expected him to say that he gets even a sliver of credit for leading his statement with essentially "well he probably did something, what else would cause those men to do that."
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 09:55:17 AM
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/07/trump-s-response-to-arbery-shooting.html
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Uh, that's exactly what trump did and his response is in line with exactly other statements he's made of this nature, real both sides have good people type crap. I don't know what you guys expected him to say that he gets even a sliver of credit for leading his statement with essentially "well he probably did something, what else would cause those men to do that."
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Trump or any politician type, but I think I'd rather hear it from you, cuz you prob have better perspective.
Post by: chum1 on May 08, 2020, 09:58:53 AM
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 10:02:04 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
thanks luke
Post by: ChiComCat on May 08, 2020, 10:04:38 AM
Post by: chum1 on May 08, 2020, 10:05:25 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
thanks luke
Lol. Sorry. I skim long posts. When I don't skip them.
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
thanks luke
Lol. Sorry. I skim long posts. When I don't skip them.
nbd
Post by: Spracne on May 08, 2020, 10:40:52 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
I'm sure I'll get some blowback from this, but whatever. I don't really like the idea of the President (any President) commenting publicly on active criminal cases. Makes it harder for the justice system to serve its purpose.
Post by: michigancat on May 08, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
I'm sure I'll get some blowback from this, but whatever. I don't really like the idea of the President (any President) commenting publicly on active criminal cases. Makes it harder for the justice system to serve its purpose.
Yeah it's almost like the President has powers beyond what is constitutionally defined. huh.
But yeah, a simple "anytime someone is killed, it's tragic, no further comment" seems entirely reasonable.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 10:47:06 AM
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/07/trump-s-response-to-arbery-shooting.html
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Uh, that's exactly what trump did and his response is in line with exactly other statements he's made of this nature, real both sides have good people type crap. I don't know what you guys expected him to say that he gets even a sliver of credit for leading his statement with essentially "well he probably did something, what else would cause those men to do that."
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Trump or any politician type, but I think I'd rather hear it from you, cuz you prob have better perspective.
Honestly I'd be fine with a terse answer. While I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, I think Trump and Biden's opinions come with broader consequences. They should only offer an opinion if asked, and when they do it should be something to the effect of "my heart goes out to the family of Ahmaud Arbury, his life was cut far too short..." trump could/should add at the end, "the department of justice will be available to assist if called upon." Biden could just finish with something to the effect of "I trust the investigation into his death will be handled properly and justice will be doled out if the investigation deems it necessary."
Both Biden and Trump have dubious records on gun violence and social justice, so their words amount to clout chasing and they don't mean anything to me.
Remember when white people lost their rough ridin' minds when Obama said the Cambridge police acted stupidly for arresting Henry Louis Gates for "breaking into" his own house? LOL
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/07/trump-s-response-to-arbery-shooting.html
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Uh, that's exactly what trump did and his response is in line with exactly other statements he's made of this nature, real both sides have good people type crap. I don't know what you guys expected him to say that he gets even a sliver of credit for leading his statement with essentially "well he probably did something, what else would cause those men to do that."
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Trump or any politician type, but I think I'd rather hear it from you, cuz you prob have better perspective.
Honestly I'd be fine with a terse answer. While I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, I think Trump and Biden's opinions come with broader consequences. They should only offer an opinion if asked, and when they do it should be something to the effect of "my heart goes out to the family of Ahmaud Arbury, his life was cut far too short..." trump could/should add at the end, "the department of justice will be available to assist if called upon." Biden could just finish with something to the effect of "I trust the investigation into his death will be handled properly and justice will be doled out if the investigation deems it necessary."
Both Biden and Trump have dubious records on gun violence and social justice, so their words amount to clout chasing and they don't mean anything to me.
Remember when white people lost their rough ridin' minds when Obama said the Cambridge police acted stupidly for arresting Henry Louis Gates for "breaking into" his own house? LOL
Thanks man. I def feel like Biden's crap is clout chasing. It reminded me of the dem debates when all the candidates were one-upping each other about how much black people liked them. it was really weird and phony AF. Trump's comments are always weird to me. It's almost like he knows what's up, but he doesn't want to piss off the MAGAs by being anti cop.
Edit: I kinda remember the Gates uproar. I imagine it was mostly just partisan con/lib stuff, but def a lot of the conservatives all pissed off were racially motivated as well.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 11:16:44 AM
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
I'm sure I'll get some blowback from this, but whatever. I don't really like the idea of the President (any President) commenting publicly on active criminal cases. Makes it harder for the justice system to serve its purpose.
Yeah it's almost like the President has powers beyond what is constitutionally defined. huh.
But yeah, a simple "anytime someone is killed, it's tragic, no further comment" seems entirely reasonable.
I dunno man. I feel like a loud minority, would be pissed at the lack of a stand. I also know that the cable news outlets on either side would feed into the hysteria.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 08, 2020, 11:21:15 AM
Pretty much what I said a few days ago.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 11:25:31 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
I'm sure I'll get some blowback from this, but whatever. I don't really like the idea of the President (any President) commenting publicly on active criminal cases. Makes it harder for the justice system to serve its purpose.
Yeah it's almost like the President has powers beyond what is constitutionally defined. huh.
But yeah, a simple "anytime someone is killed, it's tragic, no further comment" seems entirely reasonable.
I dunno man. I feel like a loud minority, would be pissed at the lack of a stand. I also know that the cable news outlets on either side would feed into the hysteria.
You actually don't know the cable news outlets would do that. People are going to be pissed either way, that's not how you lead. I'm guessing most people don't care what trump has to say about this. His supporters would be perfectly fine with him saying nothing and his detractors don't trust him to not both sides it up, which is precisely what he did.
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 11:35:22 AM
You think trump "knows what's up?" Read up on trump and the central park five. He doesn't know what's up about anything, he's rough ridin' crazy and contradicts himself nearly every time he opens his mouth.
Oh crap, yeah. I watched the whole doc. and remember reading about it in high school. I had a buddy that was way into the central park 5 and the West Memphis 3. I rescind.
Post by: nicname on May 08, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
Here's Biden's response.
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065
I'm sure I'll get some blowback from this, but whatever. I don't really like the idea of the President (any President) commenting publicly on active criminal cases. Makes it harder for the justice system to serve its purpose.
Yeah it's almost like the President has powers beyond what is constitutionally defined. huh.
But yeah, a simple "anytime someone is killed, it's tragic, no further comment" seems entirely reasonable.
I dunno man. I feel like a loud minority, would be pissed at the lack of a stand. I also know that the cable news outlets on either side would feed into the hysteria.
You actually don't know the cable news outlets would do that. People are going to be pissed either way, that's not how you lead. I'm guessing most people don't care what trump has to say about this. His supporters would be perfectly fine with him saying nothing and his detractors don't trust him to not both sides it up, which is precisely what he did.
You're right. I don't know. But I believe they do. I did create a lot of news shows during the 2016 race and controversy is good for ratings.
Post by: steve dave on May 08, 2020, 11:46:45 AM
Good news, to paraphrase my guy, former prosecutor and Congress Person Trey Gowdy: The Grand Jury is (was) a farce, arrest (now arrested), charge (now charged), prosecute, the defendants can make their case in front of a jury of their peers in criminal court.Wait, is Trey Gowdy irl your guy?
Pretty much what I said a few days ago.
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Post by: star seed 7 on May 08, 2020, 12:08:44 PM
Good news, to paraphrase my guy, former prosecutor and Congress Person Trey Gowdy: The Grand Jury is (was) a farce, arrest (now arrested), charge (now charged), prosecute, the defendants can make their case in front of a jury of their peers in criminal court.Wait, is Trey Gowdy irl your guy?
Pretty much what I said a few days ago.
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Irl guffaw when I read that. Totally on brand to be dax's guy lol
Post by: star seed 7 on May 08, 2020, 12:10:16 PM
Post by: DQ12 on May 08, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
Also my guy Dan Carlin is absolutely destroying people on Twitter about rushing to defend these murderersDan's explanation of the Rodney King event/response was a significant point in my intellectual progression.
Post by: waks on May 08, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: michigancat on May 08, 2020, 01:13:29 PM
Has anybody posted or read this (https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6916-george-barnhill-letter-to-glyn/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf) yet? It's the second prosecutor's explanation for why he didn't think the McMichaels should be charged. It's :sdeek:
wow he says Arbery may have actually fired the weapon himself. this is after leading off with "the mom thinks I'm biased, not sure why"
Post by: star seed 7 on May 08, 2020, 01:14:53 PM
Also my guy Dan Carlin is absolutely destroying people on Twitter about rushing to defend these murderersDan's explanation of the Rodney King event/response was a significant point in my intellectual progression.
I'm not familiar with it, is it audio or written?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 08, 2020, 01:47:16 PM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on May 08, 2020, 01:53:34 PM
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/07/trump-s-response-to-arbery-shooting.html
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Uh, that's exactly what trump did and his response is in line with exactly other statements he's made of this nature, real both sides have good people type crap. I don't know what you guys expected him to say that he gets even a sliver of credit for leading his statement with essentially "well he probably did something, what else would cause those men to do that."
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Trump or any politician type, but I think I'd rather hear it from you, cuz you prob have better perspective.
Honestly I'd be fine with a terse answer. While I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, I think Trump and Biden's opinions come with broader consequences. They should only offer an opinion if asked, and when they do it should be something to the effect of "my heart goes out to the family of Ahmaud Arbury, his life was cut far too short..." trump could/should add at the end, "the department of justice will be available to assist if called upon." Biden could just finish with something to the effect of "I trust the investigation into his death will be handled properly and justice will be doled out if the investigation deems it necessary."
Both Biden and Trump have dubious records on gun violence and social justice, so their words amount to clout chasing and they don't mean anything to me.
Remember when white people lost their rough ridin' minds when Obama said the Cambridge police acted stupidly for arresting Henry Louis Gates for "breaking into" his own house? LOL
Thanks man. I def feel like Biden's crap is clout chasing. It reminded me of the dem debates when all the candidates were one-upping each other about how much black people liked them. it was really weird and phony AF. Trump's comments are always weird to me. It's almost like he knows what's up, but he doesn't want to piss off the MAGAs by being anti cop.
Edit: I kinda remember the Gates uproar. I imagine it was mostly just partisan con/lib stuff, but def a lot of the conservatives all pissed off were racially motivated as well.
I don't see Biden's comments as insincere, but of course that's open to everyone's individual interpretation. For Biden's many faults, empathy for others who have experienced personal tragedy isn't really one of them. In fact a lot of people (myself included) think his biggest strength is the person he turns into when he's listening to a family has experienced loss.
Post by: steve dave on May 08, 2020, 01:58:39 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 08, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
Good news, to paraphrase my guy, former prosecutor and Congress Person Trey Gowdy: The Grand Jury is (was) a farce, arrest (now arrested), charge (now charged), prosecute, the defendants can make their case in front of a jury of their peers in criminal court.Wait, is Trey Gowdy irl your guy?
Pretty much what I said a few days ago.
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Of course you hate him, SD
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 08, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Good news, to paraphrase my guy, former prosecutor and Congress Person Trey Gowdy: The Grand Jury is (was) a farce, arrest (now arrested), charge (now charged), prosecute, the defendants can make their case in front of a jury of their peers in criminal court.Wait, is Trey Gowdy irl your guy?
Pretty much what I said a few days ago.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Irl guffaw when I read that. Totally on brand to be dax's guy lol
I feel the same way about every Twitter Rando you guys find and pretty much the entirety of Useful Idiot Nation "leadership" which is part and parcel to the most corrupt political party on the planet aka The DNC.
Post by: star seed 7 on May 08, 2020, 02:05:27 PM
Post by: sys on May 08, 2020, 04:28:33 PM
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Trump or any politician type.
biden hit the mark pretty perfectly.
Post by: cfbandyman on May 08, 2020, 06:00:27 PM
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Drumpf or any politician type.
biden hit the mark pretty perfectly.
He did, and I agree with the above that despite other faults, Biden is BITB at being empathetic to people who have experienced tragedy (after all he's had plenty of that in his personal life).
I do agree with Spracs though about commenting about a case from his position (I think about Nixon commenting on Marilyn Manson and Manson subsequently taking that headline literally into court) as it makes it murky, but eventually you do have to a) make a stand which I think many people wary of Biden think he's incapable/unwilling to do and b) the justice system has to be trusted to pick a jury that will provide these guys a fair trial. So I think Biden is fine doing what he did, as is Trump playing his both sides card. Right or wrong
Post by: Trim on May 08, 2020, 07:13:26 PM
I think about Nixon commenting on Marilyn Manson and Manson subsequently taking that headline literally into court
:surprised:
Post by: cfbandyman on May 08, 2020, 08:49:00 PM
I think about Nixon commenting on Marilyn Manson and Manson subsequently taking that headline literally into court
:surprised:
Lol I meant Charles Manson, that is a pretty hilarious mistype by me
Post by: MakeItRain on May 08, 2020, 09:32:31 PM
https://www.bet.com/news/national/2020/05/07/trump-s-response-to-arbery-shooting.html
On a second look I do think Trump's statements are pretty measured, which they should be. Interesting juxtaposition to Biden. I do think it's terrible that when black people (and other people) are killed (especially) by cops a lot of people (me included) initially wonder "what was the black dude doing."
Uh, that's exactly what trump did and his response is in line with exactly other statements he's made of this nature, real both sides have good people type crap. I don't know what you guys expected him to say that he gets even a sliver of credit for leading his statement with essentially "well he probably did something, what else would cause those men to do that."
I'm trying to formulate what i think would be the perfect response from Trump or any politician type, but I think I'd rather hear it from you, cuz you prob have better perspective.
Honestly I'd be fine with a terse answer. While I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, I think Trump and Biden's opinions come with broader consequences. They should only offer an opinion if asked, and when they do it should be something to the effect of "my heart goes out to the family of Ahmaud Arbury, his life was cut far too short..." trump could/should add at the end, "the department of justice will be available to assist if called upon." Biden could just finish with something to the effect of "I trust the investigation into his death will be handled properly and justice will be doled out if the investigation deems it necessary."
Both Biden and Trump have dubious records on gun violence and social justice, so their words amount to clout chasing and they don't mean anything to me.
Remember when white people lost their rough ridin' minds when Obama said the Cambridge police acted stupidly for arresting Henry Louis Gates for "breaking into" his own house? LOL
Thanks man. I def feel like Biden's crap is clout chasing. It reminded me of the dem debates when all the candidates were one-upping each other about how much black people liked them. it was really weird and phony AF. Trump's comments are always weird to me. It's almost like he knows what's up, but he doesn't want to piss off the MAGAs by being anti cop.
Edit: I kinda remember the Gates uproar. I imagine it was mostly just partisan con/lib stuff, but def a lot of the conservatives all pissed off were racially motivated as well.
I don't see Biden's comments as insincere, but of course that's open to everyone's individual interpretation. For Biden's many faults, empathy for others who have experienced personal tragedy isn't really one of them. In fact a lot of people (myself included) think his biggest strength is the person he turns into when he's listening to a family has experienced loss.
I was kind of all over the place there, let me clarify a bit. First, I completely agree with spracs, these guys shouldn't comment on local affairs unless asked.
Do I think that Biden saw that video and was disgusted and had the same visceral reaction most of us did, yes I do. However, I don't think he would or he has legislated to match his tweeted feelings on the matter, therefore his words don't mean dick to me. The Department of Justice has spent my entire lifetime taking a hands off approach in prosecuting potential civil rights violations, a Biden presidency would be no different.
If he does win the election (he won't) we'll definitely get to see if he truly means it, because there isn't a jury of 12 in this county that will find these guys guilty.
