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Coaching at Michigan in a stadium of 113,000 sold out die hard football fans.  Or coaching at a very clean but dated stadium that is lucky to get 50,000 fans to attend a game and stay after halftime.  Maybe a year or two max for his wife.  Clearly a no win situation for both parties.
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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.
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That is hands down the most delusional thing posted in this thread, and that says a ton.

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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.
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Also Stanford has 107 team NCAA Championships, what about that isn't "taking a deep dive into supporting athletics?" Stanford has more NCAA Championships in the last 5 years than KU does all time.

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Harbaugh would have been great for the year or two he would have been in Lawrence but more important KU would not be in the mess they are in now.

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Honestly, Lew's refusal to let Harbaugh coach Stanford in their bowl game is top of the list of how he screwed up KU football. Monumental screw up.

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I think it has been pretty well established that we basically hired him, but Lew's stipulations kept him from accepting, and then Gill happened. Harbaugh is obviously a top three coach at the college level, and even if he only staid 2 years we would be better off. But, that all didn't happen so stfu and sack up for the looooong rebuild ahead courtesy of Gill/Charles.

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Didn't harbaugh himself admit to it?  Maybe not the details, but that he was going to come.
He did. He essentially said the deal was done, but there were some hang ups and it fell apart.

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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.

I like when one of them spelled, "staid," and not, "stayed." What a dumbass.


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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.
Whoa

That is hands down the most delusional thing posted in this thread, and that says a ton.

I was going to say something very similar. I mean, everything about that is so wrong, I don't even know where to start. I can't even.

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Harbaugh would have been great for the year or two he would have been in Lawrence but more important KU would not be in the mess they are in now.

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Honestly, Lew's refusal to let Harbaugh coach Stanford in their bowl game is top of the list of how he screwed up KU football. Monumental screw up.

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I think it has been pretty well established that we basically hired him, but Lew's stipulations kept him from accepting, and then Gill happened. Harbaugh is obviously a top three coach at the college level, and even if he only staid 2 years we would be better off. But, that all didn't happen so stfu and sack up for the looooong rebuild ahead courtesy of Gill/Charles.

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Didn't harbaugh himself admit to it?  Maybe not the details, but that he was going to come.
He did. He essentially said the deal was done, but there were some hang ups and it fell apart.

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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.

I like when one of them spelled, "staid," and not, "stayed." What a dumbass.


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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.
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KU was probably a better job at that point since the setting in Lawrence is way better than wherever the hell Stanford is at.

I know this was spoken in jest, but Stanford is truly one of the most beautiful campuses on the planet.  The students are friendly, it's where I'd want to go to school if I hadn't already graduated from K-State, and could meet their admission standards.  It would take about 5 minutes for anyone of average intelligence or better to discern that Stanford is heads above about every other campus in the US.

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In 2009 KU was about an equal job to Stanford.  Neither team had great football tradition.  In 2008 Stanford was 5-7, in 2009 KU was 5-7.  Stanford isn't exactly known for taking a deep dive into supporting athletics.
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Also Stanford has 107 team NCAA Championships, what about that isn't "taking a deep dive into supporting athletics?" Stanford has more NCAA Championships in the last 5 years than KU does all time.

