The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

"If you don't like what the temp measurements are, alter the data so it fits your agenda"

What do the temp measurements have to do with anything? Greenhouse gas theory has already been proven. It's not like the scientists are trying to record temps to prove anything.

What?!    It's the only "proof" climate changers, formerly known as global warmers, have.

Heat enters the atmosphere via solar radiation. Less heat leaves the atmosphere in the presence of more greenhouse gases. Therefore, the earth is warmer than it would be with less greenhouse gases and cooler than it would be with more.

How do you measure heat to determine the earth is warmer?

Warmer than what? If you want to see if the earth is warmer than it was yesterday, you take a temperature and compare it to yesterday's temperature. If you want to see the effect greenhouse gases are having on the temperature, you measure the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and solar radiation and then apply greenhouse gas theory.

This is an aptly titled thread. Good work k-s-u w.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Scientific fact, if it wasn't for gravity, all the water would be on the moon. Therefore carbon emissions should be curtailed to pre industrial era levels by unauthorized regulation, the militarization of the epa, and a convoluted redistributive tax structure . Not sure how you conservatards can argue against that line of reasoning, it's science.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

When asked what the primary source of heat for the planet is, people that identified as "liberal" answered carbon or CO2 68% of the time. 84% of people who identify as "conservative" answered the sun.

[michigancat]

When asked what the primary source of heat for the planet is, people that identified as "liberal" answered carbon or CO2 68% of the time. 84% of people who identify as "conservative" answered the sun.

Ha!

[sonofdaxjones]

Remember kids, hundreds if not thousands of people who were/are going to save the world signed a petition at a global climate summit a couple of years ago to ban water.

I believe it's the same group of people and then some who are now meeting and in the process creating a massive carbon footprint, stamping all over indigenous peoples property and causing various other mini-climate fiasco's.

[Rage Against the McKee]

When asked what the primary source of heat for the planet is, people that identified as "liberal" answered carbon or CO2 68% of the time. 84% of people who identify as "conservative" answered the sun.

Ha!

Somebody really should put that in front of a photo of Neil Degrasse Tyson and put it on Facebook.

[CNS]

Tyson would go nuts

[The1BigWillie]

http://gawker.com/the-seas-have-been-rising-much-faster-than-we-thought-1679675581

 

[SdK]

It was warm yesterday and it is supposed to be even warmer going into the weekend. But it was really cold there for a few weeks. I don't care if the earth is warming or not. Someday Earth will claim us all and start over.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's all global warming, land use, natural erosion/manmade erosion and various other factors have zero bearing on those anecdotal stories about how the "Streets Flood" now at high tide in (insert seaside community name here).   It's all purely AGW.

[bubbles4ksu]

It's all global warming, land use, natural erosion/manmade erosion and various other factors have zero bearing on those anecdotal stories about how the "Streets Flood" now at high tide in (insert seaside community name here).   It's all purely AGW.

link?

[sonofdaxjones]

It's all global warming, land use, natural erosion/manmade erosion and various other factors have zero bearing on those anecdotal stories about how the "Streets Flood" now at high tide in (insert seaside community name here).   It's all purely AGW.

link?

What part of "Anecdotal" don't you get?   I just read the comments section of articles like the Gawker story.

I hear the same stuff around here, and I always want to ask what you think might happen along a coast line where the population has grown at a rapid clip over the last 30 years, with thousands of additional houses, parking lots, driveways etc. etc.   

[8manpick]

It's all global warming, land use, natural erosion/manmade erosion and various other factors have zero bearing on those anecdotal stories about how the "Streets Flood" now at high tide in (insert seaside community name here).   It's all purely AGW.

link?

What part of "Anecdotal" don't you get?   I just read the comments section of articles like the Gawker story.

I hear the same stuff around here, and I always want to ask what you think might happen along a coast line where the population has grown at a rapid clip over the last 30 years, with thousands of additional houses, parking lots, driveways etc. etc.

The land sinks like a raft?

