Another school shooting

[puniraptor]

No thanks.

Figures... A liberal with no interest in having perspective.

I'm not going to watch any 30 min video posted in the dome, it has nothing to do with not wanting to hear the other side.

Your loss - it's a great commentary from a psychiatrist that specializes in dealing with RAD kids (reactive detachment disorder) and profiles almost perfectly every school shooting that's taken place in our lifetime.

So what if these RAD kids and dudes were unable to get a gun?

[HeinBallz]

Who knows?  Buy a gun in the black market, steal one from a negligent cop,  print a gun, use a knife or a sword, buy a bomb, build a bomb, go on a pitch fork killing spree,  get a job at Wendy's and poison every person that goes through the drive through with lethal doses of Strychnine.

Possibilities are endless.

What would happen though if they were treated with effective therapy and they felt like productive members of society worthy of being loved?  Would it matter if they had guns? Would it be just as successful as the improbable complete disarming of the population?

[puniraptor]

would you give up your right to own 30 rnd magazines to save the life of just one child you have not and will never meet

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

would you give up your right to own 30 rnd magazines to save the life of just one child you have not and will never meet

As with everything the libs have put forth, none of it will have any affect on how many kids will be killed by criminally insane people. Treating the insane before they become criminals is the only real answer, but our freedoms in this country won't allow it unless the insane person agrees to be treated. You can infringe on millions of peoples rights with no affect, or the few insane with a direct affect.

[CNS]

Finding and diagnosing will violate rights as well.

For instance, when would the CT kid have been deemed insane?  He was kicked out of HS for not being able to function in there.  That would have been a good time, but no matter when, they have to get the family and kid to consent to sitting down with the person that will do the diagnosing.  This isn't something that will be taken lightly.

My wife tells me all kinds of stories about how ppl refuse to even medicate their kid for ADD let alone have them deemed unstable/dangerous to society.  ppl will avoid these like the plague. 

So, back to square one.

[HeinBallz]

First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

[Stevesie60]

First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I haven't checked the veracity of this story, but I found it interesting.

Since the infamous massacre at Columbine in 1999, mass shootings are on the rise. In nearly every case, the killers are young, white males with a history of mental instability. The other commonality that no one is talking about is that all of these killers had been prescribed various anti-anxiety, anti-psychotic, anti-depressant and sleep aid drugs. Because of HIIPA laws, exactly what treatment and diagnoses these people received cannot be officially released.  Still, some facts have been leaked.

Adam Lanza, 20, according to one of his uncle’s, suffered from Aspergers syndrome and had been prescribed Fanapt.

James Holmes, the Colorado theater shooter who was 24 years old was under psychiatric care and according to investigators who cleared his apartment of explosives, four prescription medication bottles in the killer’s name were found. A judge ruled that these items are not subject, in this case, to doctor-patient confidentiality. Inexplicably, the names of the medications have been redacted from court documents.

Jared Loughner was 22 years old at the time of the shooting, and his mental illness has been widely reported. He was been sentenced to a term of 140 years without the possibility of parole, a sentence that was handed down after a Federal judge ordered he be medicated for schizophrenia, so he would be competent enough to understand the charges and assist in his own defense. What drugs he had previously been prescribed and which he was currently on or had recently stopped taking has not been released.

Robert Stewart was 45 years old when he killed 8 people in a shooting rampage in Carthage, NC. A toxicologist testified Stewart had a cocktail of prescription drugs in his system, including Lexapro, Ambien, Benadryl and possibly Xanax.

Steven Kazmierczak was 27  when he killed 6 people and wounded 21 at Northern Illinois University. He had a history of psychiatric problems, was known as “Strange Steve” by his roommates and had been hospitalized several times for mental illness. He had been taking Xanax, Ambien and Prozac. According to his girlfriend, he had abruptly stopped taking Prozac three weeks before the rampage.

Seung-Hui Cho, 23,  killed 32 people and wounded 17 at Virginia Polytechnic and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia. In the aftermath, details of Cho’s history of mental illness, stretching all the way back to middle school were released. He had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder, Selective Mutism as well as major depressive disorder. He was known to be on Prozac, though a full listing of the drugs he was on at the time of the rampage that ended in his suicide has never been released.

