The KU Rayhawks are NOT going through a rough patch. They make Raytown, Missouri proud!

[OregonSmock]

seems like charlie makes it about the players, but really, his play calling sucks.  i like him, but the talent in his program isn't the problem.

Agree about the play-calling.  Fortunately, Weis hired Mangino's former o-line coach to be the new offensive coordinator.  I'm hopeful that Reagan will improve the play-calling next year. 

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.  Go look at Mangino's recruiting classes... KU rarely had more than a dozen commitments before late December.  The recruiting contact period doesn't even begin until December 1st, and it lasts until the beginning of February:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text

[The Big Train]

seems like charlie makes it about the players, but really, his play calling sucks.  i like him, but the talent in his program isn't the problem.

Agree about the play-calling.  Fortunately, Weis hired Mangino's former o-line coach to be the new offensive coordinator.  I'm hopeful that Reagan will improve the play-calling next year. 

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.  Go look at Mangino's recruiting classes... KU rarely had more than a dozen commitments before late December.  The recruiting contact period doesn't even begin until December 1st, and it lasts until the beginning of February:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text

He also won more than 2 conference games over the span of 4 years.  Your 3rd conference win/loss won't come until Aprilish, which is too late to show recruits for this year.

[MakeItRain]

seems like charlie makes it about the players, but really, his play calling sucks.  i like him, but the talent in his program isn't the problem.

Agree about the play-calling.  Fortunately, Weis hired Mangino's former o-line coach to be the new offensive coordinator.  I'm hopeful that Reagan will improve the play-calling next year. 

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.  Go look at Mangino's recruiting classes... KU rarely had more than a dozen commitments before late December.  The recruiting contact period doesn't even begin until December 1st, and it lasts until the beginning of February:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text

Is Mangino recruiting for this staff? Is Charlie consulting Mangino

[ChiComCat]

I don't know what Mangino's classes have to do with this year's class.  I do know that KU is JUCO heavy so it would probably serve them well to bring in a bunch of high school kids to get good will the JUCOs are getting ready to leave soon.  The RB is a good get if Weis (or the next guy) commit to using him.

[CNS]

If it was good enough for a guy that was fired for failing hard at the end of his time, then it's good enough for Chuck!

[Belvis Noland]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.

Welp, numbers don't lie.  Current commitments by school: 

25 (OSU)
23 (UT, Tech, BU)
20 (ISU)
18 (OU, KSU, WVU)
13 (TCU)
11 (KU)

I'm sure KU will fill out their scholarships but, at this time, the number of commits is pretty low. 

[Panjandrum]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.

Welp, numbers don't lie.  Current commitments by school: 

25 (OSU)
23 (UT, Tech, BU)
20 (ISU)
18 (OU, KSU, WVU)
13 (TCU)
11 (KU)

I'm sure KU will fill out their scholarships but, at this time, the number of commits is pretty low.

The bulk of talent left at this point is in the JUCO ranks (which does nothing to help KU at this point and further going back to that well will leave an even bigger hole for the next guy) and really strong prep talent.  KU doesn't seem to be really in on either.

Beems (and other KU fans) need to brace themselves.  Charlie, Year 4, is going to be a nightmare.  New guy in year 5 is going to have absolutely nothing to work with.

KU "may" have a team that flirts with 5-6 wins next year if the ball bounces right.  They'll lose at Duke, but they'll probably get two at home in the non-con vs. CMU and the FCS team.  They've got road games @ Tech, @ KSU, @ Baylor, @ West Virginia, and @ Oklahoma.  It's a 4/5 year for them.  That means they'll most likely need to win the following games at home to get bowl eligible: Texas (15% chance), OSU (5% chance), Iowa State (50+% chance), TCU (40% chance).

And that's going to be the high point in Charlie's tenure.

All I'm saying is that if KU really committed to building the program through recruiting and prep talent, things wouldn't look so bad circa 2016-2018.  But this long winter is just going to continue for them because of these last two recruiting classes.

[The Big Train]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.

Welp, numbers don't lie.  Current commitments by school: 

25 (OSU)
23 (UT, Tech, BU)
20 (ISU)
18 (OU, KSU, WVU)
13 (TCU)
11 (KU)

I'm sure KU will fill out their scholarships but, at this time, the number of commits is pretty low.

