Another school shooting

[star seed 7]

Do you even science?

Good thing Big Saw isn't as powerful as Big Boxcutter, or your daughter would be maimed.

[CNS]

Do you even science?

Good thing Big Saw isn't as powerful as Big Boxcutter, or your daughter would be maimed.

Normally, yes, but I guess not in this case. 

Anyway, agreed that we are all lucky that Big Saw doesn't have the same interest in keeping weapons in the hands of the many as Big Boxcutter. 

[Institutional Control]

In non box cutter news.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/24/21119400-tennessee-naval-base-in-lockdown-after-shooting?lite

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

nothing to see here, drunken army guys fighting.

[Emo EMAW]

FWIW, bullets designed to expand and therefore kill more effectively were outlawed by the Geneva convention.  Military bullets must not expand, and as such are designed to maim, although they do kill their share. 

[CNS]

FWIW, bullets designed to expand and therefore kill more effectively were outlawed by the Geneva convention.  Military bullets must not expand, and as such are designed to maim, although they do kill their share.

Isn't this exactly what a hollow point bullet is?  If so, we can have them as private citizens but not our military?  seems pretty rword.org(thanks whoevs laid that term out there this week).

[OK_Cat]

if boxcutters come in boxes, how did they open the very first boxcutter box?   

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

if boxcutters come in boxes, how did they open the very first boxcutter box?   

With a gun!

[Emo EMAW]

FWIW, bullets designed to expand and therefore kill more effectively were outlawed by the Geneva convention.  Military bullets must not expand, and as such are designed to maim, although they do kill their share.

Isn't this exactly what a hollow point bullet is?  If so, we can have them as private citizens but not our military?  seems pretty rword.org(thanks whoevs laid that term out there this week).

Pretty much, although there are target (match grade) hollow points that still don't expand.  We now allow them for use in sniper rifles because of their accuracy.

Keep in mind the military isn't there to kill but to execute/enforce a policy.  And at least in conventional wars a wounded enemy was a bigger resource drain than a dead enemy.  So a bigger military win.  Citizens can use guns for lots of purposes, and I would bet that 99% of bullets and shotgun shells fired in this country are at paper or other targets.  The balance being game, and a very very small amount at other humans.  And of course you only want the expansion for the latter two. 

[Emo EMAW]

What in the world.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/24/s-california-elementary-school-student-pulls-trigger-on-police-rifle-3-kids/?intcmp=obnetwork   

[Rage Against the McKee]

That is negligence on the part of the police officer. It also is a pretty good demonstration of why arming teachers is not a very good idea.

[ChiComCat]

Unreal that they don't unload these things prior to bringing them to the school.  If you run into a crime on your way to the school, maybe you'll just have to sit that one out.

[DQ12]

About 40 pages ago or so i think it was FSD who was making an argument similar to dax's. 

The discussion ended with all parties (except FSD) agreeing that the point Dax is making is really, really stupid. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

[bubbles4ksu]

Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

what does it have to do with school shootings? 

[puniraptor]

Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

what does it have to do with school shootings? 

would have never happened if the murderer had been killed in a school shooting

[Emo EMAW]

Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

what does it have to do with school shootings? 

would have never happened if the murderer had been killed in a school shooting

He would have killed them all deader with a gun.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

"Knives -- The Silent Killer"   

[CNS]

Terrible:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/cousin-arrested-on-5-counts-of-murder-in-deaths-of-mom-4-kids-stabbed-in-nyc-home/2013/10/27/0b2612a8-3f72-11e3-b028-de922d7a3f47_story.html

Brought a knife to a gun fight.

[sys]

About 40 pages ago or so i think it was FSD who was making an argument similar to dax's. 

The discussion ended with all parties (except FSD) agreeing that the point Dax is making is really, really stupid.

i didn't go back to look, but i find it hard to believe that i agreed that it was a stupid point.

