Liars (ticket thread that may or may not be a Frank thread)

[Skipper44]

I don't believe that everything is good as long as we are profitable in college sports. That stance absolutely shits on the fans.  If that is the new stance, why shouldn't the fans treat it like a market product?

are you talking about being a bandwagon fan?

The AD should be concerned with winning above all else.  That is what keeps fans the happiest.  If that means Currie needs to learn how to deal with irrational yet successful coaches, then he needs to figure that out.  His comfort in his job shouldn't be anyone's concern.  I understand that the department has to be financially sound, but that is not the same thing as maximizing profit.  What I am saying is that if the AD is simply maximizing profit, they have ceased to put the fans first and if that is the case, why should the fans put the support of the uni first rather than treating them like any other biz?  It's a two way street.  Also, as discussed earlier in this thread, I can support w/o season tix.

Win or lose, make me feel like winning is priority #1 and I(and my season ticket money) am all yours, Currie.

but you're wrong, but that's ok.  there are a lot of balls in the athletic dept's air, that they need to juggle. 
success of its programs is a big one, but it certainly can't be the primary focus.  anyone could lead that athletic dept. and we all know the equation to get there.

as a sports fan, winning is your primary focus, no crap.

Short of a major NCAA infraction or criminal and/or personal issues(the UGA AD that got a DUI with a woman who was not his wife in the car at the time) ADs at sucessful schools do not get fired.  None of the other crap matters.

[CNS]

Success not being the priority?  that is silly.

Success has to be the priority in your rev sports.

Success makes the rest feasible.  It makes it feasible to become more profitable which lets you support your non-rev sports.  Also, this is different than maximizing profitability. 

[CHONGS]

No major conference school would hire a coach that had just been fired for performance either until K-State did. 

You have to think that Illinois is program on a much higher level than KSU if you think the oscar Weber hire is exciting.   Basically you must think KSU can't find a better coach than Illinois' garbage, a team that we have outperformed over the past 5 years.   Frank be-damned, it's about the tone set by the hire that we are a bottom feeder program that can only hire coaches that fail at "better" schools.

i've not read anyone post their excitement about the hire, but ok.

I've not read anyone saying the things you put into their mouth's either. 

But substitute exciting with whatever adjective or perhaps litotes you feel appropriate (good, inspiring of confidence, not underwhelming, not discouraging...).  Help me out here, you seem to know how true kstate fans should feel. 

sorry bud, never told anyone how to feel.  k, bud?  you're the one here making crap up.

ok clams you never tell people what they should be feeling or doing about kstate sports.

[pissclams]

No major conference school would hire a coach that had just been fired for performance either until K-State did. 

You have to think that Illinois is program on a much higher level than KSU if you think the oscar Weber hire is exciting.   Basically you must think KSU can't find a better coach than Illinois' garbage, a team that we have outperformed over the past 5 years.   Frank be-damned, it's about the tone set by the hire that we are a bottom feeder program that can only hire coaches that fail at "better" schools.

i've not read anyone post their excitement about the hire, but ok.

I've not read anyone saying the things you put into their mouth's either. 

But substitute exciting with whatever adjective or perhaps litotes you feel appropriate (good, inspiring of confidence, not underwhelming, not discouraging...).  Help me out here, you seem to know how true kstate fans should feel. 

sorry bud, never told anyone how to feel.  k, bud?  you're the one here making crap up.

ok clams you never tell people what they should be feeling or doing about kstate sports.

lets take a step back.  like i said, bud,  i don't think anyone here is excited for oscar.  not sure anyone is happy with oscar.  would be surprised if anyone is.   inspiring of confidence?  not sure, but i haven't seen anyone espousing idea that either. i think most all of us were discouraged. 

now that we've cleared that little nugget up, what was the point of your original post?  bud.

[pissclams]

Success not being the priority?  that is silly.

Success has to be the priority in your rev sports.

Success makes the rest feasible.  It makes it feasible to become more profitable which lets you support your non-rev sports.  Also, this is different than maximizing profitability. 

l3qarrn 2 reed.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Very few programs replace their exiting somewhat successful coach with a better coach on paper.

In his last 2 seasons at SIU, and his first 6 season at Illinois, Weber had a .744 winning %, won 3 conference titles, finished 2nd in the Big 10 another time, went to the Sweet 16 twice (at 2 schools), and the Final Four. 

Nobody available out there that K-State had a realistic chance of hiring had that kind of resume inherited a Bill Self coached team featuring Dee Brown, Deron Williams, and Luther Head.   