This was the first thing that came to mind when I read that drivel. Really, all 4 Pac 12 Cali School (Cal, Stanford, UCLA, and USC) can laugh at pretty much the entire rest of the country when it comes to titles, let alone KU. National titles Cal: 34, Stanford: 107, UCLA: 112, USC: 100, KU: 13
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It didn't happen, but it the position was offered, a contract was written, and the details were in negotiation. The nail in the coffin was the bowl game. It was also one of the least intelligent ultimatums I have ever heard due to the timing...Perkins wanted him in Lawrence to assemble his staff and to start recruiting...but the dead period started on 12/17 (Gill hired on 12/14) and ended on 1/11 (Sun Bowl was 12/31). Harbaugh had more than enough time to hire his staff and get set up before the dead period ended (Gill was still hiring staff in January IIRC) and 3 days worth of recruiting doesn't mean squat.
Anyone that is calling BS needs to take a step back and evaluate the state of the two programs in 2009. If you are trying to look at the two programs from a 2015 perspective, it's a no-brainer. In 2009 though it was a much, much different story.
Stanford circa 2009: Stanford's football stadium went through a $100 mil renovation in 05-06. Stadiums are typically renovated for benefit of fans, while locker rooms, weight rooms, and offices are renovated for the benefit of the players. It decreased capacity from 85k to 50k. The 2009 team was the first Stanford team to go to a bowl since 2001. Stanford's avg attendance in 2009 was 41435 but was skewed by hosting ND and Cal for The Big Game (both were above capacity). Avg attendance for the other 5 home games was 37805. They had a new stadium that they couldn't fill up in their first bowl season in 8 years. Harbaugh was making $750k and his contract extension and negotiations had been stalled for a year because Stanford didn't want to give the impression that athletics were more important than academics. The general opinion at that time was Harbaugh didn't deserve a raise because he was already making twice as much as the university president.
KU circa 2009: $31 mil football locker room, weight room, football office facility was less than 18 months old. Attendance (home games only, not counting Arrowhead) in a 5-7 campaign was 50586 with only one game falling below 50k all season. KU had been bowl eligible 4 of the previous 5 seasons. Mangino was making $2.3 mil in 2009 and the administration had shown a history of stepping up when it came to coaching pay.
Harbaugh was NEVER going to be at Stanford long term. He was always shooting for the NFL and it was a always just a matter of how soon it happened. Knowing that, it was about piling up wins and making money. At Stanford he had 9 conference games and 3 noncons...one of which is always Notre Dame. Remember we're talking about 2009 here. At KU, he had 4 noncons with the freedom to schedule whoever he wanted to include FCS teams. He also had a relatively soft 5 game Big 12 North slate. Then he had a 2 year set with Okie St/Baylor/A&M or OU/UT/Tech. That's a recipe for 8 wins in most years and 10+ in good years for a good coach.
The contract Gill got was Harbaugh's with some tweaks. So Harbaugh was offered 2 mil a year for 5 years with a full contract buyout. That kind of contract makes sense for an up and coming coach who had already interviewed for an NFL gig (Jets January 2009) who would also likely be on every Muchigan shortlist for eternity as long as he performed.
If you're looking for evidence that Harbaugh to KU look at the contract that Gill got. A guy making 400k with a .400 record at a non-AQ school who had only been interviewed by one other program (Auburn 2008). That resume doesn't require increasing a salary by 5 times nor does it require the same type of buyout.
I hear what people are saying about just trying to force an extension/raise at Stanford. That said, guys that are trying to get a raise don't turn down 2 mil to make 1.5 mil...especially guys that know they aren't planning on being there any longer than they have to.
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A+ source in KU AD said the Harbaugh submitted resume to KU via fax, and Perkins didn't even look at it.  He wanted and was going to get Gill regardless of cost.  So, it appears that KU's expectations of hiring Harbaugh were actually realistic, but Lew wasn't going to even look at Harbaugh as a candidate.  All the comparisons that KU fans make of KU to Stanford are hilarious.  Just spend a day on the Stanford campus, and the absurdity of comparing the two institutions of higher learning becomes apparent.

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I have never seen a group of people more proud of a failure than KU fans are about not landing Harbaugh.

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the harbaugh stuff is 100% fabrication fwiw

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the harbaugh stuff is 100% fabrication fwiw

I love that they think ku just did a find and replace on the names and the contract is exactly the same
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the harbaugh stuff is 100% fabrication fwiw
you have to really give Harbaugh's KU grad BiL a ton of credit for keeping this urban legend alive, Petro was just re-affirming it on 810 yesterday

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the harbaugh stuff is 100% fabrication fwiw

I love that they think ku just did a find and replace on the names and the contract is exactly the same
Yeah.  The fact that they made a terrible hire with terrible terms is the best evidence that they were about to get Harbaugh.


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the harbaugh stuff is 100% fabrication fwiw
you have to really give Harbaugh's KU grad BiL a ton of credit for keeping this urban legend alive, Petro was just re-affirming it on 810 yesterday
Jim and his wife probably told her family that they really wanted to move back to Kansas because that's what they wanted to hear.  Then, they just found whatever flimsy excuse they could find to not follow through with it.

"Yeah, we totally wanted to take that job and move from the Bay Area back to Kansas, but Lew wouldn't let Jim stick around through the bowl game, so we just couldn't do it.  You know how loyal he is, and I'm sure he's talked your ear off numerous times about his lifelong dream to coach in the Sun Bowl."

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You can really build a solid program on trying to convince everyone that a famous coach almost coached there and praying another famous coach at a different program dies soon.

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If Harbaugh did take that job at that time, how many games would he have won by now?  10? 

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A+ source in KU AD said the Harbaugh submitted resume to KU via fax, and Perkins didn't even look at it.  He wanted and was going to get Gill regardless of cost.  So, it appears that KU's expectations of hiring Harbaugh were actually realistic, but Lew wasn't going to even look at Harbaugh as a candidate.  All the comparisons that KU fans make of KU to Stanford are hilarious.  Just spend a day on the Stanford campus, and the absurdity of comparing the two institutions of higher learning becomes apparent.

I love the idea of a coach as good as Harbaugh having to fax in a resume and praying he gets an interview.

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You can really build a solid program on trying to convince everyone that a famous coach almost coached there and praying another famous coach at a different program dies soon.

Some of the best analysis I've seen on the interwebs in some time. 

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A+ source in KU AD said the Harbaugh submitted resume to KU via fax, and Perkins didn't even look at it.  He wanted and was going to get Gill regardless of cost.  So, it appears that KU's expectations of hiring Harbaugh were actually realistic, but Lew wasn't going to even look at Harbaugh as a candidate.  All the comparisons that KU fans make of KU to Stanford are hilarious.  Just spend a day on the Stanford campus, and the absurdity of comparing the two institutions of higher learning becomes apparent.

I love the idea of a coach as good as Harbaugh having to fax in a resume and praying he gets an interview.

Or, if the fax indicates the seriousness in which Harbaugh applied for the job.

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Not to beat a dead horse, but I hadn't seen this angle yet. Good Lord...



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SMDH some of you need to go take a class in TSC. That is 4th qtr in a colossal beat down. Cut little bro some slack