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Everytime I read beems posts about 'revenue', I'm reminded why K-State is lapping ku in virtually everything... Can anybody confirm whether ku teaches the difference between revenue and profitability over there?

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Revenue is more important for an athletic department.

Decent football stadiums are also helpful.


KU went 12-1 and won an Orange Bowl with worse than what we have now.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.   :ROFL:


What's the problem?  KU had its best season ever without the current football complex and the stsdium upgrades.  You guys updated your shitty stadium and got worse last year.

ku finally caught up with the rest of the conference with the AFC, and promptly put together the worst five season run in major college football.


Yeah, you're just helping strengthen my point.  K-State upgraded from the 2nd-tiniest, 2nd-shittiest pressbox in the Big 12, and followed up "titletown" by going 8-5 and losing at home to an FCS school.

Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.


Well, you just helped strengthen my point too.  By the way, KU leads the all-time series vs. K-State by like 24 games.

You're trolling every time you bring up all time records, right? I mean, you know how stupid that talking point is, right?


Historical data seems relevant when discussing historical performance.  No?


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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

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If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.


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Everytime I read beems posts about 'revenue', I'm reminded why K-State is lapping ku in virtually everything... Can anybody confirm whether ku teaches the difference between revenue and profitability over there?

 :whistle1:


Revenue is more important for an athletic department.

Decent football stadiums are also helpful.


KU went 12-1 and won an Orange Bowl with worse than what we have now.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.   :ROFL:


What's the problem?  KU had its best season ever without the current football complex and the stsdium upgrades.  You guys updated your shitty stadium and got worse last year.

ku finally caught up with the rest of the conference with the AFC, and promptly put together the worst five season run in major college football.


Yeah, you're just helping strengthen my point.  K-State upgraded from the 2nd-tiniest, 2nd-shittiest pressbox in the Big 12, and followed up "titletown" by going 8-5 and losing at home to an FCS school.

Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.


Well, you just helped strengthen my point too.  By the way, KU leads the all-time series vs. K-State by like 24 games.

 :lol: :lol: Early history is now irrelevant. We've owned KU for so long now that it's almost getting boring. Oh, we play KU this year? Chalk up another big win.

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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

Well, you keep clinging to the good old day (singular on purpose).





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Everytime I read beems posts about 'revenue', I'm reminded why K-State is lapping ku in virtually everything... Can anybody confirm whether ku teaches the difference between revenue and profitability over there?

 :whistle1:


Revenue is more important for an athletic department.

Decent football stadiums are also helpful.


KU went 12-1 and won an Orange Bowl with worse than what we have now.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.   :ROFL:


What's the problem?  KU had its best season ever without the current football complex and the stsdium upgrades.  You guys updated your shitty stadium and got worse last year.

ku finally caught up with the rest of the conference with the AFC, and promptly put together the worst five season run in major college football.


Yeah, you're just helping strengthen my point.  K-State upgraded from the 2nd-tiniest, 2nd-shittiest pressbox in the Big 12, and followed up "titletown" by going 8-5 and losing at home to an FCS school.

Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.


Well, you just helped strengthen my point too.  By the way, KU leads the all-time series vs. K-State by like 24 games.

You're trolling every time you bring up all time records, right? I mean, you know how stupid that talking point is, right?


Historical data seems relevant when discussing historical performance.  No?


 :dunno:

Beems, you're a smart guy. So you have to know that results of football games fifty years ago have no significance to the current states of programs.

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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

Hope you have a t-shirt from that game. Curl up with it and sleep tight tonight.   :lol:

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If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.


You're comparing KU's athletic department to UT's now? 


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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

Hope you have a t-shirt from that game. Curl up with it and sleep tight tonight.   :lol:

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Everytime I read beems posts about 'revenue', I'm reminded why K-State is lapping ku in virtually everything... Can anybody confirm whether ku teaches the difference between revenue and profitability over there?

 :whistle1:


Revenue is more important for an athletic department.

Decent football stadiums are also helpful.