Post by: waks on May 08, 2020, 10:25:15 PM
Especially considering I spent the last four hours trying to find this Nixon quote about Marilyn Manson.I think about Nixon commenting on Marilyn Manson and Manson subsequently taking that headline literally into court
:surprised:
Lol I meant Charles Manson, that is a pretty hilarious mistype by me
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2020, 10:28:22 PM
Post by: Spracne on May 08, 2020, 10:28:56 PM
Especially considering I spent the last four hours trying to find this Nixon quote about Marilyn Manson.I think about Nixon commenting on Marilyn Manson and Manson subsequently taking that headline literally into court
:surprised:
Lol I meant Charles Manson, that is a pretty hilarious mistype by me
I read that post then immediately Googled "when did nixon die". 1994. I thought, well, I guess it's possible, and left it at that.
Post by: waks on May 08, 2020, 10:32:52 PM
LOL, I wikipedia'd Marilyn Manson and saw that he was born in '69 and assumed he meant Charles.Especially considering I spent the last four hours trying to find this Nixon quote about Marilyn Manson.I think about Nixon commenting on Marilyn Manson and Manson subsequently taking that headline literally into court
:surprised:
Lol I meant Charles Manson, that is a pretty hilarious mistype by me
I read that post then immediately Googled "when did nixon die". 1994. I thought, well, I guess it's possible, and left it at that.
Post by: Spracne on May 08, 2020, 10:39:15 PM
Do we know for sure that tricky dick didn't absolutely rip the knob off for Beautiful People once in a while?
It's @Bqqkie_Pimp
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 08, 2020, 10:41:50 PM
Do we know for sure that tricky dick didn't absolutely rip the knob off for Beautiful People once in a while?
It's @Bqqkie_Pimp
Sorry, I don't go with the herd.
Post by: steve dave on May 09, 2020, 01:29:24 PM
Post by: waks on May 21, 2020, 01:09:23 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 21, 2020, 01:37:26 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2020, 02:15:26 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 06, 2020, 01:31:03 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2020, 02:59:58 PM
Post by: chum1 on August 06, 2020, 05:59:45 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2020, 08:36:34 PM
ProgFascists: Demanding that Federal Law Enforcement tell everyone their every move since 2 weeks ago (spying on Republican Presidential campaigns and FBI Directors going rogue against a Republican, perfectly fine).
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 06, 2020, 08:38:43 PM
Post by: michigancat on September 19, 2020, 05:04:33 PM
Post by: steve dave on September 29, 2020, 01:25:55 PM
https://twitter.com/WVTM13/status/1310980991134113795
Post by: chum1 on September 29, 2020, 01:57:04 PM
Quote
Mazzetta says he took out his own gun and fired because he feared the other man, was going to shoot him.
Mazzetta did not want to do an interview but told WESH 2’s Bob Hazen through text, “I’m not a fan of guns; I’m a fan of not getting shot.
I know this video doesn’t capture my smartest moments but I hope any idiot criminal with a gun watching thinks twice before loading, brandishing & aiming their firearm at someone over a traffic infraction.”
Post by: MakeItRain on September 29, 2020, 03:59:04 PM
QuoteMazzetta says he took out his own gun and fired because he feared the other man, was going to shoot him.
Mazzetta did not want to do an interview but told WESH 2’s Bob Hazen through text, “I’m not a fan of guns; I’m a fan of not getting shot.
I know this video doesn’t capture my smartest moments but I hope any idiot criminal with a gun watching thinks twice before loading, brandishing & aiming their firearm at someone over a traffic infraction.”
This is wilder than the video. This guy is bat crap crazy, he's actually lecturing other people on responsible gun usage, lol.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 01, 2020, 09:09:08 AM
[youtube]https://youtu.be/oLjAj8620Nk[/youtube]
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2020, 10:04:56 AM
QuoteMazzetta says he took out his own gun and fired because he feared the other man, was going to shoot him.
Mazzetta did not want to do an interview but told WESH 2’s Bob Hazen through text, “I’m not a fan of guns; I’m a fan of not getting shot.
I know this video doesn’t capture my smartest moments but I hope any idiot criminal with a gun watching thinks twice before loading, brandishing & aiming their firearm at someone over a traffic infraction.”
This is wilder than the video. This guy is bat crap crazy, he's actually lecturing other people on responsible gun usage, lol.
the full vid's still pretty wild!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImiVMnAAB5Y
Post by: Trim on October 01, 2020, 10:40:40 AM
Post by: mocat on October 01, 2020, 11:52:21 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
Sorry if already posted but it seems to goes along with this thread and I thought some people might enjoy it as much as I did:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/oLjAj8620Nk[/youtube]
This show was very disappointing, I had hope it would be good but it was cringe. This was the best clip of the season.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2020, 12:18:23 PM
QuoteMazzetta says he took out his own gun and fired because he feared the other man, was going to shoot him.
Mazzetta did not want to do an interview but told WESH 2’s Bob Hazen through text, “I’m not a fan of guns; I’m a fan of not getting shot.
I know this video doesn’t capture my smartest moments but I hope any idiot criminal with a gun watching thinks twice before loading, brandishing & aiming their firearm at someone over a traffic infraction.”
This is wilder than the video. This guy is bat crap crazy, he's actually lecturing other people on responsible gun usage, lol.
the full vid's still pretty wild!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImiVMnAAB5Y
Waymin, does this dude know he just posted evidence of his guilt not actual self defense like he labeled the video? Look at the time stamp at the bottom. The video does show that the sports car is driving very aggressively approaching and leaving that toll booth. It also shows that our shooter went from 70 mph to 84 mph to catch up after the sports car passed him, then he sped up to 100 mph to pull even with the sports car. The video also shows the crossfit hero pull his gun out of his waistband while he is even with the sports car, the video shows the sports car guy showing his gun as he drives off, leading me to think it was a response. The shooting occurs at 3:47:44 PM on both videos, there is no audio or visual indication that sports car dude ever shot.
This dude should be in jail. The fact that he doesn't realize how reckless his actions are make him a very real danger to the public. I'm sure nothing will happen because, Florida.
Post by: Katpappy on October 01, 2020, 01:08:35 PM
QuoteMazzetta says he took out his own gun and fired because he feared the other man, was going to shoot him.
Mazzetta did not want to do an interview but told WESH 2’s Bob Hazen through text, “I’m not a fan of guns; I’m a fan of not getting shot.
I know this video doesn’t capture my smartest moments but I hope any idiot criminal with a gun watching thinks twice before loading, brandishing & aiming their firearm at someone over a traffic infraction.”
Did they arrest this jerk?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 01, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
QuoteMazzetta says he took out his own gun and fired because he feared the other man, was going to shoot him.
Mazzetta did not want to do an interview but told WESH 2’s Bob Hazen through text, “I’m not a fan of guns; I’m a fan of not getting shot.
I know this video doesn’t capture my smartest moments but I hope any idiot criminal with a gun watching thinks twice before loading, brandishing & aiming their firearm at someone over a traffic infraction.”
Did they arrest this jerk?
Cops more likely to high 5 this guy who would definitely be a cop if he could.
Post by: Institutional Control on October 15, 2020, 08:44:27 AM
Post by: 'taterblast on February 05, 2021, 11:59:20 AM
(https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/3-dead-murder-suicide-over-snow-removal-dispute-prosecutors-say-n1256599)
Quote
Prosecutors said a man in Pennsylvania shot and killed a couple in a murder-suicide over a snow removal dispute on Monday, the same day a major winter storm dumped more than 30 inches of snow in parts of the Northeast.
there is video of the entire scene with audio floating around. rough ridin' insane.
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 05, 2021, 04:24:53 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 11, 2021, 09:41:20 AM
https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1359884291950444554
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2021, 10:09:58 AM
Post by: DaBigTrain on May 24, 2021, 05:52:54 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1396960626711293955
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 24, 2021, 05:56:19 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on May 24, 2021, 07:18:39 PM
Post by: Katpappy on May 24, 2021, 07:19:57 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 24, 2021, 07:53:32 PM
Those big copycats, following Kansas in gun leadership. :)
Yep, behind Iowa and Arkansas too
Post by: Katpappy on May 25, 2021, 02:11:24 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 25, 2021, 02:30:45 PM
I don't think any of those states lead the nation in gun deaths.
Looks like Alaska and Mississippi are the worst. No idea what their gun laws are.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
Post by: MakeItRain on May 25, 2021, 09:34:32 PM
Those big copycats, following Kansas in gun leadership. :)
No real surprises here
(https://i.ibb.co/Cz3zLhy/PXL-20210526-012918583.jpg)
Post by: 8manpick on May 25, 2021, 09:43:30 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 26, 2021, 09:12:27 AM
Post by: 8manpick on May 26, 2021, 11:33:38 AM
Alabama:D
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 26, 2021, 11:47:02 AM
Post by: ben ji on May 26, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
Can't wait to strap on a big ole gun to my hip and peacock around everywhere letting people know that I'm a man who can take care of himself and you better not mess with me.
Post by: ben ji on May 26, 2021, 12:32:29 PM
Wait, so I don't need a license or anything to openly walk around with a firearm in KS?
Can't wait to strap on a big ole gun to my hip and peacock around everywhere letting people know that I'm a man who can take care of himself and you better not mess with me.
Maybe I'm thinking its concealed carry that you need a license/permit for and so I just assumed you needed a license to carry a handgun around?
Only reason I know anything about it is because an old co-worker of mine who sat next to me used to always talk about how he had a concealed carry permit and kept a gun in his truck and would totally keep a gun in his desk if it wasn't against company policy.
This was a 35 year old college grad who grew up in the suburbs and lives in the suburbs.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 26, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 26, 2021, 02:39:41 PM
Wait, so I don't need a license or anything to openly walk around with a firearm in KS?was driving down ft riley blvd a few weeks back and this exact thing was taking place.. guy walking on the shoulder. texted cop buddy about it and he said yep its legal :sdeek:
Can't wait to strap on a big ole gun to my hip and peacock around everywhere letting people know that I'm a man who can take care of himself and you better not mess with me.
Post by: schreds21 on May 26, 2021, 07:38:10 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 27, 2021, 12:02:54 AM
Wait, so I don't need a license or anything to openly walk around with a firearm in KS?
Can't wait to strap on a big ole gun to my hip and peacock around everywhere letting people know that I'm a man who can take care of himself and you better not mess with me.
Maybe I'm thinking its concealed carry that you need a license/permit for and so I just assumed you needed a license to carry a handgun around?
Only reason I know anything about it is because an old co-worker of mine who sat next to me used to always talk about how he had a concealed carry permit and kept a gun in his truck and would totally keep a gun in his desk if it wasn't against company policy.
This was a 35 year old college grad who grew up in the suburbs and lives in the suburbs.
The laws have changed, homie.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2021, 01:22:02 PM
I was like dang kid
Post by: ben ji on May 27, 2021, 01:38:11 PM
One of my former employees came to me and very sheepishly told my his sig had been stolen from his desk drawer (unlocked). I was like wow, anything else and he was like oh yeah, about 65 adderalls.Is that why he is a former employee?
I was like dang kid
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 27, 2021, 01:58:11 PM
One of my former employees came to me and very sheepishly told my his sig had been stolen from his desk drawer (unlocked). I was like wow, anything else and he was like oh yeah, about 65 adderalls.Is that why he is a former employee?
I was like dang kid
:whistle1:
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 27, 2021, 03:11:33 PM
Yes, it is legal to carry in Kansas without a permit. Open or concealed.Always wondered why I never got in trouble wearing my bro tanks.
Post by: 8manpick on May 27, 2021, 03:19:16 PM
Post by: Katpappy on May 28, 2021, 10:56:39 PM
From bro tanks and guns to cargo shorts and kids... what a transformation :facepalm:
:ROFL:
Post by: Institutional Control on June 26, 2021, 06:49:20 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-man-who-intervened-after-ambush-officer-was-fatally-shot-n1272441
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 26, 2021, 08:35:14 AM
Colorado man who intervened after ambush on officer was fatally shot by police -
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-man-who-intervened-after-ambush-officer-was-fatally-shot-n1272441
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Just all around really rough ridin' stupid. The closing shot on the video was of a plush toy that someone wrote Arvada Strong on, gmafb.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 26, 2021, 09:12:07 AM
I think Arvada had a mass shooting a couple of months ago.Colorado man who intervened after ambush on officer was fatally shot by police -
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-man-who-intervened-after-ambush-officer-was-fatally-shot-n1272441
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Just all around really rough ridin' stupid. The closing shot on the video was of a plush toy that someone wrote Arvada Strong on, gmafb.
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Post by: mocat on June 26, 2021, 10:31:08 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on June 26, 2021, 11:03:13 AM
The "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
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Yes, me too, completely hijacked
Post by: sys on June 26, 2021, 03:18:42 PM
The "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
Yes, me too, completely hijacked
what was the saying from before? i've only seen the hijacked usage.
Post by: mocat on June 26, 2021, 03:23:01 PM
Post by: 8manpick on June 26, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
LivestrongThe "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
Yes, me too, completely hijacked
what was the saying from before? i've only seen the hijacked usage.
Post by: sys on June 26, 2021, 03:27:53 PM
The first time I remember seeing it was Boston after the bombing
ahh, yeah i remember boston strong.
Post by: nicname on June 26, 2021, 04:22:57 PM
The first time I remember seeing it was Boston after the bombing
ahh, yeah i remember boston strong.
I remember hesston the most
Post by: MakeItRain on June 26, 2021, 06:46:23 PM
LivestrongThe "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
Yes, me too, completely hijacked
what was the saying from before? i've only seen the hijacked usage.
Bingo. Then it was used for individual cancer patients, then for cities that had terrorist attacks, then it was used for mass shootings.
Post by: Tobias on June 26, 2021, 10:07:31 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on June 29, 2021, 09:32:38 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 11, 2021, 08:38:55 AM
Four people arrested on illegal weapons possession charges at hotel near Coors Field
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31799626/four-people-arrested-illegal-weapons-possession-charges-hotel-coors-field?platform=amp
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Post by: michigancat on July 17, 2021, 08:05:33 PM
Cops are urging parents to keep guns away from young kids
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Investigators are working to figure out exactly what happened, but are urging parents to keep guns away from young kids.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 17, 2021, 08:20:15 PM
Post by: CNS on July 17, 2021, 08:54:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 17, 2021, 10:15:24 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1416582651838812163
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2021, 10:47:32 AM
I won’t post the pictures because I don’t want to over trigger any of the perpetually triggered.
Going to need a ruling on this type of (ongoing) action.
BTW Dax is: For banning some weapons, for mandatory wait, for mandatory background checks, for closing gun show loopholes, for banning certain kinds of accessories and other upgrade kits.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 18, 2021, 10:58:59 AM
The New Black Panthers showed up in Indy with one of the finest collections of assault weapons and body armor you’ll find anywhere.
I won’t post the pictures because I don’t want to over trigger any of the perpetually triggered.
Going to need a ruling on this type of (ongoing) action.
BTW Dax is: For banning some weapons, for mandatory wait, for mandatory background checks, for closing gun show loopholes, for banning certain kinds of accessories and other upgrade kits.
I don't see where dax and I differ by much. Maybe I'd ban high capacity magazines and certainly history of mental health issues should have a role.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2021, 11:18:23 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
Based on the response I’ll assume ProgoFascist .7 thinks this is acceptable and not the greatest threat to our democracy.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 18, 2021, 12:12:04 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 18, 2021, 12:21:02 PM
I think its lol when large groups of heavily armed men (and gals) of any color show up to public events. I don't see color when I lol and those huge gimps.Agreed. Hopefully our DHS has placed all groups who espouse this mentality on the watch lists.