The bulk of talent left at this point is in the JUCO ranks (which does nothing to help KU at this point and further going back to that well will leave an even bigger hole for the next guy) and really strong prep talent.  KU doesn't seem to be really in on either.

Beems (and other KU fans) need to brace themselves.  Charlie, Year 4, is going to be a nightmare.  New guy in year 5 is going to have absolutely nothing to work with.

KU "may" have a team that flirts with 5-6 wins next year if the ball bounces right.  They'll lose at Duke, but they'll probably get two at home in the non-con vs. CMU and the FCS team.  They've got road games @ Tech, @ KSU, @ Baylor, @ West Virginia, and @ Oklahoma.  It's a 4/5 year for them.  That means they'll most likely need to win the following games at home to get bowl eligible: Texas (15% chance), OSU (5% chance), Iowa State (50+% chance), TCU (40% chance).

And that's going to be the high point in Charlie's tenure.

All I'm saying is that if KU really committed to building the program through recruiting and prep talent, things wouldn't look so bad circa 2016-2018.  But this long winter is just going to continue for them because of these last two recruiting classes.

It's not like the past 5 years they have even been remotely close to being competitive, so if the last few years is the bright spot of the new Futility U.  Oh man. 

[OregonSmock]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.

Welp, numbers don't lie.  Current commitments by school: 

25 (OSU)
23 (UT, Tech, BU)
20 (ISU)
18 (OU, KSU, WVU)
13 (TCU)
11 (KU)

I'm sure KU will fill out their scholarships but, at this time, the number of commits is pretty low.

The bulk of talent left at this point is in the JUCO ranks (which does nothing to help KU at this point and further going back to that well will leave an even bigger hole for the next guy) and really strong prep talent.  KU doesn't seem to be really in on either.

Beems (and other KU fans) need to brace themselves.  Charlie, Year 4, is going to be a nightmare.  New guy in year 5 is going to have absolutely nothing to work with.

KU "may" have a team that flirts with 5-6 wins next year if the ball bounces right.  They'll lose at Duke, but they'll probably get two at home in the non-con vs. CMU and the FCS team.  They've got road games @ Tech, @ KSU, @ Baylor, @ West Virginia, and @ Oklahoma.  It's a 4/5 year for them.  That means they'll most likely need to win the following games at home to get bowl eligible: Texas (15% chance), OSU (5% chance), Iowa State (50+% chance), TCU (40% chance).

And that's going to be the high point in Charlie's tenure.

All I'm saying is that if KU really committed to building the program through recruiting and prep talent, things wouldn't look so bad circa 2016-2018.  But this long winter is just going to continue for them because of these last two recruiting classes.

You have no idea what you're talking about.  KU has always used late December and January to bring recruits in for official visits.  Also, last year's juco heavy class won't be as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be.  A lot of the juco guys redshirted this past year, which will balance out the class, and a few of them came in as sophomores (Big 12 D-NCOY Isaiah Johnson being one of them).  KU's current recruiting class has twice as many high school prospects as juco prospects, and I'd guess that it will end up that way when all is said and done. 

[CNS]

KU has always recruited this way and it has worked out great

[Belvis Noland]

There's something to be said about recruiting early and often and not waiting til the last minute.  Kinda like Christmas shopping.  You wait until Christmas Eve, you're liable to get mumped when everything's all picked over.  ya know? 

Bill used to recruit this way too.  He was too busy to recruit in-season.  And he got mumped.  The trend now (pretty obvious when you look at commitment lists) is to get these kids in early and lock em up.  You look at the top 25 recruiting classes and most of those programs have between 20-30 kids committed.  Of the top 100 recruiting classes, KU has the 2nd fewest commits behind Washington (6).

Can't recruit this way and be successful.  facts are facts.     

[kslim]

sounds more and more like prince everyday.

[SEK_EMAW]

KU has always recruited this way and it has worked out great

Exactly.  History speaks for itself...

[FranklyFrankYou]

Personally, im really surprised Wrench has kept his commitment. Why would any kid want to go to a school and know that you are staring straight down the barrel at 3 or 4 wins max. I mean, everyone wants to win, that's why you play the game.

[ChiComCat]

Personally, im really surprised Wrench has kept his commitment. Why would any kid want to go to a school and know that you are staring straight down the barrel at 3 or 4 wins max. I mean, everyone wants to win, that's why you play the game.

