"Obamacare"

[Kat Kid]

If we've learned anything, it is that Democrats passing a Heritage Foundation/RomneyCare plan was a disastrous miscalculation of the benefits of compromise and process in our political landscape.

At this point, I hope the Democratic leadership gets primary'd. Medicare for All or hit the bricks Pelosi.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Yes, the democrats are a disaster and should not be elected ever. Fortunately they're spiralling towards a fringy ultra-left neo-fascist nonexistence.

[treysolid]

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/860229551619801088

I would say it is laughable to challenge the constitutionality of the legislature's power to allocate federal tax dollars by statute, but it seems you kind a lunatic district court judge to give you any ruling you want these days. Doesn't this dude know that sorts of cases should be brought in the 9th circuit?

He's going to lose, but he's really just trying to fire up his base. Kobach does the same thing in Kansas.

In all seriousness, I cannot say with any confidence that he will lose at the district level if he draws an Obama appointee. There is really no ruling too absurd. I did get a chuckle out of the "cruel and unconstitutional attack on women's rights" - I guess that means abortion and forcing nuns to buy insurance with birth control coverage.

When you go to a buffet, do your complain that you shouldn't have to pay the full price because you didn't eat the tater tots?

I think the proper anaolgy is, if you're allergic to MSG, should the government have the power to force you to eat at a Chinese buffet or else pay a penalty? The Little Sisters case was about the conflict between religious freedom and the (already constitutionally dubious) government mandate to buy something.

no. in your analogy, every medical procedure requires mandated implementation of birth control. you do realize that buying health insurance that covers birth control and buying birth control are two very different things, right? no one is holding down sister mary and forcing her to swallow birth control pills.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

That's why a buffet is $13 for piles of slop. Great analogy.

[treysolid]

That's why a buffet is $13 for piles of slop. Great analogy.

T&Ps re: your buffet situation. The lunch buffet at the Indian spot near me is rough ridin' heavenly.

[Phil Titola]

I'm to the point that I no longer care about the short- and medium-term costs. We need a comprehensive, full-fledged, (expensive), redesign of the entire healthcare delivery system. I realize political realities make that vision seem nearly impossible to attain. But in my America, "impossible" is just an excuse. Let's do it, everybody. I'm 100% behind this, as long as I still get to keep my Cadillac plan.

 

  

Senate says they will do this....I don't believe them but hopeful.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/860229551619801088

I would say it is laughable to challenge the constitutionality of the legislature's power to allocate federal tax dollars by statute, but it seems you kind a lunatic district court judge to give you any ruling you want these days. Doesn't this dude know that sorts of cases should be brought in the 9th circuit?

He's going to lose, but he's really just trying to fire up his base. Kobach does the same thing in Kansas.

In all seriousness, I cannot say with any confidence that he will lose at the district level if he draws an Obama appointee. There is really no ruling too absurd. I did get a chuckle out of the "cruel and unconstitutional attack on women's rights" - I guess that means abortion and forcing nuns to buy insurance with birth control coverage.

When you go to a buffet, do your complain that you shouldn't have to pay the full price because you didn't eat the tater tots?

I think the proper anaolgy is, if you're allergic to MSG, should the government have the power to force you to eat at a Chinese buffet or else pay a penalty? The Little Sisters case was about the conflict between religious freedom and the (already constitutionally dubious) government mandate to buy something.

no. in your analogy, every medical procedure requires mandated implementation of birth control. you do realize that buying health insurance that covers birth control and buying birth control are two very different things, right? no one is holding down sister mary and forcing her to swallow birth control pills.

I take your point, but you're missing mine. The problem is government compulsion. The nuns shouldn't be forced to eat at the buffet, period, if they disagree with something the buffet is serving or otherwise don't like the restaurant. You're saying "you've gotta eat at this buffet, you just don't have eat that dish." I'm saying who the fed are you to force her to eat there period? When did liberals stop caring about freedom?

[kim carnes]

Bc everyone will require healthcare at some point.  there needs to be a mechanism to pay for that care.   People should not be allowed to be uninsured.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Bc everyone will require healthcare at some point.  there needs to be a mechanism to pay for that care.   People should not be allowed to be uninsured.

They didn't have a problem with that. They had a problem paying for something they neither needed nor morally agreed with.

[kim carnes]

Bc everyone will require healthcare at some point.  there needs to be a mechanism to pay for that care.   People should not be allowed to be uninsured.

They didn't have a problem with that. They had a problem paying for something they neither needed nor morally agreed with.

Apparently they don't understand how health insurance works

[renocat]

Don't need health insurance according to drudge.  Eat boogers.  Healthy guts and teeth is the outcome.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/860229551619801088

I would say it is laughable to challenge the constitutionality of the legislature's power to allocate federal tax dollars by statute, but it seems you kind a lunatic district court judge to give you any ruling you want these days. Doesn't this dude know that sorts of cases should be brought in the 9th circuit?

He's going to lose, but he's really just trying to fire up his base. Kobach does the same thing in Kansas.