KU went 12-1 and won an Orange Bowl with worse than what we have now.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.   :ROFL:


What's the problem?  KU had its best season ever without the current football complex and the stsdium upgrades.  You guys updated your shitty stadium and got worse last year.

ku finally caught up with the rest of the conference with the AFC, and promptly put together the worst five season run in major college football.


Yeah, you're just helping strengthen my point.  K-State upgraded from the 2nd-tiniest, 2nd-shittiest pressbox in the Big 12, and followed up "titletown" by going 8-5 and losing at home to an FCS school.

Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.


Well, you just helped strengthen my point too.  By the way, KU leads the all-time series vs. K-State by like 24 games.

 :lol: :lol: Early history is now irrelevant. We've owned KU for so long now that it's almost getting boring. Oh, we play KU this year? Chalk up another big win.


If it's so boring, why is this thread the #1 topic on your message board?

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Can someone help me understand what Beems is doing here.  I get that he's here to get personal validation.  However, he's trying to get it thru weak phog talking points and trying to win arguments via talking in circles.  He posts that KU is spending money and gives examples like the outside funded track facility and apartment complex knowing that its not KU's money building them.  When he's called out on it, he just says "who wouldn't brag about having those things" and not addressing that his original point was KU is spending money. 

If your goal is personal validation via others, wouldn't you only put out facts that you fully believe to be valid.  If for some reason someone on this blog does give him full validation as a result of his phog talking points wouldn't he know himself that the validation isn't true?  This isn't politics, business, or school.  In those arenas winning arguments via talking points garners you tangible objects like political office, money, or grades.  Here, it's just validation.  It just doesn't make sense.  He's like Lattimore in The Program.  Even if he wins, he still won't be able to give himself the full validation he's looking for because the means of getting it weren't true.

Common sense would tell you he's a sock, but I know his real name.  I've read his twitter.  I've listened to music that I know is his.  No one here would go to that great of lengths to create a full false identity just for a sock.  There is only one logical conclusion.  While still a big KU fan and super liberal who believes everything he posts in the pit, he is an investor in gE using his KU fandom to keep business going strong.
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Everytime I read beems posts about 'revenue', I'm reminded why K-State is lapping ku in virtually everything... Can anybody confirm whether ku teaches the difference between revenue and profitability over there?

 :whistle1:


Revenue is more important for an athletic department.

Decent football stadiums are also helpful.


KU went 12-1 and won an Orange Bowl with worse than what we have now.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.   :ROFL:


What's the problem?  KU had its best season ever without the current football complex and the stsdium upgrades.  You guys updated your shitty stadium and got worse last year.

ku finally caught up with the rest of the conference with the AFC, and promptly put together the worst five season run in major college football.


Yeah, you're just helping strengthen my point.  K-State upgraded from the 2nd-tiniest, 2nd-shittiest pressbox in the Big 12, and followed up "titletown" by going 8-5 and losing at home to an FCS school.

Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.


Well, you just helped strengthen my point too.  By the way, KU leads the all-time series vs. K-State by like 24 games.

 :lol: :lol: Early history is now irrelevant. We've owned KU for so long now that it's almost getting boring. Oh, we play KU this year? Chalk up another big win.


If it's so boring, why is this thread the #1 topic on your message board?

Because we are concerned for our brothers. Football is the most important sport and our friends suck at it. We are trying to figure out why and how to help.

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If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.


You're comparing KU's athletic department to UT's now? 


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No, just making fun of you continually trying to make yourself feel better by talking about the $100 million dollars in revenue talking point.   You said ku was going to hit $100 million dollars a few years ago, and ku's revenue actually declined . . . significantly.    The only reason it even approached $100 million this year was a straight out anomaly that ku's associate athletic director admitted in the KC Star article was an anomaly.    It was wasn't the proper application of FASB 116 toward promises to give in a specific fiscal year, it was straight up using 18 months worth of donations and applying them to a specific fiscal year.     


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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

Well, you keep clinging to the good old day (singular on purpose).


