Liars (ticket thread that may or may not be a Frank thread)

[kitten_mittons]

I would love to speculate on how awesome we would still be with Frank here.

I love having high expectations for wildcat BB.  Thanks to Frank I have learned to have them.

I had them a long time ago, and there's a reason at times I called Frank, "Frank Kruger".

Kruger recruited better, IMHO.

absurd. kruger left the cupboard completely bare. frank left a top25 team.

Not sure if you missed kenpoms tweet earlier, didn't sniff the top 25 actually.   Frank left a solid roster though.

that was a top25 team at the end of last year and i have no doubt frank would have them up there this year if he was still here. anything less will be be very, very sad.

A top 25 team at the end of last year?   Let's take a look at the stretch run into post season starting in February, and then post season.   

First off lets remind ourselves that K-State went into Feb. with loss at home to OU, and on the road against Iowa state. 

Down the regular season stretch K-State  went 6-3 (not bad), but 4 of those wins were against $hitty OSU, A&M, and Tech.   2 quality wins against mu and Baylor.   The usual loss to ku, loss to a mediocre Texas team, owned by the Mayor in Manhattan.   

Post Season:  Blown out by Baylor in KC, game was never in doubt.   A win vs a C-USA team in the NCAA tourney-we'll take'em, blown out by Syracuse.

Now what did oscar's team look like last year?

[sonofdaxjones]

Pretty $hitty.

But we are talking about K-State, not about Illinois. 

[kitten_mittons]

Pretty $hitty.

But we are talking about K-State, not about Illinois.

And we're trying to talk about K-State, not about South Carolina.

[sonofdaxjones]

Pretty $hitty.

But we are talking about K-State, not about Illinois.

And we're trying to talk about K-State, not about South Carolina.

I was responding to what happened LAST season.   K-State was NOT a Top 25 at the end of the LAST season.

[Cire]

I'm upset because I feel the hiring process was a joke and I feel like Currie ran a successful coach out.  Therefore I will not support his bball program.

Dax, what kind of fan am i

[Barry McCockner]

I'm upset because I feel the hiring process was a joke and I feel like Currie ran a successful coach out.  Therefore I will not support his bball program.

Dax, what kind of fan am i

For me (and I assumed most of #teamburnitdown) it was more about what Currie did after he ran Frank.  If you're going to run Frank, fine...I personally felt like he had hit his ceiling, ran too many players, wasn't progressing, etc.  So there is Currie, coaching vacancy, Huggins & Frank have the program back on the national radar, lots of returning talent, BBPF being built, successful fball program filling the bank account - if ever there was a time to go out and get a coach, that was it.  What does he do?  Takes the word of one individual, looks no further than that one candidate (he admitted), never interviews anyone else (he admitted) and by all accounts never even considers anyone else, spends a week watching porn in a Dallas hotel room (extrapolated), and we end up with oscar rough ridin' Weber.   

[catzacker]

I think I have Dax’s position nailed down:  Frank was not that good of a coach and Weber isn’t that good of a coach.  But we are required to support both (when they are at KSU).  What we should do is let them coach their “mediocrity” and just complain about it here.  But support them.  Cause if you don’t support them, you’re not supporting K-State.  But you can want them to not be the coach.  Just complain about it. But support them.

[TheHamburglar]

Dax, I know 4 other people who did the same thing I'm doing this year. We all dropped our season tickets because of the oscar hire. None of us live within 90 minutes of Manhattan, so we didn't make it to every game when we had tickets, we sold or gave them away. This year we plan on going to roughly the same number of games as years before, but we know tickets will easily be available do to the non-excitement of oscar.  We all had tickets before because we didn't want to have to worry about finding them for the games we do want to go to. The advantage of buying season tickets is gone. I'm not going to overpay for tickets and try to sell the ones I can't use in a saturated market. If we would have hired someone who gave the fans hope for long-term success, I would have gotten my season tickets again. If the oscar hire proves me wrong and we are successful, I'll start buying them again. It's obvious they will be available again and the waitlist is no more. However, not buying season tickets doesn't mean I won't still go to the games, I'm just not overpaying KSU for them.

[Underdog Wildcat]

I live further than 90 miles away from Manhattan. I have season tickets.

Leaving work early can be a hassle to make it to all the weeknight games, but it's a priority for me to support Kansas State basketball, so I will be at the Bram.

Go Cats.

[TheHamburglar]

I live further than 90 miles away from Manhattan. I have season tickets.

Leaving work early can be a hassle to make it to all the weeknight games, but it's a priority for me to support Kansas State basketball, so I will be at the Bram.

Go Cats.

Good for you, but your crazy to think that every season ticket holder should have the same priorities as you. If you think everyone that goes to KSU games should have the same priorities and be at every game, then the Bram only needs 3,000 seats available for worthy fans.

