The KU Rayhawks are NOT going through a rough patch. They make Raytown, Missouri proud!

[OregonSmock]

It's 1 am on a Saturday night and beems has thrown up about 50 posts in the last hour 

It's 11 pm on the West coast, and I'm just hanging at home tonight, watching the Clippers/Warriors game.


 

[bones129]

Football games aren't won in the pressbox. They're won on the field. And with good players. The latter factor is why KU will always be behind KSU.

You realize when you say:

(1) Football games are won on the field

(2) Football games are won with good players

and (3) KU will always be behind K-State


You actually do a few different things:

(1) Strengthen the argument that football facilities really aren't as big of a deal as the herd makes them out to be

(2) Contradict the notion that K-State has some sort of inherent advantage over KU

and (3) Contradict historical data between the two programs

We kick your asses regularly. That's all that matters.

[meow meow]

It's 1 am on a Saturday night and beems has thrown up about 50 posts in the last hour 

It's 11 pm on the West coast, and I'm just hanging at home tonight, watching the Clippers/Warriors game.


 

 

[TheHamburglar]

I'm posting in a KU football thread.  It's not like I'm hijacking every single thread on your guys' board, like you do to us over on phog.net.

You guys had a poster (Big Train) who claimed that all KU was doing was building a basketball dorm and a facility for a book, which simply isn't true.  Big Train rattled off all of these side projects at K-State, including business/engineering school construction, dorms, etc.  I responded with similar projects that are being built at KU, and somehow I'm in the wrong here?

KU athletics is spending money.  The rock chalk sports complex is being privately financed.  KU is paying around $39 million for it over the course of 30+ years.  They just broke ground this weekend on an $18 million facility that will house Naismith's rules.  There are multiple projects happening at KU, just like at K-State.  You guys are prioritizing football, and KU is prioritizing basketball.  It's as simple as that. 

The personal attacks and all of the stuff about me being liberal just tell me that I'm winning the argument.  People usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion.  If you're going to sit around and bash KU all day, at least get your facts right.

  

Beems, you're a grown man with a wife and career.  I know you don't truly spend well in to triple digit hours per year on gE just to make sure we are getting our facts straight when talking about KU.  You're not a curmudgeon like Bob Strawn spending hours on phog just to get joy from being a troll.  I know you're smart enough to know the liberal thing wasn't a personal attack but rather just a data point showing you're not a sock.  You're smart enough to know your "people usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion" statement is BS when every chance you get you throw out "grapes" or "farm humping taters". 

That takes me back to my original point.  You're not just a grown man with a wife that spends hundreds of hours a year here looking for validation.  You're smart enough to know even if we did try to validate you it would be because of weak, repetitive, talking-in-circles talking points and thus the validation wouldn't be worth anything.  You have to have some other tangible motivation, probably monetary.

[OregonSmock]

If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.

You're comparing KU's athletic department to UT's now? 


    

No, just making fun of you continually trying to make yourself feel better by talking about the $100 million dollars in revenue talking point.   You said ku was going to hit $100 million dollars a few years ago, and ku's revenue actually declined . . . significantly.    The only reason it even approached $100 million this year was a straight out anomaly that ku's associate athletic director admitted in the KC Star article was an anomaly.    It was wasn't the proper application of FASB 116 toward promises to give in a specific fiscal year, it was straight up using 18 months worth of donations and applying them to a specific fiscal year.   

K-State did almost the exact same thing in 2011, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention... but I don't remember you putting an asterisk next to the "most profitable athletic department in the country" talking point every time someone mentioned it.  Funny how that works, isn't it?

A similar occurrence took place two years ago, when Kansas State reported a $23.4 million surplus, making it the most profitable athletic department in the country in 2011. Long-term contributions, such as large donations pledged for major facility upgrades, must be counted the year the pledge is made. So a school’s cash on hand can be different from the revenue numbers filed each year with the NCAA and the U.S. Department of Education.

