What a guy our old FRANK is!

[sonofdaxjones]

Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.

I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.

If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.

What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself.    But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.

[Cartierfor3]

Wasnt Frank the main guy on Pullen?  Gift wrapped is way too strong.  Beasley and Walker left after just a year, who else was gift wrapped for him?

Dom and Jamar

[Trim]

I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face.

Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?

I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not?

You got the part about "these ppl" (it's @TrimGoEMAW) being really smart right.

[Jackstack99EMAW]

Wasnt Frank the main guy on Pullen?  Gift wrapped is way too strong.  Beasley and Walker left after just a year, who else was gift wrapped for him?

Dom and Jamar

Dom was pretty good defensively, but didnt provide much offensively.  So out of all the players that were "gift wrapped" for him, Jamar was the only one that panned out in the long run?

[chum1]

I remember Pullen being Te's guy.  Without trying to quantify, it seems to me like, aside from the first one, Frank's teams were about 50/50 Frank/Te.

[420seriouscat69]

I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face.

Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?

I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not?

You got the part about "these ppl" (it's @TrimGoEMAW) being really smart right.

Apparently too smart for your own good. You showed oscar, Trim. 'Grats!

[michigancat]

As far as I'm concerned Frank only gets credit for Luis Colon. (RIP)

[Trim]

I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face.

Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?

I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not?

You got the part about "these ppl" (it's @TrimGoEMAW) being really smart right.

Apparently too smart for your own good. You showed oscar, Trim. 'Grats!

I'm sure this makes sense in your mind. 

Anyway, I'll be bringing everyone a possibly abridged version of #BruceInBed tomorrow morning as soon as I return to bed after waking up and pissing (in the bathroom that I'll walk to, and into a toilet).  Even though it's Lowery at the Hilton Garden Inn, I know a sickly #oscar phones in at the beginning.  Plan the start of your day accordingly.

[420seriouscat69]

  Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.

[Trim]

Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.

Just because gE'rs sometimes give good advice doesn't make this site a licensed therapist.

[ChiComCat]

Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.

I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.

If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.

What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself.    But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.

I would give a coach a lifetime contract at KSU if every 5 years he would:

Make the tournament 4 times
Win a tournament game every time he went
Make one run to the sweet 16 or deeper

The basketball related items such as recruiting, shmoozing donors, good PR, etc all only matter to me in how it relates to winning.  Frank won and I liked him.  If he recruits like crap, I don't care so long as he wins.  If a bunch of big $$ donors hated him, I don't care.  If he has a terribly annoying voice and is really awkward, I don't care.  You can say his recruiting was going bad and was going to a downward spiral and maybe it was, we will never know.  What I do know is that Frank won enough while he was here for me and that's what I judge on, winning.  Although I didn't like the oscar hire, I will judge him based on winning as well.

[420seriouscat69]

Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.

Just because gE'rs sometimes give good advice doesn't make this site a licensed therapist.

OK. Whatever that means. You like to make ppl feel small, to make yourself feel better. Free advice. Sorry oscar is mushing you in your face. T's & P's

[Trim]

Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.

Just because gE'rs sometimes give good advice doesn't make this site a licensed therapist.

OK. Whatever that means. You like to make ppl feel small, to make yourself feel better. Free advice. Sorry oscar is mushing you in your face. T's & P's

@?

[nicname]

So, there's a lot going on in here.

[sonofdaxjones]

Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.

I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.

If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.

What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself.    But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.

I would give a coach a lifetime contract at KSU if every 5 years he would:

Make the tournament 4 times
Win a tournament game every time he went
Make one run to the sweet 16 or deeper

The basketball related items such as recruiting, shmoozing donors, good PR, etc all only matter to me in how it relates to winning.  Frank won and I liked him.  If he recruits like crap, I don't care so long as he wins.  If a bunch of big $$ donors hated him, I don't care.  If he has a terribly annoying voice and is really awkward, I don't care.  You can say his recruiting was going bad and was going to a downward spiral and maybe it was, we will never know.  What I do know is that Frank won enough while he was here for me and that's what I judge on, winning.  Although I didn't like the oscar hire, I will judge him based on winning as well.

That's great, you enjoy a slightly above mediocre program, and that's probably good enough for me as well.  A slightly above mediocre basketball program garners (at least IMO) almost exactly the salary that Frank was paid at K-State.   It also only garners a coach a moderate level of capital or equity (whatever) in terms of what a school will or will not put up with. 

I don't think I am going too far out on a limb by saying that a coach with Frank's personality, that's seemingly unable to rise above a level of moderate success . . . likely creates an environment of even greater instability and volatility.   We were already starting to see that. 

[sys]

Dom and Jamar

samuels was recruited after huggins left.

[steve dave]

Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.

http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem

[Cartierfor3]

Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.

http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem

I think it marginalizes apartheid to compare college basketball to it.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.

http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem

I think it marginalizes apartheid to compare college basketball to it.

But it has valid points and Frank's got an even bigger contract at USCe and absolutely nothing is going right there so far, and that's when Frank is forced to stare ridiculously at stat sheets for minutes at a time in the midst of a blow out . . . At the hands of a really bad team to avoid going completely incendiary on his basketball team . . . just days after becoming unhinged in the midst of another loss.   

[gatoveintisiet]

 I don't give Frank credit for recruits that came to play for Huggins, and I don't praise my waiter for how good my food is.

[Skipper44]

Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.

http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem

also the nyc guys

[EMAWmeister]

Really enjoying Trim and Dax's work since page 5.

[Katpappy]

I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face.

Begging to anyone who will listen that Frank needs more years with USC before we judge, but ready to run chicken nuggets out of town as soon as he fails.  Boy it hurts to be wrong!

[Katpappy]

Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.

I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.

If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.

What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself.    But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.

I would give a coach a lifetime contract at KSU if every 5 years he would:

Make the tournament 4 times
Win a tournament game every time he went
Make one run to the sweet 16 or deeper

The basketball related items such as recruiting, shmoozing donors, good PR, etc all only matter to me in how it relates to winning.  Frank won and I liked him.  If he recruits like crap, I don't care so long as he wins. If a bunch of big $$ donors hated him, I don't care.  If he has a terribly annoying voice and is really awkward, I don't care.  You can say his recruiting was going bad and was going to a downward spiral and maybe it was, we will never know.  What I do know is that Frank won enough while he was here for me and that's what I judge on, winning.  Although I didn't like the oscar hire, I will judge him based on winning as well.

Then can anyone tell why all the Snyder recruiting hate.

[Stevesie60]

I don't give Frank credit for recruits that came to play for Huggins, and I don't praise my waiter for how good my food is.

If the waiter hired the head chef and the other kitchen employees then you would.