Jeff Weise, 15 years old at the time, killed 9 people and wounded 5 more before killing himself on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation. He was taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, was just 12 years old when he killed his grandparents. His defense attorneys claimed he was a victim of “involuntary intoxication”. He was taking Paxil and Zoloft.

[HeinBallz]

First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

[Stevesie60]

First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

Yeah, the medical examiner had no idea what he was talking about. Kids probably weren't even dead. Who went back and determined how the kids died? Did other medical examiners decide to take another look? Did he change his mind and redo the whole thing?

[Paul Moscow]

First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

False. But nice to know you're on the same mailing list as Morton's Toe

An email states that Adam Lanza, the shooter in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, didn't actually use an assault weapon. The email says that weapon was still in his car. Is that true?

This email has been appearing in many area inboxes lately. It gained traction when police reported that a gun was found locked in the trunk of Lanza's car and, all of a sudden, that gun became the assault weapon that had been attributed to the bulk of the killings. Police reported, however, that Lanza took three weapons inside the school — a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns, a Sig Sauer 9mm and a Glock 10mm.

There was a gun found in Lanza’s car, but it was a shotgun. The primary weapon used in the Dec. 14 attack, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, “was a Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon.”

There was so much misinformation about the guns that Connecticut police issued an update on Jan. 23 confirming their original report, according to Snopes.com, a nonpartisan fact-finding website.

“Police provided details in [previous] news conferences, but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation,” the update stated. “Police said they found a Bushmaster .223-caliber model XM15-E with high capacity 30-round clips, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school. Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in the parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.”

A video clip of an early NBC News report from Dec. 15, which misstated the types of weapons Lanza had with him, was circulated a month later as proof that he did not use an assault weapon, Snopes.com reports. In that clip, the anchor states that four handguns, and only handguns, were found at the school and that the AR-15 assault-type weapon was recovered later in Lanza’s car. But in the rush to provide information, the clip was among several other reports with incorrect information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The only way to really tell what guns were used is if they ever release the numbers and calibers of spent shell casings found in the school. I haven't seen that anywhere.

[Stevesie60]

I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

[HeinBallz]

First of all: it takes a pretty pathetic person to play on the emotions of people over particular topic that requires logical thought.  You are either guilty of parroting someone else's argument or you're the worst kind of social engineer.  Second of all, I believe that is an unmeasurable metric and there is no way to prove that any gun legislation could be proved or disproved in preventing any violence.  But historical data suggest little to no correlation.  I believe it would have adverse effects.

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Why does the medical examiner seem to think it's "the long one"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zE0OT5od9DA#t=258s

Because he's either a dumb crap or a gun control shill. 

False. But nice to know you're on the same mailing list as Morton's Toe

An email states that Adam Lanza, the shooter in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, didn't actually use an assault weapon. The email says that weapon was still in his car. Is that true?

This email has been appearing in many area inboxes lately. It gained traction when police reported that a gun was found locked in the trunk of Lanza's car and, all of a sudden, that gun became the assault weapon that had been attributed to the bulk of the killings. Police reported, however, that Lanza took three weapons inside the school — a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns, a Sig Sauer 9mm and a Glock 10mm.

There was a gun found in Lanza’s car, but it was a shotgun. The primary weapon used in the Dec. 14 attack, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, “was a Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon.”

There was so much misinformation about the guns that Connecticut police issued an update on Jan. 23 confirming their original report, according to Snopes.com, a nonpartisan fact-finding website.

“Police provided details in [previous] news conferences, but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation,” the update stated. “Police said they found a Bushmaster .223-caliber model XM15-E with high capacity 30-round clips, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school. Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in the parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.”

A video clip of an early NBC News report from Dec. 15, which misstated the types of weapons Lanza had with him, was circulated a month later as proof that he did not use an assault weapon, Snopes.com reports. In that clip, the anchor states that four handguns, and only handguns, were found at the school and that the AR-15 assault-type weapon was recovered later in Lanza’s car. But in the rush to provide information, the clip was among several other reports with incorrect information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Fine whatever, it's irrelevant.  People are pitching ideas to limit a body count, I'm pitching ideas that could prevent stuff like this from happening. 

