Your kids are the responsibility of the collective

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

"we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families"

i'll be honest, that sounds pretty stupid to me.

Since the US (like numerous other countries) has a way to draft male citizens into the Army, even against their will, couldn't you argue that the US Government considers them property of the state, and they don't belong to their parents?

personally, i don't consider people property of anyone.

So do you oppose the concept of the draft, or are you okay with it?

pretty ambivalent about it.  your point is stupid, so it really doesn't matter.

I'm gonna make your night - you just called Ronald Regan stupid!

Conscription "rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state. If we buy that assumption then it is for the state—not for parents, the community, the religious institutions or teachers—to decide who shall have what values and who shall do what work, when, where and how in our society. That assumption isn't a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea."
-- Ronald Reagan, former President

Did ya see how he set that up there?!?!?  #bbssavant

[Domino]

pretty sure i've called regan stupid a few times, doesn't change that your point is stupid too.

I accept your surrender 

[star seed 7]

pretty sure i've called regan stupid a few times, doesn't change that your point is stupid too.

I accept your surrender 

you did nothing more than post a reagan quote.  what the eff is there to surrender to?  you're a god damn moron if you think ronald reagan is the supreme voice on people as property rights.

[p1k3]

The draft is more unconstitutional than Obamacare.

There are times when the draft has been absolutely necessary (Civil War, WWII). There are also times when the draft has been abused (Korea, Vietnam). Thankfully it's not being abused right now.

I mostly agree, but there's no doubt that there are moral hazards involved.

The draft is more unconstitutional than Obamacare.

The draft is expressly authorized by the Constitution. So fail.

raising and supporting armies is authorized. Doesn't say anything about forcing people into war that may not want to do so. I suppose this is for another thread tho.

[DQ12]

what the hell is she even saying here?  that we should care about kids more?  that we should better fund schools?  if so, more power to her, but she could have said so without scoffing at the notion of "kids belonging to their families."

this kind of reechoes emawblast's point, but no one really adressed it, besides people who got off on the tangent of "kids" being conscripted into the military.

[star seed 7]

what the hell is she even saying here?  that we should care about kids more?  that we should better fund schools?  if so, more power to her, but she could have said so without scoffing at the notion of "kids belonging to their families."

this kind of reechoes emawblast's point, but no one really adressed it, besides people who got off on the tangent of "kids" being conscripted into the military.

uh, she's talking about birth panels and communes, didn't you even listen?

[MakeItRain]

what the hell is she even saying here?  that we should care about kids more?  that we should better fund schools?  if so, more power to her, but she could have said so without scoffing at the notion of "kids belonging to their families."

this kind of reechoes emawblast's point, but no one really adressed it, besides people who got off on the tangent of "kids" being conscripted into the military.

She's saying "it takes a village" but apparently this was super easy to over think. This could have been a promo on literally any other network, other than Current, and this wouldn't be a conversation at all. Clowns looking for liberal conspiracies.

[michigancat]

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

[MakeItRain]

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

If you saw this ad independent of this thread you wouldn't have batted an eye

[DQ12]

She's saying "it takes a village" but apparently this was super easy to over think. This could have been a promo on literally any other network, other than Current, and this wouldn't be a conversation at all. Clowns looking for liberal conspiracies.

i can get down with an "it takes a village," mindset.  but...

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

Exactly.  Saying "communities should care more about their youth" isn't earth shattering.  i think we can all agree that that is a noble pursuit.  But implying that the idea that kids belong to their families and parents is the root of our education issues is pretty weird.  it invites reasonable people to overthink it, like you said.

no conspiracy, for sure, but either her, or the writers, or whoever made the message seem pretty odd.

[mortons toe]

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

If you saw this ad independent of this thread you wouldn't have batted an eye

what makes the situation worse, is the historical context of both 'children belong to the community' and the use of the slogan 'forward'. 

['taterblast]

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

If you saw this ad independent of this thread you wouldn't have batted an eye

you're right in that i probably wouldn't have thought twice about it if it wasn't a thread here on gE.com. but i don't care the context, "we should get past the notion that kids belong to families/parents" sounds very stupid to me.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think we all know she is implying higher taxes to support teacher's unions. She's on the radical end of the liberal spectrum.

[8manpick]

implying that the idea that kids belong to their families and parents is the root of our education issues is pretty weird. 

A much bigger issue is many parents and families not taking a greater stock in their children's education

[Institutional Control]

I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.

[MakeItRain]

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

If you saw this ad independent of this thread you wouldn't have batted an eye

what makes the situation worse, is the historical context of both 'children belong to the community' and the use of the slogan 'forward'.

I didn't ask you

[ednksu]

I think we all know she is implying higher taxes to support teacher's unions. She's on the radical end of the liberal spectrum.

paying teachers a fair wage = radical liberal
 
eff you people are ruining this country

[p1k3]

I think we all know she is implying higher taxes to support teacher's unions. She's on the radical end of the liberal spectrum.

paying teachers a fair wage = radical liberal
 
eff you people are ruining this country

Teachers unions are ruining education, that's for sure.

[mortons toe]

It was worded pretty poorly, for sure.

If you saw this ad independent of this thread you wouldn't have batted an eye

what makes the situation worse, is the historical context of both 'children belong to the community' and the use of the slogan 'forward'.

I didn't ask you

Well, I injected myself into it... DEAL WITH IT!

[CNS]

I think we all know she is implying higher taxes to support teacher's unions. She's on the radical end of the liberal spectrum.

paying teachers a fair wage = radical liberal
 
eff you people are ruining this country

Teachers unions are ruining education, that's for sure.

Many shitty parents are ruining education by pre-ruining their kids before they get to school.  Teacher unions aren't everywhere.  Take a second and compare the states that have them with the states that don't and let me know if your argument holds up.  I honestly don't know what this data says, but I have a feeling...

[Kat Kid]

Is there such a thing as community?  If so, is there any responsibility that is shared or is everyone only individually responsible?

[CNS]

Is there such a thing as community?  If so, is there any responsibility that is shared or is everyone only individually responsible?

Yes.

Responsibility is shared, but not on equal levels.

Example.  I found a young toddler(not old enough to even talk) in the middle of a gravel road a the bottom of a blind hill a couple weeks ago.  I pulled over, picked the kid up and walked down the nearest driveway to find his parents.  As a member of a community, that was my responsibility.  His parents responsibility should be to make sure he never gets close to being that exposed to a dangerous situation. 

[star seed 7]

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/09/why-caring-for-children-is-not-just-a-parents-job/

whelp, she admits it.  she wants the state to take your children and put them in camps.  you are now just birthing machines and have no connection to your children any more.  glad all you level headed republicans were able to see though her codespeak.

['taterblast]

she has good intentions, just said it in a weird way. move along.

[mortons toe]

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/09/why-caring-for-children-is-not-just-a-parents-job/

whelp, she admits it.  she wants the state to take your children and put them in camps.  you are now just birthing machines and have no connection to your children any more.  glad all you level headed republicans were able to see though her codespeak.

she is a professor at Tulane and refers to her students as children... funny. I work at a very liberal private university and will say without hesitation that many of the professors display sociopathic traits... It can be pretty comical.

I don't necessarily diagree with what she is saying, but I do disagree with the over-the-top political propaganda.