'04, '06, '07, '08... that's definitely more than one, right?

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Smock...go to bed. You will feel better in the morning.

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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

Well, you keep clinging to the good old day (singular on purpose).


'04, '06, '07, '08... that's definitely more than one, right?

good grief! Hang 4 banners! Grats! :emawkid:

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Can someone help me understand what Beems is doing here.  I get that he's here to get personal validation.  However, he's trying to get it thru weak phog talking points and trying to win arguments via talking in circles.  He posts that KU is spending money and gives examples like outside the outside funded track facility and apartment complex knowing that its not KU's money building them.  When he's called out on it, he just says "who wouldn't brag about having those things" and not addressing that his original point was KU is spending money. 

If your goal is personal validation via others, wouldn't you only put out facts that you fully believe to be valid.  If for some reason someone on this blog does give him full validation as a result of his phog talking points wouldn't he know himself that the validation isn't true?  This isn't politics, business, or school.  In those arenas winning arguments via talking points garners you tangible objects like political office, money, or grades.  Here, it's just validation.  It just doesn't make sense.  He's like Lattimore in The Program.  Even if he wins, he still won't be able to give himself the full validation he's looking for because the means of getting it weren't true.

Common sense would tell you he's a sock, but I know his real name.  I've read his twitter.  I've listened to music that I know is his.  No one here would go to that great of lengths to create a full false identity just for a sock.  There is only one logical conclusion.  While still a big KU and super liberal who believes everything he posts in the pit, he is an investor in gE using his KU fandom to keep business going strong.


I'm posting in a KU football thread.  It's not like I'm hijacking every single thread on your guys' board, like you do to us over on phog.net.

You guys had a poster (Big Train) who claimed that all KU was doing was building a basketball dorm and a facility for a book, which simply isn't true.  Big Train rattled off all of these side projects at K-State, including business/engineering school construction, dorms, etc.  I responded with similar projects that are being built at KU, and somehow I'm in the wrong here?

KU athletics is spending money.  The rock chalk sports complex is being privately financed.  KU is paying around $39 million for it over the course of 30+ years.  They just broke ground this weekend on an $18 million facility that will house Naismith's rules.  There are multiple projects happening at KU, just like at K-State.  You guys are prioritizing football, and KU is prioritizing basketball.  It's as simple as that. 

The personal attacks and all of the stuff about me being liberal just tell me that I'm winning the argument.  People usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion.  If you're going to sit around and bash KU all day, at least get your facts right. 

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If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.


You're comparing KU's athletic department to UT's now? 


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No, just making fun of you continually trying to make yourself feel better by talking about the $100 million dollars in revenue talking point.   You said ku was going to hit $100 million dollars a few years ago, and ku's revenue actually declined . . . significantly.    The only reason it even approached $100 million this year was a straight out anomaly that ku's associate athletic director admitted in the KC Star article was an anomaly.    It was wasn't the proper application of FASB 116 toward promises to give in a specific fiscal year, it was straight up using 18 months worth of donations and applying them to a specific fiscal year.   


K-State did almost the exact same thing in 2011, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention... but I don't remember you putting an asterisk next to the "most profitable athletic department in the country" talking point every time someone mentioned it.  Funny how that works, isn't it?


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A similar occurrence took place two years ago, when Kansas State reported a $23.4 million surplus, making it the most profitable athletic department in the country in 2011. Long-term contributions, such as large donations pledged for major facility upgrades, must be counted the year the pledge is made. So a school’s cash on hand can be different from the revenue numbers filed each year with the NCAA and the U.S. Department of Education.

Still, Kansas benefited from other areas of growth in 2013, landing among the most high-end revenue-generators in college athletics. Kansas’ $93 million in revenues ranked 19th in the country, according to figures filed to the U.S. Department of Education.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/28/4923010/ku-reports-record-93-million-in.html#storylink=cpy


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You're floundering Beems, the same team that lost to NDSU walked into Memorial Stadium and yawned their way to a barely break a sweat multi-touchdown win over ku.   But you keep pounding all those moral victory nails into the wall and hanging your hat on them.

