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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1300 on: September 09, 2013, 10:00:00 AM »
I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.

Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.

Many retards have said Waters is CLEARLY the right choice because Snyder chose him.
I haven't seen that here. that sounds like gpc. I generally discount anything they say, so they don't count.

I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball but that it's really rough ridin' stupid to call options and draws when he's in the game. I'm not sure how you can completely discount play calling, but whatever.
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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1301 on: September 09, 2013, 10:03:26 AM »
I enjoy the notion from our fans that the coaches are clearly making the right choice with Waters, but morons calling plays for him.

Is it because we can blame Dimel for the play calling and give Snyder credit for playing the right QB? It's all just so bizarre.
nobody anywhere has argued that waters is CLEARLY the right choice.

Many retards have said Waters is CLEARLY the right choice because Snyder chose him.
I haven't seen that here. that sounds like gpc. I generally discount anything they say, so they don't count.

I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball but that it's really rough ridin' stupid to call options and draws when he's in the game. I'm not sure how you can completely discount play calling, but whatever.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1302 on: September 09, 2013, 10:04:11 AM »
I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball

his TD:Int ratio is 1:2

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Re: Team waters
« Reply #1303 on: September 09, 2013, 10:05:11 AM »
So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing.  Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos.  Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1304 on: September 09, 2013, 10:08:15 AM »
Waters just needs more time and more reps. I hope Sams doesn't play too much, because Waters needs more reps to get comfortable. If he just gets a little more comfortable, then he can take this team places.

Now I will tweet Waters and tell him that he is awesome and the fans all love him.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1305 on: September 09, 2013, 10:09:06 AM »
In a new thread, not this one, someone please start the meltdown for when the QB rotating continues throughout most if not all the season.


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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1306 on: September 09, 2013, 10:09:54 AM »
Guys, when you sling the ball around a lot the INT's (both good ones and bad ones) are going to increase.  The argument against the system is just as valid as the argument against Waters.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1307 on: September 09, 2013, 10:11:07 AM »
Guys, when you sling the ball around a lot the INT's (both good ones and bad ones) are going to increase.  The argument against the system is just as valid as the argument against Waters.

When you sling the ball around a lot then you should have more than 2 TD passes. The 4 INTs wouldn't be such a big deal if Waters had 10 TD passes.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1308 on: September 09, 2013, 10:13:02 AM »
Totally agree.  Just saying that we can't write off stupid INT's that "don't count."  The decision to sling the ball around considers the increased likelihood of interceptions.

Also, surprised no one has mentioned how Waters tried to get Curry Sexton decapitated.  Totally hung him out to dry on that pass.

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Re: Team waters
« Reply #1309 on: September 09, 2013, 10:18:11 AM »
So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing.  Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos.  Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.

He's not very receptive so far.
why does he have a copyright claim against you?

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Re: Team waters
« Reply #1310 on: September 09, 2013, 10:20:46 AM »
So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing.  Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos.  Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.

He's not very receptive so far.
why does he have a copyright claim against you?

He did a movie review of Inception a long time ago, and then decided he didn't like the review.  I thought it was great tho, so I put it back up on youtube for him.  He still didn't like it.

But anyway, my continued efforts have led to a change of heart and he is retracting the claim!  We may be able to watch a grainy copy of the "Ragin' Cajuns" came after all!

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Re: Team waters
« Reply #1311 on: September 09, 2013, 10:23:48 AM »
So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing.  Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos.  Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.

He's not very receptive so far.
why does he have a copyright claim against you?

He did a movie review of Inception a long time ago, and then decided he didn't like the review.  I thought it was great tho, so I put it back up on youtube for him.  He still didn't like it.

But anyway, my continued efforts have led to a change of heart and he is retracting the claim!  We may be able to watch a grainy copy of the "Ragin' Cajuns" came after all!
Great, I want to rewatch what happened on 3rd and 3 from the UL 10 right before the half

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Re: Team waters
« Reply #1312 on: September 09, 2013, 10:26:11 AM »
So it appears that in order for everyone to get to enjoy watching CATS games on my account, we're going to need to get CatMatt to retract his copyright claim against me and get my account back in good standing.  Otherwise, I can't upload 15+ minute videos.  Everyone reach out to CatMatt and have him make this right for EMAW's sake.

He's not very receptive so far.
why does he have a copyright claim against you?

He did a movie review of Inception a long time ago, and then decided he didn't like the review.  I thought it was great tho, so I put it back up on youtube for him.  He still didn't like it.

But anyway, my continued efforts have led to a change of heart and he is retracting the claim!  We may be able to watch a grainy copy of the "Ragin' Cajuns" came after all!

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1313 on: September 09, 2013, 10:34:23 AM »
I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball

his TD:Int ratio is 1:2
Water on 3rd Down on vs ULaLa*

3/7 passing for 37 yards and 1 interception - 2 first downs passing, 1 on a Waters run.

