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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #300 on: August 13, 2013, 09:29:26 PM »
lulz http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/north-carolina-legislature-sea-level-rising_b_1567213.html

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #301 on: August 13, 2013, 09:33:54 PM »
lulz http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/north-carolina-legislature-sea-level-rising_b_1567213.html

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Re: Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #302 on: August 14, 2013, 12:18:30 AM »
This abstract of a recent scientific study seems a much more plausible explanation of global temperature increase than the short term reasoning of CO2 emissions.

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Just curious as to what your background is that causes you to believe this is a more plausible explanation? Not saying it is or it isn't.  I'm a pretty scientific minded person, but I don't feel like, nor do I suspect anyone else on this blog is, I am qualified enough to make educated comments on the complicated science at play here. As such, it really intrigues me when people take such strong stands on such issues.

For a while, human induced CO2 looked like a slam dunk as the direct cause of climate change. As science has progressed, some holes, or at least major questions have been exposed. That is how it is supposed to work 99% of the time.

I don't see any reason to suspect the moon tide theory to be any different, and it blows my mind how many people seem to think they are some kind of climate change expert because they took an atmospheric chemistry class once, or read up on some selective summaries of scientific papers online.

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Re: Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #303 on: August 14, 2013, 12:54:16 AM »
This abstract of a recent scientific study seems a much more plausible explanation of global temperature increase than the short term reasoning of CO2 emissions.

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Just curious as to what your background is that causes you to believe this is a more plausible explanation? Not saying it is or it isn't.  I'm a pretty scientific minded person, but I don't feel like, nor do I suspect anyone else on this blog is, I am qualified enough to make educated comments on the complicated science at play here. As such, it really intrigues me when people take such strong stands on such issues.

For a while, human induced CO2 looked like a slam dunk as the direct cause of climate change. As science has progressed, some holes, or at least major questions have been exposed. That is how it is supposed to work 99% of the time.

I don't see any reason to suspect the moon tide theory to be any different, and it blows my mind how many people seem to think they are some kind of climate change expert because they took an atmospheric chemistry class once, or read up on some selective summaries of scientific papers online.

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Sun, moon, and ocean currents run the climate. Everything else just follows along. We are pretty insignificant for now, but if our population growth doesn't slow down, the earth isn't going to sustain us. This is the real issue of this century, not a little solar cycle.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #304 on: August 14, 2013, 10:25:48 AM »
Warmer today than yesterday.   :ohno:

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #305 on: August 14, 2013, 11:26:42 AM »
A real climate issue is growing larger.   That is the dead zone in the Gulf, caused by nutrient run off.

Land use is a far, far, far bigger issue that "global warming".    Land use has significant impact on climate challanges often pinned solely to AGW by Warmists.   A major problem.


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If the models are all wrong
« Reply #306 on: August 14, 2013, 11:31:16 AM »
A real climate issue is growing larger.   That is the dead zone in the Gulf, caused by nutrient run off.

Land use is a far, far, far bigger issue that "global warming".    Land use has significant impact on climate challanges often pinned solely to AGW by Warmists.   A major problem.

A lot of deniers are in the anti-abortion, be fruitful and multiply crowd.

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« Reply #307 on: August 14, 2013, 11:36:34 AM »
A real climate issue is growing larger.   That is the dead zone in the Gulf, caused by nutrient run off.

Land use is a far, far, far bigger issue that "global warming".    Land use has significant impact on climate challanges often pinned solely to AGW by Warmists.   A major problem.

A lot of deniers are in the anti-abortion, be fruitful and multiply crowd.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #308 on: August 14, 2013, 11:41:15 AM »
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-08/13/c_132627590.htm


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BEIJING, Aug. 13 (Xinhua) -- The sweltering summer of 2013 is going on record as the hottest summer in China since 1961.

According to a Monday microblog post by the National Meteorological Center (NMC), temperatures have reached or exceeded 35 degrees Celsius for an average of 25.3 days in eight provinces and municipalities since July 1, marking the greatest number of hot days recorded during the period since 1961.

Extreme heat has resulted in at least 40 deaths in south China, according to local government reports. Over ten people died from heatstroke in Shanghai during the period.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #309 on: August 14, 2013, 12:11:20 PM »
Since 1961.  :dunno:

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #310 on: August 14, 2013, 12:24:32 PM »
Since 1961.  :dunno:

Makes you wonder what we did to cause the heat in '61.  :runaway:

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #311 on: August 14, 2013, 12:34:04 PM »
Warmist Logic:  Weather is Not Climate:  Unless it fits our agenda


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #312 on: August 14, 2013, 01:06:19 PM »
Would a measured, significant increase in global surface temperature since, let's say, the Industrial Revolution, be a sign that perhaps the planet is warming?  A yes or no answer will suffice. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #313 on: August 14, 2013, 01:09:42 PM »
Would a measured, significant increase in global surface temperature since, let's say, the Industrial Revolution, be a sign that perhaps the planet is warming and that it's civilized man's fault?  A yes or no answer will suffice.

