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Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #3350 on:** December 17, 2018, 03:33:30 PM »

Medicare/Medicaid is a single payer system, and the one they would use on the country. I don't know how you dipshits don't recognize that. Your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) protesting libtards carry around "medicaid for all" signs, for god's sake.

If you honestly think the government, after passing the ACA (a = affordable), and after the aca drove up costs and reduced coverage, will make health care better and more affordable, you are legit insane.

Spracne · « **Reply #3351 on:** December 17, 2018, 03:58:56 PM »

I don't think I've ever heard someone advocate for "Medicaid For All." You realize that Medicaid and Medicare are different programs, right?

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Kat Kid · « **Reply #3352 on:** December 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM »

The obvious reason he is taking pains to conflate Medicaid and Medicare is that Medicare is incredibly popular, universal (for its population) and has large bargaining power to negotiate reimbursement rates, whereas Medicaid is means tested and sabotaged at every end by states that want to undermine it and because of all of the burdensome work requirements and paper pushing to dissuade people from applying and keeping it has lots more overhead and is rightly regarded as inferior to the coverage provided by Medicare.

Phil Titola · « **Reply #3353 on:** December 17, 2018, 04:24:59 PM »

I for one trust the insurance companies raising rates as all the evidence I need that a single payer system won't ever work....

wetwillie · « **Reply #3354 on:** December 17, 2018, 04:35:10 PM »

Health insurance being tied to your employer is ‘legit insane’

chum1 · « **Reply #3355 on:** December 17, 2018, 05:33:27 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on December 17, 2018, 04:35:10 PM

Health insurance being tied to your employer is ‘legit insane’

Well, employers do have an interest in keeping employees healthy enough to work.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #3356 on:** December 17, 2018, 09:07:18 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on December 17, 2018, 03:58:56 PM

I don't think I've ever heard someone advocate for "Medicaid For All." You realize that Medicaid and Medicare are different programs, right?

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No, I thought they gave two names to the same program.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #3357 on:** December 17, 2018, 09:11:57 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on December 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM

The obvious reason he is taking pains to conflate Medicaid and Medicare is that Medicare is incredibly popular, universal (for its population) and has large bargaining power to negotiate reimbursement rates, whereas Medicaid is means tested and sabotaged at every end by states that want to undermine it and because of all of the burdensome work requirements and paper pushing to dissuade people from applying and keeping it has lots more overhead and is rightly regarded as inferior to the coverage provided by Medicare.

You know who hates both? Doctors and the people that rely on the programs. You know why? Because the reimbursement rates suck, so only shitty volume practice doctors accept those types of patients. You want to take a look into a future that involves a single payer system? Walk into a disgusting "free" clinic and take a number. Bring something to keep busy, you'll be there a while.

It blows my rough ridin' mind how ignorant people are on the "universal healthcare" topic.

catastrophe · « **Reply #3358 on:** December 17, 2018, 09:25:09 PM »

Have you been to a doctor’s office in Canada, Denmark, Finland, etc.? Are those what you’re describing?

wetwillie · « **Reply #3359 on:** December 17, 2018, 09:29:47 PM »

Regurgitate a decades old scare tactic, rinse repeat.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #3360 on:** December 17, 2018, 09:31:50 PM »

Have you?

Do you think those shitty nordic countries are our peers?

Have you been to the doc in Mexico?

Instead of living a danish fantasy, go to a free clinic in whatever city you live in, and ask yourself if that is really what you want instead. Because that is what you're gonna get, and it's going to cost you more money.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #3361 on:** December 17, 2018, 09:37:27 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on December 17, 2018, 04:35:10 PM

Health insurance being tied to your employer is ‘legit insane’

I agree with this. I think any service where the end user doesn't pay for its (or most of it) cost is ripe for abuse. That's why I think it's foolish to want to move from partial pay to no pay, particularly when the new payer (govt) has zero incentive to minimize costs.

