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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #125 on: January 24, 2014, 09:37:38 AM »
(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).

because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #126 on: January 24, 2014, 09:40:24 AM »
(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).

because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.

The "prior relationship" clause would not excuse certain interactions with regards to a certain individual, and the player was informed of that previously.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #127 on: January 24, 2014, 09:41:30 AM »
(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).

because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.

The "prior relationship" clause would not excuse certain interactions with regards to a certain individual, and the player was informed of that previously.

because he had already done it once or because we were just wary of it because curtis is obviously sketchy as eff?

edit: or because the player had already asked if it was ok?

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #128 on: January 24, 2014, 09:55:39 AM »
I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession?  The usual redasses are posting page long rants again.  Did he say something about ksu?   

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #129 on: January 24, 2014, 09:57:10 AM »
I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession?  The usual redasses are posting page long rants again.  Did he say something about ksu?
He really sucks at his new job. He blew up after a loss. Now when he blows up as a loser, it's concerning to the media and school.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #130 on: January 24, 2014, 10:01:26 AM »
Did my post say shifty or shitty? If it said shifty it was auto-corrected. Currie didn't have to suspend Samuels for that game without a complete investigation & I hope you aren't arguing otherwise. There have been several cases of players playing in games with eligibility questions at other schools before and after that happened. Currie had a choice and he chose to suspend the player without consulting the coach and without completing the investigation. Certainly your ever enlightening :facepalm: isn't being used to indicate otherwise.

It wasn't JC that recommended suspension, that would be the compliance director's job. JC did not unilaterally decide anything, and the player in question certainly did something that warranted the suspension. Players on K-State basketball teams and other schools' teams have been suspended in the past for the same type of infraction. It gets more attention because it turned out to be a senior's last game. It sucks, but ultimately it is the player's fault for committing an infraction (an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).

Should JC have gotten Frank's input before the suspension was final? Maybe? It wouldn't have changed the outcome. Frank is the type of person that would take offense to just about anything, so I'm sure that pissed him off. And if you talk to people close to Frank, I'm sure his version is filled with persecution -- that's his thing, you're seeing it now at SC.

I would agree that JC didn't make a huge effort to keep Frank at K-State, and it was clear Frank wasn't making a huge effort to stay at K-State.

The  :facepalm: was because this has been discussed over and over and people still believe what they want to believe -- I thought it was clear what I know happened, I didn't realize you wanted me to go through it again. Apologies.

 :thumbsup: great, we agree more than we disagree I don't by any means feel that Frank was a saint and without blame, no one does, but it seemed like that relationship was fractured to the point where it wasn't getting repaired. People quit their jobs all the time because of friction with their boss, I'd assume that and money are the two biggest reasons why people quit jobs, Frank is a human not a robot. The only people who go to work everyday and hate their boss are people who don't have job options and are not exceptionally skilled.

The only thing I take exception to is your view on the role of compliance, Jamie made a recommendation,  Jamar was suspended by Currie.

(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).

because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.

The "prior relationship" clause would not excuse certain interactions with regards to a certain individual, and the player was informed of that previously.

Hmmmm.  I think this is new info and changes things a bit with Jamar. I wonder the lengths that we went to prove that Curtis and James's relationship didn't fit the "prior relationship" standard; if compliance asked the NCAA or if that was the compliance department's interpretation of their relationship.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #131 on: January 24, 2014, 10:01:32 AM »
If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back!  :D

not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!

And MIR.  Don't forget about MIR.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #132 on: January 24, 2014, 10:05:52 AM »
I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession?  The usual redasses are posting page long rants again.  Did he say something about ksu?

The guys who miss Frank but don't know how to deal with it lashing out. I bet these guys don't get along with any of their several exes because they think she's a slut who cheated on them when they dated because she started seeing someone else.

I'm absolutely a frankite, unapologetically.  I find it hilarious that these type of conversations are started by the same people saying the same things two years later.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #133 on: January 24, 2014, 10:08:21 AM »
I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession?  The usual redasses are posting page long rants again.  Did he say something about ksu?

The guys who miss Frank but don't know how to deal with it lashing out. I bet these guys don't get along with any of their several exes because they think she's a slut who cheated on them when they dated because she started seeing someone else.

I'm absolutely a frankite, unapologetically.  I find it hilarious that these type of conversations are started by the same people saying the same things two years later.

Spot on reference.   :thumbsup:

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #134 on: January 24, 2014, 10:11:52 AM »
If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back!  :D

not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!

I know you're trying to compliment cc but you just made him sound really thin skinned. I'm guessing that if he didn't want to talk about this he wouldn't have posted about it.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #135 on: January 24, 2014, 10:13:54 AM »
I think it's acceptable to post about all of our ex coaches whenever anyone wants

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #136 on: January 24, 2014, 10:17:36 AM »
I think it's acceptable to post about all of our ex coaches whenever anyone wants

What did everyone think of Jimmy Elgas?

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #137 on: January 24, 2014, 10:21:31 AM »
I think it's acceptable to post about all of our ex coaches whenever anyone wants

What did everyone think of Jimmy Elgas?

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #138 on: January 24, 2014, 10:30:06 AM »
If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back!  :D

not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!

I know you're trying to compliment cc but you just made him sound really thin skinned. I'm guessing that if he didn't want to talk about this he wouldn't have posted about it.
Fair point. I just think he takes a lot of crap on here, when he's trying to give us ITK stuff. I'm grateful for it, but some ppl try to argue with him when they don't know what they're talking about and they come off as a bunch of dumbasses. I'm not saying this is you tho.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #139 on: January 24, 2014, 10:38:52 AM »
i'd still bet martin will win more games than kstate does, over the course of years that martin is an ncaa head bball coach.