[wabash909]

I live further than 90 miles away from Manhattan. I have season tickets.

Leaving work early can be a hassle to make it to all the weeknight games, but it's a priority for me to support Kansas State basketball, so I will be at the Bram.

Go Cats.

Same here.  Although, my passion has dropped significantly and this will be my last year if/when we return to Wooly ball.

[Underdog Wildcat]

I live further than 90 miles away from Manhattan. I have season tickets.

Leaving work early can be a hassle to make it to all the weeknight games, but it's a priority for me to support Kansas State basketball, so I will be at the Bram.

Go Cats.

Good for you, but your crazy to think that every season ticket holder should have the same priorities as you. If you think everyone that goes to KSU games should have the same priorities and be at every game, then the Bram only needs 3,000 seats available for worthy fans.

When did I say every season ticket holder should have the exact same priorities as I do?

You felt compelled to state your stance, and I stated mine.

If you're not in all in, that's not a crime, but don't give me crap for fully supporting the team.

[TheHamburglar]

I live further than 90 miles away from Manhattan. I have season tickets.

Leaving work early can be a hassle to make it to all the weeknight games, but it's a priority for me to support Kansas State basketball, so I will be at the Bram.

Go Cats.

Good for you, but your crazy to think that every season ticket holder should have the same priorities as you. If you think everyone that goes to KSU games should have the same priorities and be at every game, then the Bram only needs 3,000 seats available for worthy fans.

When did I say every season ticket holder should have the exact same priorities as I do?

You felt compelled to state your stance, and I stated mine.

If you're not in all in, that's not a crime, but don't give me crap for fully supporting the team.

You're the one who made a passive-aggressive call out that gives you an easy out (which you used). If you want to call someone out for not having the same priorities, then actually do it and don't make some passive-aggressive statement that you back out.

[pissclams]

do you want three years of weber, or do you want ten?  fans have very little power to effect change on their university's sports programs, but they'd be idiots not to exercise what little power they do wield.

nothing that you, nor anyone else here does will have any effect on weber's tenure at k-state.  but keep telling yourself that your actions will have some effect because i gotta tell you, your nazi-thing has, in no way, gotten old.

if no one attended a game, he would be gone within two years.  you and all the other spineless nazi retards on this board and elsewhere are responsible for every day beyond those years that i have to suffer with weber and currie installed at my university.

well, as long as we're talking in pure hyperbole, what would happen if he wins 12 national championships in a row here at ksu cats?

obviously JC is fine with losing a some season tickets if it means he doesn't have to deal with frank being a pain in his ass anymore.  your real issue should be with the animal, not currie.

[Underdog Wildcat]

I live further than 90 miles away from Manhattan. I have season tickets.

Leaving work early can be a hassle to make it to all the weeknight games, but it's a priority for me to support Kansas State basketball, so I will be at the Bram.

Go Cats.

Good for you, but your crazy to think that every season ticket holder should have the same priorities as you. If you think everyone that goes to KSU games should have the same priorities and be at every game, then the Bram only needs 3,000 seats available for worthy fans.

When did I say every season ticket holder should have the exact same priorities as I do?

You felt compelled to state your stance, and I stated mine.

If you're not in all in, that's not a crime, but don't give me crap for fully supporting the team.

You're the one who made a passive-aggressive call out that gives you an easy out (which you used). If you want to call someone out for not having the same priorities, then actually do it and don't make some passive-aggressive statement that you back out.

WTF are you talking about?

There was a string of 10 about posts in a row that said "I'm going to go to some of the games, but I really don't care."

Just to let everybody out there know we're not just a bunch of goEMAW zombies, I will be at the games, I do care.

[Cire]

do you want three years of weber, or do you want ten?  fans have very little power to effect change on their university's sports programs, but they'd be idiots not to exercise what little power they do wield.

nothing that you, nor anyone else here does will have any effect on weber's tenure at k-state.  but keep telling yourself that your actions will have some effect because i gotta tell you, your sysboner-thing has, in no way, gotten old.

if no one attended a game, he would be gone within two years.  you and all the other spineless sysboner retards on this board and elsewhere are responsible for every day beyond those years that i have to suffer with weber and currie installed at my university.

well, as long as we're talking in pure hyperbole, what would happen if he wins 12 national championships in a row here at ksu cats?

obviously JC is fine with losing a some season tickets if it means he doesn't have to deal with frank being a pain in his ass anymore.  your real issue should be with the animal, not currie.

he's a douche too.

[Cire]

and a million miles out of touch with athletics and fans of athletics.

[TheHamburglar]

WTF are you talking about?

There was a string of 10 about posts in a row that said "I'm going to go to some of the games, but I really don't care."

