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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2150 on: June 02, 2015, 08:15:14 PM »
as much as they need

Who decides how much they "need" and more importantly, how soon they need it?

who decides now?
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2151 on: June 02, 2015, 08:23:44 PM »
Over the past 5 years, I've gone from the right, to the middle, and now to the left on this issue.  Hey KSUW, If you're so concerned about the cost of your premiums, maybe you should just work a little harder or be a little more talented so that you'll make more money.

You could apply that "from each according to their ability" socialist mentality to any number of things. It's still socialism.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2152 on: June 02, 2015, 08:30:51 PM »
Over the past 5 years, I've gone from the right, to the middle, and now to the left on this issue.  Hey KSUW, If you're so concerned about the cost of your premiums, maybe you should just work a little harder or be a little more talented so that you'll make more money.

You could apply that "from each according to their ability" socialist mentality to any number of things. It's still socialism.

That's pretty funny, since I was mimicking popular right-wing logic in my post.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2153 on: June 02, 2015, 08:50:25 PM »
it takes a truly evil-hearted person to be pro health insurance

I'm far from "pro health insurance." I'm pro people buying routine medical care out pocket with transparent pricing and only using insurance the way any other insurance is actually used. Obamacare puts the insurance carriers on steroids, and then we all pay for the rise in premiums. Some of you really have no idea how this works.
Do you think someone without money should be refused even affordable healthcare?

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« Reply #2154 on: June 02, 2015, 08:51:40 PM »
Over the past 5 years, I've gone from the right, to the middle, and now to the left on this issue.  Hey KSUW, If you're so concerned about the cost of your premiums, maybe you should just work a little harder or be a little more talented so that you'll make more money.

You could apply that "from each according to their ability" socialist mentality to any number of things. It's still socialism.

That's pretty funny, since I was mimicking popular right-wing logic in my post.

You didn't do a very good job of it. Conservatives believe people can improve their lives, and their families' well being, through hard work. They don't believe you should have to work harder to pay somebody else's way.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #2155 on: June 02, 2015, 08:53:29 PM »
it takes a truly evil-hearted person to be pro health insurance

I'm far from "pro health insurance." I'm pro people buying routine medical care out pocket with transparent pricing and only using insurance the way any other insurance is actually used. Obamacare puts the insurance carriers on steroids, and then we all pay for the rise in premiums. Some of you really have no idea how this works.
Do you think someone without money should be refused even affordable healthcare?

I think they should receive the life-saving care already mandated by law prior to Obamacare. And a big fat bill.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2156 on: June 02, 2015, 09:04:37 PM »
Then they don't or can't pay and the costs are transferred where?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2157 on: June 02, 2015, 09:06:22 PM »
"Rights" don't cost money.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2158 on: June 02, 2015, 09:07:19 PM »
"Rights" don't cost money.

glad to see you're coming to the correct side of the issue
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« Reply #2159 on: June 02, 2015, 09:08:45 PM »
"Rights" don't cost money.
Ya seen the price of a can of 5.56 these days, pardner?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2160 on: June 02, 2015, 09:12:37 PM »
Freedom, the most important right of all, isn't free. Everybody knows that.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2161 on: June 02, 2015, 09:13:22 PM »
What about the right to an attorney? Is that free?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2162 on: June 02, 2015, 09:14:08 PM »
A trial by a jury of my peers? No per diem?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2163 on: June 02, 2015, 09:22:40 PM »
Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but I think life is an inalienable right.

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« Reply #2164 on: June 02, 2015, 09:29:58 PM »
sorry poor kids, you don't get to go to school, this ain't no rough ridin' socialist paradise
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2165 on: June 02, 2015, 09:49:05 PM »
it takes a truly evil-hearted person to be pro health insurance

I'm far from "pro health insurance." I'm pro people buying routine medical care out pocket with transparent pricing and only using insurance the way any other insurance is actually used. Obamacare puts the insurance carriers on steroids, and then we all pay for the rise in premiums. Some of you really have no idea how this works.
Do you think someone without money should be refused even affordable healthcare?

I think they should receive the life-saving care already mandated by law prior to Obamacare. And a big fat bill.

Sounds like you want people who have chronic conditions to die because they can't pay for drug therapies. 

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2166 on: June 02, 2015, 09:50:53 PM »
*Meant to say suffer and then die.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2167 on: June 02, 2015, 10:03:56 PM »
I oppose keeping poor people alive because I am terrified of global warming and desire a more enlightened society.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2168 on: June 02, 2015, 10:14:39 PM »
Affordable health care is a misnomer. Health insurance is not a human right, it's a financial instrument meant to mitigate against catastrophic events. To say everyone is entitled to "free" healthcare is to say everyone is entitled to food and shelter and water and education.  All of these things are already readily available and more or less provided by our society free of cost to the lowest common denominator. The problem is the overwhelming majority of the lowest common denominator flat our refuses to accept and enrich themselves with these gifts of society, and no matter how the gift is packaged, nothing changes.

So, you can act like a thoughtless idiot and pretend you're a better person for saying "healthcare is a human right", or you can critically think, identify a problem and work towards a solution that actually betters society. Libtardedness is a religion full of indoctrinated lemmings, they are serial enablers or a serious societal problem.

Let us not overlook the fact that none of these "free" "human rights" can be paid for other than by promising the income of an unborn generation.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2169 on: June 02, 2015, 10:16:45 PM »
Let's fix it, together!

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2170 on: June 02, 2015, 10:19:05 PM »
being pro health insurance is such a weirdo stance
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2171 on: June 02, 2015, 10:20:39 PM »
Idea one: change from charging for treatments to charging for outcomes. Healthcare providers are paid a certain amount to maintain a persons health and they pay out refunds for each medical problem!

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« Reply #2172 on: June 02, 2015, 10:21:32 PM »
i think there's an obvious flaw with that puni
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« Reply #2173 on: June 02, 2015, 10:23:17 PM »
i think there's an obvious flaw with that puni
Is it fixable?

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« Reply #2174 on: June 02, 2015, 10:23:49 PM »
probably not.  idea 2?
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