You can rub one out all day long and twice on Sunday in regards to Gottlieb or Pearl.  But in terms of guys like Doug, if those kinds of hires go South, they typically not only go off the road, they go through the ditch, into the woods, explode and nobody finds the burnt out wreck for 20 years.   Very few, well, likely NO major conference school AD and President is going to take that chance.   In regards to Pearl, while that would have been fun (just like Gottlieb) no major conference school AD and President is in the mindset to tangle with the NCAA given their current mode and mood.

B-Web was pretty successful at SIU and didn't run Illinois into the ground for a few years.  Any other talk of his resume is laughable.
You are correct that oscar Pearl is a smelly used car salesman and a bad man.

[CNS]

Success not being the priority?  that is silly.

Success has to be the priority in your rev sports.

Success makes the rest feasible.  It makes it feasible to become more profitable which lets you support your non-rev sports.  Also, this is different than maximizing profitability. 

l3qarrn 2 reed.

success of its programs is a big one, but it certainly can't be the primary focus.

so, 'grats on trolling me if that is what this is.  If not, wtf?

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't believe that everything is good as long as we are profitable in college sports. That stance absolutely shits on the fans.  If that is the new stance, why shouldn't the fans treat it like a market product?

are you talking about being a bandwagon fan?

The AD should be concerned with winning above all else.  That is what keeps fans the happiest.  If that means Currie needs to learn how to deal with irrational yet successful coaches, then he needs to figure that out.  His comfort in his job shouldn't be anyone's concern.  I understand that the department has to be financially sound, but that is not the same thing as maximizing profit.  What I am saying is that if the AD is simply maximizing profit, they have ceased to put the fans first and if that is the case, why should the fans put the support of the uni first rather than treating them like any other biz?  It's a two way street.  Also, as discussed earlier in this thread, I can support w/o season tix.

Win or lose, make me feel like winning is priority #1 and I(and my season ticket money) am all yours, Currie.

Want to make an AD pony up more money than the nice tidy sum you're already getting and put up with your over the top, hyper paranoid prima donna ways? 

-Win more, and winning more isn't .500 down the stretch of your latest season of record, with no previous championships of any kind.   

-Recruit better . . . have a pipeline that says you can't survive without me (Frank had no bullets in that chamber, unless you want to call a recruit who could only get into a school with lower admission standards than K-State a bullet). 

-Don't have half a team (or more) threatening to transfer if you stay on as coach with no changes in methods . . . and NO, the FP/TC message board banter doesn't have any standing on this one.    Had that actually come to pass . . . than go see "Recruit Better" and think a little.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

lets take a step back.  like i said, bud,  i don't think anyone here is excited for oscar.  not sure anyone is happy with oscar.  would be surprised if anyone is.   inspiring of confidence?  not sure, but i haven't seen anyone espousing idea that either. i think most all of us were discouraged. 

I think Brucey is going to succeed at KSU.  Have I been wrong before at predicting these things.  Yes, I have.  I'm also right sometimes.   

[CNS]

If the rumors are correct, Currie started targeting Frank before the home stretch of last season.

[sonofdaxjones]

If the rumors are correct, Currie started targeting Frank before the home stretch of last season.

He probably was . . . did he just wake up one day and decide he was going to "target" Frank?   

[catzacker]

I’m going to vote that the bball board be split into two boards:  those that believe in oscar and those that don’t.  It will make talking about basketball so much better than this crap.  Every shot at oscar isn’t a comparison to Frank.  oscar wrecked Illinois without any help from Frank.  And Frank’s insecurity/prima dona/whatever you want to call it was his own fault, just as Currie's mismanagement of talent/whatever you want to call is his own fault.

[michigancat]

I am late to this, but regarding the "oscar is the best we can hope for" talking point:

An unproven coach is better than a proven loser every time.

[sonofdaxjones]

I am late to this, but regarding the "oscar is the best we can hope for" talking point:

An unproven coach is better than a proven loser every time.

So a coach who has coached 468 games and won 67% of them is a proven loser?

Damn, you're one jaded [redacted] cRusty.



 

[0.42]

I am late to this, but regarding the "oscar is the best we can hope for" talking point:

An unproven coach is better than a proven loser every time.

So a coach who has coached 468 games and won 67% of them is a proven loser?

Damn, you're one jaded [redacted] cRusty.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. You know how you become a proven loser? Getting blasted by Doc rough ridin' Sadler (R.I.P.) and going into a tailspin.

[kitten_mittons]

so, 'grats on trolling me if that is what this is.  If not, wtf?

Clams has been trolling the bball board since the hire. Admittedly, it took me a while to catch on, but he's pretty good at it, so I don't feel too bad.