With their talent and how Weis has showcased the passing game, I would expect a 4* RB will get 250+ touches a season for 4 years at a BCS program.

[FranklyFrankYou]

I mean, they have one of the best backs in the league in Sims, yet Weis seems content to run pro style with Heaps and then a predictable read option with Cozart. Is Wrench a huge KU fan or just a glutton for punishment?//

[CatMission]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.

Welp, numbers don't lie.  Current commitments by school: 

25 (OSU)
23 (UT, Tech, BU)
20 (ISU)
18 (OU, KSU, WVU)
13 (TCU)
11 (KU)

I'm sure KU will fill out their scholarships but, at this time, the number of commits is pretty low.

The bulk of talent left at this point is in the JUCO ranks (which does nothing to help KU at this point and further going back to that well will leave an even bigger hole for the next guy) and really strong prep talent.  KU doesn't seem to be really in on either.

Beems (and other KU fans) need to brace themselves.  Charlie, Year 4, is going to be a nightmare.  New guy in year 5 is going to have absolutely nothing to work with.

KU "may" have a team that flirts with 5-6 wins next year if the ball bounces right.  They'll lose at Duke, but they'll probably get two at home in the non-con vs. CMU and the FCS team.  They've got road games @ Tech, @ KSU, @ Baylor, @ West Virginia, and @ Oklahoma.  It's a 4/5 year for them.  That means they'll most likely need to win the following games at home to get bowl eligible: Texas (15% chance), OSU (5% chance), Iowa State (50+% chance), TCU (40% chance).

And that's going to be the high point in Charlie's tenure.

All I'm saying is that if KU really committed to building the program through recruiting and prep talent, things wouldn't look so bad circa 2016-2018.  But this long winter is just going to continue for them because of these last two recruiting classes.

You have no idea what you're talking about.  KU has always used late December and January to bring recruits in for official visits.  Also, last year's juco heavy class won't be as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be.  A lot of the juco guys redshirted this past year, which will balance out the class, and a few of them came in as sophomores (Big 12 D-NCOY Isaiah Johnson being one of them).  KU's current recruiting class has twice as many high school prospects as juco prospects, and I'd guess that it will end up that way when all is said and done.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Late December to mid-January is a recruiting dead period. If they've been doing this, someone alert the NCAA.


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[Dugout DickStone]

If you are a KU fan and your staff is being out recruited by Bill's kitchen managers you have to be scared to death.

[ljmhawk2]

 

Personally, im really surprised Wrench has kept his commitment. Why would any kid want to go to a school and know that you are staring straight down the barrel at 3 or 4 wins max. I mean, everyone wants to win, that's why you play the game.

because he will get to play at KU unlike SAMs.

[Cire]

Beems this is one of those times when you need to take a cautious approach to how ku is doing something to save yourself from someonewquoting you about this stuff in a year or two.

[Panjandrum]

There's something to be said about recruiting early and often and not waiting til the last minute.  Kinda like Christmas shopping.  You wait until Christmas Eve, you're liable to get mumped when everything's all picked over.  ya know? 

Bill used to recruit this way too.  He was too busy to recruit in-season.  And he got mumped.  The trend now (pretty obvious when you look at commitment lists) is to get these kids in early and lock em up.  You look at the top 25 recruiting classes and most of those programs have between 20-30 kids committed.  Of the top 100 recruiting classes, KU has the 2nd fewest commits behind Washington (6).

Can't recruit this way and be successful.  facts are facts.     

I was going to reply, but I don't need to do it now.

The game changed.  You can't recruit like Weis (apparently) is and be successful.  Even Snyder figured this out, and he has a clinical aversion to change.

I think Beems is secretly freaked out and is lashing out at us.

[scottwildcat]

If you are a KU fan and your staff is being out recruited by Bill's kitchen managers you have to be scared to death.

Not a good time for being a KU fball fan

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

After reading more about Charlie's recruiting "strategy" I'm absolutely floored that he hasn't been fired.  I mean lol at their abysmal recruiting.  Last year was hilariously awful and this year looks twice as bad.

[O-town Kat]

Beems this is one of those times when you need to take a cautious approach to how ku is doing something to save yourself from someonewquoting you about this stuff in a year or two.

Im enjoying these

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The only good (and that's a very relative term) players Ku had were recruited by Turner. Charlie's guys have sucked ass.