Marcus Foster

[Dub]

If Beasley got through without being dismissed, you should be able to get through without being dismissed.

[sys]

1) A third strike can reviewed and removed
2) Why test for a third strike, unless you are ok with the strike. 
3) Players have a pretty good idea when they are going to get tested, they can get their systems flushed out.

i'm not entirely sure on the process, and may be missing something important, but i can only think of three possibilities.

post big 12 tourney mandatory test.  foster is a complete dumbass or didn't give a eff.
postseason surprise test, weber complicit.  weber wanted foster out, chose the most passive means possible.
postseason surprise test, weber not complicit.  currie's a weirdo, maybe hates kstate, maybe hates weber?

[michigancat]

Where are Bob Huggins and Cartier Martin when you need 'em

[nicname]

1) A third strike can reviewed and removed
2) Why test for a third strike, unless you are ok with the strike. 
3) Players have a pretty good idea when they are going to get tested, they can get their systems flushed out.

i'm not entirely sure on the process, and may be missing something important, but i can only think of three possibilities.

post big 12 tourney mandatory test.  foster is a complete dumbass or didn't give a eff.
postseason surprise test, weber complicit.  weber wanted foster out, chose the most passive means possible.
postseason surprise test, weber not complicit.  currie's a weirdo, maybe hates kstate, maybe hates weber?

Did you have a good spring break, Marcus? Step into my office. Have a glass or two of water.

[deputy dawg]

1) A third strike can reviewed and removed
2) Why test for a third strike, unless you are ok with the strike. 
3) Players have a pretty good idea when they are going to get tested, they can get their systems flushed out.

i'm not entirely sure on the process, and may be missing something important, but i can only think of three possibilities.

post big 12 tourney mandatory test.  foster is a complete dumbass or didn't give a eff.
postseason surprise test, weber complicit.  weber wanted foster out, chose the most passive means possible.
postseason surprise test, weber not complicit.  currie's a weirdo, maybe hates kstate, maybe hates weber?

Hmmm...lots of drug tests are random-selected subjects only.  Could be that Foster came up on the wrong side of random.

[Mixed-Nutz]

1) A third strike can reviewed and removed
2) Why test for a third strike, unless you are ok with the strike. 
3) Players have a pretty good idea when they are going to get tested, they can get their systems flushed out.

i'm not entirely sure on the process, and may be missing something important, but i can only think of three possibilities.

post big 12 tourney mandatory test.  foster is a complete dumbass or didn't give a eff.
postseason surprise test, weber complicit.  weber wanted foster out, chose the most passive means possible.
postseason surprise test, weber not complicit.  currie's a weirdo, maybe hates kstate, maybe hates weber?

Hmmm...lots of drug tests are random-selected subjects only.  Could be that Foster came up on the wrong side of random.

If random is code for secretly manipulated, yes.

[pissclams]

some people choose to help addicts, others turn their backs and kick the victims to the curb. 

cinnamon rolls for thought as to the leaders of young men at our university

[yoman]

What's the rationale for weed being prohibited in athletics, on top of whatever laws apply to the general public?  Competitive balance issue?

Dumbassery.  I mean, it's illegal for them to drink until they are practically out of school based on age, but we don't test for that nationally.

They technically do and alcohol is on the NCAA banned list (can't remember if it's only until 21 or just completely banned). It's absolutely not a big deal though because of how short alcohol is in the body. For the testing (assuming that D1 is the same as smaller schools at this point), the student athlete is told the day before their test, so essentially you just don't have to get drunk before the test and you're good. Caffeine is the same way. IMO, the only reason why drug tests are remotely effective is because of how long THC is in the body and because of how unregulated the supplement industry is (very easy to fail if you use the wrong preworkout).

[nitrocat]

What's the rationale for weed being prohibited in athletics, on top of whatever laws apply to the general public?  Competitive balance issue?

Dumbassery.  I mean, it's illegal for them to drink until they are practically out of school based on age, but we don't test for that nationally.

They technically do and alcohol is on the NCAA banned list (can't remember if it's only until 21 or just completely banned). It's absolutely not a big deal though because of how short alcohol is in the body. For the testing (assuming that D1 is the same as smaller schools at this point), the student athlete is told the day before their test, so essentially you just don't have to get drunk before the test and you're good. Caffeine is the same way. IMO, the only reason why drug tests are remotely effective is because of how long THC is in the body and because of how unregulated the supplement industry is (very easy to fail if you use the wrong preworkout).

Yeah, you're basically told 12 hours before. And it's during the week. To get caught for alcohol you'd literally have to go get drunk after they told you that you were being tested at 6 am the next morning. I sincerely doubt anyone is that dumb.

[Dr Rick Daris]

you'd have to have pretty solid evidence to convince me that oscar didn't purposefully test them when they got back from spring break and currie was ok w/ it. technically they can appeal to currie or the pat bosco committee thing that curt kelly did. curt went w/ bosco which was the smart move because currie and his strong desire to eff frank and his players.