Post by: Katpappy on July 18, 2021, 06:52:44 PM
LivestrongThe "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
Yes, me too, completely hijacked
what was the saying from before? i've only seen the hijacked usage.
Wasn't that bicycle armstrong's saying with his completing after concurring nut cancer.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 19, 2021, 12:23:09 AM
I think where dax and you differ is you don't feel the need to make some weird racial statement.
Right? What the eff was that?
Post by: sys on July 26, 2021, 11:05:45 PM
https://twitter.com/ScottUhlTX/status/1419857359178977291
Post by: star seed 7 on July 26, 2021, 11:10:13 PM
Post by: sys on July 26, 2021, 11:40:18 PM
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Post by: Institutional Control on July 27, 2021, 12:25:57 PM
For the record, that dude shot and killed 3 people so I would have been fine with them killing him with a dull spoon.
Post by: Institutional Control on September 01, 2021, 08:33:31 AM
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https://twitter.com/eds_manifesto/status/1432420336906104836?s=21
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LOL. WTF were they doing. :dunno:
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 01, 2021, 02:26:49 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 01, 2021, 04:28:14 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 01, 2021, 04:31:15 PM
Well regulated, right there.
come and take it
Post by: MakeItRain on September 01, 2021, 09:27:30 PM
I don't see how that guy didn't get brained right there.
His shoulder pushed the barrel of the gun up when he stood up, otherwise night night
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on September 02, 2021, 12:23:28 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 02, 2021, 02:31:02 PM
Post by: steve dave on September 02, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
https://twitter.com/danprimack/status/1433590384442101761
Post by: star seed 7 on September 02, 2021, 08:24:09 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 24, 2021, 07:17:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
https://twitter.com/dukekwondc/status/1463623447477633031?s=20
These crackers are expendable and will absolutely get hammered. The fed charges will stick too.
Post by: nicname on November 26, 2021, 08:33:34 PM
Jesus Christ
https://twitter.com/danprimack/status/1433590384442101761
I know that had an ATF guy in Thank You for Smoking, but a redux focusing on the NRA would be pretty great. Tons of source material at this point. This from a pretty avid gun rights guy (who's never owned a single firearm).
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 08:57:03 PM
https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1463941917754941449
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2021, 09:07:32 PM
Warning before clicking the video, it isn't gory but it's a man getting senseless getting murdered on camera. Believe it or not, this guy hasn't been arrested and this happened on November 5th. America is mumped up.
https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1463941917754941449
That is a very bizarre video
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2021, 09:10:12 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 10:46:23 PM
Post by: Katpappy on November 26, 2021, 11:13:19 PM
That eff needs to be locked up and the key needs to be thrown away.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 26, 2021, 11:14:45 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2021, 11:50:12 PM
The guy in the teal shirt touched the gun, so the douche in the black shirt was within his rights to shoot. It sucks, but that is how it works.
No, it doesn't work like that. Just because you have the gun doesn't mean you have exclusive rights to protect yourself. You'd have a point if it were an accidental discharge due to struggling with the gun. Dude had full control of his weapon, took a step back, paused, and fired. That was an execution and we shouldn't just accept it as that's just how things go
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2021, 07:13:58 AM
That absolutely cannot reach the standard of self defense. If that's self defense there is literally nothing that isn't.
I don't think that's how it should be but it's likely why he hasn't been arrested.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 27, 2021, 09:27:43 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 27, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
Only thing I could think of was whether or not he *needed* to make the choice to go inside to retrieve his assault rifle then come back outside to continue the argument. Like MIR was saying I don’t think that just because you have a gun means you can just use it on another person whenever you deem it necessary.
I don’t know where this incident took place but I know for example in Wisconsin there was precedent of a couple guys getting into a fight in a bar, then one guy went out to his truck to get his gun, came back in the bar, continued to fight with and ultimately shot the other guy, and it was determined his actions were unlawful.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2021, 12:39:40 PM
Also the warning shot just shows this dude was reckless with his weapon. Again the dude who had a gun pulled on him also has a right to protect himself from a wacko with a gun when dude was just looking to pick up his son.
Post by: Institutional Control on November 27, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
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Post by: Spracne on November 28, 2021, 01:30:48 PM
The guy in black shirt with gun will probably be fine. He grabbed the gun, teal shirt guy felt threatened and got in his face. Black shirt guy stepped back and fired warning shot into ground. Teal shirt guy came back at black shirt guy, grabbed gun and shoved black shirt guy away. Teal shirt guy fired two shots. All on what I assume is teal shirt guy’s property. Texas crap.
Whether he's guilty or not likely depends on facts that have not been presented in this thread. No, the so-called "Castle Doctrine" does not mean you can shoot and kill anyone on your property. Black shirt was the instigator/aggressor because he went inside to grab his gun and then created a deadly situation. The warning shot, if anything, further proves he was the aggressor (I agree with MIR on this). In this instance, in order to use deadly force in self defense, you need to make a clear retreat and then be re-engaged by the other person. I don't see a clear retreat or intention to disengage. This jackass probably thought, mistakenly, that the "Castle Doctrine" allowed him to do that.
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
Post by: michigancat on November 28, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
The presence of guns seems to make people's extreme survival mechanisms kick in and behave in a way they wouldn't if a gun wasn't pointed at them. When things are somewhat heated a gun ratchets up the intensity multiple levels and leads to people getting killed when someone probably didn't even need to be hurt, like this situation and dozens of videos where cops murder people.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 28, 2021, 04:51:09 PM
Lubbock? Ok. Castle doctrine. No charges will be filed.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 28, 2021, 11:09:47 PM
The guy in black shirt with gun will probably be fine. He grabbed the gun, teal shirt guy felt threatened and got in his face. Black shirt guy stepped back and fired warning shot into ground. Teal shirt guy came back at black shirt guy, grabbed gun and shoved black shirt guy away. Teal shirt guy fired two shots. All on what I assume is teal shirt guy’s property. Texas crap.
Whether he's guilty or not likely depends on facts that have not been presented in this thread. No, the so-called "Castle Doctrine" does not mean you can shoot and kill anyone on your property. Black shirt was the instigator/aggressor because he went inside to grab his gun and then created a deadly situation. The warning shot, if anything, further proves he was the aggressor (I agree with MIR on this). In this instance, in order to use deadly force in self defense, you need to make a clear retreat and then be re-engaged by the other person. I don't see a clear retreat or intention to disengage. This jackass probably thought, mistakenly, that the "Castle Doctrine" allowed him to do that.
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
I thought there was no duty to retreat in Texas? Or does that go out the window if you go retrieve your gun and return to the situation?
Post by: Spracne on November 28, 2021, 11:15:41 PM
The guy in black shirt with gun will probably be fine. He grabbed the gun, teal shirt guy felt threatened and got in his face. Black shirt guy stepped back and fired warning shot into ground. Teal shirt guy came back at black shirt guy, grabbed gun and shoved black shirt guy away. Teal shirt guy fired two shots. All on what I assume is teal shirt guy’s property. Texas crap.
Whether he's guilty or not likely depends on facts that have not been presented in this thread. No, the so-called "Castle Doctrine" does not mean you can shoot and kill anyone on your property. Black shirt was the instigator/aggressor because he went inside to grab his gun and then created a deadly situation. The warning shot, if anything, further proves he was the aggressor (I agree with MIR on this). In this instance, in order to use deadly force in self defense, you need to make a clear retreat and then be re-engaged by the other person. I don't see a clear retreat or intention to disengage. This jackass probably thought, mistakenly, that the "Castle Doctrine" allowed him to do that.
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
I thought there was no duty to retreat in Texas? Or does that go out the window if you go retrieve your gun and return to the situation?
Preliminary information (not in this thread) is that teal shirt guy had a lawful right to be there, and black shirt guy was not the Lord of the Castle.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 28, 2021, 11:39:18 PM
The guy in black shirt with gun will probably be fine. He grabbed the gun, teal shirt guy felt threatened and got in his face. Black shirt guy stepped back and fired warning shot into ground. Teal shirt guy came back at black shirt guy, grabbed gun and shoved black shirt guy away. Teal shirt guy fired two shots. All on what I assume is teal shirt guy’s property. Texas crap.
Whether he's guilty or not likely depends on facts that have not been presented in this thread. No, the so-called "Castle Doctrine" does not mean you can shoot and kill anyone on your property. Black shirt was the instigator/aggressor because he went inside to grab his gun and then created a deadly situation. The warning shot, if anything, further proves he was the aggressor (I agree with MIR on this). In this instance, in order to use deadly force in self defense, you need to make a clear retreat and then be re-engaged by the other person. I don't see a clear retreat or intention to disengage. This jackass probably thought, mistakenly, that the "Castle Doctrine" allowed him to do that.
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
I thought there was no duty to retreat in Texas? Or does that go out the window if you go retrieve your gun and return to the situation?
Preliminary information (not in this thread) is that teal shirt guy had a lawful right to be there, and black shirt guy was not the Lord of the Castle.
Correct, the victim was there to pick up his son, abiding by a custody agreement. That was the victim's ex wife's house, the shooter is her boyfriend.
Post by: Spracne on November 28, 2021, 11:43:25 PM
The guy in black shirt with gun will probably be fine. He grabbed the gun, teal shirt guy felt threatened and got in his face. Black shirt guy stepped back and fired warning shot into ground. Teal shirt guy came back at black shirt guy, grabbed gun and shoved black shirt guy away. Teal shirt guy fired two shots. All on what I assume is teal shirt guy’s property. Texas crap.
Whether he's guilty or not likely depends on facts that have not been presented in this thread. No, the so-called "Castle Doctrine" does not mean you can shoot and kill anyone on your property. Black shirt was the instigator/aggressor because he went inside to grab his gun and then created a deadly situation. The warning shot, if anything, further proves he was the aggressor (I agree with MIR on this). In this instance, in order to use deadly force in self defense, you need to make a clear retreat and then be re-engaged by the other person. I don't see a clear retreat or intention to disengage. This jackass probably thought, mistakenly, that the "Castle Doctrine" allowed him to do that.
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
I thought there was no duty to retreat in Texas? Or does that go out the window if you go retrieve your gun and return to the situation?
Preliminary information (not in this thread) is that teal shirt guy had a lawful right to be there, and black shirt guy was not the Lord of the Castle.
Correct, the victim was there to pick up his son, abiding by a custody agreement. That was the victim's ex wife's house, the shooter is her boyfriend.
And did I read correctly that the victim's ex wife and killer's booty thang is a county judge?? :facepalm:
Post by: MakeItRain on November 29, 2021, 12:10:36 AM
The guy in black shirt with gun will probably be fine. He grabbed the gun, teal shirt guy felt threatened and got in his face. Black shirt guy stepped back and fired warning shot into ground. Teal shirt guy came back at black shirt guy, grabbed gun and shoved black shirt guy away. Teal shirt guy fired two shots. All on what I assume is teal shirt guy’s property. Texas crap.
Whether he's guilty or not likely depends on facts that have not been presented in this thread. No, the so-called "Castle Doctrine" does not mean you can shoot and kill anyone on your property. Black shirt was the instigator/aggressor because he went inside to grab his gun and then created a deadly situation. The warning shot, if anything, further proves he was the aggressor (I agree with MIR on this). In this instance, in order to use deadly force in self defense, you need to make a clear retreat and then be re-engaged by the other person. I don't see a clear retreat or intention to disengage. This jackass probably thought, mistakenly, that the "Castle Doctrine" allowed him to do that.
All that said, never gamble your life by insulting someone wielding a gun and, essentially, daring them to use it to kill you.
I thought there was no duty to retreat in Texas? Or does that go out the window if you go retrieve your gun and return to the situation?
Preliminary information (not in this thread) is that teal shirt guy had a lawful right to be there, and black shirt guy was not the Lord of the Castle.
Correct, the victim was there to pick up his son, abiding by a custody agreement. That was the victim's ex wife's house, the shooter is her boyfriend.
And did I read correctly that the victim's ex wife and killer's booty thang is a county judge?? :facepalm:
No, the killers ex wife is a judge.
Post by: CNS on November 29, 2021, 01:56:54 PM
It is alarming that this is where people want to be. How they want to live.
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2021, 03:10:24 PM
Texas crap.
My momma's boyfriend shot and killed my daddy.
Post by: chum1 on November 29, 2021, 03:15:22 PM
The black shirt guy had zero remorse.
Also, no one else seems to be all that distressed. No one screams. Mrs. Teal says to call 911 and strikes up a convo with Mr. Black. And Mr. Teal's ex is just hanging out off to the side.
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2021, 03:28:30 PM
The black shirt guy had zero remorse.
Also, no one else seems to be all that distressed. No one screams. Mrs. Teal says to call 911 and strikes up a convo with Mr. Black. And Mr. Teal's ex is just hanging out off to the side.
In the comments someone shared that Mrs. Teal said the sound was really muffled and she thought it was a paintball gun or air rifle. But yeah very odd that no one even reacted to it.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2021, 03:32:31 PM
The black shirt guy had zero remorse. What kind of person takes another's life in that scenario, without any remorse? Without any outward show or verbal show of something substantial having taken place. He doesn't even check on the guy. Just leaves him on the porch and stands off to the side.Just watched this today. It is disgusting that we are okay with this sort of pointless slaughter.
It is alarming that this is where people want to be. How they want to live.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 29, 2021, 03:38:16 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2021, 04:11:26 PM
At the rate we're going, we should just legalize duels and deal with 50% fewer crazies.Would probably kill off all the Alexander Hamiltons and allow all the Aaron Burrs of the world to run amok.
Post by: Cire on November 29, 2021, 04:30:10 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 30, 2021, 10:54:45 AM
took 24 hours to process that video. that's murder, i don't know how it can't be. the victim was not physically violent prior to the gun coming out (maybe i'm misremembering but i don't want to watch it again). this wasn't some rando off the street, he was there to pick up his child. i'm usually open to self-defense arguments but that has to be considered murder.better read up more on texas gun laws
Post by: CNS on November 30, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
I am being serious here. If you saw that and think Black Shirt Guy did right, go have a talk specifically about this with a professional.
Post by: Trim on November 30, 2021, 11:30:28 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 30, 2021, 11:54:53 AM
Gun discussions inevitably bring up mental health. Anyone who thinks that they would have done the same in this situation needs to get checked out. A lot of people don’t realize they need therapy until it’s too late.Can confirm from personal experience. Taking steps to improve my mental health significantly decreased the amount of time I spent fantasizing about violent confrontations with other humans.
I am being serious here. If you saw that and think Black Shirt Guy did right, go have a talk specifically about this with a professional.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2021, 09:37:43 PM
took 24 hours to process that video. that's murder, i don't know how it can't be. the victim was not physically violent prior to the gun coming out (maybe i'm misremembering but i don't want to watch it again). this wasn't some rando off the street, he was there to pick up his child. i'm usually open to self-defense arguments but that has to be considered murder.better read up more on texas gun laws
Please stop saying that like this is a black & white issue, it isn't, and it seems dismissive to the point where one with this stance finds what happened on the video acceptable. If you're cool with what that guy did, then say so, but don't just shrug and pass it off on Texas being gun friendly. Even the most extreme gun laws allow for wide variance in interpretation. I promise you that there are plenty of police officers in Texas that think that's an arrestable offense, plenty of DAs who would charge that man with a crime, and judges that will allow the charges to go to trial. He may get lucky and have found one of the DAs who won't charge him, but I doubt that will be the case.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 30, 2021, 09:49:03 PM
Post by: Spracne on November 30, 2021, 10:23:33 PM
took 24 hours to process that video. that's murder, i don't know how it can't be. the victim was not physically violent prior to the gun coming out (maybe i'm misremembering but i don't want to watch it again). this wasn't some rando off the street, he was there to pick up his child. i'm usually open to self-defense arguments but that has to be considered murder.better read up more on texas gun laws
Please stop saying that like this is a black & white issue, it isn't, and it seems dismissive to the point where one with this stance finds what happened on the video acceptable. If you're cool with what that guy did, then say so, but don't just shrug and pass it off on Texas being gun friendly. Even the most extreme gun laws allow for wide variance in interpretation. I promise you that there are plenty of police officers in Texas that think that's an arrestable offense, plenty of DAs who would charge that man with a crime, and judges that will allow the charges to go to trial. He may get lucky and have found one of the DAs who won't charge him, but I doubt that will be the case.
