Lets get everyone on the record.

[gatoveintisiete]

What are your predictions for the career paths of Frank and oscar from this point, in an effort to have some continuity of responses here are some categories

Length of Tenure at current schools

Reason for end of tenure

High conference finish

Average conference finish

Will they coach at another Big conference school

[_33]

This seems like a lot of work.

[Pete]

What are your predictions for the career paths of Frank and oscar from this point, in an effort to have some continuity of responses here are some categories

Length of Tenure at current schools

Frank 4 years at SC
oscar 4 years at KSU

Reason for end of tenure
oscar fired
Frank beats posse out of town for third major conference job, at middle to low end of the conference

High conference finish
oscar 6
Frank 6

Average conference finish
oscar 6
Frank 7


Will they coach at another Big conference school
Frank, yes
oscar, no

[gatoveintisiete]

What are your predictions for the career paths of Frank and oscar from this point, in an effort to have some continuity of responses here are some categories

Length of Tenure at current schools

Reason for end of tenure

High conference finish

Average conference finish

Will they coach at another Big conference school

I'll go first, Frank 3-5 years at usc 3 if he punches somebody, 5 if he keeps temper in check.  oscar will retire from K-state either because of illness or old age.

Frank will probably top out at his standard 4th but my bet is he doesn't get higher than 5th.  I think oscar has a couple top 3 finishes in him.

Frank ends up middle of the pack sec for the most part, oscar averages just above middle of pack with a few high finishes.

50-50 shot of Frank getting another big conf. job, if he does I would think cellar dwellar school.  oscar is done after ksu.

[michigancat]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

[Pete]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

Then you think Frank takes another major conference job after being fired? 

[ELL3]

What are your predictions for the career paths of Frank and oscar from this point, in an effort to have some continuity of responses here are some categories

Length of Tenure at current schools

Reason for end of tenure
Frank leaves after four seasons, 2 NIT, 1 NCAA one and done, for Miami (FLA)
oscar leaves for a return home to Wisconsin-Milw,1 NCCA (this year) 1 NIT (4th year) not fired, but close 

High conference finish
Frank 3rd in SEC
oscar 5th (this year) in SEC

Average conference finish
Frank 6th in SEC
oscar 8th in Big 12

Will they coach at another Big conference school
Frank YES
Weber Hell NO

[michigancat]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

Then you think Frank takes another major conference job after being fired? 

He won't "beat the posse out of town".

He'll leave because he did a good job.

[Pete]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

Then you think Frank takes another major conference job after being fired? 

He won't "beat the posse out of town".

You think he matriculates away from a hoard of grieving fans?

Not me. I think he gets them decent, see's that he prolly can't sustain it, and takes the first next decent job...thus restarting the clock on a 1.5M per year job.  That's his MO.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Length of Tenure at current schools

oscar-5
frank-2

Reason for end of tenure

oscar-retired/fired
frank-took a different job

High conference finish

oscar-4
frank-7

Average conference finish

oscar-6
frank-9

Will they coach at another Big conference school

oscar-no
frank-yes


*also worthy of note is that oscar coaches in a conference that has 10 teams in it and frank coaches in a conference that has 14 teams.

[michigancat]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

Then you think Frank takes another major conference job after being fired? 

He won't "beat the posse out of town".

You think he matriculates away from a hoard of grieving fans?

Not me. I think he gets them decent, see's that he prolly can't sustain it, and takes the first next decent job...thus restarting the clock on a 1.5M per year job.  That's his MO.

I don't buy the line that he couldn't have sustained his success at K-State. His next job will be better.

[scottwildcat]

Length of Tenure at current schools
oscar:5 Frank:3

Reason for end of tenure
oscar: leaves for shitty big conference school Frank: leaves for a school in Florida (non big conference school)

High conference finish
oscar: 3 Frank: 8

Average conference finish
oscar: 5 Frank: 9

Will they coach at another Big conference school
oscar: Yes, he does well enough to get a job offer from some school like Northwestern or Utah or South Carolina and he leaves because we don't want him and he doesn't want to be here

Frank: Maybe

[ben ji]

oscar, out after 6 years...NCAA32, NIT, NCAA 64, NIT, NIT, Told he is fired in the tunnel after losing to TTech in Big12 Tourney
 
Frank, gone in 3 years for a better job.

[Pete]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

Then you think Frank takes another major conference job after being fired? 

He won't "beat the posse out of town".

You think he matriculates away from a hoard of grieving fans?

Not me. I think he gets them decent, see's that he prolly can't sustain it, and takes the first next decent job...thus restarting the clock on a 1.5M per year job.  That's his MO.

I don't buy the line that he couldn't have sustained his success at K-State. His next job will be better.

I think HE bought the line that he couldn't sustain his success at K-State.

[michigancat]

I disagree with Pete on everything but the last question.

Then you think Frank takes another major conference job after being fired? 

He won't "beat the posse out of town".

You think he matriculates away from a hoard of grieving fans?

Not me. I think he gets them decent, see's that he prolly can't sustain it, and takes the first next decent job...thus restarting the clock on a 1.5M per year job.  That's his MO.

I don't buy the line that he couldn't have sustained his success at K-State. His next job will be better.

I think HE bought the line that he couldn't sustain his success at K-State.

Nope

[Trim]

Length of Tenure at current schools

oscar - 4
Frank -4

Reason for end of tenure

oscar - forced out
Frank - leave for a better job and/or job with (in his mind) better AD

High conference finish

oscar - 4
Frank - 5

Average conference finish

oscar - 6
Frank - 7

Will they coach at another Big conference school

oscar - No
Frank - Yes

[Dugout DickStone]

I think oscar is gone in 3. 

[yosh]

oscar: will be here 5 years.  three straight NCAAs, no postseason at all, NIT, "resigns".  He'll probably move on a longterm mid major job.

Frank:  don't care.

[eastcat]

oscar: goes to the NCAA this year, crashes and burns from there on out, walks out of town in 4 years

Frank: comically bad season this year, improves next year falls a little a third and finds a job in FL after that. FIU, FAU, USF, UCF, UM etc..

I bet frank will get in trouble atleast once in south carolina.

[felix rex]

I am with trim. Basically, Frank is a good coach and oscar is not. Whatever those numbers are.

[felix rex]

It will be great after Miami joins the Big 12 to have our two most recent successful coaches come face Steve Henson at the Octagon. Just great.

[bones129]

I still remain unsold on oscar. I wish it were otherwise and I hope he proves me wrong. 

[felix rex]

Yeah. I would be very happy to be wrong. Also looking forward to tucker reaction after KU games. Will pro-establishment narrative override "KU is our measuring stick" narrative? Will be a great moment for cognitive dissonance.

[chum1]

oscar:  Crash and burn.  No NCAAs ever.
Frank:  Sweet 16.  NCAAs every year starting next year.

[KSUTOMMY]

oscar:  Crash and burn.  No NCAAs ever.
Frank:  Sweet 16.  NCAAs every year starting next year.

This is it - oscar here for a max of 3 yrs. The touchy-feely, hugs all around crap fails miserably.