How you can identify the problem, and propose a solution that would absolutely compound that problem is baffling. The cognitive ability of the single payer proponent is that of a person with an iq of 80.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #3362 on:** December 18, 2018, 11:24:33 AM »

I absolutely love price shopping dialysis for my grandma. The market model is the only way to have good competition and innovation in medicine.

LickNeckey · « **Reply #3363 on:** December 18, 2018, 11:43:25 AM »

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conservatives-obamacare-ruling-unconstitutional_us_5c17f636e4b08db990566f2b

Cire · « **Reply #3364 on:** January 14, 2019, 02:09:49 PM »

LMAO

Rand Paul is going to Canada to have surgery

8manpick · « **Reply #3365 on:** January 14, 2019, 04:49:26 PM »

I mean, he’s going to the one hernia specialization hospital in the world and paying cash. Seems perfectly libertarian to me.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #3366 on:** January 14, 2019, 05:43:55 PM »

Is this a procedure to fix something from when he was viciously attacked by his deranged liberal neighbor who lost his f’ing mind over trump?

Kat Kid · « **Reply #3367 on:** January 14, 2019, 06:01:43 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 14, 2019, 05:43:55 PM

Is this a procedure to fix something from when he was viciously attacked by his deranged liberal neighbor who lost his f’ing mind over trump?

it was some doctor butthurt about Rand's libertarian attitude toward the HOA.

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In making the case, Boucher’s lawyers filed a 10-page memo that outlined the alleged events leading up to the ambush on Paul while he was doing yard work. They want to reiterate that the assault stemmed from a neighborly dispute, not a political fight. Paul’s neighbor claims the whole thing began with an “unsightly” pile of yard debris that he kept hauling away and even tried to incinerate — and that the lawmaker allegedly kept rebuilding.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #3368 on:** January 28, 2019, 08:30:06 AM »

https://www.studyfinds.org/survey-half-doctors-consider-leaving-medicine-insurance-company-headaches/

star seed 7 · « **Reply #3369 on:** January 28, 2019, 08:39:32 AM »

I agree with dax that medical insurance companies are immoral and should be removed from the equation

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #3370 on:** January 28, 2019, 08:44:35 AM »

Once upon a time I worked a short while for a government agency trying to do insurance. The GAO suggested it be shut down in 5 or 6 successive reports.

Phil Titola · « **Reply #3371 on:** January 28, 2019, 09:06:09 AM »

Take this to the reaching across the aisle thread. Everybody agress dax!

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #3372 on:** January 28, 2019, 10:20:58 AM »

Quote from: Phil Titola on January 28, 2019, 09:06:09 AM

Take this to the reaching across the aisle thread. Everybody agress dax!

Phil you’ve just been really shitty lately. More than usual.

Phil Titola · « **Reply #3373 on:** January 28, 2019, 10:49:28 AM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2019, 10:20:58 AM

Quote from: Phil Titola on January 28, 2019, 09:06:09 AM
Take this to the reaching across the aisle thread. Everybody agress dax!

Phil you’ve just been really shitty lately. More than usual.

Acknowledging we all agree is being shitty? Sorry dax.

K-S-U-Wildcats! · « **Reply #3374 on:** January 28, 2019, 11:00:52 AM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on December 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM

The obvious reason he is taking pains to conflate Medicaid and Medicare is that Medicare is incredibly popular, universal (for its population) and has large bargaining power to negotiate reimbursement rates, whereas Medicaid is means tested and sabotaged at every end by states that want to undermine it and because of all of the burdensome work requirements and paper pushing to dissuade people from applying and keeping it has lots more overhead and is rightly regarded as inferior to the coverage provided by Medicare.

You realize this is exactly why liberal politicians are careful to call it "Medicare for All"? Let me ask you, what do you think a single-payer system (one that doesn't cost us $20 trillion over the next 10 years) would actually look like - Medicare or Medicaid? I think you know the answer.