"Obamacare"

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

We need to pass a law that makes it illegal for insurance to be expensive.

Maybe we should just get rid of insurance altogether.

it's mind blowing that health insurance is even a thing.

Totally, right? Healthcare should be free for all.

It makes even more sense that auto insurance be free for all since you have no control over other cars.

So you have complete control over your health? Why do we have emergency rooms?

That's what I'm saying. If health care should be free, so should auto insurance. Some things you just have no control over.

[Rage Against the McKee]

We need to pass a law that makes it illegal for insurance to be expensive.

Maybe we should just get rid of insurance altogether.

it's mind blowing that health insurance is even a thing.

Totally, right? Healthcare should be free for all.

It makes even more sense that auto insurance be free for all since you have no control over other cars.

So you have complete control over your health? Why do we have emergency rooms?

That's what I'm saying. If health care should be free, so should auto insurance. Some things you just have no control over.

I would be fine with health care costing a similar amount to what I pay for automobiles + auto insurance.

[star seed 7]

insurance is for property.  your health isn't property.

the car insurance comparison is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and all of you know that.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

insurance is for property.  your health isn't property.

the car insurance comparison is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), and all of you know that.

No, it's to protect your other property (eg, personal liability from unpaid medical bill).  Auto insurance (liability portion) is the same.

Not surprised that the libtards don't know what insurance is for.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

insurance is for property.  your health isn't property.

Why is that distinction relevant? Some people take care of their cars / health - others don't. Some people drive responsibly / make healthy choices - others don't.

Let's just cut to the chase here. I know you're not stupid enough to believe that healthcare should be "free" - somebody's got to pay for it - you just don't like the idea of health insurance. Why?

There's nothing wrong with people purchasing insurance to protect themselves against calamitous health problems, just like any other unexpected occurrence (fire, flood, etc.). In fact, that's how insurance is supposed to work - you don't use it to pay for routine maintenance.

Your problem isn't with insurance per se, but that you don't think it's "fair" that some people have access to better healthcare than others because they can pay for it. It's a "human right" and all that bullshit. Your "solution" is a socialized healthcare system, where everyone is entitled to the same care, regardless of ability to pay for it. The only way this works, however, is for the government to (1) ration care, and (2) engage in a massive transfer of wealth from those who earn decent incomes and/or make good health decisions, to those who are poorer and/or did not make good health decisions (and yes, those truly unfortunate few who were born into poor health, etc.).

But as someone who works hard, both to earn a decent income and stay healthy, I say eff your socialism, and keep your grubby mits out of my pockets. If you want more/better healthcare, pay for it.

[star seed 7]

there is zero reason that free healthcare shouldn't be available to every american (paid for by taxes of course, since you republitards hurhurhur over the word free).  there is also zero reason that if you wanted, you could see a private doctor at your own expense.  no one is taking that right away from you. 

you're just a selfish Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), that's all.  own up to it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

there is zero reason that free healthcare shouldn't be available to every american (paid for by taxes of course, since you republitards hurhurhur over the word free).  there is also zero reason that if you wanted, you could see a private doctor at your own expense.  no one is taking that right away from you. 

you're just a selfish Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), that's all.  own up to it.

Yup, you just affirmed my suspicions above. And you're right - even a socialized system won't stop the "rich" from buying their own superior healthcare. Problem is, I'm not rich. I'm just better off than all the moochers. Move to Canada if you want socialized medicine. English speaking and you don't even need a plane ticket. And, if you ever need an operation or to see a specialist and you don't want to wait 6 months, you can always drive back down south!

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

there is zero reason that free healthcare shouldn't be available to every american (paid for by taxes of course, since you republitards hurhurhur over the word free).  there is also zero reason that if you wanted, you could see a private doctor at your own expense.  no one is taking that right away from you. 

you're just a selfish Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), that's all.  own up to it.

The retards are people that trust the government to do ANYTHING efficiently or properly. I challenge you to name just one thing that government does better than private enterprise. We used to be able to say "military", but that's not even true anymore. Government is a giant money pit that produces nothing.