Just to let everybody out there know we're not just a bunch of goEMAW zombies, I will be at the games, I do care.

So you make a post, 11 minutes after mine, where you reference mine and say you make going to the games a priority and you try to play it off that its not a callout/brag post in the middle of a discussion about why season ticket sales are down.  Bullshit.

[Underdog Wildcat]

WTF are you talking about?

There was a string of 10 about posts in a row that said "I'm going to go to some of the games, but I really don't care."

Just to let everybody out there know we're not just a bunch of goEMAW zombies, I will be at the games, I do care.

So you make a post, 11 minutes after mine, where you reference mine and say you make going to the games a priority and you try to play it off that its not a callout/brag post in the middle of a discussion about why season ticket sales are down.  Bullshit.

Sounds like somebody feels a little guilty about not supporting KSU hoops.

Ticket sales aren't down because of me.

[CNS]

The point about the hire being the issue its on point.  Once you run a decent coach, you damn well better replace him w a better coach.  Not doing so show that an AD is either a poor AD out doesn't care about the fans, program, uni athletics, etc.  It brings into question motives.

Dax complained that frank wasnt planning for the long haul here.  Well WTF is currie doing w this hire and why does the lack of his planning for the long term w this coach not bother ppl?

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[pissclams]

do you want three years of weber, or do you want ten?  fans have very little power to effect change on their university's sports programs, but they'd be idiots not to exercise what little power they do wield.

nothing that you, nor anyone else here does will have any effect on weber's tenure at k-state.  but keep telling yourself that your actions will have some effect because i gotta tell you, your sysboner-thing has, in no way, gotten old.

if no one attended a game, he would be gone within two years.  you and all the other spineless sysboner retards on this board and elsewhere are responsible for every day beyond those years that i have to suffer with weber and currie installed at my university.

well, as long as we're talking in pure hyperbole, what would happen if he wins 12 national championships in a row here at ksu cats?

obviously JC is fine with losing a some season tickets if it means he doesn't have to deal with frank being a pain in his ass anymore.  your real issue should be with the animal, not currie.

he's a douche too.

but a successful one, right?   

seems like things are pretty good at ksu cats right now, from both the athletic and university level perspectives 

[CNS]

I don't believe that everything is good as long as we are profitable in college sports. That stance absolutely shits on the fans.  If that is the new stance, why shouldn't the fans treat it like a market product?

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[sonofdaxjones]

Very few programs replace their exiting somewhat successful coach with a better coach on paper.

In his last 2 seasons at SIU, and his first 6 season at Illinois, Weber had a .744 winning %, won 3 conference titles, finished 2nd in the Big 10 another time, went to the Sweet 16 twice (at 2 schools), and the Final Four. 

Nobody available out there that K-State had a realistic chance of hiring had that kind of resume.   

You can rub one out all day long and twice on Sunday in regards to Gottlieb or Pearl.  But in terms of guys like Doug, if those kinds of hires go South, they typically not only go off the road, they go through the ditch, into the woods, explode and nobody finds the burnt out wreck for 20 years.   Very few, well, likely NO major conference school AD and President is going to take that chance.   In regards to Pearl, while that would have been fun (just like Gottlieb) no major conference school AD and President is in the mindset to tangle with the NCAA given their current mode and mood.   

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[TheHamburglar]

WTF are you talking about?

There was a string of 10 about posts in a row that said "I'm going to go to some of the games, but I really don't care."

Just to let everybody out there know we're not just a bunch of goEMAW zombies, I will be at the games, I do care.

So you make a post, 11 minutes after mine, where you reference mine and say you make going to the games a priority and you try to play it off that its not a callout/brag post in the middle of a discussion about why season ticket sales are down.  Bullshit.

Sounds like somebody feels a little guilty about not supporting KSU hoops.

Ticket sales aren't down because of me.

You're right that ticket sales aren't down because of you, but ticket sales aren't down because of me either.  Ticket sales are down because we hired a coach that sucked all the excitement out of the fanbase, therefore demand is down. There is no reason to invest/overpay for season tickets if you don't plan on making every game because tickets will easily be available at a lower price.  Like it or not, a portion of our fanbase bought season tickets because they viewed it as an investment with the possible return that they will have guaranteed access to tickets if team's success continued to grow and demand for tickets went up.  The oscar hire greatly lowered the possibility for that return, so they dropped their season tickets and no one is backfilling their demand. 

I in no way feel guilty for not supporting the KSU hoops players.  I'll be at just as many games, but I'm not going to reward our AD who has a higher interest in success in the financial report than success on the court by making a bad investment for myself on season tickets.  However, you keep denying that you didn't mean that post as a callout/brag. This last post you made clearly supports that claim.