[kitten_mittons]

I am late to this, but regarding the "oscar is the best we can hope for" talking point:

An unproven coach is better than a proven loser every time.

So a coach who has coached 468 games and won 67% of them is a proven loser?

Damn, you're one jaded [redacted] cRusty.

Thanks for the info, sonofjohncurrie.

[michigancat]

I am late to this, but regarding the "oscar is the best we can hope for" talking point:

An unproven coach is better than a proven loser every time.

So a coach who has coached 468 games and won 67% of them is a proven loser?

Damn, you're one jaded [redacted] cRusty.

Absolutely. When you get fired strictly for on-court performance, you're a proven loser.

[sonofdaxjones]

I am late to this, but regarding the "oscar is the best we can hope for" talking point:

An unproven coach is better than a proven loser every time.

So a coach who has coached 468 games and won 67% of them is a proven loser?

Damn, you're one jaded [redacted] cRusty.

Absolutely. When you get fired strictly for on-court performance, you're a proven loser.

Like I said earlier, it's Illinois, I can't put that much credence in it, and Weber had 4 Top 100's signed in his last recruiting class.   

Oh and 42 . . . 2 of Frank's greatest coaching debacles took place in Lincoln against Sadler. 

[CHONGS]

No major conference school would hire a coach that had just been fired for performance either until K-State did. 

You have to think that Illinois is program on a much higher level than KSU if you think the oscar Weber hire is exciting.   Basically you must think KSU can't find a better coach than Illinois' garbage, a team that we have outperformed over the past 5 years.   Frank be-damned, it's about the tone set by the hire that we are a bottom feeder program that can only hire coaches that fail at "better" schools.

i've not read anyone post their excitement about the hire, but ok.

I've not read anyone saying the things you put into their mouth's either. 

But substitute exciting with whatever adjective or perhaps litotes you feel appropriate (good, inspiring of confidence, not underwhelming, not discouraging...).  Help me out here, you seem to know how true kstate fans should feel. 

sorry bud, never told anyone how to feel.  k, bud?  you're the one here making crap up.

ok clams you never tell people what they should be feeling or doing about kstate sports.

lets take a step back.  like i said, bud,  i don't think anyone here is excited for oscar.  not sure anyone is happy with oscar.  would be surprised if anyone is.   inspiring of confidence?  not sure, but i haven't seen anyone espousing idea that either. i think most all of us were discouraged. 

now that we've cleared that little nugget up, what was the point of your original post?  bud.

kim carnes is either excited for oscar or trolling us, I know there are quite a few more but that's not important.

My point was that the lack of ticket sales (if it exists) is not due to just people people being buttrhurt about frank not being coach anymore, but rather lack of excitement about the future of KSU hoops.

[catzacker]

if we want to look at things from strictly a stats perspective without applying any knowledge whatsoever to those stats (or conveniently being naive) then dig up john wooden and put him on the sidelines.  all that guy did was win national championships.  he'd be a great coach for ksu.

[0.42]

Oh and 42 . . . 2 of Frank's greatest coaching debacles took place in Lincoln against Sadler.

Yup. They were stinkers. But only in one of the two were we run out of the gym, and after that blowout we won 6 out of our next 7. oscar faceplanted.

[michigancat]

Like I said earlier, it's Illinois, I can't put that much credence in it, and Weber had 4 Top 100's committed in his last recruiting class.   

Are you going seriously going to say oscar deserved another year? That oscar had things going in the right direction, but Illinois just isn't very good at hiring/firing coaches? Because I think that's what you're trying to say here.

[sonofdaxjones]

Like I said earlier, it's Illinois, I can't put that much credence in it, and Weber had 4 Top 100's committed in his last recruiting class.   

Are you going seriously going to say oscar deserved another year? That oscar had things going in the right direction, but Illinois just isn't very good at hiring/firing coaches? Because I think that's what you're trying to say here.

When a coach signs 4 Top 100 players, and he's only a year away from an NCAA tourney birth, he probably deserves some more time.   But I expect you to have zero objectivity about this.

[michigancat]

Like I said earlier, it's Illinois, I can't put that much credence in it, and Weber had 4 Top 100's committed in his last recruiting class.   

Are you going seriously going to say oscar deserved another year? That oscar had things going in the right direction, but Illinois just isn't very good at hiring/firing coaches? Because I think that's what you're trying to say here.

When a coach signs 4 Top 100 players, and he's only a year away from an NCAA tourney birth, he probably deserves some more time.   But I expect you to have zero objectivity about this.

Oh he was ONLY a year from an NCAA tourney birth? sheesh, what were those guys thinking.