In all seriousness, I cannot say with any confidence that he will lose at the district level if he draws an Obama appointee. There is really no ruling too absurd. I did get a chuckle out of the "cruel and unconstitutional attack on women's rights" - I guess that means abortion and forcing nuns to buy insurance with birth control coverage.

When you go to a buffet, do your complain that you shouldn't have to pay the full price because you didn't eat the tater tots?

I think the proper anaolgy is, if you're allergic to MSG, should the government have the power to force you to eat at a Chinese buffet or else pay a penalty? The Little Sisters case was about the conflict between religious freedom and the (already constitutionally dubious) government mandate to buy something.

no. in your analogy, every medical procedure requires mandated implementation of birth control. you do realize that buying health insurance that covers birth control and buying birth control are two very different things, right? no one is holding down sister mary and forcing her to swallow birth control pills.

I take your point, but you're missing mine. The problem is government compulsion. The nuns shouldn't be forced to eat at the buffet, period, if they disagree with something the buffet is serving or otherwise don't like the restaurant. You're saying "you've gotta eat at this buffet, you just don't have eat that dish." I'm saying who the fed are you to force her to eat there period? When did liberals stop caring about freedom?

And, you have to pay a premium for all this disgusting over priced slop that you wouldn't ever eat, so these disgusting obese cigarette smoking assholes can have some for free.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Don't need health insurance according to drudge.  Eat boogers.  Healthy guts and teeth is the outcome.

There was plenty of health insurance that didn't include coverage for birth control. Until Obamacare.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If we've learned anything, it is that Democrats passing a Heritage Foundation/RomneyCare plan was a disastrous miscalculation of the benefits of compromise and process in our political landscape.

At this point, I hope the Democratic leadership gets primary'd. Medicare for All or hit the bricks Pelosi.

I've never understood why any intelligent person would want to be on Medicaid themselves, let alone force the entire country onto it. Are liberals so obsessed with equality of outcome that they're fine with equally shitty?

[Kat Kid]

If we've learned anything, it is that Democrats passing a Heritage Foundation/RomneyCare plan was a disastrous miscalculation of the benefits of compromise and process in our political landscape.

At this point, I hope the Democratic leadership gets primary'd. Medicare for All or hit the bricks Pelosi.

I've never understood why any intelligent person would want to be on Medicaid themselves, let alone force the entire country onto it. Are liberals so obsessed with equality of outcome that they're fine with equally shitty?

Do you think that the pre-Obamacare United States was the only successful model of health care in the world?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Cue the some 6 million person all white european country where people can barely afford food has a great state healthcare system albatross.

[Dugout DickStone]

Do the nuns get pissed if viagra is covered?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If we've learned anything, it is that Democrats passing a Heritage Foundation/RomneyCare plan was a disastrous miscalculation of the benefits of compromise and process in our political landscape.

At this point, I hope the Democratic leadership gets primary'd. Medicare for All or hit the bricks Pelosi.

I've never understood why any intelligent person would want to be on Medicaid themselves, let alone force the entire country onto it. Are liberals so obsessed with equality of outcome that they're fine with equally shitty?

Do you think that the pre-Obamacare United States was the only successful model of health care in the world?

I would not describe pre-Obamacare US HC as "successful." Obamacare just took existing problems, chiefly the over-reliance upon health insurance as our HC delivery model, and put them on steroids.

[treysolid]

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/860229551619801088

I would say it is laughable to challenge the constitutionality of the legislature's power to allocate federal tax dollars by statute, but it seems you kind a lunatic district court judge to give you any ruling you want these days. Doesn't this dude know that sorts of cases should be brought in the 9th circuit?

He's going to lose, but he's really just trying to fire up his base. Kobach does the same thing in Kansas.

In all seriousness, I cannot say with any confidence that he will lose at the district level if he draws an Obama appointee. There is really no ruling too absurd. I did get a chuckle out of the "cruel and unconstitutional attack on women's rights" - I guess that means abortion and forcing nuns to buy insurance with birth control coverage.

When you go to a buffet, do your complain that you shouldn't have to pay the full price because you didn't eat the tater tots?

I think the proper anaolgy is, if you're allergic to MSG, should the government have the power to force you to eat at a Chinese buffet or else pay a penalty? The Little Sisters case was about the conflict between religious freedom and the (already constitutionally dubious) government mandate to buy something.

no. in your analogy, every medical procedure requires mandated implementation of birth control. you do realize that buying health insurance that covers birth control and buying birth control are two very different things, right? no one is holding down sister mary and forcing her to swallow birth control pills.

I take your point, but you're missing mine. The problem is government compulsion. The nuns shouldn't be forced to eat at the buffet, period, if they disagree with something the buffet is serving or otherwise don't like the restaurant. You're saying "you've gotta eat at this buffet, you just don't have eat that dish." I'm saying who the fed are you to force her to eat there period? When did liberals stop caring about freedom?

And, you have to pay a premium for all this disgusting over priced slop that you wouldn't ever eat, so these disgusting obese cigarette smoking assholes can have some for free.

poor people are disgusting and it's their fault they are poor and disgusting. got it.

