The KU Rayhawks are NOT going through a rough patch. They make Raytown, Missouri proud!

[Bqqkie Pimp]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

This is a myth perpetuated by tucks like yourself.

Welp, numbers don't lie.  Current commitments by school: 

25 (OSU)
23 (UT, Tech, BU)
20 (ISU)
18 (OU, KSU, WVU)
13 (TCU)
11 (KU)

I'm sure KU will fill out their scholarships but, at this time, the number of commits is pretty low.

The bulk of talent left at this point is in the JUCO ranks (which does nothing to help KU at this point and further going back to that well will leave an even bigger hole for the next guy) and really strong prep talent.  KU doesn't seem to be really in on either.

Beems (and other KU fans) need to brace themselves.  Charlie, Year 4, is going to be a nightmare.  New guy in year 5 is going to have absolutely nothing to work with.

KU "may" have a team that flirts with 5-6 wins next year if the ball bounces right.  They'll lose at Duke, but they'll probably get two at home in the non-con vs. CMU and the FCS team.  They've got road games @ Tech, @ KSU, @ Baylor, @ West Virginia, and @ Oklahoma.  It's a 4/5 year for them.  That means they'll most likely need to win the following games at home to get bowl eligible: Texas (15% chance), OSU (5% chance), Iowa State (50+% chance), TCU (40% chance).

And that's going to be the high point in Charlie's tenure.

All I'm saying is that if KU really committed to building the program through recruiting and prep talent, things wouldn't look so bad circa 2016-2018.  But this long winter is just going to continue for them because of these last two recruiting classes.

You have no idea what you're talking about.  KU has always used late December and January to bring recruits in for official visits.  Also, last year's juco heavy class won't be as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be.  A lot of the juco guys redshirted this past year, which will balance out the class, and a few of them came in as sophomores (Big 12 D-NCOY Isaiah Johnson being one of them).  KU's current recruiting class has twice as many high school prospects as juco prospects, and I'd guess that it will end up that way when all is said and done.

"Let's bring the football recruits in and show them how exciting AFH is rather than the empty "setting". It's our only hope." -- Sincerely every ku football coach

 

[OregonSmock]

K-State has generally signed around half its recruiting classes after the beginning of December as well.   


http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/kansasstate-21

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/kansasstate-21

December 1 through February 1 is the recruiting contact period with only a couple exceptions for mid-year jucos:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text


Don't let facts get in the way of a good circle jerk, though. 


 

[kim carnes]

Damn.  You guys just got owned.

[jtksu]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

Similar to RP's juco grab FTW?

Both have oversized egos and believe they're smarter than everyone else.

So you're saying they share traits with pretty much every successful person ever?

I wouldn't call either a successful HC.   Thus, the oversized part.   If they had success, their egos would be justified.

[jtksu]

I think the scariest thing, if I'm a KU fan, is that at this point, they have an alarmingly low amount of commitments (that we know about), especially from high schools considering how upperclassman heavy they're going to be.

Similar to RP's juco grab FTW?

The two coaches aren't all that different.   Both rode the coattails of great coaches and straight up sucked as HCs.  Both have oversized egos and believe they're smarter than everyone else.

What great coach did Prince ride the coattails of?  His mentor was Al Groh who got canned at Virginia and than was ran out with prejudice as DC at Georgia Tech.  Prince rode the cottails of someone who rode the coattails (Groh is a Parcells guy). 

That is what pissed me off the most about Prince's hiring.  He never was part of a top program or had the kind of success anywhere to merit consideration for a BCS level head coaching job.   

That's what I was referring to.   Everyone touted Prince as being part of the Parcells coaching tree when he got hired.

[ksupamplemousse]

K-State has generally signed around half its recruiting classes after the beginning of December as well.   


http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/kansasstate-21

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/kansasstate-21

December 1 through February 1 is the recruiting contact period with only a couple exceptions for mid-year jucos:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text


Don't let facts get in the way of a good circle jerk, though. 


 

Yeah, Bill is one of the only coaches that does this successfully though, and even old ballz has put more of a priority on locking up talent earlier this year. Unless a coach has a track record of cleaning up on undecided juco players late in the process, or is a wizard like LHC Bill Snyder, then I would be worried as a fan. That's just me though, I'm sure KU will be fine.

[kim carnes]

Oregonsmock owned you guys so hard that I am actually embarrassed for you (not joking)

[KSUBrian]

Oregonsmock owned you guys so hard that I am actually embarrassed for you (not joking)

pppfffttt!! Those results he is touting are such old news.