Still, Kansas benefited from other areas of growth in 2013, landing among the most high-end revenue-generators in college athletics. Kansas’ $93 million in revenues ranked 19th in the country, according to figures filed to the U.S. Department of Education.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/28/4923010/ku-reports-record-93-million-in.html#storylink=cpy

I don't even know why I even continue this discussion, because you don't pay attention. 

But Pat Kaufman, the chief financial officer for KU athletics, says much of that surplus is because of future pledges and donations that had to be counted this year because of accounting rules. In fact, Kaufman says, a change in the department’s fundraising cycles caused nearly a year and a half’s worth of contributions to be counted in 2013. Kansas counted nearly $33 million in contributions in 2013, up from $22.4 million the year before.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/03/30/3376060/ku-reaches-top-20-in-revenue.html#storylink=cpy

K-State was using the accounting rule FASB 116 for contributions made during a SPECIFIC fiscal year (you know, 12 months), not from using donations over the course of 18 months.

If K-State would have done the same thing this past Fiscal Year, than operating revenue would have been around $80-$85 million and total cash flow would have been in the $110 million dollar range (again, total cash flow accounts for contributions towards capital projects).

The articile you referenced about K-State, was actually discussing the EADA report.  Why K-State opted to do the EADA report that way, which is not a true financial statement (for example schools cannot submit an EADA report that shows a revenue deficit) I'll never know.   But the NCAA report and audited financial report from the same year provide a better picture.

Hell, ku didn't even note anywhere in it's annual audited financial report for 2013 that they used 18 months worth of contributions.

You literally just quoted the same exact article (as if I hadn't already read it), and then basically repeated what I had already posted in quotes.  What do you think you accomplished by doing that?

Here's the rest of the article since you seem to like to cherry-pick your info:

In some ways, KU is a unique member of the top 20. Of the schools on the list, almost all would be considered traditional football powers.

To understand the growth, it’s best to look at some recent trends.

In 2007, the Big 12 paid Kansas just $8.4 million in television money. Six years later — after the sea change of conference realignment and skyrocketing television deals — that number hit $20.8 million. It’s an increase from $14.1 million in 2012.

Schools all over the country are benefiting from the boom, but the infusion comes at a good time for KU. Just one year ago, Kansas reported an $8.7 million deficit after shelling out more than $8 million in severance payments to fired football coach Turner Gill and his assistants.

As one might expect, firing coaches can be an expensive decision in the short run. The payments to Gill and his staff came on the heels of multimillion-dollar settlements with former football coach Mark Mangino and athletic director Lew Perkins in the previous two years.

The ledger has been clear of costly buyouts over the last two years, and while the football program as remained at the bottom of the Big 12, stability in the coaching ranks has been healthier for the balance sheet.

KU officials say the 2013 surplus — even after factoring in the inflated contributions — is not connected to any upcoming projects or expenditures such as facility upgrades. But KU is poised to finish — and begin — a host of projects this year.

Construction crews are rushing to put the finishing touches on Rock Chalk Park, a $39 million project in west Lawrence that will house new facilities for track and field, soccer and softball. The project features a 30-year leasing agreement between KU and Bliss Sports, a Lawrence-based firm that built the facilities. Under the arrangement, KU will play $1.3 million per year to lease the new venues.

The snowy winter slowed construction, but KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said the track facility would be ready for a “soft opening” for this year’s Kansas Relays.

Meanwhile, construction is set to begin this year on the DeBruce Center, an $18 million home for James Naismith’s original rules of basketball. The center, a joint-project between KU Endowment and the athletic department, will be built adjacent to Allen Fieldhouse and serve as a new on-campus dining center for students.

KU also recently announced plans to build the first phase of the Fieldhouse Apartments, a new on-campus home for KU basketball players and other students. According to a plan submitted to the Kansas Board of Regents in January, the first phase would include a commons area and 33 bedrooms at an estimated cost of $11.6 million. Private donations would finance $7 million to $7.5 million of phase one.