[treysolid]

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/860229551619801088

I would say it is laughable to challenge the constitutionality of the legislature's power to allocate federal tax dollars by statute, but it seems you kind a lunatic district court judge to give you any ruling you want these days. Doesn't this dude know that sorts of cases should be brought in the 9th circuit?

He's going to lose, but he's really just trying to fire up his base. Kobach does the same thing in Kansas.

In all seriousness, I cannot say with any confidence that he will lose at the district level if he draws an Obama appointee. There is really no ruling too absurd. I did get a chuckle out of the "cruel and unconstitutional attack on women's rights" - I guess that means abortion and forcing nuns to buy insurance with birth control coverage.

When you go to a buffet, do your complain that you shouldn't have to pay the full price because you didn't eat the tater tots?

I think the proper anaolgy is, if you're allergic to MSG, should the government have the power to force you to eat at a Chinese buffet or else pay a penalty? The Little Sisters case was about the conflict between religious freedom and the (already constitutionally dubious) government mandate to buy something.

no. in your analogy, every medical procedure requires mandated implementation of birth control. you do realize that buying health insurance that covers birth control and buying birth control are two very different things, right? no one is holding down sister mary and forcing her to swallow birth control pills.

I take your point, but you're missing mine. The problem is government compulsion. The nuns shouldn't be forced to eat at the buffet, period, if they disagree with something the buffet is serving or otherwise don't like the restaurant. You're saying "you've gotta eat at this buffet, you just don't have eat that dish." I'm saying who the fed are you to force her to eat there period? When did liberals stop caring about freedom?

No, I get what you are saying - I just don't think it's a valid point. The gov't compels me to pay taxes specifically for the school districts that I live in, and yet I don't have any kids. But I think that it's better that those schools are well-funded instead of the alternative, so I don't complain. I view healthcare the same way. Just because I don't need a particular service doesn't mean that I don't reap the benefits of living in a society where that service is offered.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Basically everything I've been saying, but this time it's in the NYT so maybe liberals will be convinced.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/opinion/what-the-republican-health-plan-gets-right.html

[Dugout DickStone]

I have elderly relatives who go to the doctor because they are bored.  Like 3-4 times a week.  How to stop that?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/860229551619801088

I would say it is laughable to challenge the constitutionality of the legislature's power to allocate federal tax dollars by statute, but it seems you kind a lunatic district court judge to give you any ruling you want these days. Doesn't this dude know that sorts of cases should be brought in the 9th circuit?

He's going to lose, but he's really just trying to fire up his base. Kobach does the same thing in Kansas.

In all seriousness, I cannot say with any confidence that he will lose at the district level if he draws an Obama appointee. There is really no ruling too absurd. I did get a chuckle out of the "cruel and unconstitutional attack on women's rights" - I guess that means abortion and forcing nuns to buy insurance with birth control coverage.

When you go to a buffet, do your complain that you shouldn't have to pay the full price because you didn't eat the tater tots?

I think the proper anaolgy is, if you're allergic to MSG, should the government have the power to force you to eat at a Chinese buffet or else pay a penalty? The Little Sisters case was about the conflict between religious freedom and the (already constitutionally dubious) government mandate to buy something.

no. in your analogy, every medical procedure requires mandated implementation of birth control. you do realize that buying health insurance that covers birth control and buying birth control are two very different things, right? no one is holding down sister mary and forcing her to swallow birth control pills.

I take your point, but you're missing mine. The problem is government compulsion. The nuns shouldn't be forced to eat at the buffet, period, if they disagree with something the buffet is serving or otherwise don't like the restaurant. You're saying "you've gotta eat at this buffet, you just don't have eat that dish." I'm saying who the fed are you to force her to eat there period? When did liberals stop caring about freedom?

No, I get what you are saying - I just don't think it's a valid point. The gov't compels me to pay taxes specifically for the school districts that I live in, and yet I don't have any kids. But I think that it's better that those schools are well-funded instead of the alternative, so I don't complain. I view healthcare the same way. Just because I don't need a particular service doesn't mean that I don't reap the benefits of living in a society where that service is offered.

Oooh, let me see if I can do this right. I don't want to subsidize unhealthy people's gross lifestyle so I hat poors, and you don't want to pay for public schools so you obviously hate children (you support the party of baby killers, so obv)

[Rage Against the McKee]

I have elderly relatives who go to the doctor because they are bored.  Like 3-4 times a week.  How to stop that?

Death panels

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I have elderly relatives who go to the doctor because they are bored.  Like 3-4 times a week.  How to stop that?

Death panels

Medicare is desperately in need of reform and probably the single biggest driver of our deficits. People tend to use more of something, even if they don't really need it, when it is "Free." You solve that by gradually converting Medicare into a voucher aka "premium support" program that still provides a generous subsidy but isn't unlimited. Serious policy people generally support this plan. Democrats see an opportunity to score political points so it has very little chance of happening.