Agree with the above, and I've actually studied Texas law on this subject. Words such as "unlawfully" (as it relates to a victim's presence) and "reasonably" (as it relates to a shooter's actions) carry a ton of meaning and also create flexibility. Black shirt guy deserves to be indicted on at least second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter, and I cannot fathom the smug indifference that a small fraction of people are having to this event. That was a crime. That is NOT why we have these self-defense laws on the books. It's clear to me that the dude lost a dick measuring contest and therefore went and grabbed his dick extender.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2021, 12:40:18 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 01, 2021, 08:01:16 AM
took 24 hours to process that video. that's murder, i don't know how it can't be. the victim was not physically violent prior to the gun coming out (maybe i'm misremembering but i don't want to watch it again). this wasn't some rando off the street, he was there to pick up his child. i'm usually open to self-defense arguments but that has to be considered murder.better read up more on texas gun laws
Please stop saying that like this is a black & white issue, it isn't, and it seems dismissive to the point where one with this stance finds what happened on the video acceptable. If you're cool with what that guy did, then say so, but don't just shrug and pass it off on Texas being gun friendly. Even the most extreme gun laws allow for wide variance in interpretation. I promise you that there are plenty of police officers in Texas that think that's an arrestable offense, plenty of DAs who would charge that man with a crime, and judges that will allow the charges to go to trial. He may get lucky and have found one of the DAs who won't charge him, but I doubt that will be the case.
Agree with the above, and I've actually studied Texas law on this subject. Words such as "unlawfully" (as it relates to a victim's presence) and "reasonably" (as it relates to a shooter's actions) carry a ton of meaning and also create flexibility. Black shirt guy deserves to be indicted on at least second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter, and I cannot fathom the smug indifference that a small fraction of people are having to this event. That was a crime. That is NOT why we have these self-defense laws on the books. It's clear to me that the dude lost a dick measuring contest and therefore went and grabbed his dick extender.
And he was lawfully there to pick up the little teals, right?
Post by: Spracne on December 01, 2021, 10:23:47 AM
took 24 hours to process that video. that's murder, i don't know how it can't be. the victim was not physically violent prior to the gun coming out (maybe i'm misremembering but i don't want to watch it again). this wasn't some rando off the street, he was there to pick up his child. i'm usually open to self-defense arguments but that has to be considered murder.better read up more on texas gun laws
Please stop saying that like this is a black & white issue, it isn't, and it seems dismissive to the point where one with this stance finds what happened on the video acceptable. If you're cool with what that guy did, then say so, but don't just shrug and pass it off on Texas being gun friendly. Even the most extreme gun laws allow for wide variance in interpretation. I promise you that there are plenty of police officers in Texas that think that's an arrestable offense, plenty of DAs who would charge that man with a crime, and judges that will allow the charges to go to trial. He may get lucky and have found one of the DAs who won't charge him, but I doubt that will be the case.
Agree with the above, and I've actually studied Texas law on this subject. Words such as "unlawfully" (as it relates to a victim's presence) and "reasonably" (as it relates to a shooter's actions) carry a ton of meaning and also create flexibility. Black shirt guy deserves to be indicted on at least second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter, and I cannot fathom the smug indifference that a small fraction of people are having to this event. That was a crime. That is NOT why we have these self-defense laws on the books. It's clear to me that the dude lost a dick measuring contest and therefore went and grabbed his dick extender.
And he was lawfully there to pick up the little teals, right?
That's my understanding. At least, that's how it's been reported, though I have not (obviously) read the custody order, so I can't say for certain it specifically permits him to go to that property at that time for that purpose.
Post by: 'taterblast on December 01, 2021, 10:30:39 AM
1. shooter has a right to hold a gun and ask victim to leave his property, so therefore.....
2. regardless of how it started, once victim got physical and said he would take the gun from him he had a right to murder him
and it will be as simple as that. i don't agree with the law if that is the case.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2021, 10:33:19 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 01, 2021, 10:42:34 AM
I'm not ok with the video at all. It does seem black and white though. Child was not home they asked him to leave several times. Then billy bad ass black shirt went and got a gun asked him to leave again. He fired off a round to the ground. Teal attempted to disarm him and then black shirt fired a shot and killed him. I'm like tater and could only stomach to watch once so if you saw something differently please advise.took 24 hours to process that video. that's murder, i don't know how it can't be. the victim was not physically violent prior to the gun coming out (maybe i'm misremembering but i don't want to watch it again). this wasn't some rando off the street, he was there to pick up his child. i'm usually open to self-defense arguments but that has to be considered murder.better read up more on texas gun laws
Please stop saying that like this is a black & white issue, it isn't, and it seems dismissive to the point where one with this stance finds what happened on the video acceptable. If you're cool with what that guy did, then say so, but don't just shrug and pass it off on Texas being gun friendly. Even the most extreme gun laws allow for wide variance in interpretation. I promise you that there are plenty of police officers in Texas that think that's an arrestable offense, plenty of DAs who would charge that man with a crime, and judges that will allow the charges to go to trial. He may get lucky and have found one of the DAs who won't charge him, but I doubt that will be the case.
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2021, 10:12:12 PM
I like the zeal
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2021, 10:32:41 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 12, 2021, 09:44:18 AM
Post by: steve dave on December 12, 2021, 09:47:26 AM
SD needs to post that reap/sow tweet
https://twitter.com/screaminbutcalm/status/1105577845642878976
Post by: catastrophe on December 12, 2021, 10:56:29 AM
Post by: steve dave on December 12, 2021, 10:57:34 AM
Why on earth was he waiting on such a common sense response to gun control? I feel like that very idea was kicked around on gE at least five years ago.SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
Post by: waks on December 12, 2021, 02:45:44 PM
https://twitter.com/RileyCountyPD/status/1470060805102178309?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Post by: passranch on December 13, 2021, 05:09:32 PM
SD needs to post that reap/sow tweet
Could also go with a good how it started/how it's going meme.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 10, 2022, 12:40:33 PM
https://salinapost.com/posts/ee58b811-9fae-4aec-8bdc-3ea83516c084?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (https://salinapost.com/posts/ee58b811-9fae-4aec-8bdc-3ea83516c084?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Quote
Just before 8:30. a.m. Wednesday, the Pottawatomie County Sheriff’s Department received a 911 from the residence at 105 East Valley lot 8 in Wamego reference to a woman being shot, according to Police Chief Michael D. Baker, Sr.
Officers from the Wamego Police Department and Pottawatomie County Sheriff’s Office responded to the residence.
First responders found a 31 year-old woman suffering from a gunshot to the upper chest area. Pottawatomie County EMS transported her to Stormont-Vail Hospital in Topeka Kansas in critical condition.
At this time the incident is in the preliminary stages of the investigation. Evidence indicates a juvenile child residing in the home discharged a handgun, accidentally striking the adult.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 10, 2022, 02:28:11 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 10, 2022, 02:43:31 PM
About as irresponsible as it gets..1. Almost die
2. Almost watch your kid blow his brains out
3. Give your kid the trauma of almost killing you
4. Create totally unnecessary project for trauma surgeons.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 10, 2022, 03:33:30 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 10, 2022, 04:03:48 PM
It's like you guys think freedom should be free or something.Like we say, ITT: From time to time, the Tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of those who live in households where firearms are not properly stored.
Post by: 'taterblast on January 10, 2022, 04:14:23 PM
Post by: sys on January 13, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 13, 2022, 06:12:36 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2022, 06:16:14 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2022, 07:28:13 PM
That's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2022, 07:59:02 PM
LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Post by: MakeItRain on January 13, 2022, 10:00:16 PM
LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Explain this one for me, dax.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2022, 10:43:16 PM
LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Explain this one for me, dax.
The pearl clutchers lamenting that gun violence "on the other side of town" wanting those restrictions etc. etc. Are buying guns by the bushel.
Here in BHAM and ATL, my insider knowledge (many, many law enforcement agencies as customers) tell me that inner burb blue's are emptying the shelves at the gun stores.
Post by: waks on January 13, 2022, 11:10:13 PM
lmao how does that come up during a sales call?LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Explain this one for me, dax.
The pearl clutchers lamenting that gun violence "on the other side of town" wanting those restrictions etc. etc. Are buying guns by the bushel.
Here in BHAM and ATL, my insider knowledge (many, many law enforcement agencies as customers) tell me that inner burb blue's are emptying the shelves at the gun stores.
"hello, i'm sonofdaxjones, and i would like to sell you our new software."
"hi, sonofdaxjones, we're all good on software but did you know rich whites are buying all the guns in the inner burbs?"
"i didn't know that, random law enforcement agency, but i will be sure to relay it to my friends on the politics board of my fav kstate bbs."
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2022, 11:12:56 PM
lmao how does that come up during a sales call?LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Explain this one for me, dax.
The pearl clutchers lamenting that gun violence "on the other side of town" wanting those restrictions etc. etc. Are buying guns by the bushel.
Here in BHAM and ATL, my insider knowledge (many, many law enforcement agencies as customers) tell me that inner burb blue's are emptying the shelves at the gun stores.
"hello, i'm sonofdaxjones, and i would like to sell you our new software."
"hi, sonofdaxjones, we're all good on software but did you know rich whites are buying all the guns in the inner burbs?"
"i didn't know that, random law enforcement agency, but i will be sure to relay it to my friends on the politics board of my fav kstate bbs."
They're already customers, I've already closed them. I'm not some cold calling kid fresh out of grad school working in inside sales. Goodness gracious.
Post by: waks on January 13, 2022, 11:15:11 PM
i said new software. :dunno:lmao how does that come up during a sales call?LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Explain this one for me, dax.
The pearl clutchers lamenting that gun violence "on the other side of town" wanting those restrictions etc. etc. Are buying guns by the bushel.
Here in BHAM and ATL, my insider knowledge (many, many law enforcement agencies as customers) tell me that inner burb blue's are emptying the shelves at the gun stores.
"hello, i'm sonofdaxjones, and i would like to sell you our new software."
"hi, sonofdaxjones, we're all good on software but did you know rich whites are buying all the guns in the inner burbs?"
"i didn't know that, random law enforcement agency, but i will be sure to relay it to my friends on the politics board of my fav kstate bbs."
They're already customers, I've already closed them. I'm not some cold calling kid fresh out of grad school working in inside sales. Goodness gracious.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2022, 11:20:21 PM
i said new software. :dunno:lmao how does that come up during a sales call?LOLThat's funny . . . but wealthy blue sections of our country are buying up guns like crazy.
And? Rich people owning guns is a surprise to you?
(https://c.tenor.com/GftYN5SV9ZEAAAAC/this-is-america-childish.gif)
I expect nothing less than on point hypocrisy from the wealthy blue
Explain this one for me, dax.
The pearl clutchers lamenting that gun violence "on the other side of town" wanting those restrictions etc. etc. Are buying guns by the bushel.
Here in BHAM and ATL, my insider knowledge (many, many law enforcement agencies as customers) tell me that inner burb blue's are emptying the shelves at the gun stores.
"hello, i'm sonofdaxjones, and i would like to sell you our new software."
"hi, sonofdaxjones, we're all good on software but did you know rich whites are buying all the guns in the inner burbs?"
"i didn't know that, random law enforcement agency, but i will be sure to relay it to my friends on the politics board of my fav kstate bbs."
They're already customers, I've already closed them. I'm not some cold calling kid fresh out of grad school working in inside sales. Goodness gracious.
I have substantial and ongoing engagement because I sell the 4th utility and the components that make it work.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2022, 11:15:10 AM
Ft Riley people not doing great things for aggieville
Post by: LickNeckey on February 05, 2022, 11:55:45 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 05, 2022, 12:33:22 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 06, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
How are your law enforcement connections aware of the political leanings of these buyers?
How do the cops know who is buying guns in the first place let alone how they voted?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 07, 2022, 01:14:40 PM
https://twitter.com/1350kman/status/1489968683317448712We just haven't reached the enough good guys with guns saturation point. Once there are enough good guys with guns in Aggieville, this sort of slaughter should stop.
Ft Riley people not doing great things for aggieville
https://1350kman.com/aggieville-shooting-suspect-charged-with-murder-bond-set-at-1-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR2YotzslL3GL-UVn_1-onBMFifgwebbZH0qMYdAE6cHte3_nx6AekVxmQ4 (https://1350kman.com/aggieville-shooting-suspect-charged-with-murder-bond-set-at-1-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR2YotzslL3GL-UVn_1-onBMFifgwebbZH0qMYdAE6cHte3_nx6AekVxmQ4)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
Satire noted this is a stupid thing to say.https://twitter.com/1350kman/status/1489968683317448712We just haven't reached the enough good guys with guns saturation point. Once there are enough good guys with guns in Aggieville, this sort of slaughter should stop.
Ft Riley people not doing great things for aggieville
https://1350kman.com/aggieville-shooting-suspect-charged-with-murder-bond-set-at-1-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR2YotzslL3GL-UVn_1-onBMFifgwebbZH0qMYdAE6cHte3_nx6AekVxmQ4 (https://1350kman.com/aggieville-shooting-suspect-charged-with-murder-bond-set-at-1-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR2YotzslL3GL-UVn_1-onBMFifgwebbZH0qMYdAE6cHte3_nx6AekVxmQ4)
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 07, 2022, 01:41:35 PM
I'm not understanding. It's stupid to make satirical comments about needing more guns in circulation in order to end pointless gun violence?Satire noted this is a stupid thing to say.https://twitter.com/1350kman/status/1489968683317448712We just haven't reached the enough good guys with guns saturation point. Once there are enough good guys with guns in Aggieville, this sort of slaughter should stop.
Ft Riley people not doing great things for aggieville
https://1350kman.com/aggieville-shooting-suspect-charged-with-murder-bond-set-at-1-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR2YotzslL3GL-UVn_1-onBMFifgwebbZH0qMYdAE6cHte3_nx6AekVxmQ4 (https://1350kman.com/aggieville-shooting-suspect-charged-with-murder-bond-set-at-1-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR2YotzslL3GL-UVn_1-onBMFifgwebbZH0qMYdAE6cHte3_nx6AekVxmQ4)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 01:43:48 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 07, 2022, 02:13:36 PM
It's a sad situation and it's dumb to comment when you don't know what happened.After reading the article, I jumped to the conclusion that there are armed 19 year-olds with guns frequenting bars in Aggieville. This seems like a recipe for terrible things like this to keep happening.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 02:15:47 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 07, 2022, 03:27:34 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 03:35:45 PM
this sums it up better. he never had the gun in the bars though. he was actually detained at the cop shop for MIC. Was let out and then went to his vehicle got his gun found the other soldier and shot him multiple times.
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2022, 04:06:51 PM
https://littleapplepost.com/posts/0c720fac-c34a-429d-8e0c-5f72f25dbb32
this sums it up better. he never had the gun in the bars though. he was actually detained at the cop shop for MIC. Was let out and then went to his vehicle got his gun found the other soldier and shot him multiple times.
given the added context, it's clear we just haven't reached the enough good guys with guns saturation point. Once there are enough good guys with guns in Aggieville, this sort of slaughter should stop.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 04:12:24 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2022, 04:17:03 PM
Thank goodness the cops apprehended him. I agree
Just a tad too late
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2022, 05:16:42 PM
https://littleapplepost.com/posts/0c720fac-c34a-429d-8e0c-5f72f25dbb32
this sums it up better. he never had the gun in the bars though. he was actually detained at the cop shop for MIC. Was let out and then went to his vehicle got his gun found the other soldier and shot him multiple times.