The Kansas Legislature denied KU bonds for the project in February, and Marchiony said final cost estimates could change, depending on fundraising.

Next up: Further renovations at Allen Fieldhouse and the removal of the track at Memorial Stadium have been on the docket for some time. As is the case with most major projects, the final hurdle is fundraising.

In total, Kaufman said, KU has spent close to $150 million in improvements for facilities over the last 10 to 15 years, while accruing just $49 million in debt. And officials believe the department is in good financial shape moving forward.

“To put it in context, over the last 11 or 12 years, we’ve been able to improve our athletic facilities, student-support facilities and our office facilities to the tune of 150 to 160 million dollars,” Kaufman said.

“We only have debt of $49 million, so the other two-thirds we’ve been able to fund through operations or fund raising or other revenue sources.”

Meanwhile, K-State is looking at $83+ million in long-term debt from all of their recent projects, and doesn't even come close to matching KU in terms of overall revenue and TV/broadcasting contracts.

[OregonSmock]

I'm posting in a KU football thread.  It's not like I'm hijacking every single thread on your guys' board, like you do to us over on phog.net.

You guys had a poster (Big Train) who claimed that all KU was doing was building a basketball dorm and a facility for a book, which simply isn't true.  Big Train rattled off all of these side projects at K-State, including business/engineering school construction, dorms, etc.  I responded with similar projects that are being built at KU, and somehow I'm in the wrong here?

KU athletics is spending money.  The rock chalk sports complex is being privately financed.  KU is paying around $39 million for it over the course of 30+ years.  They just broke ground this weekend on an $18 million facility that will house Naismith's rules.  There are multiple projects happening at KU, just like at K-State.  You guys are prioritizing football, and KU is prioritizing basketball.  It's as simple as that. 

The personal attacks and all of the stuff about me being liberal just tell me that I'm winning the argument.  People usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion.  If you're going to sit around and bash KU all day, at least get your facts right.

  

Beems, you're a grown man with a wife and career.  I know you don't truly spend well in to triple digit hours per year on gE just to make sure we are getting our facts straight when talking about KU.  You're not a curmudgeon like Bob Strawn spending hours on phog just to get joy from being a troll.  I know you're smart enough to know the liberal thing wasn't a personal attack but rather just a data point showing you're not a sock.  You're smart enough to know your "people usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion" statement is BS when every chance you get you throw out "grapes" or "farm humping taters". 

That takes me back to my original point.  You're not just a grown man with a wife that spends hundreds of hours a year here looking for validation.  You're smart enough to know even if we did try to validate you it would be because of weak, repetitive, talking-in-circles talking points and thus the validation wouldn't be worth anything.  You have to have some other tangible motivation, probably monetary.

You act like posting on a message board is some sort of daunting task.  It's possible to sit on a couch and post from a smart phone or tablet, or whatever it may be, while watching TV and hanging out with the wife.  It's not like I'm neglecting everyone in my life to spend a couple hours on a Saturday night arguing with Dax and a few others.  For whatever reason, you got butthurt and tried to call me out.  It didn't end up how you wanted it to, and that's fine.  You seem like an okay dude.  Have a good night.

[DQ12]

Beems is wrecking fools* ITT

* I didn't read the Dax stuff because

[star seed 7]

Welp, if they said it on GPC, it must be true.

 

The results on the field do speak volumes, however.

The team increased its win total by two games last year.

Early (late?) csourky post of the year nomination

[Tobias]

Beems is wrecking fools* ITT

* I didn't read the Dax stuff because

he's also very good at message boarding

[eastcat]

If Texas starts using 18 months worth donations in their 12 month (ANNUAL) financial report, they're likely going to break the $200 million dollar mark sooner than we all think.   They won't say anything in their annual report about using 18 months worth donations, they'll just mention it in passing to an Austin American-Statesman reporter, like another Big 12 school did with the KC Star.