[sys]

pretty good listen.


http://freakonomics.com/2013/02/14/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

[Paul Moscow]

yeah so in the time that those stabbings happened

Man, 19, shot dead in Brooklyn, NY http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Shooting-Flatbush-Halloween-230158391.html …
Devin Skelton, 28, shot dead in Columbus, OH http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/10/26/columbus-second-vicitim-dies-july-shooting.html …
Man, 23, shot dead in Walker County, GA http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/oct/31/walker-county-officials-investigate-fatal-shooting/ …
Shawn Rhodes, 46, shot dead in Brooklyn, NY http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/East-New-York-Shooting-Death-Halloween-230159961.html …
Man shot dead in Milwaukee, WI http://www.cbs58.com/morning-news/stories/Fatal-shooting-at-Sherman-and-Lisbon-230021391.html …
Nathan Wintrow, 20, shot dead in Troy, OH http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crime-law/troy-police-investigating-shooting/nbdBR/ …
Man shot dead in Bronx, NY http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Shooting-Bronx-Officer-Involved-230157251.html …
Quentin Green, 36, shot dead in Sumter, SC http://www.wltx.com/news/article/254660/2/Police-Name-Calling-Leads-to-Fatal-Shooting- …
Charles M. Hooper, 61, shot dead in Zanesville, OH http://www.whiznews.com/content/news/local/2013/10/31/two-suspects-in-custody-after-fatal-shooting …
Man shot dead in Taylor County, GA http://www.41nbc.com/news/local-news/29042-gbi-investigating-deputy-involved-fatal-shooting-in-taylor-county …
Person shot dead in Beauford, NC http://www.wnct.com/story/23847532/fatal-shooting-in-carteret-
Terence Farmer, 57, shot dead in Gary, IN http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/gary/gary-police-seeking-witnesses-to-fatal-shooting-of-man/article_0d1a602b-619c-5f82-b29c-d9c3350297d5.html …
Woman, 36, shot dead in Memphis, TN http://wreg.com/2013/10/31/woman-shot-and-killed-in-southeast-shelby-county/ …
Man shot dead in Houston, TX http://www.khou.com/news/local/
Storeowner-found-shot-to-death-inside-SUV-in-northeast-Houston-230121371.html …
Man shot dead in Orange County, FL http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/orange-county/body-of-shot-man-found-in-parking-lot/-/12978032/22731506/-/f1hcxt/-/index.html …
Man shot dead in Baltimore, MD http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/police-investigating-double-shooting-in-north-baltimore/-/10131532/22738722/-/p26a1mz/-/index.html …
Man shot dead in Harmans, MD http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel-county/man-found-shot-in-7400-block-of-railroad-avenue/-/10137088/22746586/-/obknj5/-/index.html …
Charee Akins-Maddox, 33, shot dead in Albany, NY http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Man-accused-of-killing-woman-in-Albany-4942691.php …
Person shot dead in Brooklyn, NY http://nypost.com/2013/10/31/cops-shoots-himself-to-death-in-brooklyn/ …
William Owens shot dead in Harrison County, WV http://www.wdtv.com/wdtv.cfm?func=view&section=5-News&item=Woman-Admits-to-Accidentally-Killing-Grandson-12610 …
Man shot dead in Baltimore, MD http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-kennedy-ave-double-shooting-20131031,0,1738123.story …
23-year-old shot dead in Grand Rapids, MI http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20131031/METRO06/310310064/1409/METRO/2-fatally-shot-outside-Grand-Rapids-restaurant …
Samantha Decker, 24, shot dead in Fairfield, OH http://www.local12.com//news/features/top-stories/stories/fairfield-man-wanted-girlfriends-murder-4300.shtml#.UnI_YCjFVaU …
Man shot dead in Chicago, IL http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-oct-30-to-31-20131030,0,2071275.story …

[The1BigWillie]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/23851880/twitter-reports-of-shooting-at-lax

 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/23851880/twitter-reports-of-shooting-at-lax

 

off duty TSA agent shoots another TSA agent.

[mocat]

oh i'm sorry i didn't know LAX was a school