Unsettled Waters

[Rage Against the McKee]

This is really quite simple. The outcome this season will be the same regardless of what we do with the QBs.

LOL, no. Our chances of winning increase as the number of snaps Sams takes increases.

We're going to go to some middling bowl game regardless, this year. That ship has already left the port. That outcome has everything to do with the shittiness of our schedule.

We still have plenty of opportunity to only win 6 games on end up in a shitty bowl.

[Benja]

Our fan base has very, very low FBIQ. My God....

cool username kanst43.

I assume you liked Carson Coffman.

Explain please

[kso_FAN]

hmmm, sounds like someone has an agenda.

No agenda.

[CNS]

Pls make note of josh kinder bailouts.

[hatingfrancisco]

Tonight I will be releasing a comprehensive comparison between the two QBs from just our 5 Big 12 games. Breakdowns will include how each has been used in the running game, passing game, and big plays created. In addition, I will break down each player on a per drive basis. Some interesting stuff.

Sounds like you both have one.

do all the games

First, I didn't break down the UMass game and UMass/LaLa were pretty meaningless anyway. NDSU didn't feature a fair shot for Sams because he was limited in PT because of his injury. We all know that Waters struggled in that game, as well as the entire offense.

Second, I thought the Big 12 was a pretty good measuring stick because in those 5 games they've played almost an identical number of plays. By the time we got to the Texas game the coaches really knew what they had and as I have pointed out, both players have gotten opportunities.

do them all

Also, I have it pretty much finished and it was already a lot of work breaking down 5 games with 333 offensive plays and 59 drives.

hmmm, sounds like someone has an agenda.

[Stevesie60]

If this guy's name isn't changed to waters_FAN by the end of the day then I give up on this site.

[Emo EMAW]

Did anyone notice how when Jake came out he wouldn't slap hands with Sams? 

[Lefty]

Tonight I will be releasing a comprehensive comparison between the two QBs from just our 5 Big 12 games. Breakdowns will include how each has been used in the running game, passing game, and big plays created. In addition, I will break down each player on a per drive basis. Some interesting stuff.

_Fan- do you get to see the entire secondary pre-snap in the game field you look at? Or is it strictly TV coverage?

[kougar24]

This is really quite simple. The outcome this season will be the same regardless of what we do with the QBs.

LOL, no. Our chances of winning increase as the number of snaps Sams takes increases.

We're going to go to some middling bowl game regardless, this year. That ship has already left the port. That outcome has everything to do with the shittiness of our schedule.

We still have plenty of opportunity to only win 6 games on end up in a shitty bowl.

Middling bowl, shitty bowl, splitting hairs. We'll go to a bowl. The fact remains that there is NO LOGICAL REASON to play Waters, at all. Time to Marc Dunn him.

[slobber]

Since we all agree that Waters is playing his best the past two games, we can easily assume that Sams will be playing his best in the next two games, since Sams didn't get the opportunities that Waters did in the first two games. _FAN, if you want your paycheck this week....

[Dr Rick Daris]

i also took several plays from each qb this year for no real rhyme or reason and will also be breaking them down. so far waters is 0/22 passing with four interceptions and negative rushing yards. will pick the remaining waters plays later tonight and then do dsams tomorrow and the next day. will post when i'm finished. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Sounds like we might get _FANalysis and daralysis in the same day.

[kougar24]

i also took several plays from each qb this year for no real rhyme or reason and will also be breaking them down. so far waters is 0/22 passing with four interceptions and negative rushing yards. will pick the remaining waters plays later tonight and then do dsams tomorrow and the next day. will post when i'm finished. 

Rumor has it Waters' YPA in those 22 misfires is 4.2, as well. Confirm please.

[kso_FAN]

Tonight I will be releasing a comprehensive comparison between the two QBs from just our 5 Big 12 games. Breakdowns will include how each has been used in the running game, passing game, and big plays created. In addition, I will break down each player on a per drive basis. Some interesting stuff.

_Fan- do you get to see the entire secondary pre-snap in the game field you look at? Or is it strictly TV coverage?

TV feed via youtube.

UMass isn't there. I can add NDSU/LaLa I suppose.

And yeah, but choosing Big 12 games I was being very random.

[kougar24]

And yeah, but choosing Big 12 games I was being very random.

[steve dave]

Tonight I will be releasing a comprehensive comparison between the two QBs from just our 5 Big 12 games. Breakdowns will include how each has been used in the running game, passing game, and big plays created. In addition, I will break down each player on a per drive basis. Some interesting stuff.

_Fan- do you get to see the entire secondary pre-snap in the game field you look at? Or is it strictly TV coverage?

TV feed via youtube.

UMass isn't there. I can add NDSU/LaLa I suppose.