You're comparing KU's athletic department to UT's now? 


    

No, just making fun of you continually trying to make yourself feel better by talking about the $100 million dollars in revenue talking point.   You said ku was going to hit $100 million dollars a few years ago, and ku's revenue actually declined . . . significantly.    The only reason it even approached $100 million this year was a straight out anomaly that ku's associate athletic director admitted in the KC Star article was an anomaly.    It was wasn't the proper application of FASB 116 toward promises to give in a specific fiscal year, it was straight up using 18 months worth of donations and applying them to a specific fiscal year.   

K-State did almost the exact same thing in 2011, and maybe I just wasn't paying attention... but I don't remember you putting an asterisk next to the "most profitable athletic department in the country" talking point every time someone mentioned it.  Funny how that works, isn't it?

A similar occurrence took place two years ago, when Kansas State reported a $23.4 million surplus, making it the most profitable athletic department in the country in 2011. Long-term contributions, such as large donations pledged for major facility upgrades, must be counted the year the pledge is made. So a school’s cash on hand can be different from the revenue numbers filed each year with the NCAA and the U.S. Department of Education.

Still, Kansas benefited from other areas of growth in 2013, landing among the most high-end revenue-generators in college athletics. Kansas’ $93 million in revenues ranked 19th in the country, according to figures filed to the U.S. Department of Education.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/28/4923010/ku-reports-record-93-million-in.html#storylink=cpy

I don't even know why I even continue this discussion, because you don't pay attention. 

But Pat Kaufman, the chief financial officer for KU athletics, says much of that surplus is because of future pledges and donations that had to be counted this year because of accounting rules. In fact, Kaufman says, a change in the department’s fundraising cycles caused nearly a year and a half’s worth of contributions to be counted in 2013. Kansas counted nearly $33 million in contributions in 2013, up from $22.4 million the year before.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2014/03/30/3376060/ku-reaches-top-20-in-revenue.html#storylink=cpy

K-State was using the accounting rule FASB 116 for contributions made during a SPECIFIC fiscal year (you know, 12 months), not from using donations over the course of 18 months.

If K-State would have done the same thing this past Fiscal Year, than operating revenue would have been around $80-$85 million and total cash flow would have been in the $110 million dollar range (again, total cash flow accounts for contributions towards capital projects).

The articile you referenced about K-State, was actually discussing the EADA report.  Why K-State opted to do the EADA report that way, which is not a true financial statement (for example schools cannot submit an EADA report that shows a revenue deficit) I'll never know.   But the NCAA report and audited financial report from the same year provide a better picture.

Hell, ku didn't even note anywhere in it's annual audited financial report for 2013 that they used 18 months worth of contributions.

You literally just quoted the same exact article (as if I hadn't already read it), and then basically repeated what I had already posted in quotes.  What do you think you accomplished by doing that?

Here's the rest of the article since you seem to like to cherry-pick your info:

In some ways, KU is a unique member of the top 20. Of the schools on the list, almost all would be considered traditional football powers.

To understand the growth, it’s best to look at some recent trends.

In 2007, the Big 12 paid Kansas just $8.4 million in television money. Six years later — after the sea change of conference realignment and skyrocketing television deals — that number hit $20.8 million. It’s an increase from $14.1 million in 2012.

Schools all over the country are benefiting from the boom, but the infusion comes at a good time for KU. Just one year ago, Kansas reported an $8.7 million deficit after shelling out more than $8 million in severance payments to fired football coach Turner Gill and his assistants.

As one might expect, firing coaches can be an expensive decision in the short run. The payments to Gill and his staff came on the heels of multimillion-dollar settlements with former football coach Mark Mangino and athletic director Lew Perkins in the previous two years.