[nicname]

you'd have to have pretty solid evidence to convince me that oscar didn't purposefully test them when they got back from spring break and currie was ok w/ it. technically they can appeal to currie or the pat bosco committee thing that curt kelly did. curt went w/ bosco which was the smart move because currie and his strong desire to eff frank and his players.

Kelly and his coach also wanted him to be here. Not to put words into his mouth, but all things considered, I'm wouldn't bet that Foster truly felt the same way.

[yoman]

you'd have to have pretty solid evidence to convince me that oscar didn't purposefully test them when they got back from spring break and currie was ok w/ it. technically they can appeal to currie or the pat bosco committee thing that curt kelly did. curt went w/ bosco which was the smart move because currie and his strong desire to eff frank and his players.

Kelly and his coach also wanted him to be here. Not to put words into his mouth, but all things considered, I'm wouldn't bet that Foster truly felt the same way.

Both of these make sense, and are frustrating if true. Especially considering Weber isn't stupid; he knows that Foster has the potential to be our best in a year that was make or break for him. This scenario would suggest that he is trying to hit a reset button for more time. Unfortunately, we may give it to him. Oddly, Marcus is somewhat a winner for getting away from this, but his name has taken a huge hit, in part due to Weber.

[chum1]

This scenario would suggest that he is trying to hit a reset button for more time.

This is the most realistic scenario, for sure. oscar is sitting around, thinking, "It's an established fact that I can't win with my own players. So, if I want to keep my job, I'm going to have to scheme the yokels. What's the best way to do that? Bust players for drugs and then boot them from the team. I just need to do it before goEMAW blows my cover."

[michigancat]

If it was drugs, why not just say it was for drugs? (This is not a oscar specific question, it's just that the speculation is probably worse than reality.)

[wetwillie]

If it was drugs, why not just say it was for drugs? (This is not a oscar specific question, it's just that the speculation is probably worse than reality.)

I thought they would be violating student privacy or something

[CNS]

It seems to be an unwritten rule to not eff someone on their way out the door.  Speculation is better than definitely having a drug issue when it comes to getting on another team, imo.

[michigancat]

If it was drugs, why not just say it was for drugs? (This is not a oscar specific question, it's just that the speculation is probably worse than reality.)

I thought they would be violating student privacy or something

Nope

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2014/4/25/5652446/mitch-mcgary-marijuana-suspension-nba-draft-2014

[michigancat]

It seems to be an unwritten rule to not eff someone on their way out the door.  Speculation is better than definitely having a drug issue when it comes to getting on another team, imo.

Is it?

[Winters]

tweet, tweet...

[kso_FAN]

I don't think it's a reset. I just don't think Weber could handle Marcus and his personality. It's not a unique thing for his career. Then Marcus helped him out, though I think Weber probably really wanted to keep him. At least after the TCU game.

[ednksu]

Its a shame that we didn't send Marcus to Passages Malibu to deal with is addiction issue.  But if there is one thing worse then addiction to marijuana cigarettes its jet lag.

The marijuana use probably started as means of dealing with the jet lag.  I mean, the time table works.

Not sure how much of this was directly related to weed, but what's really a shame is that people make such a big deal out of weed, especially with regard to athletes.

It makes sense, though, given how it is a guaranteed path to becoming a complete loser of a person simply by inhaling it's magically evil smoke.

Joking aside, everyone* knows weed laws are ridiculous.  The fact is though its rough ridin' stupid to sacrifice your scholarship for your Saturday night proclivities. 



*by everyone I mean people with common sense who haven't bought into the bullshit (somewhat racist) drug enforcement policies of the country or who aren't blatant hypocrites about what they did in college, probably under age drinking, which in moderation is just as bad as weed.

[CNS]

It seems to be an unwritten rule to not eff someone on their way out the door.  Speculation is better than definitely having a drug issue when it comes to getting on another team, imo.

Is it?

Generally, I think it is.  How many times do you hear how shitty of a job a coach did from their AD?  Also, I feel like we would hear a lot more about transfers than "for personal reasons" or "to be closer to family".

[michigancat]

It seems to be an unwritten rule to not eff someone on their way out the door.  Speculation is better than definitely having a drug issue when it comes to getting on another team, imo.

Is it?

Generally, I think it is.  How many times do you hear how shitty of a job a coach did from their AD?  Also, I feel like we would hear a lot more about transfers than "for personal reasons" or "to be closer to family".

Then why not just say all three players wanted to transfer? Why announce he was kicked off?

[CNS]

oscar worried about face, I would guess.  It plays out differently if you report you kicked off your best player rather he is transferring.  It's a power thing, imo.  One looks like you have the control and able to make tough decisions.   The other looks like you are a loser and ppl are bailing.  Perception is super important.

[EMAWmeister]

http://www.thesalutepodcast.com/the-power-of-a-question-mark/