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Re: Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #400 on: May 05, 2013, 07:36:03 PM »

You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).


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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #401 on: May 05, 2013, 07:37:57 PM »
The Bible translation topic is really idiotic, by the way. Showcases a (somewhat) baffling lack of knowledge.

Agreed.  Tell fun muffin

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #402 on: May 05, 2013, 07:49:09 PM »
Would a gay person not have a good handle on that?

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« Reply #403 on: May 05, 2013, 07:52:38 PM »

You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).


Oh my

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #404 on: May 05, 2013, 07:57:26 PM »

(incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).



"faith"

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« Reply #405 on: May 05, 2013, 07:59:22 PM »

(incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).



"faith"

ha

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #406 on: May 05, 2013, 08:06:34 PM »
Quite the pickle

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #407 on: May 05, 2013, 08:11:15 PM »
There is evidence of  homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.

And how was I insulting people with lisps?

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #408 on: May 05, 2013, 08:30:33 PM »
You have your right to your opinion, to infer that anyone thinks otherwise is stupid. There is no such things as equal opinions some are more correct than others. I'm guessing you'd have issues with the opinion that evangelicals have Su standard intellects.

I'm not saying I want a right (from your viewpoint), I want my opinion to be of equal value to yours, because you have no base/something that says it shouldn't be. I want to know what the something is. You say there is no such thing and you're right, but that is supported in my view and not in yours. Your view disagrees with your words and proves me correct.

Your verbal diarrhea doesn't make you right. No two opinions are equal, and you're the only person to suggest as much.  I won't even state your interpretation of the bible is right or wrong, its a fruitless argument, I will say your opinion on whether or not homosexuality is inherent is very wrong. What does the bible say about calling millions of people you've never met liars, because that's what you're doing when you deny that people are born with their sexual orientation.

I've asked this before and I'll ask again and I really want you to address it. If people aren't born gay, if it is a choice, why are teenagers swallowing revolvers and hanging themselves over the burden of being gay? You ever hear of anyone burdened by heterosexuality? You ever hear of a heterosexual pretending to be gay to hide his love of women from his friends and family?

Thinking someone is a "sinner" simply for being what they are is being a bigot. It's no different than saying a black person is a "sinner" for being black.

This is, and always has been, an incredible insult to all black people.

Really? Tell me about it, I'd love to know your view on the struggle of being black in our society.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #409 on: May 05, 2013, 08:34:29 PM »
There is evidence of  homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.

And how was I insulting people with lisps?

There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence. 

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #410 on: May 05, 2013, 08:40:19 PM »
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #411 on: May 05, 2013, 08:41:22 PM »
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments.  Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint.  They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different.  Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God.  That is a valid point of view.  Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful.  You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so.  But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them.  Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.

How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.

I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #412 on: May 05, 2013, 08:44:18 PM »
There is evidence of  homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.

And how was I insulting people with lisps?

There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.

The millions of gays, Christian and otherwise, who tell you they are born gay isn't evidence enough? Do you think all people should get DNA tests to prove their genealogy or is the word of their parents good enough?

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #413 on: May 05, 2013, 08:46:08 PM »
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Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

Lol at non believers not requiring conclusive evidence when their basis for ridicule against believers is, more often than not, a lack of conclusive evidence.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #414 on: May 05, 2013, 08:46:12 PM »
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

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Re: Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #415 on: May 05, 2013, 08:46:45 PM »
There is evidence of  homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.

And how was I insulting people with lisps?

There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.

there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.

 http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #416 on: May 05, 2013, 08:52:47 PM »
Knock it off with the bigot and hate comments.  Fun Muffin and PW are coming from the love the person viewpoint, hate the sin viewpoint.  They are not advocating hating gay people or treating them badly because they are different.  Because of their faith they believe they are living a lifestyle which is not pleasing to God.  That is a valid point of view.  Nothing about that point of view is bigoted or hateful.  You may think it's really stupid, and you may disagree with it completely and that's fine, by all means say so.  But save your bullshit "bigot and hate" comments for the bigoted and hateful, there are plenty of them.  Fun Muffin and PW are not those people.

How do you know if message board posters are bigots or not? You, like the people you are admonishing, are using message board posts to make a determination. Your opinion has no more value than anyone who are calling them bigots.

I will give fun muffin and poet warrior a lot of credit for having a very unpopular opinion and not hiding from it. Having the conviction to stand up for what you feel is right in the face of overwhelming criticism is admirable on certain levels. What I don't admire are people who won't express their opinions but are critical of others by asking open ended questions and standing behind others taking fire. I'd certainly view anyone who does this as a coward. Its an internet message board if you have an opinion you should give it. I hate passive aggression.

When I went to the Baylor game in Waco this past year, I saw the Westboro group with all their hateful signs.  I felt 2 emotions.

1.  Sadness - That they blatantly misinterpret the Bible, which lead them to hating others.  I have no doubt they hate people who struggle with homosexuality.  However, I believe there is no basis for this hate, and it hurts me deeply that they think Jesus would act this way toward these people.  When in fact Jesus would show them love, mercy, and grace.

2.  Ashamed-  I was so ashamed that this is how they choose to represent the Cross, as they lead people astray. 

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« Reply #417 on: May 05, 2013, 08:55:46 PM »
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

How about geology and biology?

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« Reply #418 on: May 05, 2013, 08:57:25 PM »
There is evidence of  homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.

And how was I insulting people with lisps?

There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.

there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.

 http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/

this is a weighty read, and i admit i did not finish it.

http://iserp.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/working_papers/2001_04.pdf

but the gist is if same-sex romantic attraction has a genetic component, it is massively overwhelmed by other factors

and i'm still reading the article you posted.

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #419 on: May 05, 2013, 08:58:48 PM »
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

How about geology and biology?

Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.

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« Reply #420 on: May 05, 2013, 08:59:04 PM »
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That they blatantly misinterpret the Bible

ummm

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Re: First Openly Gay Athlete (in a major sport)
« Reply #421 on: May 05, 2013, 09:05:00 PM »

You assume people are created as homosexual (incorrect and something you shouldn't do because you, or anyone, have no proof that it's true).


Oh my

 :bang:

Yeah. Wow.

Some of you need to look beyond your facebook pages. Go cat.

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« Reply #422 on: May 05, 2013, 09:05:12 PM »
Lol at believers requiring conclusive evidence.

I find the Bible to be quite reliable actually.

http://carm.org/archaeological-evidence-verifying-biblical-cities


No archaeological discovery has ever contradicted the Bible.

How about geology and biology?

Could you please be a little more specific, and I will gladly research these issues.

Length of time the earth has existed, flood, evolution, dinosaurs and humans co-existing, etc.

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« Reply #423 on: May 05, 2013, 09:09:10 PM »
There is evidence of  homosexuality being strongly linked to certain genes.

And how was I insulting people with lisps?

There is research all over the place, and there is no conclusive evidence.

there's very, very strong evidence. I'm guessing you wouldn't consider anything "conclusive", though.

 http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/

Well it was an interesting read for sure.  But the author himself kept using words like "may" and "sometimes" so I would say it's hardly strong evidence. 

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« Reply #424 on: May 05, 2013, 09:11:20 PM »
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That they blatantly misinterpret the Bible

ummm

What?

  I believe Phelp's gang is misinterpreting the Bible, and I believe most Bible believing Christians would agree.  There is a reason his group is not that big, and only in Topeka, KS.