The ledger has been clear of costly buyouts over the last two years, and while the football program as remained at the bottom of the Big 12, stability in the coaching ranks has been healthier for the balance sheet.

KU officials say the 2013 surplus — even after factoring in the inflated contributions — is not connected to any upcoming projects or expenditures such as facility upgrades. But KU is poised to finish — and begin — a host of projects this year.

Construction crews are rushing to put the finishing touches on Rock Chalk Park, a $39 million project in west Lawrence that will house new facilities for track and field, soccer and softball. The project features a 30-year leasing agreement between KU and Bliss Sports, a Lawrence-based firm that built the facilities. Under the arrangement, KU will play $1.3 million per year to lease the new venues.

The snowy winter slowed construction, but KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said the track facility would be ready for a “soft opening” for this year’s Kansas Relays.

Meanwhile, construction is set to begin this year on the DeBruce Center, an $18 million home for James Naismith’s original rules of basketball. The center, a joint-project between KU Endowment and the athletic department, will be built adjacent to Allen Fieldhouse and serve as a new on-campus dining center for students.

KU also recently announced plans to build the first phase of the Fieldhouse Apartments, a new on-campus home for KU basketball players and other students. According to a plan submitted to the Kansas Board of Regents in January, the first phase would include a commons area and 33 bedrooms at an estimated cost of $11.6 million. Private donations would finance $7 million to $7.5 million of phase one.

The Kansas Legislature denied KU bonds for the project in February, and Marchiony said final cost estimates could change, depending on fundraising.

Next up: Further renovations at Allen Fieldhouse and the removal of the track at Memorial Stadium have been on the docket for some time. As is the case with most major projects, the final hurdle is fundraising.

In total, Kaufman said, KU has spent close to $150 million in improvements for facilities over the last 10 to 15 years, while accruing just $49 million in debt. And officials believe the department is in good financial shape moving forward.

“To put it in context, over the last 11 or 12 years, we’ve been able to improve our athletic facilities, student-support facilities and our office facilities to the tune of 150 to 160 million dollars,” Kaufman said.

“We only have debt of $49 million, so the other two-thirds we’ve been able to fund through operations or fund raising or other revenue sources.”

Meanwhile, K-State is looking at $83+ million in long-term debt from all of their recent projects, and doesn't even come close to matching KU in terms of overall revenue and TV/broadcasting contracts.

You sound like one of those tater's that thinks life is paid for with cash and debt is a bad thing. There hasn't been a better time in 40 years to borrow money, rates are so low it's borderline free.

[jtksu]

I'm posting in a KU football thread.  It's not like I'm hijacking every single thread on your guys' board, like you do to us over on phog.net.

You guys had a poster (Big Train) who claimed that all KU was doing was building a basketball dorm and a facility for a book, which simply isn't true.  Big Train rattled off all of these side projects at K-State, including business/engineering school construction, dorms, etc.  I responded with similar projects that are being built at KU, and somehow I'm in the wrong here?

KU athletics is spending money.  The rock chalk sports complex is being privately financed.  KU is paying around $39 million for it over the course of 30+ years.  They just broke ground this weekend on an $18 million facility that will house Naismith's rules.  There are multiple projects happening at KU, just like at K-State.  You guys are prioritizing football, and KU is prioritizing basketball.  It's as simple as that. 

The personal attacks and all of the stuff about me being liberal just tell me that I'm winning the argument.  People usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion.  If you're going to sit around and bash KU all day, at least get your facts right.

  

Beems, you're a grown man with a wife and career.  I know you don't truly spend well in to triple digit hours per year on gE just to make sure we are getting our facts straight when talking about KU.  You're not a curmudgeon like Bob Strawn spending hours on phog just to get joy from being a troll.  I know you're smart enough to know the liberal thing wasn't a personal attack but rather just a data point showing you're not a sock.  You're smart enough to know your "people usually result to hatred and personal attacks when they get frustrated, usually due to being on the losing side of a discussion" statement is BS when every chance you get you throw out "grapes" or "farm humping taters". 

