Author Topic: Lets get everyone on the record. (Read 14586 times)

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #50 on:** November 24, 2012, 01:37:38 PM »

Lot of wise soothsayers sitting on the sidelines for this thread

"storm"nut · « **Reply #51 on:** November 24, 2012, 01:41:56 PM »

Frank will have a middle of the pack SEC team and will move on to another team in 4 years.

oscar will be gone in 4 years. Either fired or on to a major BBall school.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 24, 2012, 01:55:24 PM »

I am preparing myself for Frank to begin turning elite mentions into commitments at the same time oscar is slowly bleeding us out.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #53 on:** November 24, 2012, 02:36:33 PM »

Where the SEC will be once Frank has a couple years. I expect Frank could hit the top of his tier, but thats the peak of the program. Winning consistently in conference to contend for a league title has never been his strong suit.

SEC:
Kentucky

Florida
Missouri

Vandy
Alabama
Tennessee
South Carolina
Arkansas

Georgia
A&M
Mississippi
Mississippi St
Auburn
LSU

Skipper44 · « **Reply #54 on:** November 24, 2012, 03:04:31 PM »

I am not sure i can put MU on a higher plane than Ark and I believe Frank can and will have as much success at SoCar as MU will in the SEC once he has it going.

To me, FLA and UK are the only elite SEC jobs and UK, ARK and MU are the only schools that even care about hoops.

The things that made Frank a success at Kstate will also work in the SEC and he is closer to his recruiting base.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #55 on:** November 24, 2012, 03:14:44 PM »

Mizzou is a better program than Arkansas is now, and has been for nearly 20 years. Mizzou has no reason or excuse why they shouldn't remain firmly ahead of Arkansas. I refuse to let Arkansas get some prestige bump from a 20 year old natty.

BWebbs0 · « **Reply #56 on:** November 24, 2012, 03:15:25 PM »

Quote from: Pete on November 23, 2012, 11:27:34 PM

Quote from: gatoveintisiete on November 23, 2012, 11:21:05 PM
What are your predictions for the career paths of Frank and oscar from this point, in an effort to have some continuity of responses here are some categories

Length of Tenure at current schools

Frank 4 years at SC
oscar 10+ years at KSU

Reason for end of tenure
oscar retires after several Big 12 titles. His departure is met with tears of joy and sadness.
Frank fired for affair and becomes the head coach at a school in the SWAC.

High conference finish
oscar 1
Frank 8

Average conference finish
oscar 3
Frank 7

Will they coach at another Big conference school
Frank, Yes, after years of searching.
oscar, No, he retires.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #57 on:** November 24, 2012, 03:26:01 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 24, 2012, 03:14:44 PM

Mizzou is a better program than Arkansas is now, and has been for nearly 20 years. Mizzou has no reason or excuse why they shouldn't remain firmly ahead of Arkansas. I refuse to let Arkansas get some prestige bump from a 20 year old natty.

I agree for the most part, though I'm convinced Haith could collapse that program. Not sure if he will, but I think he has potential.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 24, 2012, 03:34:32 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on November 24, 2012, 03:14:44 PM

Mizzou is a better program than Arkansas is now, and has been for nearly 20 years. Mizzou has no reason or excuse why they shouldn't remain firmly ahead of Arkansas. I refuse to let Arkansas get some prestige bump from a 20 year old natty.

While every coaching search and hire has proven your point, I believe Anderson will do better than Haith over the next few years, at least partly because the fan base and support is better at Arkansas - MU fans often pro fans first, MU athletics are clearly second fiddle at best in STL and KC

gatoveintisiete · « **Reply #59 on:** November 24, 2012, 03:49:40 PM »

Quote from: ChiCat on November 24, 2012, 02:36:33 PM

Where the SEC will be once Frank has a couple years. I expect Frank could hit the top of his tier, but thats the peak of the program. Winning consistently in conference to contend for a league title has never been his strong suit.

