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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2014, 10:29:21 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.

I think athletes should get a cut of their likeness but not get it until they have exhausted their eligibility

That'd be a better way to do it, definitely caters to the bigger fanbases, so still creates some inequality...but I do want kids to be paid commensurately for what they're worth.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2014, 10:31:57 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.

I think athletes should get a cut of their likeness but not get it until they have exhausted their eligibility
What if the kid can only make money from signatures, appearances, games during the time he's in college.  Most of them don't make it to the next level.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2014, 10:33:35 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2014, 10:33:47 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.
Isn't that the way it is now.  Hell we're doing it.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2014, 10:38:43 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.

I think athletes should get a cut of their likeness but not get it until they have exhausted their eligibility

That'd be a better way to do it, definitely caters to the bigger fanbases, so still creates some inequality...but I do want kids to be paid commensurately for what they're worth.

The current system already favors bigger fanbases.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2014, 10:43:09 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.

I think athletes should get a cut of their likeness but not get it until they have exhausted their eligibility

That'd be a better way to do it, definitely caters to the bigger fanbases, so still creates some inequality...but I do want kids to be paid commensurately for what they're worth.

The current system already favors bigger fanbases.
Yes, why else do the schools spent millions for athletic amenities.  Better recruits and bigger fanbases.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2014, 10:46:06 PM »
another quote:

"Being able to throw your future and scholarship away over pot or raping a girl is freedom too? Which is why they aren't mature enough yet to handle being paid on top of a free education!"
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 10:47:26 PM »
another quote:

"Being able to throw your future and scholarship away over pot or raping a girl is freedom too? Which is why they aren't mature enough yet to handle being paid on top of a free education!"

Who said that?

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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2014, 10:48:14 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2014, 10:49:16 PM »
another quote:

"Being able to throw your future and scholarship away over pot or raping a girl is freedom too? Which is why they aren't mature enough yet to handle being paid on top of a free education!"

Who said that?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2014, 10:51:08 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.

I think athletes should get a cut of their likeness but not get it until they have exhausted their eligibility
What if the kid can only make money from signatures, appearances, games during the time he's in college.  Most of them don't make it to the next level.

not sure what you mean here

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2014, 10:52:34 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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no. your assumptions are way rough ridin' wrong. at least they were when i was in school and i "assume" they still are.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2014, 10:56:31 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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no. your assumptions are way rough ridin' wrong. at least they were when i was in school and i "assume" they still are.

I shouldn't have used the word assumption there, what I posted is what I knew about athletes that I knew when I was in school. Also you made several good points in your counter argument that swayed my opinion, nice job.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2014, 11:08:56 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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no. your assumptions are way rough ridin' wrong. at least they were when i was in school and i "assume" they still are.

I shouldn't have used the word assumption there, what I posted is what I knew about athletes that I knew when I was in school. Also you made several good points in your counter argument that swayed my opinion, nice job.

i started to type something snarky and then stopped. do you or did you know 19 year olds at kstate that didn't receive parental support and weren't on some kind of scholarship but were still full time students?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 11:13:07 PM »
Any scenario in which full ride athletic scholarship kids think they're screwed is dumb. They can take out loans like the rest of us who lived outside our means in college and   didn't have academic scholarships, grants, or parents money. Otherwise go play euroball or amateur football where you don't get glory, fame, coeds, excellent coaching and strength trainning.  Oh and a free education, because you probably aren't going pro anyway.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2014, 11:15:09 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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no. your assumptions are way rough ridin' wrong. at least they were when i was in school and i "assume" they still are.

I shouldn't have used the word assumption there, what I posted is what I knew about athletes that I knew when I was in school. Also you made several good points in your counter argument that swayed my opinion, nice job.

i started to type something snarky and then stopped. do you or did you know 19 year olds at kstate that didn't receive parental support and weren't on some kind of scholarship but were still full time students?
Yeah and they all had jobs that paid them real money, unlike the athletes I knew who got paid in sweatpants, t shirts, and backpacks. Those things are hard to eat they also don't work well in gas tanks or for cell phone bill payments.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2014, 11:17:17 PM »
Any scenario in which full ride athletic scholarship kids think they're screwed is dumb. They can take out loans like the rest of us who lived outside our means in college and   didn't have academic scholarships, grants, or parents money. Otherwise go play euroball or amateur football where you don't get glory, fame, coeds, excellent coaching and strength trainning.  Oh and a free education, because you probably aren't going pro anyway.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 11:20:30 PM »
Any scenario in which full ride athletic scholarship kids think they're screwed is dumb. They can take out loans like the rest of us who lived outside our means in college and   didn't have academic scholarships, grants, or parents money. Otherwise go play euroball or amateur football where you don't get glory, fame, coeds, excellent coaching and strength trainning.  Oh and a free education, because you probably aren't going pro anyway.

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"coeds"

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2014, 11:21:41 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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yep

no. your assumptions are way rough ridin' wrong. at least they were when i was in school and i "assume" they still are.

I shouldn't have used the word assumption there, what I posted is what I knew about athletes that I knew when I was in school. Also you made several good points in your counter argument that swayed my opinion, nice job.

i started to type something snarky and then stopped. do you or did you know 19 year olds at kstate that didn't receive parental support and weren't on some kind of scholarship but were still full time students?
Yeah and they all had jobs that paid them real money, unlike the athletes I knew who got paid in sweatpants, t shirts, and backpacks. Those things are hard to eat they also don't work well in gas tanks or for cell phone bill payments.

what kind of grants did these people that you used to know get?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2014, 11:24:41 PM »
Question for you, MakeItRain: If you pay football/basketball players, do you pay rowers, cross country runners, etc? If no, how could you justify paying athletes of one or two sports and not the others?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2014, 11:28:11 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2014, 11:31:07 PM »
I'm not in everyone's pocket, but I'm assuming that if they got loans they filled out a fasfa and qualified for pell grants they accepted the pell. Are you going to get to the point, its getting late man?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2014, 11:34:15 PM »
Any scenario in which full ride athletic scholarship kids think they're screwed is dumb. They can take out loans like the rest of us who lived outside our means in college and   didn't have academic scholarships, grants, or parents money. Otherwise go play euroball or amateur football where you don't get glory, fame, coeds, excellent coaching and strength trainning.  Oh and a free education, because you probably aren't going pro anyway.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2014, 11:35:32 PM »
Question for you, MakeItRain: If you pay football/basketball players, do you pay rowers, cross country runners, etc? If no, how could you justify paying athletes of one or two sports and not the others?

I love Olympic sports, like a whole lot. All athletes should receive a stipend. Olympic sports athletes get screwed over worse than basketball and football players do. They have to do all of the work but most have partial scholarships, they work their asses off for their schools and I take it personally when they get disrespected.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2014, 11:38:00 PM »
Any scenario in which full ride athletic scholarship kids think they're screwed is dumb. They can take out loans like the rest of us who lived outside our means in college and   didn't have academic scholarships, grants, or parents money. Otherwise go play euroball or amateur football where you don't get glory, fame, coeds, excellent coaching and strength trainning.  Oh and a free education, because you probably aren't going pro anyway.

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relevance?