The cops in their substation hearing gun shots and running to it happened in the December shooting as well. I'm assuming Manhattan has that gunshot detection thingie? I've heard gunshots before and the sound doesn't come with directional orientation.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 06:31:08 PM
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Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2022, 07:01:47 PM
I don't remember thinking or hearing much about them while I attended K-State, though.
Post by: Tobias on February 07, 2022, 07:21:07 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 07:32:09 PM
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Post by: Kat Kid on February 07, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
Yla— you understand the difference between a soldier being issued a weapon to use in uniform and a rough ridin' teenager using a handgun to kill someone in aggieville, yes?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 07:42:02 PM
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Post by: Kat Kid on February 07, 2022, 08:48:15 PM
Absolutely. It was a stupid comment to begin with. Do you have a grand plan for gun control? This wasn’t a concealed carry issue or anything of that natureNo of course manhattan, ks or the aggieville business association can’t solve gun violence or gun control. But I think maybe we should be thinking about what some solutions to an emerging problem might be. Do we need to go to Westport style lock down with metal detectors and no car traffic on weekends? Maybe not yet, but that would be something.
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And if Ft. Riley hasn’t, they might consider a curfew or ban for under 21 year olds in aggieville.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 08:50:50 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 10:14:42 PM
This thread reminded me that I always disliked the Ft. Riley trash loitering around when I would visit Aggieville.I don’t frequent aggieville late nights anymore but the older first sergeants and what not that use to go around with rcpd was a bit comforting in my younger years
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Post by: catastrophe on February 07, 2022, 11:55:04 PM
This thread reminded me that I always disliked the Ft. Riley trash loitering around when I would visit Aggieville.I don’t frequent aggieville late nights anymore but the older first sergeants and what not that use to go around with rcpd was a bit comforting in my younger years
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Back in my day they were all basically quarantined to Silverados(?)
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2022, 12:48:15 AM
Me and my townie buds in high school used to talk so much crap on GIs. Like they were total scum of the Earth losers who had no other options in life other than joining the Army. We were very mean assholes about it.
I don't remember thinking or hearing much about them while I attended K-State, though.
The MPs didn't patrol Aggieville when you were in college?
Post by: waks on February 08, 2022, 01:24:30 AM
I imagine we will see MPs back in Aggieville along with a ban for all military at a couple different bars in the district if not a curfew for all military (similar to the one they did during the prime of the pandemic) in the ensuing weeks.Me and my townie buds in high school used to talk so much crap on GIs. Like they were total scum of the Earth losers who had no other options in life other than joining the Army. We were very mean assholes about it.
I don't remember thinking or hearing much about them while I attended K-State, though.
The MPs didn't patrol Aggieville when you were in college?
Post by: IPA4Me on February 08, 2022, 06:27:47 AM
There are shitty people in all walks of life.
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 08, 2022, 07:42:18 AM
Has tates even reopened yet?I imagine we will see MPs back in Aggieville along with a ban for all military at a couple different bars in the district if not a curfew for all military (similar to the one they did during the prime of the pandemic) in the ensuing weeks.Me and my townie buds in high school used to talk so much crap on GIs. Like they were total scum of the Earth losers who had no other options in life other than joining the Army. We were very mean assholes about it.
I don't remember thinking or hearing much about them while I attended K-State, though.
The MPs didn't patrol Aggieville when you were in college?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 08, 2022, 09:50:38 AM
This thread reminded me that I always disliked the Ft. Riley trash loitering around when I would visit Aggieville.I don’t frequent aggieville late nights anymore but the older first sergeants and what not that use to go around with rcpd was a bit comforting in my younger years
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Back in my day they were all basically quarantined to Silverados(?)
Occasional forays into rusty's but quickly repelled
Post by: waks on February 08, 2022, 10:28:02 AM
Yes. I don't think they were closed for very long...Has tates even reopened yet?I imagine we will see MPs back in Aggieville along with a ban for all military at a couple different bars in the district if not a curfew for all military (similar to the one they did during the prime of the pandemic) in the ensuing weeks.Me and my townie buds in high school used to talk so much crap on GIs. Like they were total scum of the Earth losers who had no other options in life other than joining the Army. We were very mean assholes about it.
I don't remember thinking or hearing much about them while I attended K-State, though.
The MPs didn't patrol Aggieville when you were in college?
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Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 11, 2022, 02:23:49 PM
How is our society okay with this carnage:
https://salinapost.com/posts/ee58b811-9fae-4aec-8bdc-3ea83516c084?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (https://salinapost.com/posts/ee58b811-9fae-4aec-8bdc-3ea83516c084?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)QuoteJust before 8:30. a.m. Wednesday, the Pottawatomie County Sheriff’s Department received a 911 from the residence at 105 East Valley lot 8 in Wamego reference to a woman being shot, according to Police Chief Michael D. Baker, Sr.
Officers from the Wamego Police Department and Pottawatomie County Sheriff’s Office responded to the residence.
First responders found a 31 year-old woman suffering from a gunshot to the upper chest area. Pottawatomie County EMS transported her to Stormont-Vail Hospital in Topeka Kansas in critical condition.
At this time the incident is in the preliminary stages of the investigation. Evidence indicates a juvenile child residing in the home discharged a handgun, accidentally striking the adult.
No charges in this shooting. Appears that everything went exactly as designed.
https://1350kman.com/wamego-woman-shot-by-toddler-wont-face-child-endangerment-charge/?fbclid=IwAR2lJhvn1P687mE32VXhJ3WjyCst-XuWWgg2oFmLQY9sFu80pF6O4hBcHNk (https://1350kman.com/wamego-woman-shot-by-toddler-wont-face-child-endangerment-charge/?fbclid=IwAR2lJhvn1P687mE32VXhJ3WjyCst-XuWWgg2oFmLQY9sFu80pF6O4hBcHNk)
Post by: MakeItRain on February 11, 2022, 10:02:40 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on April 01, 2022, 07:49:20 AM
Warning before clicking the video, it isn't gory but it's a man getting senselessly murdered on camera. Believe it or not, this guy hasn't been arrested and this happened on November 5th. America is mumped up.
https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1463941917754941449
https://twitter.com/AYoungReporter/status/1509712042936225802?s=20&t=y01RdCu3k6pqYIlUdpRI8A
Post by: catastrophe on April 01, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 01, 2022, 08:57:29 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 01, 2022, 09:59:45 AM
Post by: chum1 on April 01, 2022, 10:12:37 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 12, 2022, 08:43:21 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on April 12, 2022, 08:49:11 AM
Post by: Spracne on April 12, 2022, 04:15:12 PM
https://twitter.com/K12ssdb/status/1513874630225891345?s=20&t=9gPQPZ52udxMLyuOsEfETw
What was this?
Post by: mocat on April 12, 2022, 04:42:37 PM
https://twitter.com/K12ssdb/status/1513874630225891345?s=20&t=9gPQPZ52udxMLyuOsEfETw
What was this?
brooklyn subway
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 13, 2022, 03:20:03 PM
Post by: Spracne on April 13, 2022, 03:21:29 PM
Are the Feds investigating this event as a possible hate crime?
Terrorism. Is that good enough for you, big boy?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 13, 2022, 03:23:47 PM
LOL, you’ve turned into such an enraged #neoconGe’r, it’s just sadAre the Feds investigating this event as a possible hate crime?
Terrorism. Is that good enough for you, big boy?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 13, 2022, 03:29:18 PM
Are the Feds investigating this event as a possible hate crime?I hated it
Post by: MakeItRain on April 13, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
Are the Feds investigating this event as a possible hate crime?
pfft. Against whom?
Post by: dal9 on July 21, 2022, 06:47:58 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1550121263305109505
Post by: Institutional Control on July 21, 2022, 07:04:19 PM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 21, 2022, 07:32:33 PM
Post by: dal9 on July 21, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
That story is about to turn 8 years old but still a doozy
lol my bad. or the tweeter's bad.
presumably the guy is still dead, tho.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on July 21, 2022, 09:49:54 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-indictment-death-houston-girl-shot-man-thinking-was-firing-robber-rcna39252 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-indictment-death-houston-girl-shot-man-thinking-was-firing-robber-rcna39252)
Post by: dal9 on August 27, 2022, 11:07:00 PM
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-an-active-shooter-drill-turned-into-a-real-life-nightmare-in-omaha-nebraska
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2022, 06:17:11 AM
this is a really weird version of "Blacks Rule" if you think about it:I don't see the connection to blacks rule, but holy crap at that story
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-an-active-shooter-drill-turned-into-a-real-life-nightmare-in-omaha-nebraska
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on August 28, 2022, 12:38:30 PM
Post by: dal9 on August 28, 2022, 12:57:12 PM
Crazy twist at the end there
is it that surprising tho?
Post by: sys on August 28, 2022, 05:44:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on August 28, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
pretty surprised no one died.
yeah.
Similar thing happened in Des Moines a couple of years ago. The state hired a company to break into county courthouses. They got caught and then the state screwed the guys over, badly. There are some circumstances in which these guys would have been shot, on sight. The story is pretty wild. Two Americas.
https://www.wired.com/story/inside-courthouse-break-in-spree-that-landed-two-white-hat-hackers-in-jail/
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2022, 08:41:45 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2022, 08:43:12 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2022, 02:38:00 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiwXeglVIAExYPO?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: 'taterblast on November 29, 2022, 02:41:27 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2022, 02:46:45 PM
how is "10+" different than ">10"Hmmm... Maybe it should read <10?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 29, 2022, 02:48:10 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2022, 02:52:03 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 29, 2022, 03:10:30 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 29, 2022, 03:17:19 PM
Post by: mocat on November 29, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
Colorado also has a star indicating its one of the 10 states with the least amount of gun deaths, but it's colored orange. So something is wrong with the map.
the 10 starred states are the states with the strictest gun laws.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 12, 2023, 11:08:20 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 12, 2023, 11:53:30 AM
Number of Rights infringed upon: MOTHER-EFFING ZERO
Post by: MakeItRain on February 12, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1624457576539717633?s=20&t=2f-IwCWS0NIAPCE28KKOXg
So what the eff are the presenting to the prosecutor?
Post by: catastrophe on February 13, 2023, 03:39:44 PM
I’m sure there’s still criminal negligence or child endangerment stuff in play. Lots of things aren’t regulated to own but you can still face charges for letting kids have easy access to it.https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1624457576539717633?s=20&t=2f-IwCWS0NIAPCE28KKOXg
So what the eff are the presenting to the prosecutor?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 13, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
I’m sure there’s still criminal negligence or child endangerment stuff in play. Lots of things aren’t regulated to own but you can still face charges for letting kids have easy access to it.https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1624457576539717633?s=20&t=2f-IwCWS0NIAPCE28KKOXg
So what the eff are the presenting to the prosecutor?
If you don't mandate gun safety and allow open carry, stands to reason you're going to have a lot more accidental deaths. This is the government having their cake and eating it too. Does the government charge parents when kids accidentally harm or kill themselves with other things stripped of regulation? Kitchen knives, button batteries, cleaning chemicals, kids toys, furniture, tools?
Post by: catastrophe on February 13, 2023, 06:31:42 PM
Obviously for all the things you listed there are plenty of legitimate reasons for them to be easily accessible in the house, whereas there really isn’t a good reason to have a gun out in the open.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 14, 2023, 12:28:56 AM
Obviously for all the things you listed there are plenty of legitimate reasons for them to be easily accessible in the house, whereas there really isn’t a good reason to have a gun out in the open.
Sure, that's your opinion, but the trend in abolition of gun laws says otherwise. Gotta have that gat out to always be ready for bad guys, or a sudden sounder of wild hogs.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 03, 2023, 10:18:29 AM
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
Post by: kstate4life on March 03, 2023, 10:23:55 AM
https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY (https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY)
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
Yes, this was amazing!
Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2023, 11:01:12 AM
https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY (https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY)
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
:horrorsurprise: holy crap, that dude got cooked
The frustrating thing about it though, is that it won't make a thimbles worth of difference
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 03, 2023, 11:07:58 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 03, 2023, 11:15:01 AM
https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY (https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY)
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
:horrorsurprise: holy crap, that dude got cooked
The frustrating thing about it though, is that it won't make a thimbles worth of difference
Both of these observations are dead on
Post by: Trim on March 03, 2023, 05:35:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.io/1dLJbNS_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Post by: cfbandyman on March 03, 2023, 06:28:10 PM
https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY (https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY)
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
:horrorsurprise: holy crap, that dude got cooked
The frustrating thing about it though, is that it won't make a thimbles worth of difference
Both of these observations are dead on
Absolutely
Post by: passranch on March 03, 2023, 08:42:59 PM
https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY (https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY)
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
Got Dayum that was surgical!
Post by: Institutional Control on March 06, 2023, 08:38:05 AM
Post by: TheHamburglar on March 06, 2023, 08:53:51 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on March 06, 2023, 09:41:28 AM
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GELFAND: “Do you believe that the Constitution is a living document, or do you think that it’s static?”
DAHM: “I do not believe that it is a living document.”
GELFAND: “If you do not believe that the Constitution is a living document, do you believe that the Bill of Rights should have been added to it in the first place?”
DAHM: “Oh, well, yes, the Constitution can always be amended. It has been amended over 20 times, including the Bill of Rights, so that is a possibility. But that’s not making it a living document just because it has been amended.”
Post by: OK_Cat on March 06, 2023, 09:57:45 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2023, 10:04:33 AM
That guy is term limited. He’s ran for higher office 3 times & never really had a chance. In 2 years his political career is over. It was a Hail Mary to try to kick-start something for the next phase, i.e. a Newsmax show. He showed why he keeps losing primaries for higher office.
yeah there's a reason Stewart had to interview an Oklahoma State Senator to begin with. No serious politician will agree to a conversation like that.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 10:09:20 AM
That guy is term limited. He’s ran for higher office 3 times & never really had a chance. In 2 years his political career is over. It was a Hail Mary to try to kick-start something for the next phase, i.e. a Newsmax show. He showed why he keeps losing primaries for higher office.
yeah there's a reason Stewart had to interview an Oklahoma State Senator to begin with. No serious politician will agree to a conversation like that.
do you think that a more serious republican politician would have a more salient counter-argument to Jon Stewart?
Post by: OK_Cat on March 06, 2023, 10:33:52 AM
Post by: OK_Cat on March 06, 2023, 10:39:17 AM
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https://twitter.com/NathanDahm/status/1631758553164783616
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https://twitter.com/NathanDahm/status/1632039171090010115
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https://twitter.com/NathanDahm/status/1632039835681652749
my favorites
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 06, 2023, 10:51:11 AM
Post by: catastrophe on March 06, 2023, 12:13:37 PM
And it works. I hope he’s ready for all the money and pillow sponsorships about to roll in.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 13, 2023, 09:43:10 AM
Guy takes a gun to a BLM protest and confronts a rifle-toting protester.
Guy claims that he was afraid he would be shot by the protester he had gone out of his way to confront and kills him.
Jury convicts guy for killing protester with rifle.
Now Law and Order guy Abbott is working to get the guy pardoned.
https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1646517378505936904?s=20
Post by: ChiComCat on April 13, 2023, 10:36:14 AM
Too lazy to look but this has probably been discussed elsewhere on the board.
Guy takes a gun to a BLM protest and confronts a rifle-toting protester.