I am worried it's difficult for our guys to even get up emotionally to play ku these days, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.


It was only a few years ago that KU beat K-State by 31 points.  Things change.

Well, you keep clinging to the good old day (singular on purpose).


'04, '06, '07, '08... that's definitely more than one, right?

good grief! Hang 4 banners! Grats! :emawkid:


We don't hang banners for things that are fairly common and insignificant.

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So why doesn't KU just commit to building a new FB stadium, or to just making major renovatios to the existing venue so as to making it decent?

lost cause etc

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Holy crap beems, do you think about gE while your porking your fat wife?

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So why doesn't KU just commit to building a new FB stadium, or to just making major renovatios to the existing venue so as to making it decent?

lost cause etc

This.

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Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.



You realize when you say:

(1) Football games are won on the field

(2) Football games are won with good players

and (3) KU will always be behind K-State


You actually do a few different things:

(1) Strengthen the argument that football facilities really aren't as big of a deal as the herd makes them out to be

(2) Contradict the notion that K-State has some sort of inherent advantage over KU

and (3) Contradict historical data between the two programs

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It's 1 am on a Saturday night and beems has thrown up about 50 posts in the last hour  :D

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If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.


You're comparing KU's athletic department to UT's now? 


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No, just making fun of you continually trying to make yourself feel better by talking about the $100 million dollars in revenue talking point.   You said ku was going to hit $100 million dollars a few years ago, and ku's revenue actually declined . . . significantly.    The only reason it even approached $100 million this year was a straight out anomaly that ku's associate athletic director admitted in the KC Star article was an anomaly.    It was wasn't the proper application of FASB 116 toward promises to give in a specific fiscal year, it was straight up using 18 months worth of donations and applying them to a specific fiscal year.   


K-State did almost the exact same thing in 2011, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention... but I don't remember you putting an asterisk next to the "most profitable athletic department in the country" talking point every time someone mentioned it.  Funny how that works, isn't it?


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A similar occurrence took place two years ago, when Kansas State reported a $23.4 million surplus, making it the most profitable athletic department in the country in 2011. Long-term contributions, such as large donations pledged for major facility upgrades, must be counted the year the pledge is made. So a school’s cash on hand can be different from the revenue numbers filed each year with the NCAA and the U.S. Department of Education.

Still, Kansas benefited from other areas of growth in 2013, landing among the most high-end revenue-generators in college athletics. Kansas’ $93 million in revenues ranked 19th in the country, according to figures filed to the U.S. Department of Education.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/28/4923010/ku-reports-record-93-million-in.html#storylink=cpy


I don't even know why I even continue this discussion, because you don't pay attention. 

But Pat Kaufman, the chief financial officer for KU athletics, says much of that surplus is because of future pledges and donations that had to be counted this year because of accounting rules. In fact, Kaufman says, a change in the department’s fundraising cycles caused nearly a year and a half’s worth of contributions to be counted in 2013. Kansas counted nearly $33 million in contributions in 2013, up from $22.4 million the year before.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/03/30/3376060/ku-reaches-top-20-in-revenue.html#storylink=cpy

K-State was using the accounting rule FASB 116 for contributions made during a SPECIFIC fiscal year (you know, 12 months), not from using donations over the course of 18 months.

If K-State would have done the same thing this past Fiscal Year, than operating revenue would have been around $80-$85 million and total cash flow would have been in the $110 million dollar range (again, total cash flow accounts for contributions towards capital projects).

The articile you referenced about K-State, was actually discussing the EADA report.  Why K-State opted to do the EADA report that way, which is not a true financial statement (for example schools cannot submit an EADA report that shows a revenue deficit) I'll never know.   But the NCAA report and audited financial report from the same year provide a better picture.

Hell, ku didn't even note anywhere in it's annual audited financial report for 2013 that they used 18 months worth of contributions.