Unsettled Waters

[hatingfrancisco]

This whole thing is playing out just like the plot in Twilight. 

[Benja]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

When I just type random crap, sams is a million-million on passes for a bagillion yards and negative a jillion turnovers, and sams is yay and waters is boo. there.

[MakeItRain]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

Dayum! Dobber to eastcat

[Cartierfor3]

Best thing about Waters: unlimited puns.

[kougar24]

I'm a team Sams guy but I"m fine with rotating him and Waters.

THEN YOU AREN'T TEAM SAMS.

Also, saying to play Sams 100% of the time is not akin to saying "Give him 35 carries a game." Saying we can't play Sams just because you think it's a certainty he'll eventually get injured is a stupid argument.

Well the two games where he played nearly 100% of the time that is pretty close to what happened as far as carries go.  I didn't say he'd eventually get hurt I do think he'd wear down and it would be a factor over time.   I think it's pretty dumb to suggest that number of carries and work load for a player isn't a real issue that comes into play.

He's not running the full offense right now.  So that limits up when he's in the game and means he's going to have to carry it a high percentage of the snaps.  If he plays 100% not only are his carries going to pile up but we're going to have a pretty limited offensive attack for teams to prepare for.  IMO  he's too good not to play but he's not ready to run the full offense and take 100% of the snaps.

You play Sams 100% of the snaps and give him 100% of the available playbook. If he's going to suck at some plays, let him suck at them now so it helps him not suck at them when it matters. Get it?

There is no "He's not good enough to let him do _______ yet." Letting him do _______ is what MAKES him good enough.

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we? Because I don't know about you, but I sure enjoyed 2002 more than 2005.

Here I was, thinking we were talking about realistic options. Bill obviously doesn't trust Sams to run the majority of the playbook, that isn't changing in the next month. Maybe that's a terrible decision on Bill's part, I think it probably is, but it's the reality of the situation.

You thought wrong. If we only talked about what Bill WILL do, this would be an exceedingly boring board.

This is about what Bill SHOULD do.

[kougar24]

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we?

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this. One guy didn't win the job in 2001.

What are you talking about? Roberson won the job outright and played 99.9% of the snaps against OU and CU before hurting his ankle. That's when Dunn came back into the picture, and ONLY then (he sucked).

[kso_FAN]

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we?

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this. One guy didn't win the job in 2001.

What are you talking about? Roberson won the job outright and played 99.9% of the snaps against OU and CU before hurting his ankle. That's when Dunn came back into the picture, and ONLY then (he sucked).

By the bowl game they were rotating snaps. The next season Dunn played some until Roberson took over.

[eastcat]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

Dayum! Dobber to eastcat

Didn't realize waters plays on the offensive line.

Peyton Manning was sacked 4 times for -21 yards last week. He must be rough ridin' atrocious also!

[kougar24]

Let's let this be 2001 instead of 2004, shall we?

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this. One guy didn't win the job in 2001.

What are you talking about? Roberson won the job outright and played 99.9% of the snaps against OU and CU before hurting his ankle. That's when Dunn came back into the picture, and ONLY then (he sucked).

By the bowl game they were rotating snaps. The next season Dunn played some until Roberson took over.

Because Roberson wasn't 100%. The next season was Snyder's little "wake up call" after a lackluster week of prep from Ell. Then he hurt himself again and sat out the Eastern Ill. game (v. Romo) before taking the reins for good against USC after coming back to the field.

There was no indecisive carousel between Roberson and Dunn like there is now. And we're going to pay for it.

[kso_FAN]

There was no indecisive carousel between Roberson and Dunn like there is now. And we're going to pay for it.

Ell might have been banged up, but there was plenty of QB carousel throughout the 2001 season regardless. Games throughout the Big 12 where Roberson played a ton (ISU) or Dunn (MU) and a bunch where both played.

[kougar24]

There was no indecisive carousel between Roberson and Dunn like there is now. And we're going to pay for it.

Ell might have been banged up, but there was plenty of QB carousel throughout the 2001 season regardless. Games throughout the Big 12 where Roberson played a ton (ISU) or Dunn (MU) and a bunch where both played.

Without the injuries, Ell plays all the snaps from OU and CU onward. No comparison. The bowl is the only exception. Snyder was as stupid in that bowl as he's being now.

[MakeItRain]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

Dayum! Dobber to eastcat

Didn't realize waters plays on the offensive line.

Peyton Manning was sacked 4 times for -21 yards last week. He must be rough ridin' atrocious also!

Hey surprise surprise the acceptable standard for QBs has once again changed, now QBs have no role in getting sacked. Is he responsible when he sees a blitz coming in his face but doesn't find the hot reciver and get rid of the ball quick enough?