SEC:
Kentucky

Florida
Missouri

Vandy
Alabama
Tennessee
South Carolina
Arkansas

Georgia
A&M
Mississippi
Mississippi St
Auburn
LSU

What a crapfest of a hoops conference, 14 teams or not, if you are not top 5 in that you are not trying very hard.

sys · « **Reply #60 on:** November 24, 2012, 10:23:33 PM »

maybe martin's best trait is an ability to recognize talent (and with that, an willingness, bordering on eagerness, to cut bait when he's been wrong). he signed a lot of players that were better than their ratings, and he was in early on a lot more that ended up elsewhere.

i haven't followed weber enough to know if this is accurate, but a glance at his career recruiting and winning trends would suggest that he might not be terribly good at the same.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #61 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:16:25 PM »

Quote from: sys on November 24, 2012, 10:23:33 PM

maybe martin's staff best trait is an ability to recognize talent (and with that, an willingness, bordering on eagerness, to cut bait when he's been wrong). he signed a lot of players that were better than their ratings, and he was in early on a lot more that ended up elsewhere.

i haven't followed weber enough to know if this is accurate, but a glance at his career recruiting and winning trends would suggest that he might not be terribly good at the same.

doom · « **Reply #62 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:21:19 PM »

Frank will make a couple tourneys starting next year, with really crappy seeds, move on to a better school that's been down.

oscar will be on the beach milking the redic buyout currie gave him.

michigancat · « **Reply #63 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:35:10 PM »

Lots of folks haven't seen South Carolina's commitment lists for 2013 and 2014.

SdK · « **Reply #64 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:37:24 PM »

4, 3, 3, 2 vs 4, 3

sys · « **Reply #65 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:44:32 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on November 24, 2012, 11:35:10 PM

Lots of folks haven't seen South Carolina's commitment lists for 2013 and 2014.

yeah.

sys · « **Reply #66 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:45:29 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on November 24, 2012, 11:16:25 PM

martin's staff best trait is an ability to recognize talent.

that's certainly possible. i really have no idea.

ednksu · « **Reply #67 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:48:04 PM »

Quote from: sys on November 24, 2012, 11:44:32 PM

Quote from: michigancat on November 24, 2012, 11:35:10 PM
Lots of folks haven't seen South Carolina's commitment lists for 2013 and 2014.

yeah.

horrid talking point

see players getting 'franked'

Recruiting lists only matter in year 3 of the player's eligibility.

michigancat · « **Reply #68 on:** November 24, 2012, 11:55:54 PM »

Quote from: sys on November 24, 2012, 11:45:29 PM

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on November 24, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
martin's staff best trait is an ability to recognize talent.

that's certainly possible. i really have no idea.

Luckily for Frank, this staff followed a lunatic on a downward spiral to a program that hasn't been to an ncaa tournament since I honestly don't know when.

EMAWesome · « **Reply #69 on:** November 25, 2012, 01:45:54 AM »

Length of Tenure at current schools

Frank - 6 years
oscar - 3 years

Reason for end of tenure

Frank - Finally recruits a kid he thinks is tough, but is a whiny bitch. Whiny bitch files complaint, history.
oscar - 1 NCAA tourney, followed by 2 NIT seasons isn't acceptable anymore

High conference finish

Frank - 3rd in the East
oscar - 4th

Average conference finish

Frank - 4.5 in the East
oscar - 6.5

Will they coach at another Big conference school

Frank - Will get into broadcasting
oscar - Yes...someplace like TCU that is desperate

bones129 · « **Reply #70 on:** November 25, 2012, 02:13:20 AM »

What I know is this...Frank will never coach here again.

felix rex · « **Reply #71 on:** November 25, 2012, 02:43:15 AM »

Careful. This is on record.

bones129 · « **Reply #72 on:** November 25, 2012, 02:55:27 AM »

Quote from: felix rex on November 25, 2012, 02:43:15 AM

Careful. This is on record.

I know it's on record. Although I liked Frank, he'll never coach here again. Too much whatever under the bridge.

felix rex · « **Reply #73 on:** November 25, 2012, 03:35:36 AM »

Mods, let the record show those bold words. Make sure bones129 can't delete them later and deny it.

wabash909 · « **Reply #74 on:** November 25, 2012, 07:57:18 AM »

JFC, we gave Jim Wooldridge five full years without even once going to the NIT because our insufferable tuck fan base thought he was a good guy and close to turning the corner. These people have short memories and are easily distracted and are generally very accepting of mediocrity.

How could anyone reasonably think oscar isn't getting five years here at the bare minimum.

We're riding with this dude for the long haul.