That takes me back to my original point.  You're not just a grown man with a wife that spends hundreds of hours a year here looking for validation.  You're smart enough to know even if we did try to validate you it would be because of weak, repetitive, talking-in-circles talking points and thus the validation wouldn't be worth anything.  You have to have some other tangible motivation, probably monetary.

You act like posting on a message board is some sort of daunting task.  It's possible to sit on a couch and post from a smart phone or tablet, or whatever it may be, while watching TV and hanging out with the wife.  It's not like I'm neglecting everyone in my life to spend a couple hours on a Saturday night arguing with Dax and a few others.  For whatever reason, you got butthurt and tried to call me out.  It didn't end up how you wanted it to, and that's fine.  You seem like an okay dude.  Have a good night.

Beems got married!   Nice.   

[HELLHAMMER]

After reading the last several pages of posts thoroughly one thing is certain ... Jayhawk football is indeed hurting.

[Spracne]

Welp, took me all night to tally the judges' scorecards, but the results are in: It's Beems in a split decision!  #TeemBeems

[puniraptor]

I fell behind on this thread, but I just caught up to the rap battle phase and OMFG lolol

[Dugout DickStone]

Why don't they jam the hell out of thunderstruck at football games?

[420seriouscat69]

OMG BEEMS! STOP BUSTING UP OUR BOARD. MODS HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TROLL TO DO THIS? Can't we have a single thread to post in without this hayseed squawk mucking it up?

PS- Beems, I really don't give a crap what you do. Take a look in the mirror.

[MixBerryCrunch]

That was just sad to read and I feel really bad for KU football and all KU football fans now.  The lengths they have to go through for some validation just so they can get up in the morning and face another day of being a Jayhawk is heartbreaking.

[OregonSmock]

OMG BEEMS! STOP BUSTING UP OUR BOARD. MODS HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TROLL TO DO THIS? Can't we have a single thread to post in without this hayseed squawk mucking it up?

PS- Beems, I really don't give a crap what you do. Take a look in the mirror.

It seems appropriate for a KU fan to post in a thread about KU football.   Surely you can grasp the difference between this and the hijacking and disruption that occurs over on phog.

[meow meow]

OMG BEEMS! STOP BUSTING UP OUR BOARD. MODS HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TROLL TO DO THIS? Can't we have a single thread to post in without this hayseed squawk mucking it up?

PS- Beems, I really don't give a crap what you do. Take a look in the mirror.

It seems appropriate for a KU fan to post in a thread about KU football.   Surely you can grasp the difference between this and the hijacking and disruption that occurs over on phog.

What about you dumbfucking up our recruiting thread?  Shirley you can grasp the difference

[420seriouscat69]

It's not just this thread and you know it. Stop crying wolf and relax.

[kim carnes]

Oregonsmock is embarrassing you guys.  I'm embarrassed for you.

[joda]

OMG BEEMS! STOP BUSTING UP OUR BOARD. MODS HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TROLL TO DO THIS? Can't we have a single thread to post in without this hayseed squawk mucking it up?

PS- Beems, I really don't give a crap what you do. Take a look in the mirror.

It seems appropriate for a KU fan to post in a thread about KU football.   Surely you can grasp the difference between this and the hijacking and disruption that occurs over on phog.

What about you dumbfucking up our recruiting thread?  Shirley you can grasp the difference

[j-dub]

stop getting steamrolled by beems you idiots

[kslim]

stop getting steamrolled by beems you idiots

so happy for him. Of course the people getting schooled don't even know it

[TheHamburglar]

stop getting steamrolled by beems you idiots

so happy for him. Of course the people getting schooled don't even know it

I know what Beems is doing, I just don't get why.  Congrats Beems, you've put 100s of hours into your schtick to troll 10 people on a blog.