*these numbers numbers now include him having to kill the clock on 3rd down after making a poor decision on 2nd down on the drive at the end of the half.
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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1314 on: September 09, 2013, 10:40:49 AM »

The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically.  We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.


Right.  we don't have really good players out there running around.  That's the point.  That's why the D is getting scrutinized. 

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1315 on: September 09, 2013, 10:42:39 AM »
The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches.  The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.

Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards.  It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.

LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB.  We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.

The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically.  We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.

Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.

Points scored are kind of a big deal.  Last year, we gave up 24 or more 5 times (twice we gave up just 24).  We’ve given up 24 or more in both games (sure, 7 of that from LaLa was special teams, but whatever).  This is not a good defense.  The DL gets pushed around a lot, the LB’s are remarkably slow both to the ball and in coverage, the secondary is going to get absolutely torched this year, Zims is either trying to compensate for the rest of the secondary being bad or has just regressed, and the only one who looks like he plays with any effort is Mueller.  They are getting scapegoated just fine. 

The only surprise or highlight out of the last game for the defense was that Tanner’s finally put in a zone blitz concept whereby the DL/DT dropped back into coverage. 

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1316 on: September 09, 2013, 10:47:35 AM »
I guess you can continue to discount the fact that waters had been pretty effective passing the ball

his TD:Int ratio is 1:2
Water on 3rd Down on vs ULaLa*

3/6 passing for 37 yards and 1 interception - 2 first downs passing, 1 on a Waters run.

*these numbers are pending a review of the 3rd and 3 from the UL 10 right before the half once CattMatt has released his stranglehold on Trim's yt account - online pbp has that a TEAM in completion and I was/became to pak'd to remember what happened.

Future Backup QB spiked the ball.
Thats right, he completely botched that opportunity of having 1st and 10 at UL 17 - TEAM incompletion should be on Waters and I will edit my numbers accordingly.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1317 on: September 09, 2013, 10:49:24 AM »
This thread makes me sad. I wish we could all stop bickering about QB and just agree that the real reason we're gonna struggle to get 6 Ws is that our D, and to a lightly lesser extent our O-Line and RB, suck balls and taint.

I also think we're going to need to play Sams more because we simply must have a better running game to chew up yards and clock, especially when our D is just so unbelievably soft. Like a warm, soft turd. But damn, I just really wanted to watch TLABL rack up 200 yards a game snagging pass after beautiful laser-like precision pass. If the passer can't run for crap, it just won't matter.

The defense is giving up about the same yards per play as they were last year, give or take a few inches.  The only difference is that this year, we're -2 on turnovers after two games as opposed to +4.

Missouri State was a really bad offense last year, and we gave up 414 yards.  It's just that, during that game, we only gave up 9 points, so folks didn't panic as much.

LaLa was a top ten team last year in terms of yards per play on offense, and they have a pretty strong dual threat QB.  We held them to under 400 yards, and the first half was pretty dominant, defensively.

The defense is getting scapegoated pretty hard right now, and they aren't nearly as bad as everyone thinks they are, at least statistically.  We just don't have an Arthur Brown running around out there making us look really good.

Also, Waters is turning the ball over too much, and that's putting us in bad spots.

Same as last year through 2 games?

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1318 on: September 09, 2013, 10:56:38 AM »
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks?  Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU.  Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme?  OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?   

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1319 on: September 09, 2013, 11:02:47 AM »
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks?  Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU.  Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme?  OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?

It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1320 on: September 09, 2013, 11:04:25 AM »
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks?  Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU.  Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme?  OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?

It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.

Maybe a little gun shy following his failed bomb attempt to Trujillo?  :dunno:

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1321 on: September 09, 2013, 11:11:23 AM »
This thread is so full of  :flush:.  Can't wait to see you guys back on the Waters train when we trail Baylor by 3 TD's. 



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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1322 on: September 09, 2013, 11:13:52 AM »
This thread is so full of  :flush:.  Can't wait to see you guys back on the Waters train when we trail Baylor by 3 TD's.

Why? Are we going to need more turnovers or something?

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1323 on: September 09, 2013, 11:15:29 AM »
Have we discussed how lacking throwing downfield further than 15+ yards and trying for bomb (if my memory serves me right) might be why our passing game sucks?  Waters two best throws this year were those two bombs against NDSU.  Does it fall back on LHC BS's clock management scheme?  OL inability to pass protect long enough for those plays to develop?

It's Waters not being confident enough to go deep. Given his TD:INT ratio, the lack of deep passes might not be a bad thing.

Maybe a little gun shy following his failed bomb attempt to Trujillo?  :dunno:

Waters had the best yards per attempt in NJCAA at 10.5 yds last year.  I find it hard to believe that he had more athletic/explosive receivers than he does this year. 

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Re: Waters is so good
« Reply #1324 on: September 09, 2013, 11:17:19 AM »

Waters had the best yards per attempt in NJCAA at 10.5 yds last year.  I find it hard to believe that he had more athletic/explosive receivers than he does this year.
is this a serious post?