[sonofdaxjones]

It's all global warming, land use, natural erosion/manmade erosion and various other factors have zero bearing on those anecdotal stories about how the "Streets Flood" now at high tide in (insert seaside community name here).   It's all purely AGW.

link?

What part of "Anecdotal" don't you get?   I just read the comments section of articles like the Gawker story.

I hear the same stuff around here, and I always want to ask what you think might happen along a coast line where the population has grown at a rapid clip over the last 30 years, with thousands of additional houses, parking lots, driveways etc. etc.

The land sinks like a raft?

I didn't say that.

It's not a zero sum game.   People rail all the time about how people impact the environment, yet when it comes to sea level rise the Warmists wants to place it all on the shoulders of AGW, many times leaving out naturally occurring events, and completely ignoring what kind of impact hundreds of millions of people living along our coasts may have.

[bubbles4ksu]

it sounds like you're saying that 7 billion people are having an effect on the enviro.

[8manpick]

It's all global warming, land use, natural erosion/manmade erosion and various other factors have zero bearing on those anecdotal stories about how the "Streets Flood" now at high tide in (insert seaside community name here).   It's all purely AGW.

link?

What part of "Anecdotal" don't you get?   I just read the comments section of articles like the Gawker story.

I hear the same stuff around here, and I always want to ask what you think might happen along a coast line where the population has grown at a rapid clip over the last 30 years, with thousands of additional houses, parking lots, driveways etc. etc.

The land sinks like a raft?

I didn't say that.

It's not a zero sum game.   People rail all the time about how people impact the environment, yet when it comes to sea level rise the Warmists wants to place it all on the shoulders of AGW, many times leaving out naturally occurring events, and completely ignoring what kind of impact hundreds of millions of people living along our coasts may have.

These are not things I know the answer to, and I am not trying to set up any specific answers.

First, do we only measure sea level rise along the coastline? Why would the thousands of houses, roads, etc. have a measurable impact on the sea level? Does the water within a mile of coastline even account for 0.1% of the ocean water? Wouldn't any effect of construction/erosion cause just the proverbial drop in the bucket and not lead to widespread sea level rise?  Just doesn't make much sense to me

[sonofdaxjones]

It depends on where the do sea level testing.   I'll have to find it, but one study along the coast where I live said the see was rising, but another said that in areas nearby the levels were actually lower.

[8manpick]

It depends on where the do sea level testing.   I'll have to find it, but one study along the coast where I live said the see was rising, but another said that in areas nearby the levels were actually lower.

THE WATER IN MY GLASS STAYS FLAT AND AT THE SAME LEVEL, SO SHOULD THE OCEAN!

Really though, the mechanics of how sea level and tides and regional variation work are fascinating. The world is a pretty cool place.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Land sinks just like mountains rise. It's called "plate tectonics" for you laymen out there. #MarylandSinking

[ednksu]

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/2014-was-hottest-year-in-modern-history-150116.htm
more liberals with their science and books 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/2014-was-hottest-year-in-modern-history-150116.htm
more liberals with their science and books 

When did they start using science and books????

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/2014-was-hottest-year-in-modern-history-150116.htm
more liberals with their science and books 

I want to get one of those Moonshiners flasks. Ol' Tickle just cracks me up. 

[bubbles4ksu]

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/2014-was-hottest-year-in-modern-history-150116.htm
more liberals with their science and books 

When did they start using science and books????

why do you ask? (i know what you're getting at i just want you to fully embarrass yourself)

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/2014-was-hottest-year-in-modern-history-150116.htm
more liberals with their science and books 

The link isn't working, but 1/100th of a degree? 

Sounds like a fancy way to say the 18 year halt in warming continues.

 

[ednksu]

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/2014-was-hottest-year-in-modern-history-150116.htm
more liberals with their science and books 

The link isn't working, but 1/100th of a degree? 

Sounds like a fancy way to say the 18 year halt in warming continues.

You just can't make this stuff up folks!