Really?  Wow.  You know he's already in a 20-game hole (41 wins v. 21 wins)?
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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #140 on: January 24, 2014, 10:42:19 AM »
Belvis, MIR is right.

LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.

For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.

was he right about JC being a mean jerk to poor ol' Frank, pulling rank, and "running him out of town?"  is it accurate that ahh-shucks Frank desperately wanted to stay at KSU, but that JC had created a hostile work in which faultless Frank simply couldn't focus on coaching basketball?  Essentially, constructively discharged him?   

The truth is none of us have any rough ridin' idea how this came to be.  It's all conjuecture and speculation.  MIR said it best - "we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be."  Us fans, on the periphery, can only look at past circumstances and available facts and make our best guess as to what really happened.  Unless this is just a Venzy scenario where the truth is too powerful for the average EMAWer and posting it publicly would melt down the internet. 

I think Frank was on notice in Frankuary of his last year that he wouldn't be welcomed back for the following season.  I only thing that, I don't know that like I know he could've had DePaul or Oregon.  I don't think the Jamar thing changed anything.

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« Reply #141 on: January 24, 2014, 10:55:46 AM »

I think Frank was on notice in Frankuary of his last year that he wouldn't be welcomed back for the following season.  I only thing that, I don't know that like I know he could've had DePaul or Oregon.  I don't think the Jamar thing changed anything.


So, basically, even if Jamargate hadn't happened, no suspension, and Cats make it to Sweet Sixteen, you're saying Frank was still gonna be fired? 

I don't know.  Seems highly unlikely to me. 

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #142 on: January 24, 2014, 11:00:56 AM »
Belvis, MIR is right.

LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.

For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.

was he right about JC being a mean jerk to poor ol' Frank, pulling rank, and "running him out of town?"  is it accurate that ahh-shucks Frank desperately wanted to stay at KSU, but that JC had created a hostile work in which faultless Frank simply couldn't focus on coaching basketball?  Essentially, constructively discharged him?   

The truth is none of us have any rough ridin' idea how this came to be.  It's all conjuecture and speculation.  MIR said it best - "we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be."  Us fans, on the periphery, can only look at past circumstances and available facts and make our best guess as to what really happened.  Unless this is just a Venzy scenario where the truth is too powerful for the average EMAWer and posting it publicly would melt down the internet. 

I think Frank was on notice in Frankuary of his last year that he wouldn't be welcomed back for the following season.  I only thing that, I don't know that like I know he could've had DePaul or Oregon.  I don't think the Jamar thing changed anything.

Someday when we are older the whole Frank and John story is going to come out and all we can do is laugh. Btw, I have heard from a good source that frank tried to get in a "physical confrontation" with John. Just so much good stuff.  :lol: :lol:

I can't blame either party because I am a reasonable person that knows that not everybody can get along. But I do feel bad for Frank because he got out trumped.

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Re: What a guy our old FRANK is!
« Reply #143 on: January 24, 2014, 11:08:39 AM »
Someday when we are older the whole Frank and John story is going to come out and all we can do is laugh. Btw, I have heard from a good source that frank tried to get in a "physical confrontation" with John. Just so much good stuff.  :lol: :lol:

I can't blame either party because I am a reasonable person that knows that not everybody can get along. But I do feel bad for Frank because he got out trumped.

I would totally pay for long-ass stories on both the Prince/Patterson/Snyder and Currie/Frank/Webber debacles.  Sucks JMart's gone.  He'd have KORA'd the crap out of this.

I assume circuses like those happen everywhere and we just feel like it's a KSU thing because we're close to it.

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« Reply #144 on: January 24, 2014, 11:12:19 AM »
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.

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« Reply #145 on: January 24, 2014, 11:14:06 AM »
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.

Picture an OKC hotel elevator bank and I'm Frank and you're Anya.

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« Reply #146 on: January 24, 2014, 11:14:52 AM »
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.

Picture an OKC hotel elevator bank and I'm Frank and you're Anya.

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« Reply #147 on: January 24, 2014, 11:15:12 AM »
If Frank was here last year, we probably don't win a conference title. I think it worked out just ok.

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« Reply #148 on: January 24, 2014, 11:15:25 AM »
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.

Picture an OKC hotel elevator bank and I'm Frank and you're Anya.

And Currie's that guy at the front of the 40 people.  I don't think there was anyone in the EMAW scenario playing the role of where's waldo sweater choked out guy.

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« Reply #149 on: January 24, 2014, 11:22:49 AM »
Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt.  He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games.  He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season.  Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference).  The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing.  I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing.  Frank just walked around not saying anything.

I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go.  I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.

Huggins always talked about Frank's good coaching as an asst and how he was great at doing the scout, so there's that

It's called affirmation . . . affirming to to all the hayseeds and powertucks back at your old job that the guy ushered in quickly to hold a recruiting class together really is a good basketball coach.

I personally just got tired of Frank's shtick, his recruiting started to really blow, and all the Frankites who thought calling a timeout to just stare everybody down was cute and endearing, "oh man, Frank was so mad" (fap, fap, fap, fap, fap)

Maybe Frank will turn it around, but the USCe fans I know, who follow ALL their sports are already weary of the guy.   Last night they were a complete defensive $hit show; constantly getting beat off the drive, leaving guys wide open, letting guys work behind them on the baseline with literally no one paying attention to them etc. etc. etc.   Oh yeah, hey good idea Frank, now's a great time to start modifying your system to the new rules . . . coaching genius there.  I mean, hell, they just put in the new rule/points of emphasis, like, last Thursday or something.

I should have been more clear in my statement so the Carolina hayseeds would get the cut of my jib, Huggins made the statements about Frank during his radio shows after games, and I realize he's pimping his guy, but those were his thoughts.

LOL, okay