[kougar24]

Waters is TERRIBLE at detecting pressure. Just brutally bad.

[michigancat]

There was no indecisive carousel between Roberson and Dunn like there is now. And we're going to pay for it.

Ell might have been banged up, but there was plenty of QB carousel throughout the 2001 season regardless. Games throughout the Big 12 where Roberson played a ton (ISU) or Dunn (MU) and a bunch where both played.

Without the injuries, Ell plays all the snaps from OU and CU onward. No comparison. The bowl is the only exception. Snyder was as stupid in that bowl as he's being now.

Ell got pulled during aTm and Dunn scored 2 TD's in a row and almost won.

[kougar24]

There was no indecisive carousel between Roberson and Dunn like there is now. And we're going to pay for it.

Ell might have been banged up, but there was plenty of QB carousel throughout the 2001 season regardless. Games throughout the Big 12 where Roberson played a ton (ISU) or Dunn (MU) and a bunch where both played.

Without the injuries, Ell plays all the snaps from OU and CU onward. No comparison. The bowl is the only exception. Snyder was as stupid in that bowl as he's being now.

Ell got pulled during aTm and Dunn scored 2 TD's in a row and almost won.

Dunn had zero passing TDs v aTm. That was also Ell's first game off his ankle injury.

[michigancat]

read the recap, dumbass:

http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/102001aaa.html

[kougar24]

read the recap, dumbass:

http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/102001aaa.html

Yeah, and which of my statements was false? Dunn had 0 passing TDs and that was Roberson's first game off of his injury. Dumbass.

[eastcat]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

Dayum! Dobber to eastcat

Didn't realize waters plays on the offensive line.

Peyton Manning was sacked 4 times for -21 yards last week. He must be rough ridin' atrocious also!

Hey surprise surprise the acceptable standard for QBs has once again changed, now QBs have no role in getting sacked. Is he responsible when he sees a blitz coming in his face but doesn't find the hot reciver and get rid of the ball quick enough?

"Hot" receiver?  This isn't Madden 2014.

The football iq of this board has fallen a solid 6000% since last season.

[star seed 7]

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

This thread is fun. 

[Winters]

 

[MakeItRain]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

Dayum! Dobber to eastcat

Didn't realize waters plays on the offensive line.

Peyton Manning was sacked 4 times for -21 yards last week. He must be rough ridin' atrocious also!

Hey surprise surprise the acceptable standard for QBs has once again changed, now QBs have no role in getting sacked. Is he responsible when he sees a blitz coming in his face but doesn't find the hot reciver and get rid of the ball quick enough?

"Hot" receiver?  This isn't Madden 2014.

The football iq of this board has fallen a solid 6000% since last season.

Hmmmm now a qb can't see the blitz coming and get the ball to where the blitz is coming from. It seems as if eastcat thinks the qb in incapable of being responsible for anything, lets just put Ryan Mueller back there then. Also please STFU about football iq, you mention it in every other post, you're talking about football on a message board just like the rest of us, Nick Saban isn't calling your Cricket Wireless, bro.

[kougar24]

When you drop the sacks, waters rushed for 48 yards on 5 rushes.

When you take away the int's against OSU, Sams was 15-18 for 181 yards. PLUS, he had 118 yards on 27 carries without a single fumble!

EDIT, maybe he had a fumble. Doesn't matter, those stats aren't real, and neither are yours.

Dayum! Dobber to eastcat

Didn't realize waters plays on the offensive line.

Peyton Manning was sacked 4 times for -21 yards last week. He must be rough ridin' atrocious also!

Hey surprise surprise the acceptable standard for QBs has once again changed, now QBs have no role in getting sacked. Is he responsible when he sees a blitz coming in his face but doesn't find the hot reciver and get rid of the ball quick enough?

"Hot" receiver?  This isn't Madden 2014.

The football iq of this board has fallen a solid 6000% since last season.

[kso_FAN]

I think the hot receiver talking point has some validity, and Waters does get caught sometimes. However, there isn't always a hot receiver available because lots of teams use 0 coverage (man with no safety help) or use a delayed blitz (ISU did this once) where there really isn't a hot route available.

My charts pointed out that Waters has had some problems with sacks this year, but when you drop back as much as he does you are going to get sacked more, especially since our offensive line hasn't been stellar this year. Its also really impossible to tell based on tv shots whose "fault" the sack is, but it isn't always the quarterback. I'd guess with Waters this year around half have probably been his fault, but I have no idea even based on rewatching games.

[steve dave]

eastcat's dream QB is a pitching machine that sits stationary in the backfield and throws footballs down the field at a set time not to be determined by the defensive pressure and airmailing receivers 40% of the time.