Guy claims that he was afraid he would be shot by the protester he had gone out of his way to confront and kills him.
Jury convicts guy for killing protester with rifle.
Now Law and Order guy Abbott is working to get the guy pardoned.
https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1646517378505936904?s=20
I think it's worth noting that he issues a statement on the pardon right after Tucker Carlson tells him to.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 13, 2023, 11:19:22 AM
The politicians used to think they could use Fox News as a tool. Now the infotainers are calling out the dance steps for the politicians.Too lazy to look but this has probably been discussed elsewhere on the board.
Guy takes a gun to a BLM protest and confronts a rifle-toting protester.
Guy claims that he was afraid he would be shot by the protester he had gone out of his way to confront and kills him.
Jury convicts guy for killing protester with rifle.
Now Law and Order guy Abbott is working to get the guy pardoned.
https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1646517378505936904?s=20
I think it's worth noting that he issues a statement on the pardon right after Tucker Carlson tells him to.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 13, 2023, 04:15:41 PM
I don't think greg is getting his talking points from anyone over at fox news. he is just authentically that big of a piece of crap.The politicians used to think they could use Fox News as a tool. Now the infotainers are calling out the dance steps for the politicians.Too lazy to look but this has probably been discussed elsewhere on the board.
Guy takes a gun to a BLM protest and confronts a rifle-toting protester.
Guy claims that he was afraid he would be shot by the protester he had gone out of his way to confront and kills him.
Jury convicts guy for killing protester with rifle.
Now Law and Order guy Abbott is working to get the guy pardoned.
https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1646517378505936904?s=20
I think it's worth noting that he issues a statement on the pardon right after Tucker Carlson tells him to.
Post by: Institutional Control on April 13, 2023, 04:19:35 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 13, 2023, 04:35:23 PM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 13, 2023, 07:16:29 PM
Like Mike Lindell in the stuffed animal machine.https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY (https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY)
i'm honestly shocked that any pub would ever agree to sit down and have a one on one civil discussion with Jon Stewart. Like, he is going to bring facts and defend common sense logic with such cogency that i just don't know why they would even walk in to that snake pit. Best case scenario, they come out looking like a doofus.
Like i have to believe that with a lot of these politicians they don't actually believe the crap they vote for, they just know that - if confronted about it - they'll be fine as long as they can either cut off the person asking the questions or pivot to a completely different topic w/ impunity, but JS is just waiting for that tactic and its kind of a thing of beauty.
Got Dayum that was surgical!
Post by: 8manpick on April 17, 2023, 09:34:31 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on April 17, 2023, 09:42:12 AM
Amazing, I saw a few ags threads right after the verdict saying Abbott should pardon him but I never thought he'd actually do it. That's some grade a tough on crimin'
To be fair to No Leg Greg, he hasn't pardoned him yet.
Post by: steve dave on April 19, 2023, 08:06:18 AM
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 19, 2023, 08:53:44 AM
Amazing, I saw a few ags threads right after the verdict saying Abbott should pardon him but I never thought he'd actually do it. That's some grade a tough on crimin'
To be fair to No Leg Greg, he hasn't pardoned him yet.
Greg has legs. He's just too lazy to use them.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 19, 2023, 11:42:35 AM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1648656571696656385?s=46&t=odWzhuZU7P443NcVwlC1iQ
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rough ridin' disgusting. This is why limiting this discussing to banning AR-15s is a joke. How many are people getting shot like this every day that we don't even hear about?
Post by: wetwillie on April 19, 2023, 12:57:44 PM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1648656571696656385?s=46&t=odWzhuZU7P443NcVwlC1iQ
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rough ridin' disgusting. This is why limiting this discussing to banning AR-15s is a joke. How many are people getting shot like this every day that we don't even hear about?
The stats are kind of vague but it’s roughly
45k total
25 suicide
20k non suicide
The 20k non suicide includes accidental death and police involved deaths (call it 1k)
Everything else in the non suicide bucket is labeled homicide, mass shooting deaths in 2022 was around 1k I think.
So 18k or so people are dying from non mass shooting homicides.
Post by: MakeItRain on April 19, 2023, 01:22:42 PM
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1648656571696656385?s=46&t=odWzhuZU7P443NcVwlC1iQ
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rough ridin' disgusting. This is why limiting this discussing to banning AR-15s is a joke. How many are people getting shot like this every day that we don't even hear about?
The stats are kind of vague but it’s roughly
45k total
25 suicide
20k non suicide
The 20k non suicide includes accidental death and police involved deaths (call it 1k)
Everything else in the non suicide bucket is labeled homicide, mass shooting deaths in 2022 was around 1k I think.
So 18k or so people are dying from non mass shooting homicides.
And the people who don't die, the ones like Payton Washington and Ralph Yarl, whose lives are forever changed, don't even count in those stats. There's literally thousands more.
Post by: michigancat on April 19, 2023, 04:00:11 PM
Mass shootings actually killed 74 people in 2023 according to thishttps://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1648656571696656385?s=46&t=odWzhuZU7P443NcVwlC1iQ
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rough ridin' disgusting. This is why limiting this discussing to banning AR-15s is a joke. How many are people getting shot like this every day that we don't even hear about?
The stats are kind of vague but it’s roughly
45k total
25 suicide
20k non suicide
The 20k non suicide includes accidental death and police involved deaths (call it 1k)
Everything else in the non suicide bucket is labeled homicide, mass shooting deaths in 2022 was around 1k I think.
So 18k or so people are dying from non mass shooting homicides.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811504/mass-shooting-victims-in-the-united-states-by-fatalities-and-injuries/
Post by: steve dave on April 19, 2023, 05:40:24 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 19, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 19, 2023, 08:26:06 PM
Post by: steve dave on April 20, 2023, 07:18:53 AM
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 20, 2023, 10:08:09 AM
When cars first starting becoming popular with private citizens, they had like, almost no rules. And then after a while they were like “huh, it appears as though when drivers go really fast they get in more accidents, so then they started having speed limits, which varied depending on the type of roadway you were driving on.
And then they went huh, it appears as though when people drink and drive they get in more accidents, so they made it illegal for people to drive while intoxicated.
Then they were like huh, it appears as though children are not very good at driving, so they made it illegal to drive under the age of 14-16 depending on the state.
Then they were like huh, so many of these accidents would have been way less severe if the passengers had been wearing a seatbelt, so they made it a requirement that cars be manufactured when seatbelts and that it was illegal not to wear it.
I guess my point is, there is tons of crap that we (the people) have demonstrated time and again that we are not responsible enough to handle just left to our own devices. And that meaningful rules/restrictions/regulations are necessary as a matter of public safety.
I really cannot fathom why, of all things, metal killing tubes are exempt from any such restrictions
Post by: MakeItRain on April 20, 2023, 12:06:00 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1648792325156401153?s=46&t=odWzhuZU7P443NcVwlC1iQ
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It's absolutely disgusting. Frankly, shootings of this nature are a lot more likely to move people to action than most of the other high profile shootings we've seen recently.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 21, 2023, 01:34:55 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1649479410637221888?s=20
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 22, 2023, 02:18:44 PM
Post by: mocat on April 22, 2023, 06:29:43 PM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1649549998260879360?t=z9SH5ZHd7UQSE6mrjeyptg&s=19
Post by: star seed 7 on April 22, 2023, 07:50:29 PM
Post by: Katpappy on April 23, 2023, 12:42:46 AM
apparently I will soon be able to concealed carry with no license or permit or whatever in NE. so local cheerleaders getting near my vehicle better watch their pom poms.
SD, keep your pocket gun behind your zipper since the law for shooting children with your pocket rocket is still illegal until the POS pubs get their way.
Post by: Katpappy on April 23, 2023, 12:46:49 AM
I know you guys have tried to pick apart what car regulations and gun regulations is an apples to orange comparison, but hear me out.
When cars first starting becoming popular with private citizens, they had like, almost no rules. And then after a while they were like “huh, it appears as though when drivers go really fast they get in more accidents, so then they started having speed limits, which varied depending on the type of roadway you were driving on.
And then they went huh, it appears as though when people drink and drive they get in more accidents, so they made it illegal for people to drive while intoxicated.
Then they were like huh, it appears as though children are not very good at driving, so they made it illegal to drive under the age of 14-16 depending on the state.
Then they were like huh, so many of these accidents would have been way less severe if the passengers had been wearing a seatbelt, so they made it a requirement that cars be manufactured when seatbelts and that it was illegal not to wear it.
I guess my point is, there is tons of crap that we (the people) have demonstrated time and again that we are not responsible enough to handle just left to our own devices. And that meaningful rules/restrictions/regulations are necessary as a matter of public safety.
I really cannot fathom why, of all things, metal killing tubes are exempt from any such restrictions
There is no amendment concerning cars.
Post by: MadCat on April 25, 2023, 01:57:40 PM
lmao
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1649549998260879360?t=z9SH5ZHd7UQSE6mrjeyptg&s=19
I think that automatically elevates it to "aggravated" communication
Post by: Institutional Control on April 28, 2023, 01:19:42 PM
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]Houston criminal defense attorney Grant Scheiner, who’s not affiliated with the case, said that under state laws related to protection of property, Aguirre’s attorney will likely be able to make an argument that the use of deadly force was justified.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 29, 2023, 12:52:11 AM
Post by: mocat on April 29, 2023, 11:45:18 AM
Post by: Spracne on April 29, 2023, 01:05:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on April 29, 2023, 01:19:19 PM
If he gets convicted, I’m confident Greg will do the right thing
https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/659427797853536256
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on April 29, 2023, 03:00:43 PM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1652331953448730624?t=I5YzRPuCt6wz9VOByDRVTw&s=19Watering the Tree of Liberty, etc …
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 01, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1652331953448730624?t=I5YzRPuCt6wz9VOByDRVTw&s=19
https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1652783731290013696
It's really a damned shame that tree couldn't finish the job on Greg.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 10:20:41 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 10:23:21 AM
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1652331953448730624?t=I5YzRPuCt6wz9VOByDRVTw&s=19
https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1652783731290013696
It's really a damned shame that tree couldn't finish the job on Greg.
What a rough ridin' piece of crap
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 11:32:46 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 01, 2023, 11:53:48 AM
Post by: Spracne on May 01, 2023, 12:05:16 PM
We're really not mad at the illegal immigrant killer, we're mad at Greg Abbott and the gun . . . #blueanongE :thumbsup:
Don't you think he could have just said "people" instead of "illegal immigrants"?
Post by: sys on May 01, 2023, 12:07:13 PM
https://twitter.com/cespina1998/status/1652879068168159233
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 12:23:28 PM
We're really not mad at the illegal immigrant killer, we're mad at Greg Abbott and the gun . . . #blueanongE :thumbsup:
Don't you think he could have just said "people" instead of "illegal immigrants"?
Sure, do you think that the border states are tired of trying to deal with all of this on their own?
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 01:22:11 PM
We're really not mad at the illegal immigrant killer, we're mad at Greg Abbott and the gun . . . #blueanongE :thumbsup:
Don't you think he could have just said "people" instead of "illegal immigrants"?
Sure, do you think that the border states are tired of trying to deal with all of this on their own?
Having to deal with what, murders by illegal immigrants?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2023, 01:25:26 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 01, 2023, 01:33:04 PM
I think he meant people just trying to live their life in peace
Exactly. That poor man was just trying to fire his rifle up into the sky in peace, and some people who looked like they might be illegal immigrants asked him to stop doing that. What else could he have done?
Post by: star seed 7 on May 01, 2023, 01:38:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 01:49:17 PM
We're really not mad at the illegal immigrant killer, we're mad at Greg Abbott and the gun . . . #blueanongE :thumbsup:
Don't you think he could have just said "people" instead of "illegal immigrants"?
Sure, do you think that the border states are tired of trying to deal with all of this on their own?
Having to deal with what, murders by illegal immigrants?
JoeXi's inability to secure the border and all the problems that go with it.
Again, you guys are mad as hell at Abbott and the gun more than you are the murderer.
Rage and StalkerBot.7 immediately go full derp, which is absolutely #onbrand
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 05:31:46 PM
So yeah, you're right.
Now you want to tell me why you care so much about the immigration status of these people? Texas has actively allowed all citizens, legal or otherwise, to carry weapons used to murder others.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 09:32:25 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 01, 2023, 09:42:09 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 09:47:19 PM
Blinks, Jake Sullivan, Alejandro "we lost 85,000 plus kids and we don't really know who they're with" Mayorkas, and Victoria "war always follows" Nuland round out a good portion of the Top 10 crap stains.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 01, 2023, 09:51:35 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 09:54:35 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 10:05:38 PM
so funny how vigorously you all defend/detest politicians.. they are all just talking heads dudes
I wanna try to be nice but this take, in this very specific instance we are discussing, is possibly the dumbest crap ever posted in this thread. Did you miss that were taking about the governor of a state that has undoubtedly has strong influence over his state's gun laws? Did you miss the same guy call a child murder victim an illegal alien simply because he has a Hispanic name, even though he's an American citizen?
We should just shrug off your ill informed comment as someone chiming in who hasn't read anything about this topic. However, frankly it wouldn't have cost you a thing to shut the eff up and take the time you took to post that insane drivel and read something about topic. Dax and I don't agree on the topic because he's a boot licking authoritarian bigot, but at least he reads things to affirm his shitty opinions. You didn't have anything to offer but instead of learning something or keeping it moving, you posted some stupid crap. Good job, bud.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 01, 2023, 10:08:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 10:09:53 PM
You also can’t reconcile yourself to the reality that the murderer shouldn’t have been in this country to begin with.
MIR is 1000% an insane proglib who supports insane proglib politicians who have this weird domestic authoritarian social issue complex/hegemonic foreign policy hybrid thing going that’s straight out of whack a doo world.
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 10:11:40 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 10:15:29 PM
You wrote a screed because I affirmed the reality that you’re more pissed off because a governor didn’t use the right words to describe a murderer, then you are at the murderer himself.You didn't affirm anything, dickhead, I did. Also the screed, as you call it, clearly didn't have a rough ridin' thing to do with you. y_l_a can and clearly should take credit for that. Is your thing here just to get attention? Are you hurt that you don't have the ability, anymore, to stir anything in any poster here but eye rolls?
You also can’t reconcile yourself to the reality that the murderer shouldn’t have been in this country to begin with.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 10:16:32 PM
My edit addition is 1000% you and LMAO if you think I care about attention.You wrote a screed because I affirmed the reality that you’re more pissed off because a governor didn’t use the right words to describe a murderer, then you are at the murderer himself.You didn't affirm anything, dickhead, I did. Also the screed, as you call it, clearly didn't have a rough ridin' thing to do with you. y_l_a can and clearly should take credit for that. Is your thing here just to get attention? Are you hurt that you don't have the ability, anymore, to stir anything in any poster here but eye rolls?
You also can’t reconcile yourself to the reality that the murderer shouldn’t have been in this country to begin with.
I forgot to mention you also support the party that is the new home of the #neocons and is 1000% owned by crap stirring American (and foreign) oligarchs
Post by: MakeItRain on May 01, 2023, 10:16:47 PM
Grag Abbott wants to pardon a man that just got convicted of first degree murder. He's more than a talking head.
I bet you $10 he won't go look up what you've mentioned here.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 01, 2023, 10:19:15 PM
Post by: Trim on May 01, 2023, 10:29:26 PM
Being mad at abbott is relevant because he’s an elected politician. The reward or consequence to him is almost entirely dependent on if the population is mad at him.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 02, 2023, 07:10:30 AM
And you proved my point.. he’s just a talking head and also uninformed like a majority of politicians. Carry on, budso funny how vigorously you all defend/detest politicians.. they are all just talking heads dudes
I wanna try to be nice but this take, in this very specific instance we are discussing, is possibly the dumbest crap ever posted in this thread. Did you miss that were taking about the governor of a state that has undoubtedly has strong influence over his state's gun laws? Did you miss the same guy call a child murder victim an illegal alien simply because he has a Hispanic name, even though he's an American citizen?
