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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5025 on: March 01, 2018, 08:06:31 PM »
I really don't think an 18 y.o. should be able to buy an AR-15, but can stores really discriminate based on age?
That's a good point. Not selling AR's is one thing. But offering products for sale but refusing to sell them to someone based on age, who otherwise has a legal right to purchase guns, seems like it might be illegal.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5026 on: March 01, 2018, 08:10:15 PM »
the constitution says keep and bear, not purchase. I suppose it is arguable that limiting purchases counts as an "infringement" of this? (not a lawyer)

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5027 on: March 01, 2018, 08:36:14 PM »
the constitution says keep and bear, not purchase. I suppose it is arguable that limiting purchases counts as an "infringement" of this? (not a lawyer)
This is more like a homophobic baker thing. Offering products for sale to the general public, but refusing to sell them to a certain, protected group.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5028 on: March 01, 2018, 08:40:25 PM »
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5029 on: March 01, 2018, 09:00:49 PM »
Honestly, maybe we should just stop pretending and admit 18 years old is ok for military service because that is the easiest age to recruit, but at the same time we want those people to be a bit more responsible before owning guns in this country.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5030 on: March 01, 2018, 09:17:24 PM »
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5031 on: March 01, 2018, 09:18:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/ChrisCoxNRA/status/969393625611333632

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5032 on: March 01, 2018, 10:05:11 PM »
Honestly, maybe we should just stop pretending and admit 18 years old is ok for military service because that is the easiest age to recruit, but at the same time we want those people to be a bit more responsible before owning guns in this country.

There's also a considerable difference in the amount (and quality) of weapons training received by an 18-yo in the military vs an 18-yo who just walked into their local gun store.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5033 on: March 01, 2018, 10:37:48 PM »
the constitution says keep and bear, not purchase. I suppose it is arguable that limiting purchases counts as an "infringement" of this? (not a lawyer)
This is more like a homophobic baker thing. Offering products for sale to the general public, but refusing to sell them to a certain, protected group.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5034 on: March 02, 2018, 09:00:57 AM »
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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To be honest, I don't understand how car rental agencies get away with that either. I guess the argument is that insurance rates would be higher for those under 25 so they can say it would cost the business more? The same can't be said of gun stores. They don't pay anything extra because they sold to an 18 year old.

I mean, like I said I don't want 18 year olds to get these guns, but I don't understand how this is not age discrimination when they can legally buy them and they are offering them to the general public.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5035 on: March 02, 2018, 09:08:01 AM »
From my boy Eugene Volokh:

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A student asked me over lunch: Some stores have announced that they won't sell rifles and shotguns to under-21-year-olds. Is that legal, given that federal law only limits sales of handguns to under-21-year-olds, and doesn't ban sales of long guns to 18-to-20-year-olds?

[1.] Stores' own age limits don't violate the Second Amendment, because the Second Amendment limits only the government, not private companies. Likewise for the Equal Protection Clause (plus the Equal Protection Clause generally doesn't forbid even governmental age classifications).

[2.] The federal Civil Rights Act doesn't cover retail stores, and doesn't cover age, so it doesn't bar such policies, either.

[3.] But about a third of all states ban discrimination based on age in places of public accommodation, and some of those statutes may well ban refusal to sell guns to 18-to-20-year-olds. These laws vary from state to state, so I can't speak to all of them; but the one I checked -- Connecticut (the alphabetically first on the list) -- does indeed seem to ban discrimination against 18-to-20-year-olds in retail sales, with no exception for guns.

[4.] Likewise, some cities and counties have similar ordinances (even if their states don't); two I found, for instance, are Madison, Wisconsin and Broward County, Florida. (I looked them up just because I remembered from other research that they have broad antidiscrimination ordinances.) Seattle, on the other hand, bans age discrimination, but apparently only against people 21 and above, again without regard to whether the store sells guns or anything else.

[5.] Of course, the state and local laws will only affect the stores' policies in those jurisdictions; a store could have a general nationwide policy of not selling some products to under-21-year-olds, but a different policy in those states that require equal treatment of 18-to-20-year-olds.
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/02/28/can-gun-stores-refuse-to-sell-rifles-and


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5036 on: March 02, 2018, 09:13:38 AM »
So I guess the federal age discrimination laws are just in regard to employment.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5037 on: March 02, 2018, 09:43:25 AM »
A law that bans age discrimination for only those over 21 is pretty lol
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5038 on: March 02, 2018, 09:52:03 AM »
A law that bans age discrimination for only those over 21 is pretty lol
Probably needed to comply with recreational marijuana.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5039 on: March 02, 2018, 09:59:08 AM »
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5040 on: March 02, 2018, 10:00:14 AM »
they already have the exact same law for handguns.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5041 on: March 02, 2018, 10:03:53 AM »
they already have the exact same law for handguns.
The states are free to make laws that discriminate based on age, as long as no federal law says they can't.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5042 on: March 02, 2018, 10:14:26 AM »
yeah, i didn't think that one through.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5044 on: March 02, 2018, 10:22:01 AM »
https://twitter.com/CMUniversity/status/969601575365824512

Crazy thing is that if it had happened a block down the road in an apartment building off campus it wouldn't be news.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5045 on: March 02, 2018, 10:39:15 AM »
Crazy thing is that if it had happened a block down the road in an apartment building off campus it wouldn't be news.
They weren't students if it makes it less crazy.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5046 on: March 02, 2018, 11:48:49 AM »
Rental car companies don’t rent to people under 25, I’m guessing stores can get away not selling guns to 20 year olds.
Personally, I think that if 18 is old enough to enlist, it’s old enough to drink and buy guns.


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Depends on your state of residency. IRC, South Carolina considered driving a right. Insurance companies had to cover anybody in that state. Made for some very high insurance rates.

Does this mean you can rent a car in South Carolina no matter your age?

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5047 on: March 02, 2018, 12:03:56 PM »
FYI, you can definitely rent a car younger than 25, you just have to pay more
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5048 on: March 02, 2018, 12:13:33 PM »
Well, I'd imagine you'd have to be old enough to legally drive and enter into a contract. I'll look into this more later. Apparently there was a case in 1994 where NY successfully sued rental agencies, and now you can rent a car at 18 in that state.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #5049 on: March 02, 2018, 12:15:29 PM »
teenagers shouldn't be allowed to drive IMO. Voting's OK though.