[The Big Train]

Oregonsmock owned you guys so hard that I am actually embarrassed for you (not joking)

Your witch is letting you stay up awful late KC.

[bones129]

Not your best carnes.

[jtksu]

Not your best carnes.

Maybe it was.   Kinda like trying to figure out which piece of beef is best in a can of dog food.

[bones129]

Not your best carnes.

Maybe it was.   Kinda like trying to figure out which piece of beef is best in a can of dog food.

 

[Belvis Noland]

Oregonsmock owned you guys so hard that I am actually embarrassed for you (not joking)

Like I said, "Bill used to recruit this way too."  The point is that average coaches (or below average in Weis' case) can't recruit this way anymore and hope for sustained recruiting success.  Yes, in 2012, KSU has 21 recruits, with only 11 commitments by mid December.  wasn't a great class on paper.  Fortunately, we've got an above average coach, exceptional talent developer on our sideline.   

Notwithstanding, our last 2 classes have been more in line with the trend of securing commitments early.  In 2013, 16 of our 22 commits (75%) were locked up by mid-December.  In 2014, we've got 18 committed.   

 

[ChiComCat]

K-State has generally signed around half its recruiting classes after the beginning of December as well.   


http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/kansasstate-21

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/kansasstate-21

December 1 through February 1 is the recruiting contact period with only a couple exceptions for mid-year jucos:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text


Don't let facts get in the way of a good circle jerk, though. 


 

Do you even read what you post?  Looks like about 16 of the 43 in those classes were signed after December.  My nephew who is in third grade and apparently better at math than you says you would have to make a pretty big leap to consider that half.

[Dugout DickStone]

Chi's nephew!   

[Cire]

Yeah, bill II after the first class has had quite a few spring and summer commits then a lull during the season, then the juco's trickle in.

Bill I was defn always late to the party.

[Belvis Noland]

Yeah, bill II after the first class has had quite a few spring and summer commits then a lull during the season, then the juco's trickle in.

Bill I was defn always late to the party.

 

Bill I didn't have to compete with other schools for JuCo studs. 

[Cire]

he was after 02/03 for sure.  maybe earlier.

the juco gold mine was 90's.

[Pett]

KU has always recruited this way and it has worked out great

Exactly.  History speaks for itself...

It was the sole reason for their big 12 victory this season you guys

[OregonSmock]

K-State has generally signed around half its recruiting classes after the beginning of December as well.   


http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2012/kansasstate-21

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansas/football/recruiting/commitments/2013/kansasstate-21

December 1 through February 1 is the recruiting contact period with only a couple exceptions for mid-year jucos:

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/recruiting+calendars/division+i/bowl+subdivision+football+recruiting+calendar+text


Don't let facts get in the way of a good circle jerk, though. 


 

Do you even read what you post?  Looks like about 16 of the 43 in those classes were signed after December.  My nephew who is in third grade and apparently better at math than you says you would have to make a pretty big leap to consider that half.

Let's do math.







21/43 signed after the beginning of December.  Bottom line, quit using dumbass talking points.

[Belvis Noland]

The discussion was KU's 11 commits as of 12/16/2013.  So, if we you want to compare to big brother's recruiting, 12/16 would be a more appropriate cutoff, no?     

[ChiComCat]

The discussion was KU's 11 commits as of 12/16/2013.  So, if we you want to compare to big brother's recruiting, 12/16 would be a more appropriate cutoff, no?     

What this guy said

[OregonSmock]

The discussion was KU's 11 commits as of 12/16/2013.  So, if we you want to compare to big brother's recruiting, 12/16 would be a more appropriate cutoff, no?   

No.  KU has 12 commitments, by the way (13 if you count Andre Maloney - RIP).  It won't be a big class (probably 20-21 at most).  Quit being idiots.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The discussion was KU's 11 commits as of 12/16/2013.  So, if we you want to compare to big brother's recruiting, 12/16 would be a more appropriate cutoff, no?   

No.  KU has 12 commitments, by the way (13 if you count Andre Maloney - RIP).  It won't be a big class (probably 20-21 at most).  Quit being idiots.

Mark it down. KU is doing a great job recruiting, has a good class and is right on schedule with commits, has no issue with class balance (LOfuckingL), is doing the same thing kstate did because Weis is just like Snyder.  Kim Carnes confirms.

KU Football is no hurting, its right where its supposed to be.

[sonofdaxjones]

When you're a fan of the worst major college football program in the country, you're pretty much left with nothing but feel good talking points.