We should just shrug off your ill informed comment as someone chiming in who hasn't read anything about this topic. However, frankly it wouldn't have cost you a thing to shut the eff up and take the time you took to post that insane drivel and read something about topic. Dax and I don't agree on the topic because he's a boot licking authoritarian bigot, but at least he reads things to affirm his shitty opinions. You didn't have anything to offer but instead of learning something or keeping it moving, you posted some stupid crap. Good job, bud.
Post by: mocat on May 02, 2023, 07:14:30 AM
Post by: michigancat on May 02, 2023, 07:16:04 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on May 02, 2023, 07:27:56 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on May 02, 2023, 08:11:06 AM
They’re just pushing narratives dudes and dudettes. Most are just Ron Burgundy at the end of the day
most of them very well might be. But as has been pointed out several times, in this specific case, Greg Abbott is not just a fictional anchorman from the 70s. Some of the most restrictive
Post by: MakeItRain on May 02, 2023, 08:53:20 AM
I know exactly what he’s talking about you triggered derp
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU! :ROFL: try for three seconds not to be an attention whore
Post by: Kat Kid on May 02, 2023, 08:56:16 AM
Being mad at the shooter is irrelevant. Any justice he’s brought to will be the result of the criminal justice system, not whether the population is mad at him or not.
Being mad at abbott is relevant because he’s an elected politician. The reward or consequence to him is almost entirely dependent on if the population is mad at him.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 02, 2023, 10:30:00 AM
I know exactly what he’s talking about you triggered derp
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU! :ROFL: try for three seconds not to be an attention whore
:lol:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 02, 2023, 10:32:03 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 02, 2023, 10:39:02 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 02, 2023, 12:16:40 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 02, 2023, 12:44:20 PM
Yeah. God tried to kill him, but the tree just wasn't heavy enough.
you could say it fell short
Post by: Kat Kid on May 02, 2023, 05:55:48 PM
Society being mad at murderers is irrelevant . . . Trim and #blueanongE :thumbsup:People that build lives around vengeance and anger will always have plenty of opportunity to put those skills to work. People that build lives around forgiveness and mercy will always have plenty of opportunity to put those skills to work too.
Societies are just collections of people and it is pretty clear what our choice continues to be.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on May 02, 2023, 06:04:27 PM
Society being mad at murderers is irrelevant . . . Trim and #blueanongE :thumbsup:People that build lives around vengeance and anger will always have plenty of opportunity to put those skills to work. People that build lives around forgiveness and mercy will always have plenty of opportunity to put those skills to work too.
Societies are just collections of people and it is pretty clear what our choice continues to be.
Oh KK that's so cryptic even the NSA is struggling with it.
Post by: Spracne on May 02, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Society being mad at murderers is irrelevant . . . Trim and #blueanongE :thumbsup:People that build lives around vengeance and anger will always have plenty of opportunity to put those skills to work. People that build lives around forgiveness and mercy will always have plenty of opportunity to put those skills to work too.
Societies are just collections of people and it is pretty clear what our choice continues to be.
Very well put, KK. <3
Post by: Trim on May 03, 2023, 09:02:30 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on May 03, 2023, 10:10:20 AM
They caught the killer, despite the levels of mad and at whom.
Yet somehow this won't stop the mass shootings in Texas, probably going to be quite a while before another immigrant or trans person carries one out though so dakkk and Greg Abbott can go back to not giving a crap.
Post by: Institutional Control on June 23, 2023, 09:02:23 AM
Post by: wetwillie on June 23, 2023, 09:23:52 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 23, 2023, 10:42:14 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 23, 2023, 10:47:04 AM
They caught the killer, despite the levels of mad and at whom.
Yet somehow this won't stop the mass shootings in Texas, probably going to be quite a while before another immigrant or trans person carries one out though so dakkk and Greg Abbott can go back to not giving a crap.
This from the same dude who considers discussing black on black gun violence racist.
The same dude who when a white person commits a mass murder is shitting all over this board, but it's nothing but crickets as the laundry list of POC/alternative lifestyle mass shooters grows and grows.
I've also repeatedly said I am all for stricter gun laws you simp brain
Post by: MakeItRain on September 12, 2023, 02:52:20 PM
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1701681090698572049
Post by: Phil Titola on October 06, 2023, 10:15:34 AM
Post by: catastrophe on October 06, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/owasso-man-pleads-killing-uncle-225913442.html
I don't believe that story at all.
Post by: Spracne on October 06, 2023, 01:45:20 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/owasso-man-pleads-killing-uncle-225913442.html
I don't believe that story at all.
Same. I don't believe that Oklahoma has multiple U.S. District Courts.
Post by: IPA4Me on October 06, 2023, 02:26:22 PM
Post by: bucket on November 23, 2023, 07:15:39 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 23, 2023, 09:39:09 PM
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1727832806443671683
They draw all our attention to the south and then the real invasion comes from the north
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 14, 2024, 04:36:53 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on February 14, 2024, 05:24:02 PM
Post by: mocat on February 14, 2024, 08:17:42 PM
The "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
which one do you think we'll get?
#KCSTRONG or #CHIEFSTRONG
Post by: Trim on February 14, 2024, 08:46:15 PM
The "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
which one do you think we'll get?
#KCSTRONG or #CHIEFSTRONG
https://x.com/kstatesports/status/1757930216586883404
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2024, 09:27:39 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2024, 09:28:58 PM
I'm not usually this guy but you pop off a gun at an event with hundreds of thousands including tens of thousands of children, you are fair game to be beat to death on the spot.
... if reasonably necessary to prevent death or serious bodily harm of another ...
Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2024, 09:34:36 PM
I'm not usually this guy but you pop off a gun at an event with hundreds of thousands including tens of thousands of children, you are fair game to be beat to death on the spot.
... if reasonably necessary to prevent death or serious bodily harm of another ...
To paraphrase Munch from Fargo S5, his life is forfeit
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2024, 09:47:13 PM
Define “reasonably necessary ” for us SpracsI'm not usually this guy but you pop off a gun at an event with hundreds of thousands including tens of thousands of children, you are fair game to be beat to death on the spot.
... if reasonably necessary to prevent death or serious bodily harm of another ...
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Post by: star seed 7 on February 14, 2024, 09:49:22 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2024, 09:56:30 PM
Define “reasonably necessary ” for us SpracsI'm not usually this guy but you pop off a gun at an event with hundreds of thousands including tens of thousands of children, you are fair game to be beat to death on the spot.
... if reasonably necessary to prevent death or serious bodily harm of another ...
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It's a legal test. I could easily do it, but I find it mighty more satisfying to tell you to go eff yourself, so that's where I'm going at the moment.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 14, 2024, 10:07:42 PM
Not much of a definitionDefine “reasonably necessary ” for us SpracsI'm not usually this guy but you pop off a gun at an event with hundreds of thousands including tens of thousands of children, you are fair game to be beat to death on the spot.
... if reasonably necessary to prevent death or serious bodily harm of another ...
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It's a legal test. I could easily do it, but I find it mighty more satisfying to tell you to go eff yourself, so that's where I'm going at the moment.
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Post by: Spracne on February 14, 2024, 10:28:39 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 14, 2024, 11:36:17 PM
Post by: nicname on February 15, 2024, 12:05:17 AM
I’m not a gun guy, but in a world of swords, I’d probably be a sword guy. Some guys would prob be carrying bow and arrows. Some guys prob with like a full arsenal; swords, bows and arrows, maybe a battle axe and some throwing stars and a pair of daggers.
Just walking around strapped.
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 12:11:23 AM
What would a world with no guns look like? Like instead of guns dudes had swords and the like.
I’m not a gun guy, but in a world of swords, I’d probably be a sword guy. Some guys would prob be carrying bow and arrows. Some guys prob with like a full arsenal; swords, bows and arrows, maybe a battle axe and some throwing stars and a pair of daggers.
Just walking around strapped.
It's unlikely they'd be able to kill 50-some-odd people with a bump stock.
Post by: OB_Won on February 15, 2024, 01:38:45 AM
It’d also take a hell of a lot more courage than spreading bullets through a retreating crowd before going out in a blaze of glory.What would a world with no guns look like? Like instead of guns dudes had swords and the like.
I’m not a gun guy, but in a world of swords, I’d probably be a sword guy. Some guys would prob be carrying bow and arrows. Some guys prob with like a full arsenal; swords, bows and arrows, maybe a battle axe and some throwing stars and a pair of daggers.
Just walking around strapped.
It's unlikely they'd be able to kill 50-some-odd people with a bump stock.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 08:56:00 AM
*sigh* There's the "reasonable" part, which is a so-called objective standard based on the legal fiction of the Reasonable Man. And then there's the subjective part, which relates to the harm perceived by a person. You put them both together, and BOOM, you have an objective-subjective test.
Any legal textbook could have told us that.
Post by: hjfklmor on February 15, 2024, 08:58:19 AM
*sigh* There's the "reasonable" part, which is a so-called objective standard based on the legal fiction of the Reasonable Man. And then there's the subjective part, which relates to the harm perceived by a person. You put them both together, and BOOM, you have an objective-subjective test.
Any legal textbook could have told us that.
and yet, you asked.
Post by: nicname on February 15, 2024, 09:13:34 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 09:32:29 AM
*sigh* There's the "reasonable" part, which is a so-called objective standard based on the legal fiction of the Reasonable Man. And then there's the subjective part, which relates to the harm perceived by a person. You put them both together, and BOOM, you have an objective-subjective test.
Any legal textbook could have told us that.
and yet, you asked.
I asked spracs, not a textbook
Post by: star seed 7 on February 15, 2024, 10:40:19 AM
*sigh* There's the "reasonable" part, which is a so-called objective standard based on the legal fiction of the Reasonable Man. And then there's the subjective part, which relates to the harm perceived by a person. You put them both together, and BOOM, you have an objective-subjective test.
Any legal textbook could have told us that.
and yet, you asked.
Dax has always had a tenuous grasp of the question-answer dynamic
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 12:26:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 12:28:28 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2024, 12:32:55 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 12:36:10 PM
Post by: 'taterblast on February 15, 2024, 12:40:47 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on February 15, 2024, 12:44:58 PM
In one Star photo I saw an AR style rifle . . . certainly one of them wasn't walking around with an AR style rifle and no one noticed, right? That was a weapon carried by law enforcement and it was just laid up against a wall, right?
I saw a video of a woman picking that gun up right after the shooting occurred.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 12:52:58 PM
But it will forever remain fascinating to me how it always immediately leaps to an entire narrative about guns, with no one stopping to ask what kind of mental state and belief system (or non belief system) drives individuals to act in such a psycho/sociopathic manner.
While I am being presumptive here, because law enforcement hasn't told us what the motives. By some accounts this was just disagreement or dust up between individuals.
Who loads up guns in a back pack, takes them to a parade and has a mindset that if someone pisses me off, I am going to start throwing lead? Gun laws aside, that is worthy of a strident and in depth inquiry.
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 12:56:15 PM
Standard but still required disclaimer: I'm all for tougher gun laws.
But it will forever remain fascinating to me how it always immediately leaps to an entire narrative about guns, with no one stopping to ask what kind of mental state and belief system (or non belief system) drives individuals to act in such a psycho/sociopathic manner.
While I am being presumptive here, because law enforcement hasn't told us what the motives. By some accounts this was just disagreement or dust up between individuals.
Who loads up guns in a back pack, takes them to a parade and has a mindset that if someone pisses me off, I am going to start throwing lead? Gun laws aside, that is worthy of a strident and in depth inquiry.
Ok. Fair enough. I just wish they had their disagreement without guns.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 01:01:58 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 01:03:30 PM
No one has you confused with a pro 2A guy, Spracs
I am pro all of the Constitution. That amendment has been misconstrued. Go read The Federalist No. 46, written by that pinko commie James Madison.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 01:05:49 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 01:07:19 PM
I don't need to Spracs . . . I am not anything remotely close to an anything goes 2A guy. As I've made clear on numerous occasions on this blog.
So you're a "I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin' ..." guy?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 01:09:19 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 15, 2024, 01:13:04 PM
That doesn't make any sense.
While I appreciate your willingness to support more gun laws, you sure did equivocate a lot in the response I quoted. That's what I meant. And it made sense.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 01:19:56 PM
Which is 1000% #onbrand.
edited for content (noted because #blueanongE is extremely anal and weird about editing posts)
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 15, 2024, 05:17:26 PM
i doubt very much that they needed to go through the exercise of examining the mental state of the people who experienced negative outcomes as a result of their use of cocaine, heroin, or methamphetamine...sometimes its just as simple as some things are too dangerous to just let people have with little more than titular regulations/restrictions to serve as the guard rails.
a similar type of thing happened with speed limits on roadways when vehicles would get into too many accidents and some brainiac thought "huh, we might just need to place limits on how fast someone can lawfully drive on this roadway because if people are left to their own devices they will keep getting into accidents". didn't really have a whole lot to do with the mental fitness of the person driving the car, in fact i'm quite sure the "mental health of the driver" factor did not come into play at all, even a little bit, when they decided to impose speed limits.
there are so many more instances of stuff like this happening i could go on and on but i think you get the idea
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 05:50:56 PM
Post by: LickNeckey on February 15, 2024, 08:49:14 PM
i think it was maybe 6 score and 7 years ago that like, pretty much anyone could just like...have cocaine, or heroin, or methamphetamine, if they wanted it. And then after that social experiment ran for a while the government was like "huh...these things might be a little too powerful to just let people have them free of any regulation."
i doubt very much that they needed to go through the exercise of examining the mental state of the people who experienced negative outcomes as a result of their use of cocaine, heroin, or methamphetamine...sometimes its just as simple as some things are too dangerous to just let people have with little more than titular regulations/restrictions to serve as the guard rails.
a similar type of thing happened with speed limits on roadways when vehicles would get into too many accidents and some brainiac thought "huh, we might just need to place limits on how fast someone can lawfully drive on this roadway because if people are left to their own devices they will keep getting into accidents". didn't really have a whole lot to do with the mental fitness of the person driving the car, in fact i'm quite sure the "mental health of the driver" factor did not come into play at all, even a little bit, when they decided to impose speed limits.
there are so many more instances of stuff like this happening i could go on and on but i think you get the idea
what on earth is this
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 15, 2024, 08:57:21 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 15, 2024, 09:01:16 PM
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Post by: mocat on February 15, 2024, 10:28:13 PM
The "_______ Strong" things are super cringe to me
which one do you think we'll get?
#KCSTRONG or #CHIEFSTRONG
https://x.com/kstatesports/status/1757930216586883404
these resourceful cops took "rearranging deck chairs on the titanic" and turned it into an art medium. One of the strongest "____ STRONG" installations i've ever seen
https://twitter.com/kmbc/status/1758216596877721681?t=KSznO-phaY5i9CeEq3xgeA&s=19
Post by: Trim on February 15, 2024, 10:48:54 PM
Post by: deputy dawg on February 16, 2024, 09:55:39 AM
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/kansas-city-shooting-1-dead-21-injured-3-suspects-arrested/
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 16, 2024, 10:13:39 AM
Post by: Trim on February 16, 2024, 05:14:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1758562062756630594
Post by: turnbull on February 19, 2024, 07:19:36 PM
Like it or not, Guns are politicized, Don't politicize a tragedy is always the comment after a shooting but that is to try to change the subject that we are really the only country where this happens in the civilized world...but hey look at the GOP, they've practically sexualized guns, send them out on Christmas cards, and wear AR-15 Lapel pins.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 19, 2024, 08:08:21 PM
A little late, but....
