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Re: Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2013, 10:35:19 AM »
Sometimes tapatalk does weird things identifying quotes. This one makes dax look like a crazy person.



Explain.

Remember, I was old enough to watch and understand when what was happening when the helicopters were taking off and landing on the roof of the embassy in Saigon.    One of the reasons that was happening in 1975 and not earlier was Nixon.   The reason it was happening at all was LBJ.
Look at the picture. Tapatalk attributed the quote to the wrong person, so it looks like you are having a major disagreement with yourself.
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Re: Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2013, 10:36:02 AM »
so it looks like you are having a major disagreement with yourself.

i feel like this has happened before?

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2013, 12:13:13 PM »
LBJ has to go down as one of the worst.
Aside from Vietnam (lol), he is probably one of the greatest.  Also Nixon committed treason to keep the war going under his watch, so I almost give him a pass in a weird way. 


Maybe Hayes because his election is rumored to have been leveraged with the removal of Federal troops from the south.  I'd also have to put Andrew Jackson in the running because of his all out illegal assault on Native Americans in Georgia as President.

So because you think Nixon committed treason to "keep the war going" you'd almost give LBJ a pass.   Yet it was LBJ who rolled a half a million troops into Vietnam based upon a false flag incident, and then handed over what would be billions of dollars worth of contracts today to his political creators who would eventually become part of Halliburton (sound familiar?).   A war that nearly started a civil war in the United States, ripped the country to shreds politically and killed over 50K Americans and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, and destabilized the region for years upon years to come killing millions more.   Fascinating. 

There are also some who would argue Nixon was one of our greatest presidents except for,  you know, that whole secret bombing and break-in issue.
I said I would almost give him a pass, not that I would, ultimately he made the decisions as C&C.  Its an interesting counterfactual to contemplate how the war would have run, and ultimately how it would be viewed if we actually had 'peace with honor' and 20k more service people coming home whole.

Also it really makes you look silly when you call the Tonkin incident a false flag operation.  For starters its not a false flag operation because US forces did not act or impersonate NVA forces in the 2nd attack on the Maddox.  So just by the basic operation of the phrase you're off.  In reality though there was an attack on the first day, that is pretty much without dispute. Now the 'good' history now points to a failure of systems and a political machine chomping at the bit to exploit those failures into their own justification for armed conflict.

You make an interesting point about the expansion of the military industrial complex.  I don't remember if it was NPR or BBC had piece some months back about the history of the MIC, where they did a great job of explaining that the military wasn't necessarily the driver of the system but rather politicians in congress looking for every kind of program for defense contractors in their home districts and bases to be opened which really caused a lot of bloating in the armed forces. 


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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2013, 12:36:28 PM »
Andrew Jackson - trail o' tears

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2013, 01:58:55 PM »
I vote George Washington. The dude could have had a 3rd and a 4th term but decided quit on his country after 2. The US was not founded founded for quitters.

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2013, 02:05:00 PM »
speaking of LBJ, let's take a look at the USS Liberty situation.

LBJ was a POS.

And edn, no s#!t on the politicians having a hand in growing the MIC. You think it was about "bases in their home district"? :facepalm:
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Re: Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2013, 03:46:10 PM »
speaking of LBJ, let's take a look at the USS Liberty situation.

LBJ was a POS.

And edn, no hullabaloo on the politicians have a hand in growing MIC. You think it was about "bases in their home district"? :facepalm:

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2013, 05:48:12 PM »
Dax is old as eff.
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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2013, 05:50:31 PM »
Andrew Jackson - trail o' tears

that's a good one.

Johnson was pretty crooked tho, fwiw

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« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2013, 06:09:22 PM »
Dax is old as eff.

Its amazing how good of a bbs'r he is

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2013, 08:07:34 PM »
no 8man, I wasn't asking you. The post points out a factual event...

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Re: Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2013, 08:10:47 PM »
no 8man, I wasn't asking you. The post points out a factual event...

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2013, 08:24:56 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2013, 09:00:12 PM »
no 8man, I wasn't asking you. The post points out a factual event...

Sorry for not taking the dk dome seriously enough

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2013, 12:38:36 AM »
Polk.   He is the biggest jerk ever.  I cannot stand him.  If I saw him on the street walking around today, i'd poke him in the eyes and boo the crap out of him.
Polk was a great president. Pretty much the only one to do everything he said he would do.
The Mexican American war was shameful.


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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2013, 01:37:43 AM »
The Mexican American war was shameful.

the shameful part was not annexing all of mexico.
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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2013, 02:10:16 AM »
The Mexican American war was shameful.

the shameful part was not annexing all of mexico.

qft. We wouldn't have to worry about illegal immigration

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2013, 04:29:20 AM »
"We own Tamaulipas" doesn't have quite the same ring to it though.

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2013, 09:40:05 AM »
In the last 50 years its going to be a photo finish between Obama and Carter.  Before thatprolly FDR or Woodrow Wilson or Millard Philmore.
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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2013, 04:11:19 PM »
In the last 50 years its going to be a photo finish between Obama and Carter.  Before thatprolly FDR or Woodrow Wilson or Millard Philmore.
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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2013, 11:26:51 PM »
The Mexican American war was shameful.

the shameful part was not annexing all of mexico.
I agree.  Polk only wanted the crappy, uninhabited land because he was a racist POS.


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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2013, 12:11:21 AM »
The Mexican American war was shameful.

the shameful part was not annexing all of mexico.
I agree.  Polk only wanted the crappy, uninhabited land because he was a racist POS.

yes.
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« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2013, 08:15:30 AM »
The Mexican American war was shameful.

the shameful part was not annexing all of mexico.

qft. We wouldn't have to worry about illegal immigration

We would. Our country would be so boss that the Canadians would be flooding the border.

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Re: worst prez ever?
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2013, 09:30:34 AM »
you guys missed the point of this thread.  it wasn't a question.  reagan was the worst.  thanks go cats