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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #175 on: March 29, 2013, 01:29:30 PM »
the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

bullshit.


by the way, i agree with you, regarding the one sex parenting v. two sex parenting if you control for all other variables.  it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but on that other discussion, i agree.

Anyone who know anyone that teaches elementary school or lower can testify to that.  Kids with one sex parents don't "do as well" emotionally and psychologically.

I can't believe people still don't understand that social science is another term for partisan bullshit.

If social science is "partisan bullshit", what is "posting random stuff on a message board that I literally just made up in an attempt to show that there is evidence for my opinion"?

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #176 on: March 29, 2013, 02:05:37 PM »
No FSD, I do understand the issues before the court.  Perhaprs better than most seeing as how it is my job to know legal issues and that is my chosen profession.  My solution was geared towards the entire issue of same sex marriage, not just the two cases before the court.  You really are a ginormous d-bag who loves to try and be the message board tough guy.  JFC

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #177 on: March 29, 2013, 03:48:04 PM »
No FSD, I do understand the issues before the court.  Perhaprs better than most seeing as how it is my job to know legal issues and that is my chosen profession.  My solution was geared towards the entire issue of same sex marriage, not just the two cases before the court.  You really are a ginormous d-bag who loves to try and be the message board tough guy.  JFC

Looks like I've really struck a chord here.  If you "get it" the wtf are you so confused about?

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #178 on: March 30, 2013, 09:20:25 AM »
I know many teach's too.  Seems like bad parents are more often the problem when kids are under performing.  Bad as in the ones who couldn't care less.  Also, when emotional issues are the problem, it seems like it is usually due to a single parent issue(divorce, new stepwhatevs, etc).

It is silly to discuss children along with this issue.  Heteros have been doing a bang up job rough ridin' kids up for the duration of history.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #179 on: March 30, 2013, 02:23:11 PM »
I know many teach's too.  Seems like bad parents are more often the problem when kids are under performing.  Bad as in the ones who couldn't care less.  Also, when emotional issues are the problem, it seems like it is usually due to a single parent issue(divorce, new stepwhatevs, etc).

It is silly to discuss children along with this issue.  Heteros have been doing a bang up job rough ridin' kids up for the duration of history.

I think kids were brought into this based on leftist strawman argument that if gays can't get married (civil union aside) then a gabagillion kids (who they'd prefer were aborted anyways) won't get adopted

But yeah, fair point one the one parent bad parent thing.
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2013, 03:45:25 PM »
[quote author=Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
I think kids were brought into this based on leftist strawman argument that if gays can't get married (civil union aside) then a gabagillion kids (who they'd prefer were aborted anyways) won't get adopted.
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no, children have been tacked into the discussion by religiofreaks who like to argue that the fundamental rationale for marriage, and for state promotion of marriage, is as a vehicle for producing and rearing children.  not simply a union of two unrelated people into a legal family.

thus, they argue, people not capable of naturally reproducing with one another have no need of, or right to, marriage.
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« Reply #181 on: March 31, 2013, 01:37:26 AM »
Different thread, but the whole procreation primacy thing annoys the eff out of me. I've been married 7 years and my wife's aunts from the old country are all "no kids? Perv." (<--with mean muggin old Downton lady face).
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #183 on: April 07, 2013, 04:25:33 PM »
Hey look there fundies, you are just as crazy as Aggies.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #184 on: April 07, 2013, 09:49:36 PM »
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #185 on: April 08, 2013, 04:08:29 PM »
Different thread, but the whole procreation primacy thing annoys the eff out of me. I've been married 7 years and my wife's aunts from the old country are all "no kids? Perv." (<--with mean muggin old Downton lady face).

They think you're a perv?  That's bullshit.
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #186 on: April 08, 2013, 04:11:58 PM »
Different thread, but the whole procreation primacy thing annoys the eff out of me. I've been married 7 years and my wife's aunts from the old country are all "no kids? Perv." (<--with mean muggin old Downton lady face).