Like it or not, Guns are politicized, Don't politicize a tragedy is always the comment after a shooting but that is to try to change the subject that we are really the only country where this happens in the civilized world...but hey look at the GOP, they've practically sexualized guns, send them out on Christmas cards, and wear AR-15 Lapel pins.
Yeah, too many of us are terrible for anything to ever be done. At this point, every time a gun but I know offers thoughts and prayers or mentions mental health after a shooting, I just tell them that I don't give a crap about those dead kids either, and talk about something else. It's way less exhausting and no less productive.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 26, 2024, 01:53:16 PM
A little late, but....
Like it or not, Guns are politicized, Don't politicize a tragedy is always the comment after a shooting but that is to try to change the subject that we are really the only country where this happens in the civilized world...but hey look at the GOP, they've practically sexualized guns, send them out on Christmas cards, and wear AR-15 Lapel pins.
Just finished listening to a podcast from Jason Kander. It's time to reframe this conversation. What I found both intriguing and hopeful from this podcast was about the history of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, PLCAA, and how repealing PLCAA could turn the corner on gun control in this country. That being said, I harbor no faith that the Dems would get this done if they took Congress and maintained the white house, after all, they had the chance to repeal this under Obama, as they also had the chance to codify Roe. Anyway, I found this very interesting. Everything before 27:00 is background on Kander, 27:00 and after is talk about PLCAA and how the gun companies could be forced to reform.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G111As34QPg&t=1625s
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2024, 07:22:32 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ai-weapon-detection-company-seeks-prevent-school-other-shootings-a-proactive-measure
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 07, 2024, 08:54:45 AM
Post by: OB_Won on March 07, 2024, 09:12:18 AM
They went into a "soft lockdown" at my kids' school yesterday because someone had a medical situation in a bathroom so they wanted everyone out of the hallways while paramedics attended to the sick student. This just retraumatizes kids over and over (they just assumed someone was coming into the school to slaughter them). My kid's history teacher explained to the class how she has filing cabinets positioned so that they can rapidly barricade the door and towels ready to protect the students' hands if they leave the building thru broken windows. I have another kid whose kindergarten class was taught to arm themselves with scissors or hide on top of a toilet in the bathroom during an "intruder drill". Grownups (the legislators who refuse to do anything meaningful to stop gun violence) are failing our kids so badly. It is incredibly messed up.It is so unbelievably frustrating that roughly half our government refuses to take even the slightest steps toward what every other country in the world has figured out. Don’t put me on a watch list, because I’m not advocating violence, but I think the only way they change is if the problem comes to them. Otherwise they’ll gladly keep accepting the bribes…I mean campaign contributions.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 07, 2024, 10:28:00 AM
At some point, we need to acknowledge that the second amendment wasn't intended as a suicide pact but for now, most people seem just fine with having the highest rates of gun deaths in the developed world. There has been horrific gun violence in red states like TX (Uvalde), TN (Covenant school) and KS (Hesston) but it hasn't moved the needle a bit.They went into a "soft lockdown" at my kids' school yesterday because someone had a medical situation in a bathroom so they wanted everyone out of the hallways while paramedics attended to the sick student. This just retraumatizes kids over and over (they just assumed someone was coming into the school to slaughter them). My kid's history teacher explained to the class how she has filing cabinets positioned so that they can rapidly barricade the door and towels ready to protect the students' hands if they leave the building thru broken windows. I have another kid whose kindergarten class was taught to arm themselves with scissors or hide on top of a toilet in the bathroom during an "intruder drill". Grownups (the legislators who refuse to do anything meaningful to stop gun violence) are failing our kids so badly. It is incredibly messed up.It is so unbelievably frustrating that roughly half our government refuses to take even the slightest steps toward what every other country in the world has figured out. Don’t put me on a watch list, because I’m not advocating violence, but I think the only way they change is if the problem comes to them. Otherwise they’ll gladly keep accepting the bribes…I mean campaign contributions.
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2024, 10:32:32 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 07, 2024, 10:51:47 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on March 07, 2024, 11:01:54 AM
They went into a "soft lockdown" at my kids' school yesterday because someone had a medical situation in a bathroom so they wanted everyone out of the hallways while paramedics attended to the sick student. This just retraumatizes kids over and over (they just assumed someone was coming into the school to slaughter them). My kid's history teacher explained to the class how she has filing cabinets positioned so that they can rapidly barricade the door and towels ready to protect the students' hands if they leave the building thru broken windows. I have another kid whose kindergarten class was taught to arm themselves with scissors or hide on top of a toilet in the bathroom during an "intruder drill". Grownups (the legislators who refuse to do anything meaningful to stop gun violence) are failing our kids so badly. It is incredibly messed up.
In what school are they teaching kids to arm themselves with scissors?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 07, 2024, 11:54:50 AM
At my kids' school about 5 years ago. Administration got feedback from parents that this was traumatizing to kids so they stopped that aspect of "intruder drills" but the drills go on in other forms. As recently as last year, my kid was told that she should hide behind the door of the bathroom stall if there is an "intruder situation." She instinctively knows how pointless it would be to try and protect herself from a psychopath with a rifle using a bathroom stall door.They went into a "soft lockdown" at my kids' school yesterday because someone had a medical situation in a bathroom so they wanted everyone out of the hallways while paramedics attended to the sick student. This just retraumatizes kids over and over (they just assumed someone was coming into the school to slaughter them). My kid's history teacher explained to the class how she has filing cabinets positioned so that they can rapidly barricade the door and towels ready to protect the students' hands if they leave the building thru broken windows. I have another kid whose kindergarten class was taught to arm themselves with scissors or hide on top of a toilet in the bathroom during an "intruder drill". Grownups (the legislators who refuse to do anything meaningful to stop gun violence) are failing our kids so badly. It is incredibly messed up.
In what school are they teaching kids to arm themselves with scissors?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on March 07, 2024, 11:57:23 AM
I have had 3 kids go through the same school and they know me very well but I still have to show an id before they will buzz me in.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 21, 2024, 08:56:13 AM
https://twitter.com/K12ssdb/status/1770810534494957851?s=20
Post by: CNS on March 21, 2024, 10:09:35 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 25, 2024, 11:56:31 AM
https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1772298720811323450?s=20
Post by: LickNeckey on March 25, 2024, 12:37:53 PM
Post by: MadCat on March 25, 2024, 12:38:11 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on March 25, 2024, 12:59:06 PM
It feels like this would be a case for criminal negligence :dunno:Agreed. My pistol is always in a holster unless I'm cleaning or shooting. These dumbfucks need to feel real consequences.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 25, 2024, 01:14:39 PM
It feels like this would be a case for criminal negligence :dunno:I would be shocked if the mom faces any charges but heavy penalties for negligent homicide in cases like this should be part of common sense gun reform.
We have had two youths in our community die from suicides that were completed with their guardians' unsecured firearms in the last year and zero charges have resulted.
Post by: catastrophe on March 25, 2024, 02:02:21 PM
It feels like this would be a case for criminal negligence :dunno:Are you suggesting that we INFRINGE the right of this American patriot to have a handgun locked and loaded to respond to any threat (real or perceived) at a moment’s notice? Which is a real scenario that actually plays out other than in MAGA’s wet dreams?
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2024, 05:33:20 AM
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2024, 09:01:08 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
Dying in prison is kind of a cheat mode for when you're old and didn't save for retirement.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 17, 2024, 09:21:07 AM
It feels like this would be a case for criminal negligence :dunno:I would be shocked if the mom faces any charges but heavy penalties for negligent homicide in cases like this should be part of common sense gun reform.
We have had two youths in our community die from suicides that were completed with their guardians' unsecured firearms in the last year and zero charges have resulted.
Not to be glib but the suffering she is going through rn is more than the law can impose.
Post by: wetwillie on April 17, 2024, 09:56:36 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
I'm not a regular Uber user, how did this scammer manage to get an Uber driver to go to a residence to "pickup a package"?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 17, 2024, 10:04:00 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
I'm not a regular Uber user, how did this scammer manage to get an Uber driver to go to a residence to "pickup a package"?
apparently the passenger can be a parcel and the drop off destination can be the post office or ups store etc. Not sure if that's a common use for uber but man, if i was an uber driver i would absolutely decline what appears to be running someone's errands.
Post by: 8manpick on April 17, 2024, 10:09:40 AM
Post by: CNS on April 17, 2024, 10:09:53 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
I'm not a regular Uber user, how did this scammer manage to get an Uber driver to go to a residence to "pickup a package"?
I feel old as I ask myself, "Is this how Uber works?"
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 17, 2024, 10:21:47 AM
Have you heard of DoorDash?
fair, i guess for those types of services i think the scope is limited to a few specific things. pick up (from a verified grocery store) and deliver my groceries. pick up (from a verified restaurant) and deliver my food. Do that dabble in the nebulous stuff like "hey go to this address and pick up this thing and deliver it to here" i mean i would guess 19 times out of 20 that is moving drugs
full disclosure, i rarely use these types of services and i am very uneducated in what all is allowed.
Post by: catastrophe on April 17, 2024, 10:42:02 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
I'm not a regular Uber user, how did this scammer manage to get an Uber driver to go to a residence to "pickup a package"?
apparently the passenger can be a parcel and the drop off destination can be the post office or ups store etc. Not sure if that's a common use for uber but man, if i was an uber driver i would absolutely decline what appears to be running someone's errands.
I view being a private postman as more dignified than chauffer.
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2024, 10:44:31 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
I'm not a regular Uber user, how did this scammer manage to get an Uber driver to go to a residence to "pickup a package"?
Uber has something that used to be called Uber Connect but is called something else now (Package?). It's basically a courier service. I've used it before.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 17, 2024, 10:46:18 AM
Post by: CNS on April 17, 2024, 10:47:29 AM
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-uber-driver-fatally-shot-2efec12816a9a40934a6a7524e20e613
81 yr old dude gets phone scammed and decides to shoot the Uber driver the scammer sent to collect the money
I'm not a regular Uber user, how did this scammer manage to get an Uber driver to go to a residence to "pickup a package"?
apparently the passenger can be a parcel and the drop off destination can be the post office or ups store etc. Not sure if that's a common use for uber but man, if i was an uber driver i would absolutely decline what appears to be running someone's errands.
I view being a private postman as more dignified than chauffer.
I used to send and receive tons of stuff weekly from local private couriers. Think crap box cars, members only style jackets, mustache w no beard, no name cigs, and dirty hair. This was 20 yrs ago. These guys were trailblazers for the current version of cool.
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2024, 10:50:16 AM
Don't you need to have a name/address to deliver a package?
Yes. It's all tracked, not anonymous.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2024, 10:51:41 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 17, 2024, 01:36:13 PM
Am I to believe that "Big apple" cat has never seen a bike messenger?
a guy on a fixie w/ a tube slung over his shoulder weaving in and out of traffic had not even crossed my mind.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2024, 03:09:21 PM
Don't you need to have a name/address to deliver a package?
Yes. It's all tracked, not anonymous.
Unless you're a scammer and use stolen credit cards
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2024, 03:10:07 PM
Don't you need to have a name/address to deliver a package?
Yes. It's all tracked, not anonymous.
Unless you're a scammer and use stolen credit cards
The pickup and drop-off locations are still required.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 17, 2024, 03:24:43 PM
Don't you need to have a name/address to deliver a package?
Yes. It's all tracked, not anonymous.
Unless you're a scammer and use stolen credit cards
yeah but how do I get my scammed money? No uber driver is going to do a ransom drop under a park bench.
Post by: wetwillie on April 17, 2024, 03:29:40 PM
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2024, 03:40:31 PM
I would think Uber might bear some legal culpability on this front if their medium was used as a mechanism for fraud that got someone killed.
You might think that ...
Post by: star seed 7 on April 17, 2024, 04:06:18 PM
Don't you need to have a name/address to deliver a package?
Yes. It's all tracked, not anonymous.
Unless you're a scammer and use stolen credit cards
yeah but how do I get my scammed money? No uber driver is going to do a ransom drop under a park bench.
You mail it or something, I dunno. My specialty is getting away with murder, not scamming.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on April 17, 2024, 04:50:43 PM
I would think Uber might bear some legal culpability on this front if their medium was used as a mechanism for fraud that got someone killed.
independent contractor, etc etc
Post by: catastrophe on April 17, 2024, 05:21:46 PM
Post by: CNS on April 17, 2024, 05:34:03 PM
I would think Uber might bear some legal culpability on this front if their medium was used as a mechanism for fraud that got someone killed.
You might think that ...
A couple years ago Uber came out and said they would no longer be allowing their drivers to drop off and pick up kids for school if parents weren't in the car. I always assumed this was for similar reasons. Makes me think that Uber this they may share culpability as well.
Post by: wetwillie on April 17, 2024, 06:01:09 PM
Post by: Spracne on April 17, 2024, 08:48:59 PM
Another thing that kind of shocks me is that this Uber driver lady couldn't talk the old man out of shooting her. Like here is my phone and my wallet I'm going to sit on the ground here and you can call the cops and we will figure this whole thing out.
Sir (coming to me with tears in his eyes) ...
https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY?si=y3WQ_UtSoPrcOaTG
Post by: Brock Landers on April 17, 2024, 09:12:22 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on April 18, 2024, 05:36:57 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 18, 2024, 08:41:51 AM
I would think Uber might bear some legal culpability on this front if their medium was used as a mechanism for fraud that got someone killed.
You might think that ...
A couple years ago Uber came out and said they would no longer be allowing their drivers to drop off and pick up kids for school if parents weren't in the car. I always assumed this was for similar reasons. Makes me think that Uber this they may share culpability as well.
Not to go all lawyer here but how does a ride share app have any culpability for the old man's killing/embarrassed for getting grifted boner?
Post by: wetwillie on April 18, 2024, 08:56:35 AM
Post by: catastrophe on April 18, 2024, 09:06:50 AM
Do they get held legally responsible when one of the independent contractors commits a crime? Was thinking they have in the past but I could be wrong. In this instance it appears they don't know who their customer is and allowed their service to be used in pursuit of fraud that resulted in one of their independent contractors getting killed.I don’t know how any specific lawsuits have worked out, but I know Uber has said it is a technology company, not a service company. Basically their platform exists to put in touch people who need something with people who are willing to do it for a price. So they’d argue their culpability is the same as Facebook or Match if someone murdered a person they met on there.
It makes some sense but there’s clearly a “come on” factor.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 18, 2024, 09:11:17 AM
Do they get held legally responsible when one of the independent contractors commits a crime? Was thinking they have in the past but I could be wrong. In this instance it appears they don't know who their customer is and allowed their service to be used in pursuit of fraud that resulted in one of their independent contractors getting killed.
It has happened but that's pretty different than this case. they literally never know who their customer is. they know their customer has a cellphone and a credit card, that's usually it.
Post by: CNS on April 18, 2024, 09:31:58 AM
I would think Uber might bear some legal culpability on this front if their medium was used as a mechanism for fraud that got someone killed.
You might think that ...
A couple years ago Uber came out and said they would no longer be allowing their drivers to drop off and pick up kids for school if parents weren't in the car. I always assumed this was for similar reasons. Makes me think that Uber this they may share culpability as well.
Not to go all lawyer here but how does a ride share app have any culpability for the old man's killing/embarrassed for getting grifted boner?
I am unable to go all lawyer, as I am not one. So :dunno:
Just seems like instances like this, everyone gets sued and that results in companies not allowing certain activities. Figured they would have removed themselves from services that seem higher risk.
Post by: star seed 7 on April 18, 2024, 09:33:47 AM