Another school shooting

[CNS]

When I was in 8th grade a 9th grader brought a homemade pipe bomb(about 3/4" dia x 6-7" long) to school, attached it to the water fountains, and tried to set it off in between classes.  It smoked like a roughrider but that is all.  The school put everyone in the cafeteria and the fire dept showed up.  The kid admitted it was a failed pipe bomb and admitted he wanted to blow crap up.  Yet the kid was only suspended for a week, returned to school a week later like nothing was wrong, and that was it.  Nothing else. 

rough ridin' crazy.  The kid would be in jail still if it happened in an environment like we have now, and rightly so.

[puniraptor]

emo related sidenote anecdote: when i was in middle school a kid shot another kid in the chest with a rough ridin' bow and arrow! he got sent to juvie and alternative school and stuff. no one ever saw that kid (the shooter) again. but a few years ago he tried to friend me on facebook! 

i didn't accept it so hopefully he doesnt find me and shoot me with an arrow or anything else

Did the kid survive the arrow?

yes! he was staggering down the road with an arrow sticking out of his chest trying to go home and an old lady saw him and called the cops

[puniraptor]

it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.

Not that you care, but the AR15 platform was not designed to kill.  It was designed to maim, hence the 62gr green tip armor piercing round it was paired with.  Makes small holes clean though and creates additional burden on the enemy effectively taking 3 people out of the fight with one well placed bullet.  SERVED!

but as a civilian, you can blast people with hollow points without regard for the geneva convention

[CNS]

I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

[puniraptor]

I gave you the script, emo. you don't have to be a gun apologist anymore.

[Emo EMAW]

I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

The light 556 enabled 30 round mags.  The tactics of the day dictated that the battle rifle created covering fire for flanking maneuvers and the use of special ordinance, like belt fed machine guns, grenade launchers, and other really cool especially made to kill stuff.

[Emo EMAW]

it's hard to defend the object when it has no use other than increasing the ability of someone to kill a large number of people

Because that deer gutted itself and jumped into my freezer.

you could defend it by saying "yes it's made to kill and is rough ridin' good at it and it's my right and totally worth it no matter the cost." any other argument is intellectually dishonest.

Not that you care, but the AR15 platform was not designed to kill.  It was designed to maim, hence the 62gr green tip armor piercing round it was paired with.  Makes small holes clean though and creates additional burden on the enemy effectively taking 3 people out of the fight with one well placed bullet.  SERVED!

but as a civilian, you can blast people with hollow points without regard for the geneva convention

The military now uses hollow points. 

[CNS]

I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

The light 556 enabled 30 round mags.  The tactics of the day dictated that the battle rifle created covering fire for flanking maneuvers and the use of special ordinance, like belt fed machine guns, grenade launchers, and other really cool especially made to kill stuff.

Couldn't a gun that was designed to kill do this too?  I mean, were tactics set up to just annoy the crap out of the enemy until the real killing stuff moved in?  Seems unproductive.   

[Rage Against the McKee]

I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

I would think it was great. It would be a huge load off my mind if I knew the people I was shooting probably weren't actually dying.

[star seed 7]

I would be pretty pissed if I was in the army and issued a gun that wasn't designed to kill.

I would think it was great. It would be a huge load off my mind if I knew the people I was shooting probably weren't actually dying.

yeah, maiming 3 instead of killing 1 is a huge upside

[Spracne]

WTF!?  Now there's a tiny hole in me!  Hey, stop it!

[CNS]

WTF!?  Now there's a tiny hole in me!  Hey, stop it!

Morale: lowered!

[Mr Bread]

WTF!?  Now there's a tiny hole in me!  Hey, stop it!

Morale: lowered!

Time: wasted!

[CNS]

That penn kid was totally distracting the school while the ppl with the things actually designed to kill flanked the crap out of the place.  Thank goodness for quick response times.

[Emo EMAW]

Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   

[Institutional Control]

Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   

Who says we lost Vietnam?

[Emo EMAW]

Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   

Who says we lost Vietnam?

Vietnam

[Institutional Control]

Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   

Who says we lost Vietnam?

Vietnam

Well, of course they're going to say that.

[Emo EMAW]

Guys this could be why we lost Vietnam.   

Who says we lost Vietnam?

Vietnam

Well, of course they're going to say that.

I think it's because North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam and made it one Vietnam under God and we couldn't stop it.  The proof is in the phad thai apparently.

[CNS]

We totally should have distracted N. Vietnam more with bullets that are pains in the ass, then BOOM!, flank the crap out of their faces.

[sonofdaxjones]

Over the years a lot things missed getting blown up and lot of people have avoided being killed because of failed pipe bombs.   

Because of the prospect of a bomber(s) actually getting it right.   A pipe (of all varieties) registry needs to be put in place immediately, while an outright ban on pipes is considered by our various legislative bodies.    Bombers don't kill people, pipes do.

[CNS]

Over the years a lot things missed getting blown up and lot of people have avoided being killed because of failed pipe bombs.   

Because of the prospect of a bomber(s) actually getting it right.   A pipe (of all varieties) registry needs to be put in place immediately, while an outright ban on pipes is considered by our various legislative bodies.    Bombers don't kill people, pipes do.

Back then, just keeping up a substandard of instruction in Shop Class was adequate.  Dating myself, but the lack of internet content and use in 1995 is probably why I am alive to type this since the class I was exiting at the time opened up into the hallway immediately across from the targeted water fountain.

[sonofdaxjones]

Over the years a lot things missed getting blown up and lot of people have avoided being killed because of failed pipe bombs.   

Because of the prospect of a bomber(s) actually getting it right.   A pipe (of all varieties) registry needs to be put in place immediately, while an outright ban on pipes is considered by our various legislative bodies.    Bombers don't kill people, pipes do.

Back then, just keeping up a substandard of instruction in Shop Class was adequate.  Dating myself, but the lack of internet content and use in 1995 is probably why I am alive to type this since the class I was exiting at the time opened up into the hallway immediately across from the targeted water fountain.

Excellent points, with the progression of information available on the Inet, plus significantly improved technology.   I think it would be prudent to not only put a ban on pipes of all kinds, but all the relevant components involved in the process.   Let's start with the incubator . . . Ban the Internet!

[Dugout DickStone]

When people make arguments this poor, it makes the other side complacent

[puniraptor]

dax, is there anything that the government has banned under the guise of public safety that you agree with?