:slowclap:

[HeinBallz]

I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Or they could release the security video and put all of this to rest.

[HeinBallz]

And what's this "conservatives" label you're throwing around all willy nilly.

[Institutional Control]

It should also be noted that they finally came out and admitted that the only guns used in sandy hook were standard capacity hand guns. The .223 was left in the trunk.

Nice try, Glen Beck.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

[Emo EMAW]

I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Has he published a report?  (Not being argumentative, just haven't seen it and would like to if it's available.)

[HeinBallz]

Nice try, Glen Beck.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25202.msg734618#msg734618

[Domino]

Question for all gun enthusiasts here -

Do you think the National Firearms Act should be eliminated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

[HeinBallz]

Considering I'm more of a liberty enthusiast than a gun enthusiast, I'm not sure you're talking to me.  However,  it seems irrelevant to this discussion.  So what is the point of your question?

[Emo EMAW]

Question for all gun enthusiasts here -

Do you think the National Firearms Act should be eliminated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Yes.  But it's not something I'd push for or expect to realistically happen.

[HeinBallz]

It kind of already has been replaced to my understanding.  The only relevance it has is to identify certain weapons & attachments such as silencers, etc.  and  assess taxes based of the identifications.  Seems pretty irrelevant considering it was just one more conviction to attach to mobsters that were being arrested - as if all the other crap they were doing wasn't already illegal.  Basically just a tax for "law abiding citizens". Most of you know how I feel about taxes.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think it's ridiculous that conservatives won't give this issue a rest. I promise that the medical examiner is the best way to figure out what types of guns were used. He has no objective. Even if you count the shells you don't know if he shot them into someone or into the sky or whatever. The funniest thing is that this talking point isn't even that critical to conservatives' end game.

Or they could release the security video and put all of this to rest.

You honestly want them to release a security video showing little kids getting murdered?

[bigwillie20]

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/04/4047936/riverside-shooting-turns-fatal.html

A Super Bowl party fueled by tequila and marijuana ended with an apparently accidental gunshot to the back of one reveler’s head.
The Platte County prosecutor’s office filed charges Monday against 34-year-old Joshua W. Bailey, who was the host of the party at his apartment in the 4800 block of Northwest Homestead Road in Riverside.
Joshua Anderson, 22, of Riverside, was killed.
According to court documents, Bailey called 911 at 8:28 p.m. Sunday to report that he had accidentally shot his friend. Bailey said he did not know there was a bullet in the chamber.
“I’m going to jail,” Bailey told the dispatcher.
When police arrived, they found Bailey in the yard and Anderson inside on the floor, in a pool of blood, gasping for air and making “gargling” sounds. He was taken to a hospital, where he died about two hours later.
Bailey allegedly told police he had had four or five shots of tequila and smoked marijuana before taking a Jimenez 9 mm semi-automatic handgun out of a shoe box to show to his guests. Bailey allegedly said he emptied the gun and then put a magazine of ammunition in it and hit the slide release to make the slide go forward.
“This action chambered a round,” according to a police statement filed in court. “Bailey did not think there was a round in the chamber.”
According to police, Bailey then got up from the couch and pulled the trigger. The bullet struck Anderson in the back of the head. Bailey told police he had not aimed at his friend but the gun must have been pointed in that direction.
Police think the shooting was accidental. However, Bailey is a convicted felon who is not allowed to possess a firearm. He was charged with that in addition to unlawfully discharging a firearm while intoxicated, involuntary manslaughter and armed criminal action.
If convicted, he could face up to 21 years in prison. A cash bond was set at $500,000. Bailey was in the Platte County Jail on Monday.
In a written statement, county Prosecutor Eric Zahnd said the incident had nothing to do with gun rights or gun control.
“But virtually everyone agrees that only law-abiding citizens should safely and responsibly possess firearms,” Zahnd said.