They think you're a perv?  That's bullshit.

they're foreigners, so it's OK. (Felix Rex used to mention his wife was Lebanese at every opportunity and I like to think I PI'ed him out of the habit but now I feel kind of bad for it).

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #187 on: April 08, 2013, 04:17:22 PM »
Different thread, but the whole procreation primacy thing annoys the eff out of me. I've been married 7 years and my wife's aunts from the old country are all "no kids? Perv." (<--with mean muggin old Downton lady face).

They think you're a perv?  That's bullshit.

they're foreigners, so it's OK. (Felix Rex used to mention his wife was Lebanese at every opportunity and I like to think I PI'ed him out of the habit but now I feel kind of bad for it).

I hope he trolls the rough ridin' crap out of them every second he's with them. 
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2013, 01:13:45 AM »
We seriously have an 8-page thread arguing over whether or not two consenting, loving adults can get married? This is not hard. Provide the same rights to everyone. Every adult has the right to get married to another consenting adult, regardless of gender.

On children: if a homosexual couple has passed adoption screening and wants a child, why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt? They want the child, have passed the screenings and will likely provide it a loving home based on the first two points. That is better than a large percentage of children get.

On the undertone of the "choice to be gay," in this thread. Stormnut and others, please try and change your sexual orientation on a whim and commit the sin of being gay. Start being attracted to other men. Report back to the American Psychological Association and see how it goes. If you can turn yourself from 100% straight to 100% gay (hint: this would be a statistical anomaly as most humans are at least partially bisexual but sway mostly one way or another), I bet they will give you a Nobel Prize. Or keep praying that your god will alter a person's sexual orientation so that they wake up one day being more attracted to the opposite sex. Good luck with that.


EDIT: last block of text, more not mpre. Damn fat fingers.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2013, 01:32:18 AM »
Why limit marriage to 2 people? Why can't it be a consenting group of adults?

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« Reply #190 on: April 09, 2013, 06:04:38 AM »
We seriously have an 8-page thread arguing over whether or not two consenting, loving adults can get married? This is not hard. Provide the same rights to everyone. Every adult has the right to get married to another consenting adult, regardless of gender.

On children: if a homosexual couple has passed adoption screening and wants a child, why shouldn't they be allowed to adopt? They want the child, have passed the screenings and will likely provide it a loving home based on the first two points. That is better than a large percentage of children get.

On the undertone of the "choice to be gay," in this thread. Stormnut and others, please try and change your sexual orientation on a whim and commit the sin of being gay. Start being attracted to other men. Report back to the American Psychological Association and see how it goes. If you can turn yourself from 100% straight to 100% gay (hint: this would be a statistical anomaly as most humans are at least partially bisexual but sway mostly one way or another), I bet they will give you a Nobel Prize. Or keep praying that your god will alter a person's sexual orientation so that they wake up one day being more attracted to the opposite sex. Good luck with that.


EDIT: last block of text, more not mpre. Damn fat fingers.


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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #191 on: April 09, 2013, 06:47:31 AM »
Different thread, but the whole procreation primacy thing annoys the eff out of me. I've been married 7 years and my wife's aunts from the old country are all "no kids? Perv." (<--with mean muggin old Downton lady face).

They think you're a perv?  That's bullshit.

they're foreigners, so it's OK. (Felix Rex used to mention his wife was Lebanese at every opportunity and I like to think I PI'ed him out of the habit but now I feel kind of bad for it).

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #192 on: April 09, 2013, 09:42:04 AM »
Why limit marriage to 2 people? Why can't it be a consenting group of adults?
Mostly because polygamy rarely ends up in a polyandry situation. Given polygamy's history of ending up being basically a form of slavery for women, it would be a tough legalization. Although I have to say I don't really care if a group of consenting people want to get married. Really not my problem.