No.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #314 on: August 14, 2013, 02:10:33 PM »
Would a measured, significant increase in global surface temperature since, let's say, the Industrial Revolution, be a sign that perhaps the planet is warming?  A yes or no answer will suffice.

you would need to post a graph with the values, then I will post another graph that shows how ridiculously minute your graph is when compared with long term values.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #315 on: August 14, 2013, 03:09:30 PM »
I know it doesn't fit the warmist agenda, but there's a very large group of scientist who say we're still warming from the last ice age.

Remember, the alarmist scientists (some of whom are still around) said we were most assuredly headed to another ICE AGE back in the 1970's, cover story on many major magazines.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #316 on: August 14, 2013, 03:44:13 PM »
I know it doesn't fit the warmist agenda, but there's a very large group of scientist who say we're still warming from the last ice age.

Remember, the alarmist scientists (some of whom are still around) said we were most assuredly headed to another ICE AGE back in the 1970's, cover story on many major magazines.

Whew! we averted that tragedy by burning shitloads of coal rather than sprinkling it all over the ice caps.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #319 on: August 14, 2013, 04:53:42 PM »
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

Who said anything about there being a consensus on the subject, but it's absolute fact that some so called "leading" climate (and related) scientists of the time were saying that the earth was headed for another ice age, and could very well be.   


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« Reply #321 on: August 15, 2013, 07:14:28 AM »
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/indepth/2013-08/13/c_132627590.htm


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BEIJING, Aug. 13 (Xinhua) -- The sweltering summer of 2013 is going on record as the hottest summer in China since 1961.

According to a Monday microblog post by the National Meteorological Center (NMC), temperatures have reached or exceeded 35 degrees Celsius for an average of 25.3 days in eight provinces and municipalities since July 1, marking the greatest number of hot days recorded during the period since 1961.

Extreme heat has resulted in at least 40 deaths in south China, according to local government reports. Over ten people died from heatstroke in Shanghai during the period.


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WICHITA. AUGUST 2013 (Heinballz) The summer of 2013 is going on record as the coolest summer in Kansas since a long time ago.

According to several personal accounts of native Ta towners, the summer of 2013 will go down as the mildest summer in recent history, only exceeding 100 degrees less than half a dozen times.

Weather forecaster Tanner Swift remarks: "Don't like the weather in Kansas? Wait five minutes."  LOL Tanner, LOL indeed.

Extreme mildness of temperatures has resulted in countless annoying exchanges of pleasantries by many co-workers; such as: "how about this weather?"  Or "Suppose we're going to have a summer this year?" Or "I'm walking the wrong way, I should be golfing today!" Or the more recent: "feels like football season"

Awesome news!  China should be more like us!  We fixed global warming!

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #322 on: August 15, 2013, 08:14:22 AM »
Ironically, this could be used as a reason we should be worried, right?  If we've changed the climate that much since 1977 and all!  :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

Who said anything about there being a consensus on the subject, but it's absolute fact that some so called "leading" climate (and related) scientists of the time were saying that the earth was headed for another ice age, and could very well be.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #323 on: August 15, 2013, 09:18:34 AM »
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

Who said anything about there being a consensus on the subject, but it's absolute fact that some so called "leading" climate (and related) scientists of the time were saying that the earth was headed for another ice age, and could very well be.

The lit review I linked to turned up seven cooling papers.  Seven.  7. 


Remember, the alarmist scientists (some of whom are still around) said we were most assuredly headed to another ICE AGE back in the 1970's, cover story on many major magazines.

To me this reads like you were implying that there was a paradigm shift in the alarmist scientific community, and that agw might just be the latest alarmist fad.  That would be false, but I can understand why you would have posted it. 

Were you just trying to say that there was a minority position that received a disproportionate amount of media attention but was quickly discredited and ignored by the scientific community?  That would be true, but I can't understand why you would have posted it.   

I  mean, maybe someone could draw a parallel between the 70's coolers and today's deniers, but that would be a weird thing for sonofdaxjones to do. 

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« Reply #324 on: August 15, 2013, 10:31:18 AM »
Wondering why methane is never brought up by alarmist.  Wouldn't the world be better if we were all vegan?
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