was thinking about bball today

[sys]

it's been awhile.

anyways, i was pretty pessimistic today.  i think mostly because of the reports that the partial-qualifier guard doesn't have much of a jumpshot combined with the asst coach tweeting about how if you aren't a great shooter and and can't handle, you're marginal.  i know that was in the nba, but i think it mostly applies to ncaa too.  lots of marginal guards on this team.


i probably know less about this team at this point in the year than any kstate team in the last decade, though.  so i could more easily be wrong than has been the case in the past.

[michigancat]

It will sure be a strange year!

[chum1]

I don't see why Weber couldn't get as much out of this year's team as he could last year's.  Not that he will, but he could.  I realize people think Angel was basically Allen Iverson, but he was actually just a cog in the system.

[chum1]

Oh, and, I mean, the system didn't require any dribbling wizardry.

[CNS]

Distribution cog that did its job really really well. 

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[chum1]

Does that mean he's not marginal?  It wasn't part of the original concept.

[CNS]

The Will Spradling Project will come to fruition in like three months.  It's going to be real, in the full shot clock expires without a quality look way.

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[CNS]

Also, no, he isn't marginal, imo.

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[sys]

chum1, don't be carnes.  thanks.

[sys]

please.

[chum1]

My question is this:  What's the difference between last year's players and this year's players with regard to being marginal?  I don't see much of one.

[bones129]

My question is this:  What's the difference between last year's players and this year's players with regard to being marginal?  I don't see much of one.

Please don't say that, because I fear it's true. The difference is these guys can't win the conference.

[sys]

What's the difference between last year's players and this year's players with regard to being marginal?

i think it's going to be about 10 wins.

[chum1]

What's the difference between last year's players and this year's players with regard to being marginal?

i think it's going to be about 10 wins.

If so, it won't be on account of marginal players.  That just wouldn't add up.  So, either you have some other reason for thinking this or you're just being paranoid.

[Mr Bread]

What's the difference between last year's players and this year's players with regard to being marginal?

i think it's going to be about 10 wins.

If so, it won't be on account of marginal players.  That just wouldn't add up.  So, either you have some other reason for thinking this or you're just being paranoid.

Experience tho.

[chum1]

Anyone want to add up the minutes of last year's players prior to last season and this year's players prior to this season so we can compare?

[CNS]

15.6 and 11.4 are what Rodney and Angel averaged, points per game on a team that averaged 69 ppg.  39% of our scoring in just two ppl.  Rod is one of the top 25 most prolific scorers in our history. 

Not a marginal loss.

As far as Assists, as of right now, Angel has 90 more career assists than Shane(who has played a yr longer than Angel), and 91 more than Will(who is also a year further into his career and started many games his frosh season),

None of that seems marginal as far as replacing them with role players.

Our scoring avg went from 72 ppg to 69ppg from 2011-12 to 2012-13, and we just lost 39% of our scoring without even factoring Tay, JO, etc.

[sys]

If so, it won't be on account of marginal players.  That just wouldn't add up.  So, either you have some other reason for thinking this or you're just being paranoid.

yes, difference in players.  i think it adds up.  art was 6th in asst rate among high-major guards, and only two of the guards with higher rates had lower to rates (burke's asst/to stats are ridiculous, btw).  he also hit 80% of fts and ca. 35% of 3s.  you either don't appreciate how good he is, or are pretending not to.  he made everyone on the team better.  same on defense.  i'm expecting the players that will be replacing mcgruder and dob's minutes to be significant downgrades as well.

[chum1]

15.6 and 11.4 are what Rodney and Angel averaged, points per game on a team that averaged 69 ppg.  39% of our scoring in just two ppl.  Rod is one of the top 25 most prolific scorers in our history. 

Not a marginal loss.

As far as Assists, as of right now, Angel has 90 more career assists than Shane(who has played a yr longer than Angel), and 91 more than Will(who is also a year further into his career and started many games his frosh season),

None of that seems marginal as far as replacing them with role players.

Our scoring avg went from 72 ppg to 69ppg from 2011-12 to 2012-13, and we just lost 39% of our scoring without even factoring Tay, JO, etc.

When players leave, they don't take shot attempts with them.  And you can redistribute them however you want.

[chum1]

If so, it won't be on account of marginal players.  That just wouldn't add up.  So, either you have some other reason for thinking this or you're just being paranoid.

yes, difference in players.  i think it adds up.  art was 6th in asst rate among high-major guards, and only two of the guards with higher rates had lower to rates (burke's asst/to stats are ridiculous, btw).  he also hit 80% of fts and ca. 35% of 3s.  you either don't appreciate how good he is, or are pretending not to.  he made everyone on the team better.  same on defense.  i'm expecting the players that will be replacing mcgruder and dob's minutes to be significant downgrades as well.

When you talk about marginal players, I think about talent distribution.  Say, like, the top and bottom 10 percent are very small groups and tthe middle is just a clusterfuck of marginal players.  All of our players come from the middle.

[chum1]

I bet we have a player next year who ranks in the top six of some narrow, arbitrarily chosen category.

[CNS]

Turnovers.

[michigancat]

How do you know the newcomers will be marginal, chum1? What if they're worse than marginal?

[chum1]

How do you know the newcomers will be marginal, chum1? What if they're worse than marginal?

Probability. 

[michigancat]

Still, I also think there is a difference between an 11% marginal player and an 89% marginal player in your "marginal" distribution.