And yeah, but choosing Big 12 games I was being very random.

we were without our only two playmaking WRs for 40% of the league games. we had them both for the non-con which brings that % down a bit and will make your data more relevant. if anything it should help your guy waters, he's "the thrower".

[kostakio]

I'm a team Sams guy but I"m fine with rotating him and Waters.

THEN YOU AREN'T TEAM SAMS.

Also, saying to play Sams 100% of the time is not akin to saying "Give him 35 carries a game." Saying we can't play Sams just because you think it's a certainty he'll eventually get injured is a stupid argument.

Well the two games where he played nearly 100% of the time that is pretty close to what happened as far as carries go.  I didn't say he'd eventually get hurt I do think he'd wear down and it would be a factor over time.   I think it's pretty dumb to suggest that number of carries and work load for a player isn't a real issue that comes into play.

He's not running the full offense right now.  So that limits up when he's in the game and means he's going to have to carry it a high percentage of the snaps.  If he plays 100% not only are his carries going to pile up but we're going to have a pretty limited offensive attack for teams to prepare for.  IMO  he's too good not to play but he's not ready to run the full offense and take 100% of the snaps.

[Cartierfor3]

I hope when I go straight to the bottom its like "The data proves that Sams is awesome"

[catzacker]

_Fan, can you add or subtract data sets based on how they will make the the starting QB I want to look?  Thanks.

XOXO
catzacker

[kougar24]

I'm a team Sams guy but I"m fine with rotating him and Waters.

THEN YOU AREN'T TEAM SAMS.

Also, saying to play Sams 100% of the time is not akin to saying "Give him 35 carries a game." Saying we can't play Sams just because you think it's a certainty he'll eventually get injured is a stupid argument.

Well the two games where he played nearly 100% of the time that is pretty close to what happened as far as carries go.  I didn't say he'd eventually get hurt I do think he'd wear down and it would be a factor over time.   I think it's pretty dumb to suggest that number of carries and work load for a player isn't a real issue that comes into play.

He's not running the full offense right now.  So that limits up when he's in the game and means he's going to have to carry it a high percentage of the snaps.  If he plays 100% not only are his carries going to pile up but we're going to have a pretty limited offensive attack for teams to prepare for.  IMO  he's too good not to play but he's not ready to run the full offense and take 100% of the snaps.

You play Sams 100% of the snaps and give him 100% of the available playbook. If he's going to suck at some plays, let him suck at them now so it helps him not suck at them when it matters. Get it?

There is no "He's not good enough to let him do _______ yet." Letting him do _______ is what MAKES him good enough.

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we? Because I don't know about you, but I sure enjoyed 2002 more than 2005.

[Steffy08]

I am fine with Waters falling down on running plays if he means he doesn't fumble.  Waters isn't ever going to be a great running QB.  If we run him occasionally to keep the d honest, I am fine with that.  But, his fumble percentage is unacceptable.  The extra 1.5 yards isn't worth the risk of him fumbling.

Embrace the two-QB system, people.  It is going to happen.  That way, you can enjoy our 7 game win streak to end this season and our playoff-spot next season, rather than spending all of this time bitching about how much better we would be if your man-crush Sams got all the snaps. 

[ksupamplemousse]

I'm a team Sams guy but I"m fine with rotating him and Waters.

THEN YOU AREN'T TEAM SAMS.

Also, saying to play Sams 100% of the time is not akin to saying "Give him 35 carries a game." Saying we can't play Sams just because you think it's a certainty he'll eventually get injured is a stupid argument.

Well the two games where he played nearly 100% of the time that is pretty close to what happened as far as carries go.  I didn't say he'd eventually get hurt I do think he'd wear down and it would be a factor over time.   I think it's pretty dumb to suggest that number of carries and work load for a player isn't a real issue that comes into play.

He's not running the full offense right now.  So that limits up when he's in the game and means he's going to have to carry it a high percentage of the snaps.  If he plays 100% not only are his carries going to pile up but we're going to have a pretty limited offensive attack for teams to prepare for.  IMO  he's too good not to play but he's not ready to run the full offense and take 100% of the snaps.

You play Sams 100% of the snaps and give him 100% of the available playbook. If he's going to suck at some plays, let him suck at them now so it helps him not suck at them when it matters. Get it?

There is no "He's not good enough to let him do _______ yet." Letting him do _______ is what MAKES him good enough.

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we? Because I don't know about you, but I sure enjoyed 2002 more than 2005.

Here I was, thinking we were talking about realistic options. Bill obviously doesn't trust Sams to run the majority of the playbook, that isn't changing in the next month. Maybe that's a terrible decision on Bill's part, I think it probably is, but it's the reality of the situation.

[eastcat]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

[kso_FAN]

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we?

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this. One guy didn't win the job in 2001.

[slobber]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.