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« Reply #193 on: April 09, 2013, 09:58:43 AM »
Would be fine with polygamy too.  FWIW

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« Reply #194 on: April 09, 2013, 11:13:23 AM »
BUT WHY DO YOU WANT TO FORCE ME TO MARRY MY IGUANA???
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« Reply #195 on: April 09, 2013, 11:22:27 AM »
Iguana's need love too.

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« Reply #196 on: April 11, 2013, 09:05:22 PM »

On the undertone of the "choice to be gay," in this thread. Stormnut and others, please try and change your sexual orientation on a whim and commit the sin of being gay. Start being attracted to other men. Report back to the American Psychological Association and see how it goes. If you can turn yourself from 100% straight to 100% gay (hint: this would be a statistical anomaly as most humans are at least partially bisexual but sway mostly one way or another), I bet they will give you a Nobel Prize. Or keep praying that your god will alter a person's sexual orientation so that they wake up one day being more attracted to the opposite sex. Good luck with that.


EDIT: last block of text, more not mpre. Damn fat fingers.

How do you go about being "partially bisexual", as the APA says most of us are.  Seems like you either are or you aren't.  And if you can't choose your sexual orientation what's with B & T people? Don't they know they're born one way or another? Furthermore, what about all these people who are like "I used to be straight" or "I was gay for a while in college"?  Does the APA think these people are psychologically troubled, since they just switch whenever?
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #197 on: April 15, 2013, 12:05:33 AM »

On the undertone of the "choice to be gay," in this thread. Stormnut and others, please try and change your sexual orientation on a whim and commit the sin of being gay. Start being attracted to other men. Report back to the American Psychological Association and see how it goes. If you can turn yourself from 100% straight to 100% gay (hint: this would be a statistical anomaly as most humans are at least partially bisexual but sway mostly one way or another), I bet they will give you a Nobel Prize. Or keep praying that your god will alter a person's sexual orientation so that they wake up one day being more attracted to the opposite sex. Good luck with that.


EDIT: last block of text, more not mpre. Damn fat fingers.

How do you go about being "partially bisexual", as the APA says most of us are.  Seems like you either are or you aren't.  And if you can't choose your sexual orientation what's with B & T people? Don't they know they're born one way or another? Furthermore, what about all these people who are like "I used to be straight" or "I was gay for a while in college"?  Does the APA think these people are psychologically troubled, since they just switch whenever?
If you want more information on the sexuality scale, the Kinsey Institute can explain better than I can:
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/research/ak-hhscale.html
As for the "you either are or you aren't"  thought, this is a common misconception about sexuality. It's not a black, white, gray process. There is a vast spectrum of sexuality.
Transgendered people stem back to the diffefencd between gender and sex. Just because you are born a boy does not mean you automatically identify with the male gender. Some people then choose to have a cosmetic operation to become transsexual and have a body that matches their gender.
Finally, on the people who "changed their orientation," it appears likely that the majority of all these cases are from social pressures to conform to heterosexuality. The homosexuality did not leave the person, they just do not act on it publicly for fear of social scorn. This leaves a person in a repressed state, never a good state.
As for "being gay only in college" 1. Performing homosexual acts is not the same as being a homosexual, just the same as performing heterosexual acts does not make a person heterosexual. 2. Again, sexuality is complicated, it doesn't fall into neat boxes. It is entirely possible that the person is attracted to the se sex se but the opposite sex more. Thanks to social pressure after college, they repress the lesser side.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #198 on: April 15, 2013, 09:01:26 PM »
So you can't choose to be gay except when you choose to be gay, and we're all bisexual even if we never do anything bisexual. Wow, that's sooooo complicated.
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« Reply #199 on: September 19, 2013, 04:02:20 PM »
Quote from:  pope "stud" francis
"“This church with which we should be thinking is the home of all, not a small chapel that can hold only a small group of selected people. We must not reduce the bosom of the universal church to a nest protecting our mediocrity.”

“A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.”

"If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,’ those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists­—they have a static and inward-directed view of things. In this way, faith becomes an ideology among other ideologies."