[star seed 7]

maybe you should move, since free healthcare will be here within 20 years, and the country will be better because of it.

but maybe you should move because you hate america and are selfish prick.

[star seed 7]

there is zero reason that free healthcare shouldn't be available to every american (paid for by taxes of course, since you republitards hurhurhur over the word free).  there is also zero reason that if you wanted, you could see a private doctor at your own expense.  no one is taking that right away from you. 

you're just a selfish respect, that's all.  own up to it.

The retards are people that trust the government to do ANYTHING efficiently or properly. I challenge you to name just one thing that government does better than private enterprise. We used to be able to say "military", but that's not even true anymore. Government is a giant money pit that produces nothing.

this is a much more fair argument that "I WANT MY MONEY, eff OTHER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (continue tantrum)".

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

maybe you should move, since free healthcare will be here within 20 years, and the country will be better because of it.

I guess I gave you too much credit - you really do appear to believe that socialized healthcare is "free."

Anway, why wait 20 years? Your socialized medicine paradise is available to you right now just a day's driving to the north! And, as I said, you'd still have the American system available as a lifeline if you ever need it. It's the best of both worlds for you Seven! Do you like hockey? Man, if you like hockey you're going be totally set!

[star seed 7]

see what i mean about republitards hurhurhuring over the word free?

you're a rough ridin' moron.

[powercat_62]

The Director of Operations at my company just sent out the benefits open enrollment email. 

As expected, the price of health coverage increased this year but less than anticipated and much less than some of the 30-50% increases that some companies are seeing.  The increase is approximately 6 percent and the company will absorb this cost for employee coverage. 

[chum1]

Is there a country to which the people who don't like Obamacare or other forms of commie healthcare to move?  What's the situation like in Sudan?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Is there a country to which the people who don't like Obamacare or other forms of commie healthcare to move?  What's the situation like in Sudan?

Funny that you mention a third world country. Brings to mind what Henry Chao, Deputy CIO for the CMS, said about the Obamacare rollout back in March of 2013:

We are under 200 days from open enrollment, and I’m pretty nervous. ...  Let’s just make sure it’s not a third-world experience.

Anyway, poll after poll indicates that a majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare if not favor outright repeal. Why should the majority have to move, especially when a bipartisan consensus is now emerging that this law is a turd? And if we move, who's going to pay for it?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

see what i mean about republitards hurhurhuring over the word free?

you're a rough ridin' moron.

Good argument. You got me.

[chum1]

Is there a country to which the people who don't like Obamacare or other forms of commie healthcare to move?  What's the situation like in Sudan?

Funny that you mention a third world country. Brings to mind what Henry Chao, Deputy CIO for the CMS, said about the Obamacare rollout back in March of 2013:

We are under 200 days from open enrollment, and I’m pretty nervous. ...  Let’s just make sure it’s not a third-world experience.

Anyway, poll after poll indicates that a majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare if not favor outright repeal. Why should the majority have to move, especially when a bipartisan consensus is now emerging that this law is a turd? And if we move, who's going to pay for it?

I wouldn't tell anyone they should move.  Just wondering about the corollary to the asinine remark that one should "move to Canada."

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Is there a country to which the people who don't like Obamacare or other forms of commie healthcare to move?  What's the situation like in Sudan?

Funny that you mention a third world country. Brings to mind what Henry Chao, Deputy CIO for the CMS, said about the Obamacare rollout back in March of 2013:

We are under 200 days from open enrollment, and I’m pretty nervous. ...  Let’s just make sure it’s not a third-world experience.

Anyway, poll after poll indicates that a majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare if not favor outright repeal. Why should the majority have to move, especially when a bipartisan consensus is now emerging that this law is a turd? And if we move, who's going to pay for it?

I wouldn't tell anyone they should move.  Just wondering about the corollary to the asinine remark that one should "move to Canada."

As I said, Canada is a great alternative. English speaking, easy distance, and still in easy reach if US if you need any specialized care. Just trying to help those who can't wait for that free healthcare!

