2013 QB Competition: Sams vs. Waters

[Belvis Noland]

Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback?  Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.

I feel like I've seen this offense before.  Like, maybe in 2012. 

[hatingfrancisco]

Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback?  Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.

Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.

Change Sams to Klein and this is the Baylor game last year.

[CNS]

The NDSU 9 min drive has zero to do with how many more points Sams would have scored than Waters up until that drive started and how much less time of possession their offense would have had prior to that drive.

[Blackcats]

Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback?  Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.

Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.

Just like Collin did against Baylor and Oregon...wait.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, I would probably fire up the ol' firebillsnyder.com right now if I thought Waters was actually as awful as his stats indicate so far (sample size like francis points out). However, I agree that Sams is better right now and has a better upside making our team better today and in the future.

Until we meet up against Okie State and Baylor and they shut down our running game and shred our defense.  We have never been a team built for the comeback.  Maybe having Waters changes that for us.   

maybe having waters play QB makes us lose to a D1AA school

one of these data points is real and the others are make believe

talking points on both sides SD.  that 9 minute drive NDSU orchestrated certainly didn't help.  What does DSAMS do with 28 seconds left?  I have some wishful thinking of what could have happened but honestly I don't see him or Klein for that matter fairing any better in that spot.

I think getting a 75 yard TD run by Sams in that situation would be at least twice as likely as getting into field goal range or somehow scoring a touchdown with Waters.

[CNS]

Maybe Sams keeps us from having to play comeback?  Maybe Sams running the ball helps control the clock keeping other high powered offenses' scores lower so that we don't have as far to catch up.

Maybe Sams can hit Locket and Thompson on the deep routes as well as our TE or Hubert for the dink and dunks.

Change Sams to Klein and this is the Baylor game last year.

You point at the one loss last year as proof that something was wrong.     

[hatingfrancisco]

I guess I'd rather go 11-1 because we couldn't pass the ball than lose to a Division 2 school because we couldn't run it.  ya know?   

Add the loss to Oregon.  We couldn't keep pace with those guys.  Quick, athletic defenses shut us down last year and we didn't have a QB capable of getting us back in the game with his arm.  I don't know if Sams can do it, hell I don't know if Waters can.  All I am saying is that it's obvious he has some talent throwing the ball.  I'm not ready to right him off just yet.

[DQ12]

talking points on both sides SD.  that 9 minute drive NDSU orchestrated certainly didn't help.  What does DSAMS do with 28 seconds left?  I have some wishful thinking of what could have happened but honestly I don't see him or Klein for that matter fairing any better in that spot.

It's like nobody remembers Klein to Harper 2010 at all.

[hatingfrancisco]

maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)

No it's not!

[steve dave]

maybe we also score on a much higher percentage of possessions with Sams in the game v. Waters. (actually not maybe, this is another real life data point)

No it's not!

yes, it is, dumbass. and it's not close.

[Belvis Noland]

Add the loss to Oregon.  We couldn't keep pace with those guys.  Quick, athletic defenses shut us down last year and we didn't have a QB capable of getting us back in the game with his arm.  I don't know if Sams can do it, hell I don't know if Waters can.  All I am saying is that it's obvious he has some talent throwing the ball.  I'm not ready to right him off just yet.

So, we lost 2 games because we couldn't pass effectively.  But we won 10 other games because we could run effectively. 

What conclusion do you draw from this analysis?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Has Sams ever even had a possession that didn't end with a touchdown, field goal, or knee taken?

[Emo EMAW]

Has Sams ever even had a possession that didn't end with a touchdown, field goal, or knee taken?

OSU we punted a couple times. 

[hatingfrancisco]

yes, it is dumbass. and it's not remotely close.

Please post your imaginary dumbass facts validating your obviously dumbass theory below:

[steve dave]

yes, it is dumbass. and it's not remotely close.

Please post your imaginary dumbass facts validating your obviously dumbass theory below:

better yet, I'll have someone here do it for me! (someone do this for me, tia)

[_33]

The sum of Sams running + throwing ability is much higher than the sum of Waters running + throwing ability.  Do you guys understand what I am saying with that?

[DQ12]

on it, SD

[steve dave]

on it, SD

t-y, friend

[CNS]

As for the oregon game, I would like to point out that they scored 35 pts that game rather than their normal bagillion.  Not looking it up, but assuming that this is partly thanks to time of possession due to our CK run style.

35-17.  If you reduce our time of possession and add two interceptions, this could be pretty different.

[Rage Against the McKee]

As for the oregon game, I would like to point out that they scored 35 pts that game rather than their normal bagillion.  Not looking it up, but assuming that this is partly thanks to time of possession due to our CK run style.

35-17.  If you reduce our time of possession and add two interceptions, this could be pretty different.

Oregon also got spotted 7 points on the opening kickoff.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Has Sams ever even had a possession that didn't end with a touchdown, field goal, or knee taken?

OSU we punted a couple times.

I thought that might have been the case, but for some reason I could only remember the drive that ended in a field goal.

[hatingfrancisco]

better yet, I'll have someone here do it for me! (someone do this for me, tia)

Is this emoticon appropriate here?

 

[steve dave]

better yet, I'll have someone here do it for me! (someone do this for me, tia)

Is this emoticon appropriate here?

 

no, that's rusty's emoticon

[Belvis Noland]

Did anybody watch BYU run all over UT? 

I wish we had a QB who was really good at running into the endzone.  Seems like it would help us in that game.   

[hatingfrancisco]

Did anybody watch BYU run all over UT? 

I wish we had a QB who was really good at running into the endzone.  Seems like it would help us in that game.   

We do.

We also have one that can throw it.  Too bad they aren't the same QB.