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people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« on: January 30, 2014, 07:10:02 PM »


With all the talk of unionization, should college athletes get paid?


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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 07:10:46 PM »
interesting you decided this thread to post this in.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 07:21:01 PM »
This will make or break schools before it's over.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 08:29:38 PM »
The rough life of a scholarship athlete  :Chirp:
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 08:45:48 PM »
The rough life of a scholarship athlete  :Chirp:

I've been waiting forever for this, are we gonna do it?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 08:50:43 PM »
The rough life of a scholarship athlete  :Chirp:

I've been waiting forever for this, are we gonna do it?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 09:00:13 PM »
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 09:07:56 PM »
The rough life of a scholarship athlete  :Chirp:

I've been waiting forever for this, are we gonna do it?

i'm game

This is a counter punch argument for me. I'm gonna Floyd Mayweather the crap outta this.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 09:18:13 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2014, 09:20:58 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 09:21:59 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment

so what

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2014, 09:22:39 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment

so what

i'm lazy.
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2014, 09:49:07 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment

so what

So what? GTFO guy. First of all their scholarship and stipend doesn't cover the full cost of being a college student. Their time commitment is so intensive that they cannot hold jobs, can't do much outside of a 10 hour work study. They are waking up at 6AM on random Thurdsays in July to lift weights. They are studying playbooks, watching film, etc. The time commitment is a very big deal, the game is their job, except they don't get paid.

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2014, 09:55:03 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment

so what

So what? GTFO guy. First of all their scholarship and stipend doesn't cover the full cost of being a college student. Their time commitment is so intensive that they cannot hold jobs, can't do much outside of a 10 hour work study. They are waking up at 6AM on random Thurdsays in July to lift weights. They are studying playbooks, watching film, etc. The time commitment is a very big deal, the game is their job, except they don't get paid.

Are there any stats about NCAA scholarship athletes getting out of college with significant debt? Like, if the Scholly and stipend don't cover it all, it would seem reasonable to assume some of these guys are ending up in debt

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2014, 10:09:51 PM »
Quote from moron:
"No, most schools cant afford to pay all of their athletes, maybe some top tier schools and thats it. Then high school players will all want to flock to these top tier schools, ruining college sports. It is not slavery, not even a close comparison. They get free education which can cost upwards of 50 grand a year."

Is he trying to say "BCS schools"?  This is why there will be another level for the schools that can pay this.  We know any school paying coaches and staff millions can very easily have some kind of support for the athletes. 
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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 10:10:56 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment

so what

So what? GTFO guy. First of all their scholarship and stipend doesn't cover the full cost of being a college student. Their time commitment is so intensive that they cannot hold jobs, can't do much outside of a 10 hour work study. They are waking up at 6AM on random Thurdsays in July to lift weights. They are studying playbooks, watching film, etc. The time commitment is a very big deal, the game is their job, except they don't get paid.

Are there any stats about NCAA scholarship athletes getting out of college with significant debt? Like, if the Scholly and stipend don't cover it all, it would seem reasonable to assume some of these guys are ending up in debt

You seriously think college athletes don't take out loans? You're trolling right? Do you think college athletes don't eat and pay rent and bills?

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2014, 10:12:31 PM »
Athletes get a pretty sweet deal IMO. Would take, personally.

the money is nice... but it's such a huge time commitment

so what

So what? GTFO guy. First of all their scholarship and stipend doesn't cover the full cost of being a college student. Their time commitment is so intensive that they cannot hold jobs, can't do much outside of a 10 hour work study. They are waking up at 6AM on random Thurdsays in July to lift weights. They are studying playbooks, watching film, etc. The time commitment is a very big deal, the game is their job, except they don't get paid.

Are there any stats about NCAA scholarship athletes getting out of college with significant debt? Like, if the Scholly and stipend don't cover it all, it would seem reasonable to assume some of these guys are ending up in debt

You seriously think college athletes don't take out loans? You're trolling right? Do you think college athletes don't eat and pay rent and bills?

didn't say that. wondered if there were stats. like if there was a stat "The average NCAA scholarship athlete leaves school with 40k in debt" I'd be swayed to pay athletes pretty easily.

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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2014, 10:15:18 PM »
Quote from moron:
"No, most schools cant afford to pay all of their athletes, maybe some top tier schools and thats it. Then high school players will all want to flock to these top tier schools, ruining college sports. It is not slavery, not even a close comparison. They get free education which can cost upwards of 50 grand a year."

Is he trying to say "BCS schools"?  This is why there will be another level for the schools that can pay this.  We know any school paying coaches and staff millions can very easily have some kind of support for the athletes.

The bolded part of that quote I agree with, and I'm assuming he means most schools. Do you have any idea how many athletes are at BCS schools? The answer is a lot. Its not that the schools can't afford it, but they can't afford it the way most schools spend money currently.

 The non bolded part of that quote is rough ridin' absurd.

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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2014, 10:21:06 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2014, 10:21:41 PM »
Quote from moron:
"No, most schools cant afford to pay all of their athletes, maybe some top tier schools and thats it. Then high school players will all want to flock to these top tier schools, ruining college sports. It is not slavery, not even a close comparison. They get free education which can cost upwards of 50 grand a year."

Is he trying to say "BCS schools"?  This is why there will be another level for the schools that can pay this.  We know any school paying coaches and staff millions can very easily have some kind of support for the athletes.
The bolded part of that quote I agree with, and I'm assuming he means most schools. Do you have any idea how many athletes are at BCS schools? The answer is a lot. Its not that the schools can't afford it, but they can't afford it the way most schools spend money currently.

 The non bolded part of that quote is rough ridin' absurd.
True.  I'm basically pointing out that there will be a separate division of schools if this union gets what they want.  Pay for play.   

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2014, 10:22:54 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2014, 10:24:23 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.
Isn't that the way it is now.  Hell we're doing it.
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2014, 10:25:13 PM »
I would assume the debt load of a student athlete is similar to that of a non athlete with a similar socioeconomic background. A non student athlete would get grants and loans to cover school expenses and some cost of living and then supplement that with jobs and or parrental support. A student athlete with a full ride (most student athletes don‘t get a full ride) will use the grants and loans to fully supplement cost of living since a job isn't a credible option for most.

If that's true, then I'm all for an increased financial stipend.

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2014, 10:26:19 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.

I think athletes should get a cut of their likeness but not get it until they have exhausted their eligibility

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Re: people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2014, 10:27:29 PM »
So, give the kids a bigger stipend, and college football stays the way it is. Start changing crap like getting paid for likeness or paying better rceruits more money and crap, college football ceases to exist on a level playing field. Not saying which one is right or wrong, but there would be a big shift.
Isn't that the way it is now.  Hell we're doing it.

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