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Question to the "healthcare is a human right" neolibtards:  why is this human right limited to the scourge of first world western civilization?  Shouldn't it extend to all of man kind?

Even if we could pay for our existiting universal healthcare system(we cant by its own actuaries) and even if our feeble attempt at providing "access" to healthcare to a few million people wasn't an unmitigated disaster and enormous failure, why on earth would you want to impose and subject the overwhelming majority of this country to "free" healthcare as you imagine it?
 If anyone is being selfish here, its seven, the other libtards and the poors who already get a ton of free crap for nothing and demand more.  Nobody wants to be a part of your perverted social experiment you selfish dickwads.

Follow up question: why cant you understand how insurance works and what purpose it serves?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The complete misunderstanding of what insurance is for aside, how selfish is it to declare that everyone else should have to give away their money, and if the resist call themnselfish, just so you can have it for yourself in the form of yet another entitlement.

[Institutional Control]

“Obamacare is horrible, and I found myself desperate for an extra boost,” Radel admitted in a statement released today. “Obviously I never would have turned to drugs had it not been for the way this legislation is destroying the very fabric of our great nation.”

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

“Obamacare is horrible, and I found myself desperate for an extra boost,” Radel admitted in a statement released today. “Obviously I never would have turned to drugs had it not been for the way this legislation is destroying the very fabric of our great nation.”

That is fantastic. Obamacare claims another victim.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

This is real. From the administration that brought you "The Life of Julia" and "Ask For a Donation to Obama 2012 In Lieu of Gifts", now comes the eagerly anticipated third installment of batshit crazy creepy libtardedness, just in time for the Thanksgiving: http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/! Make sure to click the link and checkout the helpful video!

This holiday season, millions of Americans have a chance to get quality, affordable health insurance—many for the first time. If you have family members who are uninsured, you can play a big part in helping them find coverage that works for them. It might not always seem like it, but your family listens to you. So have the talk.

STEP 1: SEND A PACKING LIST

Are your family members traveling home for the holidays? There are a few things they’ll need to sign up for health coverage. Make sure they bring the following items with them before they head home.
1. Your Social Security Number
2. Information about your employer and income— either a pay stub or a copy of your most recent W-2 tax form
3. If you currently have health insurance, you’ll need your health insurance card or paperwork that includes a health policy number

STEP 2: PLANNING YOUR HEALTH CARE TALK

Make sure you have a plan for when, where, and how you’ll talk to your family about health insurance. Here are a few tips to help you prepare.

PICK A TIME

Start early: Don’t wait until the last minute—be sure to start the conversation early!

Integrate the talk into family time: Take advantage of downtime after meals or between holiday activities to start your talk.

CHOOSE A PLACE

Get creative: Think about what matters to your family member. Make it memorable!

Find a Quiet Place to Shop: You can start your conversation anywhere, but to shop for health coverage, you will want a more quiet, private place to make a phone call or use the internet.

THINK ABOUT HOW YOU’LL BRING IT UP

Make it personal: Be honest about your feelings and why this is important to you.

Be persistent, but keep it positive: Tell them you care about their health, and focus on the benefits that come from knowing that you have health insurance.

STEP 3: CONVERSATION TIPS

Start by asking: “Have you thought about signing up for health insurance on the new marketplace?”

Offer to walk them through it: “Would you like to take some time with me to sign up right now?”

Ask them to make a plan, and commit to it: “When do you plan on signing up?”

Don’t forget to follow up: “Have you signed up yet?”

STEP 4: PLEDGE TO HAVE THE TALK

Make a pledge to have a conversation with your family about health insurance this holiday season.

[enter your e-mail address here!]

 

Makes you wonder who writes this stuff? I wonder if it was these ladies?

[puniraptor]

http://home.roadrunner.com/~pjrpole/ACA.html

this just got forwarded to me at work

Click apply now and see how messed up the website is

[Stupid Fitz]

Just skimming through and saw the argument about the word "free".  I don't think anyone is against free healthcare.  That would be stupid.