Author Topic: Shane (Read 39450 times)

slobber · « **Reply #150 on:** March 03, 2014, 08:26:55 AM »

It matters who you are on the floor with. Will has probably never been on the floor with Jevon at all. Marcus spends a great deal of time on the floor with Jevon.

Trogdor · « **Reply #151 on:** March 03, 2014, 08:27:41 AM »

Stats are always flawed. Never tell the full story

kso_FAN · « **Reply #152 on:** March 03, 2014, 08:29:55 AM »

Quote from: Trogdor on March 03, 2014, 08:27:41 AM

Stats are always flawed. Never tell the full story

And some stats are a lot worse than others. (The stats in question know who I'm taking about. )

steve dave · « **Reply #153 on:** March 03, 2014, 08:30:23 AM »

Quote from: dobber on March 03, 2014, 08:26:55 AM

It matters who you are on the floor with

the person you are least likely to be on the floor with plays your position. pretty good argument for +/- you are making there.

slobber · « **Reply #154 on:** March 03, 2014, 08:36:10 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 03, 2014, 08:30:23 AM

Quote from: dobber on March 03, 2014, 08:26:55 AM
It matters who you are on the floor with

the person you are least likely to be on the floor with plays your position. pretty good argument for +/- you are making there.

Then maybe you should list them as position groupings. My argument is that you can't look at Will and Marcus and say Will is better because of +/- stats.

steve dave · « **Reply #155 on:** March 03, 2014, 08:38:45 AM »

Quote from: dobber on March 03, 2014, 08:36:10 AM

Quote from: steve dave on March 03, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
Quote from: dobber on March 03, 2014, 08:26:55 AM
It matters who you are on the floor with

the person you are least likely to be on the floor with plays your position. pretty good argument for +/- you are making there.
Then maybe you should list them as position groupings. My argument is that you can't look at Will and Marcus and say Will is better because of +/- stats.

I'm assuming most people on this site know who plays what position. I doubt anyone is doing that.

sys · « **Reply #156 on:** March 03, 2014, 03:29:27 PM »

the +/- stats don't look hugely different than what might have been expected. they seem intuitively reasonably accurate. williams' numbers are a surprise, but one outlier is hardly damning.

The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep · « **Reply #157 on:** March 03, 2014, 03:37:32 PM »

so nino is about as good as andrew wiggins?

michigancat · « **Reply #158 on:** March 03, 2014, 03:39:24 PM »

I don't think +/- is more or less flawed in CBB than the NBA. But I do think this is better and wish someone would do it for CBB:

http://www.82games.com/1314/ROLRTG8.HTM

kenpom is kind of starting that by tracking the most frequent lineups - I wish he'd go all the way and add stats to those lineups. Can't be too hard for him since he already tracks the lineups.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #159 on:** March 03, 2014, 04:20:30 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 03:39:24 PM

I don't think +/- is more or less flawed in CBB than the NBA. But I do think this is better and wish someone would do it for CBB:

http://www.82games.com/1314/ROLRTG8.HTM

kenpom is kind of starting that by tracking the most frequent lineups - I wish he'd go all the way and add stats to those lineups. Can't be too hard for him since he already tracks the lineups.

The +/- isn't a valued stat IMO. Will leads the team in that stat this year. He led the team by a good margain last year before the chest injury. Does that meen that Will was better than Rodney/Angel or that NuWill is better than Foster. NO. But I think it does show that Will is valuable.

The small groups on the floor is what I look a lot in games. With foul trouble on Saturday, we had the 2 frosh PGs and Omari in together late in the 1st half. And I was like Ooooooh Noooooo. I also tend to get a little nervous when we only have 1 true shooter on the court. Now Shane before Saturday had struggled shooting the ball.... but I prefer having 2 of the 3 (Foster Will or Shane) on the court. And if we only have 1, then I always hope Gip is in there to give us another player we can run the offense through if needed.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #160 on:** March 03, 2014, 04:53:48 PM »

Proves Niño sucks at defense, rotations and close outs. Also, proves that will is great at help defense and helps the offense turn over.

Stevesie60 · « **Reply #161 on:** March 03, 2014, 05:45:15 PM »

I think "proves" is a strong word.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #162 on:** March 03, 2014, 05:46:42 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on March 03, 2014, 05:45:15 PM

I think "proves" is a strong word.

Really, really strong. Especially with a very subjective stat.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #163 on:** March 03, 2014, 09:24:34 PM »

If people want to say lots of bad things about Shane for that last stretch I'm fine with it. Awful.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #164 on:** March 03, 2014, 09:24:53 PM »

Those 3 possession resulted in 7 okie state points

Jackstack99EMAW · « **Reply #165 on:** March 03, 2014, 09:25:21 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 09:24:34 PM

If people want to say lots of bad things about Shane for that last stretch I'm fine with it. Awful.

Senior leader. Failed to rotate on Forte too.

Jackstack99EMAW · « **Reply #166 on:** March 03, 2014, 09:34:50 PM »

It's just too bad that Nino is his backup because Nino is a bad defender.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #167 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:00:02 PM »

Man, Shane's been a hot pile of garbage tonight, amirite fellas? Oh well.

Jackstack99EMAW · « **Reply #168 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:00:19 PM »

1 of 15 since going 4-4 vs ISU.

PowercatPat · « **Reply #169 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:01:52 PM »

He has been awful since the WVU home game.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #170 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:21:47 PM »

Quote from: Jackstack99EMAW on March 03, 2014, 10:00:19 PM

1 of 15 since going 4-4 vs ISU.

0-9 on 2pt shots.... how many of those shots inside 7 feet or layups. Exactly

His back to back TOs that turned into 4 pts (after we got the lead down to 36 32) ..... I was like

wetwillie · « **Reply #171 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:50:27 PM »

Just needs an attitude adjustment

HELLHAMMER · « **Reply #172 on:** March 04, 2014, 08:42:45 AM »

Hard for anyone to defend Shane's play anymore. He's playing like a mongoloid and without him being at least serviceable we're not gonna beat anyone decent.

wabash909 · « **Reply #173 on:** March 04, 2014, 08:58:17 AM »

If you look up Mongoloid basketball player in the dictionary there's a picture of Shane Southwell.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #174 on:** March 04, 2014, 09:16:48 AM »

Quote from: Jackstack99EMAW on March 03, 2014, 09:34:50 PM

It's just too bad that Nino is his backup because Nino is a bad defender.

Whatever idiot. Nino is rim defender #1 one won!